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| 02:19:21 | girvo | hey all |
| 02:20:26 | def- | hi girvo |
| 02:20:34 | girvo | quick q: what build systems are people using for larger projects? |
| 02:20:40 | girvo | hey def- :) |
| 02:20:44 | girvo | long time no see |
| 02:23:46 | girvo | i'm tossing up between meson and cmake, basically, and using the compile-to-c-but-don't-link system to let the build system handle the final compilation, but I'm struggling a little heh |
| 02:28:11 | def- | what's wrong with just using the nim compiler and nimble? |
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| 02:36:03 | girvo | def-: they're brilliant, but have no concept of dealing with external shared libraries, which is completely to be expected of course! using cmake for example, one can ensure a dependency exists at build time for a given shared lib, which is extremely useful |
| 02:36:47 | girvo | basically, nim + nimble is brilliant for pure Nim projects, but once you rely on external c libraries they come up a bit short, which is again to be expected as that's not really their job! |
| 02:38:10 | def- | hm, right. there's this thread on the forum: http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/129/ |
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| 02:46:05 | def- | girvo: I think I'd rather supply passC and passL parameters to Nim instead of compiling the C files by hand |
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| 03:56:33 | OnwardEuler | ey guys, how do we stand on the whole "Game engine with nim" thing? Any projects that seem to be panning out? |
| 03:57:24 | OnwardEuler | I'm cleaning up an old c++ sdl project and thought it would be cool to port it to nim |
| 03:59:22 | def- | OnwardEuler: sdl2 and sfml wrappers should be in good shape, not sure about high level game engines |
| 04:01:09 | OnwardEuler | Yeah, the sdl wrapper is great! I have half a class written for glfw, I think I saw a nim-glfw project |
| 04:02:17 | OnwardEuler | There are a couple of projects on github, but none with a large codebase |
| 04:02:57 | OnwardEuler | Any tips/gotchas with porting c++ to nim? |
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| 04:48:10 | girvo | yeah, be careful with memory leaks when you cross the nim-c-type boundary ;) |
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| 05:14:44 | jamesp | Can operators be interpreted as anonymous functions in nim? |
| 05:18:30 | jamesp | for example, let what = [`$`] won't compile :/ |
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| 06:09:51 | Varriount | Araq: I'm here now, and will be on for another hour or so. |
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| 08:57:06 | matkuki | Hi guys, what is C's 'size_t' Nim equivalent? |
| 08:59:33 | matkuki | oh, csize. nevermind. |
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| 10:23:56 | gokr | OnwardEuler: I do presume you are aware of Urhonimo? |
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| 15:48:31 | EastByte | Why does the strutils join implementation only support string sequences/arrays? Wouldn't it be better to support any sequence using `$` ? |
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| 16:29:52 | gorgonzolapasta | [~/Nim-0.13.0]$ bin/nim e install_nimble.nims |
| 16:29:53 | gorgonzolapasta | lib/system/sysio.nim(62, 12) Error: IOFBF not ported to your platform |
| 16:30:30 | gorgonzolapasta | EastByte: da ^ |
| 16:33:15 | dom96 | gorgonzolapasta: What OS are you running? |
| 16:33:28 | def- | EastByte: maybe so that you're aware of when you have to convert to a string |
| 16:36:09 | gorgonzolapasta | dom96: OpenBSD |
| 16:36:25 | EastByte | def-: but converting a T sequence to string sequence requires an additional step |
| 16:36:30 | dom96 | gorgonzolapasta: please report it on Github |
| 16:36:54 | EastByte | is that really necessary if I wanted to unpack an int sequence for example? |
| 16:38:38 | def- | EastByte: hm yeah, could probably be extended |
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| 16:47:27 | def- | EastByte: just checked, the current version of join is optimized so it only needs to allocate the string once and never resize, that wouldn't work nicely with other types |
| 16:47:56 | EastByte | ah, I see |
| 16:48:23 | def- | give me a few min and I'll make a PR for a general version as well |
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| 16:58:18 | def- | EastByte: something like this: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/3946 |
| 17:00:52 | EastByte | yes |
| 17:01:38 | EastByte | interesting I haven't seen "T: not ..." before |
| 17:03:04 | def- | me neither, I just tried and it seemed to work :P |
| 17:03:14 | EastByte | haha |
| 17:03:48 | def- | I think maybe it should work with just [T] but right now that gives an ambiguity error |
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| 17:41:35 | federico3 | dom96: re https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/3648 can we detect is the symbol is available at compile time instead? |
