<<04-01-2013>>

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01:39:19	reactormonk	Araq, anywhere nice to announce? https://github.com/Tass/nimrod-mode it barely works.
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08:36:23	Araq_	reactormonk: announce on the forum?
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14:27:57	reactormonk	oke
14:36:26	AlexLibman	Last night's BigBangTheory taught me that all the cereal product mascots are male. What about FLOSS mascots?
14:36:59	*	AlexLibman proposes Shimrod, the hot female Nimrod mascot.
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14:49:29	reactormonk	Does anyone have a Mac in here?
14:50:08	reactormonk	with homebrew
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15:30:51	gradha	reactormonk: mac here, no homebrow, only macports
15:33:01	gradha	shimrod sounds wrong for a female, I associate shim with "placeholder", and rod could be anything
15:33:42	gradha	OTOH my mind has been perverted with rule 34, so you shouldn't take serious advice from me
15:34:43	reactormonk	gradha, considered writing a brew recipe so I can file a bug about autocomplete
15:43:49	reactormonk	gradha, is there a port for nimrod?
15:45:09	gradha	why would you want that? aren't ports only for software otherwise not available?
15:46:19	gradha	$ port search nimrod
15:46:19	gradha	No match for nimrod found
15:59:49	reactormonk	gradha, is nimrod otherwise available?
16:00:56	gradha	sure, you go to github and get it
16:01:12	gradha	I guess it's convenient to have it as a port/homebrew
16:01:33	gradha	but I only use ports for software which is a pain to compile or for which no direct binaries are offered, like gimp
16:03:11	gradha	does brew force you system upgrades when something is updated?
16:03:48	gradha	that's what I hate from systems like apt-get or macports, you want a piece of new software and it forces a recompile of everything else
16:03:53	reactormonk	https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/blob/master/Library/Formula/nimrod.rb hmm
16:04:07	reactormonk	gradha, well, apt-get doesn't force a recompile :>
16:04:31	gradha	true, apt-get is worse, can leave your system in a non working state!
16:04:40	gradha	at least when source doesn't compile you still have the previous binary
16:05:13	reactormonk	I never had to compile anything with apt-get
16:05:23	reactormonk	in case of inconsistent state, go with the nix package manager.
16:06:04	gradha	how come nimrod works for you under mac? The git version crashes randomly unless I tell it to compile with clang rather than gcc
16:06:36	gradha	nix sounds really nice
16:07:09	reactormonk	gradha, I don't
16:07:35	reactormonk	That's why I was asking for someone to try out my recipe :-)
16:10:56	dom96	someone should update the url in https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/blob/master/Library/Formula/nimrod.rb
16:11:33	dom96	also version 0.9.0 :)
16:12:27	gradha	so apparently this brew thingy is for developers, what's so good about it?
16:13:36	reactormonk	no idea.
16:13:44	reactormonk	dom96, just sent a pull request
16:14:29	dom96	awesome
16:15:53	gradha	"Developers often understand C++ far better than they understand make syntax" well that's an interesting thought
16:16:39	dom96	That's so true.
16:20:49	gradha	lib/pure/encodings.nim uses dynlib to load libconv, doesn't that disqualify the module as pure?
16:21:31	dom96	yes, pretty much all modules in lib/pure are in fact not 'pure' in that sense
16:21:43	dom96	I had a talk with Araq about this a long time ago.
16:22:16	dom96	The distinction is somewhat vague currently.
16:22:44	gradha	AFAICS pure means "it works out of the box on supported platforms"
16:22:58	gradha	the impure modules requiring 3rd party libs
16:23:03	dom96	I see.
16:23:17	dom96	Yeah, that's what it means.
16:23:40	dom96	But isn't iconv standard POSIX?
16:24:21	gradha	no idea, have always used other libs for unicode stuff
16:24:45	gradha	either libc provided or frameworks which wrapped their own
16:26:45	dom96	hrm, perhaps you are correct.
16:27:43	dom96	but on windows it uses the Windows API. On linux it either uses libc or libiconv
16:28:08	dom96	What is the 'pure' way to do this on a Mac?
16:29:33	gradha	I guess libiconv too
16:29:49	dom96	well then... :P
16:29:50	gradha	though most mac people probably use Cocoa wrappers hidding the C interface
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16:33:17	dom96	hello btbytes
16:33:23	btbytes	hi
16:33:54	dom96	welcome to #nimrod!
16:34:03	btbytes	i've been following nimrod for a while and wanted to check in ..
16:34:27	dom96	awesome.
16:35:12	btbytes	mostly happy reading nimrod tutorials and forum posts. haven't been using nimrod anything "real" yet.
16:35:28	btbytes	i really liked reading the source of your jester library
16:35:50	dom96	Thanks. I hope it's not too much of a mess heh.
16:37:19	dom96	Nice to hear that there are people we don't know about following Nimrod. Makes me think how many other people there are.
16:38:38	dom96	So are you planning on using nimrod for something real now, or are you just curious what's happening in the IRC channel?
16:39:11	btbytes	just curious about the irc channel for now.
16:39:26	btbytes	i've been doing python for too long for a new language to take over easily :)
16:39:55	btbytes	but attempting new things in a unfamiliar domain like 2d games might be a good way to explore nimrod
16:39:56	dom96	I actually switched from Python to Nimrod :)
16:40:10	btbytes	and i see quite a few libs about graphics in nimrod already.
16:40:32	dom96	indeed. There is nimgame, sfml bindings, sdl bindings and a graphics module in the stdlib.
16:40:40	btbytes	yeah, except the pascal-ish forward declarations, i feel quite at home.
16:41:10	dom96	IIRC work is being done to remove the need for those.
16:41:27	dom96	So hopefully you will feel even more at home :D
16:46:16	reactormonk	btbytes, emacs?
16:46:34	btbytes	yeah, mostly.
16:50:05	reactormonk	btbytes, https://github.com/Tass/nimrod-mode with completion.
16:53:18	btbytes	nice! i'll give it a try.
16:53:42	dom96	reactormonk: btw when you announce it on the forum, remember to add your screenshot in. It looks great.
16:54:40	reactormonk	dom96, just a bit buggy in my setup, works fine with emacs -q - I'll debug that first
16:54:55	dom96	alright
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19:52:28	reactormonk	Araq, how come stdin.a| proposes array?
20:43:12	Araq	reactormonk: I with I knew :P
20:43:16	reactormonk	dom96, ... and some other bugs
20:43:22	reactormonk	Araq, meh.
20:43:51	*	Araq really needs to work on bugfixes again ...
20:43:55	reactormonk	Araq, http://sprunge.us/BjZe + nimrod idetools --track:/tmp/foo.nim,2,20 --suggest /tmp/foo.nim
20:47:42	Araq	I think it suggests 'array' because you may want to convert 'stdin' to an array
20:47:56	Araq	well not really but the type checking in 'suggest' is fuzzy for your own good :P
20:48:00	Araq	brb
20:52:30	reactormonk	fixed one \o/
20:53:07	dom96	reactormonk: Are you fixing bugs in the compiler or just your emacs script?
20:53:12	reactormonk	dom96, elisp
20:53:21	dom96	ahh
20:53:43	reactormonk	wtf, this produces like 10 calls/s to nimrod ^^
20:54:01	reactormonk	let's see if it works with the aporia sources.
20:54:08	dom96	lol
20:54:36	*	dom96 guesses it will be a lot slower
20:54:47	dom96	Because the whole gtk is imported
20:55:23	reactormonk	it errors out ^^
20:59:39	reactormonk	-track:/tmp/nimrod-suggest13695gdP/aporia.nim,308,10 --include:/home/tass/dev/nimrod/Aporia/ --suggest /home/tass/dev/nimrod/Aporia/aporia.nimrod.nim)
20:59:42	reactormonk	progn: End of buf
20:59:47	reactormonk	... find the error
21:00:22	dom96	aporia.nimrod.nim seems wrong :P
21:00:48	reactormonk	no shit sherlock
21:03:14	Araq	btw reactormonk 'accumulateResult' doesn't do what you think it does
21:03:27	Araq	I think I told you before :P
21:03:35	reactormonk	Araq, that's likely
21:03:50	Araq	you know, you could grep for it to see what it does
21:04:03	reactormonk	or ask my emacs once I'm there
21:04:17	Araq	oh yeah
21:04:22	reactormonk	idetools --stdout --track:/tmp/nimrod-suggest13695VOj/aporia.nim,308,6 --include:/home/tass/dev/nimrod/Aporia/ --suggest /home/tass/dev/nimrod/Aporia/aporia.nim
21:04:29	reactormonk	what's wrong here?
21:04:32	Araq	I was about to ask: HTML or Text for the documentation?
21:04:35	reactormonk	no suggestions at all
21:04:51	reactormonk	Araq, via flag, default text
21:05:11	Araq	so it's escaped text ... fine
21:05:46	Araq	reactormonk: sometimes 'suggest' doesn't suggest anything ... -.-
21:08:45	reactormonk	Araq, indeed
21:08:54	reactormonk	Araq, tried two places in the aporia sources, no response.
21:09:21	Araq	that could also be a long operation
21:09:38	Araq	as it's likely it suggest everything in gtk to you ...
21:09:56	reactormonk	I call idetools sync, nothing.
21:11:40	Araq	I'll take a look later, bbl
21:12:32	dom96	hey, don't "no shit sherlock" me.
21:15:18	reactormonk	I really should take out the reverse question mark for rethoric questions, sorry buddy.
21:16:27	dom96	no prob.
21:16:46	reactormonk	dom96, let's see what else idetools can provide - did you do the fun with def too?
21:17:06	dom96	reactormonk: yep. def works very well I think.
21:18:30	dom96	Not fast enough for my tastes though.
21:18:47	reactormonk	dom96, ~0.1s
21:19:03	dom96	reactormonk: Have you tried it in aporia's sources?
21:20:30	reactormonk	0.72s
21:20:38	reactormonk	:-/
21:20:59	reactormonk	Araq, too slow!
21:54:37	NimBot	nimrod-code/nimbuild 62ade48 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Added new deleteOutgoing config param.
21:54:37	NimBot	nimrod-code/nimbuild fd37bb2 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Fixed C source generation.