| 17:55:28 | def- | federico3: that's difficult when you also want to be able to cross compile |
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| 18:30:26 | Varriount | Araq: Ping |
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| 19:00:55 | Varriount | Araq: You wanted to talk about something related to the Nimsuggest PR? |
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| 19:03:10 | matkuki | Does anybody know anything about the python wrapper? Why is the first field in 'TPyTypeObject' 'ob_size*: int '? |
| 19:08:05 | Varriount | matkuki:https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/1fe0fd9feb6a4472a9a1b186502eb9c0b2366326/Include/object.h#L92 |
| 19:10:11 | matkuki | Varriount: Can you elaborate, please? Why isn't it '#define PyObject_VAR_HEAD PyVarObject ob_base;' which would be 'ob_base*: PyVarObject'? |
| 19:10:12 | Varriount | If you look at that, and at the definition for PyTypeObject, you'll see that part of the struct is variably sized. |
| 19:13:20 | Varriount | matkuki: Design of the wrapper maybe? |
| 19:13:27 | Varriount | I'm not sure. |
| 19:14:54 | Varriount | matkuki: Could you give me a link to the Nim file with the relevant type? |
| 19:16:00 | matkuki | Varriount: https://github.com/nim-lang/python/blob/master/src/python.nim#L423 |
| 19:16:14 | matkuki | The 'PyObject_VAR_HEAD' macro is just a substitution, right? |
| 19:16:48 | Varriount | matkuki: Yeah, it declares a ob_base member wherever it's used. |
| 19:19:28 | Varriount | matkuki: It looks like the wrapper is embedding the members of the PyVarObject struct, rather than using the ob_base member |
| 19:19:47 | matkuki | Varriount: Any idea why? |
| 19:20:12 | Varriount | matkuki: Convenience possibly? I don't think it affects anything like memory layout, just semantics. |
| 19:20:38 | matkuki | No, it doesn't work if I use 'ob_base*: PyVarObject'! |
| 19:21:11 | matkuki | it only works with the first field ob_size*: PySizeT. |
| 19:21:21 | matkuki | or ob_size*: int |
| 19:21:42 | matkuki | and I have no idea why |
| 19:22:07 | Varriount | matkuki: The structure inherit from the base PyObject |
| 19:22:21 | Varriount | PyVarObject also inherits from the base PyObject. |
| 19:23:10 | Varriount | Thus you'll end up with a duplicate section of PyObject data, right after the first one. |
| 19:26:54 | matkuki | I'm looking at TPyObject and I'm still not getting it, a little more help please |
| 19:28:24 | matkuki | Varriount: what should I be looking at: https://bpaste.net/show/db302b0840cd |
| 19:35:38 | matkuki | Varriount: ping? |
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| 19:37:38 | Varriount | matkuki: Sorry, was vacuuming |
| 19:37:50 | matkuki | no problem, sorry |
| 19:38:20 | Varriount | matkuki: So, in Nim, when you inherit from a type, the parent type's contents essentially get inserted into the beginning of the child type definition. |
| 19:38:53 | Varriount | matkuki: TPyTypeObject inherits from TPyObj |
| 19:40:02 | Varriount | matkuki: In the C code, `PyObject_VAR_HEAD` basically declares a ob_base member of type PyVarBase |
| 19:41:01 | Varriount | Er, PyVarObject |
| 19:41:55 | Varriount | PyVarObject also has PyObject as its first member. |
| 19:42:52 | matkuki | Oh, I see! And PyVarObject has fields: ob_base and ob_size. And there is already a PyObject from inheritance in there! |
| 19:42:58 | Varriount | Yes. |
| 19:43:37 | matkuki | Thanks a bunch Varriount. I've been staring at this for more than an hour and didn't realize it. |
| 19:44:03 | Varriount | matkuki: It's an understandable mistake, and one I probably would've made. |
| 19:44:33 | matkuki | Thanks again! |
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| 19:48:41 | Varriount | matkuki: What are you doing with the python module? |
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| 19:57:46 | matkuki | Varriount: first project is scripting for a game, and the second is going to be a nim app that uses a HTTP server written in python for communication with a PLC |
| 19:57:47 | matkuki | and I don't have the time to rewrite it in Nim |
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| 20:39:49 | gorgonzolapasta | so anything i can do about openbsd and nim? :( |
| 20:43:18 | def- | gorgonzolapasta: fix the bugs probably. is it about the github issue? |
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| 20:44:38 | def- | gorgonzolapasta: IOFBF and IONBF are in lib/system/sysio.nim. if you can find out their values for OpenBSD, it should work |
| 20:45:17 | def- | gorgonzolapasta: about the httpclient import, that should work and sounds like a problem with the paths to the installation. did you set the PATH to the nim directory? |
| 20:46:49 | gorgonzolapasta | i did. the binary itself works, only no libs |
| 20:47:23 | def- | hm, strange |
| 20:47:31 | def- | i don't remember that happening last time i tested on OpenBSD |
| 20:48:09 | def- | gorgonzolapasta: `which nim` gives the right binary? |
| 20:49:35 | gorgonzolapasta | ok, it was one slash too much in there. thank you >.< |
| 20:50:02 | def- | where was the slash? it shouldn't fail because of a slash too much, should it? |
| 20:50:44 | gorgonzolapasta | /home/pasta/Nim/bin//nim |
| 20:50:55 | gorgonzolapasta | without it it works :) |
| 20:51:01 | def- | that sounds like a bug in Nim, let me see if I can fix it |
| 20:51:05 | def- | glad to hear it was such a simple issue |
| 20:51:18 | gorgonzolapasta | it is not |
| 20:51:23 | gorgonzolapasta | its part of an issue :/ |
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| 20:53:08 | def- | gorgonzolapasta: what's still wrong? |
| 20:53:16 | gorgonzolapasta | http://paste.gorgonzolapasta.eu/sSD/ |
| 20:53:53 | gorgonzolapasta | i am not sure, was this successful or not? |
| 20:54:36 | def- | no |
| 20:54:45 | def- | something seems wrong with the way paths are handled in BSD |
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| 20:54:57 | def- | it can't find nimscriptapi.nim in src/nimblepkg |
| 20:58:21 | gorgonzolapasta | ok |
| 20:58:24 | gorgonzolapasta | i understand |
| 20:58:32 | gorgonzolapasta | chmod +x is doing his job |
| 20:58:43 | gorgonzolapasta | only the IOthing left |
| 20:58:57 | def- | what had chmod +x to do with it? |
| 20:59:25 | def- | for the IOthing I would search in /usr/include for the actual values of IOFBF and IONBF |
| 21:00:53 | gorgonzolapasta | nothing, i am just unexperienced |
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| 21:02:00 | gorgonzolapasta | http://paste.gorgonzolapasta.eu/9wT/ |
| 21:03:17 | def- | great, so 0 and 2 should work on BSDs as well |
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| 21:04:33 | krux02 | I have an compile error in the generate c file |
| 21:04:54 | def- | krux02: then that's a bug, you can check on github if it's been reported already, otherwise report it |
| 21:05:11 | def- | or you're doing wrong casts |
| 21:05:56 | krux02 | ok the funny thing is, it works with one if branch |
| 21:06:11 | krux02 | if I repeat the same if branch under it, it doesn't anymore |
| 21:06:40 | krux02 | it is not a specific code that creates this bad behavior |
| 21:06:50 | krux02 | but I certanly do cast a lot in my code |
| 21:13:40 | matkuki | bye |
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| 21:17:02 | krux02 | if true: |
| 21:17:02 | krux02 | for vertex in memptr[Vec3f]( va.offset, hdr.num_vertexes ): |
| 21:17:02 | krux02 | echo vertex |
| 21:17:02 | krux02 | |
| 21:17:02 | krux02 | if true: |
| 21:17:03 | krux02 | for vertex in memptr[Vec3f]( va.offset, hdr.num_vertexes ): |
| 21:17:05 | krux02 | echo vertex |
| 21:17:09 | krux02 | this did not compile |
| 21:17:14 | krux02 | but this code did: |
| 21:17:31 | krux02 | if true: |
| 21:17:31 | krux02 | for vertex in memptr[Vec3f]( va.offset, hdr.num_vertexes ): |
| 21:17:31 | krux02 | echo vertex |
| 21:17:31 | krux02 | |
| 21:17:31 | krux02 | if true: |
| 21:17:32 | krux02 | for vertex in memptr[Vec2f]( va.offset, hdr.num_vertexes ): |
| 21:17:34 | krux02 | echo vertex |
| 21:17:57 | krux02 | only difference is that in the working version the generic argument of the second call to memptr is different |
| 21:18:30 | def- | krux02: better post big pastes on pastebin/gist |
| 21:18:52 | krux02 | ok |
| 21:18:57 | def- | and the Vec3f instead of Vec2f |
| 21:19:34 | def- | eh, you said that already |
| 21:19:48 | krux02 | I will try to post something later, but first I want to test weather it is the same with the latest development version of the compiler |
| 21:19:56 | def- | krux02: you could read the generated C code to find out what's wrong |
| 21:20:01 | krux02 | I will try to isolate the problem |
| 21:20:04 | def- | krux02: or just search for it on github and post a bug |
| 21:20:05 | def- | ok |
| 21:24:17 | gorgonzolapasta | http://paste.gorgonzolapasta.eu/Jb4/ ok, changed the io thing, now htis |
| 21:24:41 | gorgonzolapasta | again |
| 21:25:05 | def- | PATH reset again? |
| 21:25:17 | def- | I booted up my OpenBSD vm and am trying to work through the bugs now |
| 21:25:37 | gorgonzolapasta | /home/pasta/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/games:.:/home/pasta/Nim/bin should be it |
| 21:26:06 | def- | you could check with `which nim` again |
| 21:26:16 | def- | but I'm also getting that error sometimes and not sure yet why |
| 21:26:24 | gorgonzolapasta | ok |
| 21:26:32 | gorgonzolapasta | yes. which nim is /home/pasta/Nim/bin/nim |
| 21:27:37 | gorgonzolapasta | nim e install_nimble.nims works? o.o |
| 21:27:50 | gorgonzolapasta | (still compiling) |
| 21:28:09 | gorgonzolapasta | yes it works :3 |
| 21:28:10 | gorgonzolapasta | happy |
| 21:29:02 | def- | great, so you have a working nimble? |
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| 21:30:45 | gorgonzolapasta | yes |
| 21:30:57 | gorgonzolapasta | i am able to install things |
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| 21:33:39 | gorgonzolapasta | yes, everything works now |
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| 23:40:41 | so | http://jekyllc.sourceforge.net/features.html |
| 23:51:46 | def- | so: last mailing list post was 10 years ago, doesn't look active |