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01:50:59FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> whats the proper way to read from stdin when used in a pipe like this ↵`some-command | nim-project`
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02:46:50FromDiscord<amadan> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3o
02:52:02NimEventerNew thread by ringabout: My Nim Development Weekly Report (3/5), see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9970
02:55:23FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> In reply to @amadan "You can just treat": that works but what theres more than one line?
02:57:02FromDiscord<Rika> Then read more lines, what exactly is the problem?
03:00:56FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> i want it to always read every line, and some commands id be running before it dont just output everything at once
03:01:11FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> like installing a package for example takes multiple lines and isnt all at once
03:02:20FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> i want it to read every line as its printed
03:02:36FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> and output the line after going through the filtering
03:02:40FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> if that makes sense
03:08:25FromDiscord<Rika> Do you want to do anything while there are no lines to print or is that all you want to do
03:08:43FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> thats it
03:09:03FromDiscord<Rika> Then probably literally a for loop of just read line would work
03:09:12FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> simply put its a text filter that reads the input and changes parts then re-prints it
03:09:55FromDiscord<Rika> Why not learn how to use sed so you don't have to make this program? Idk
03:10:17FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> cause i would rather make the program?
03:19:19FromDiscord<amadan> There is also `readAll` which can be used to read all of the stdin input↵But that isn't as memory efficient as reading lines if you are just operating on each line
03:24:36FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> also doesnt output per-line which for the rare actual use of it isnt important but a downside
03:25:11FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> cause tbh itll just be a thing used with like cat or something like that
03:29:49FromDiscord<mk-fg> Don't forget to do flush when printing lines to stdout, or change buffering there
03:38:34FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> flush?
03:38:55FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> @mk-fg forgive my ignorance but what is that
03:39:32FromDiscord<mk-fg> <https://nim-lang.org/docs/io.html#flushFile%2CFile> <--- this thing
03:40:37FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> so at the end `flushFile(stdin)`?
03:40:42FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> or whatever i set the variable to?
03:40:59FromDiscord<mk-fg> Not sure if nim might handle stdout buffering in some special way (didn't check), but normally libc can enable it with non-tty outputs (e.g. to a file)
03:42:03FromDiscord<mk-fg> So if you want lines to be actually output in real-time, and not batched together in one big buffer, might want to do that
03:42:32FromDiscord<mk-fg> You'd do on buffered outputs, not on stdin, but yeah, pretty much
03:42:46FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> so your saying, loop through the lines then flush after every line?
03:43:56FromDiscord<mk-fg> Yeah, unless output is always a terminal, which I think is always line-buffered
03:51:11FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> ok my thing kinda works?
03:51:52FromDiscord<jtv> You can unbuffer a terminal, just requires some ioctl voodoo
03:52:29FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> kinda weird https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1082148669685518376/screenshot_2023-03-05-225210.png
03:52:37FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> same file but one goes through my thing one doesnt
03:53:34FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> its repeating some things
03:53:52FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3v
03:54:20FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> using write instead of echo to not have a trailing \n
03:55:52FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3w
03:59:41FromDiscord<jtv> It looks like somehow you're getting the terminal echo from the cat command and the output from your program. Does it do the same thing if you do ./owo < ~/ai-prompts/rick.txt ??
04:00:48FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> yea the exact same thing
04:02:00FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> my old code works fine tho in that regard
04:02:19FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> just doesnt post anything till after stdin stops getting info or whatever
04:02:26FromDiscord<jtv> And what if you do `stty -echo` first to turn off echo? That is no solution, just trying to help myself understand
04:03:26FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/CGQ
04:03:49FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> its correct
04:03:58FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> but it doesnt have the new lines i dont think
04:04:21FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3z
04:04:46FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> but some of the stuff isnt filtered correctly
04:04:53FromDiscord<jtv> So I'm not worried about that. That's your entire program???
04:05:00FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> yea
04:05:01FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> lol
04:05:50FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> wait
04:05:56FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> something isnt adding up
04:06:00FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> (in my head)
04:07:10FromDiscord<jtv> Call setStdIoUnbuffered() before reading from stdin. Copy and write one character at a time
04:07:19FromDiscord<jtv> The flush shouldn't be needed btw
04:08:02FromDiscord<jtv> You could still call readLine() really
04:11:42FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> ok its better but theres a more fundamental flaw lol unrelated to reading from stdin
04:12:00FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> its only doing one of the if statements but im 99% sure ik how to fix
04:12:09FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> make all the ifs seperate?
04:12:28FromDiscord<jtv> Well, no, that's going to print the line out multiple times, once for each match
04:12:49FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> continue after the write()?
04:12:57FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> (edit) "continue" => "`continue`" | "write()?" => "`write()`?"
04:13:05FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> does that even apply?
04:13:24FromDiscord<jtv> No, read into a variable, and keep replacing the variable, write it out once.
04:13:34FromDiscord<jtv> After you've made every substitution for the line
04:13:39FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> oh so something like (im making it rn)
04:13:58FromDiscord<jtv> The reason you aren't getting newlines is because your "write(stdout, "\n") isn't indented when it should be so it's not printing for each line
04:14:39FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3C
04:14:42FromDiscord<jtv> And your original pasted code works fine (i.e., doesn't dupe), you must have been running something that was doing something slightly off
04:14:46FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> then at the end print the line?
04:14:51FromDiscord<jtv> Sure
04:15:18FromDiscord<jtv> Tho it has to be line = line.replace(...)
04:15:28FromDiscord<jtv> And why the & " "???
04:16:40FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> i dont even remember tbh but it was working
04:16:43FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
04:16:49FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> ill try without and see ig
04:17:02FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> oh cause it used to split at " "
04:17:08FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> i had to add it back
04:17:13FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> idk why i kept it tho
04:18:02FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> ok its filtering everything now
04:19:26FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> everything works now i think
04:20:38FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> doesnt keep color but it also breaks when theres more complex stuff going on with text, not worried about that last bit tho https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1082155753084825650/screenshot_2023-03-05-231959.png
04:25:41FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> thanks @jtv
04:50:40FromDiscord<jtv> Np
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06:00:16NimEventerNew thread by sls1005: Overflow Checks, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9971
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06:17:27FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @ieltan "i've found https://nim-lang.github.io/fusion/src/fu": the author is here on the server↵↵https://github.com/haxscramper/hmatching
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06:19:07FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @Iliketwertles "yea normally its ": you're ≠ your 😛
06:47:25FromDiscord<ajusa> Does anyone know why the first block here passes and the second block fails with an exception? I would expect them to have the same behavior: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3Q
06:55:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> God i wouldnt use elvis regardless
06:55:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It uses templates for all the operations, which means each `?:` invokes the expression multiple times
06:56:43FromDiscord<ajusa> Are there any alternatives?
06:57:19FromDiscord<ajusa> Also I think the expression would still only be called once right? I don't see why it would be evaluated multiple times
06:57:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `(if ?l: l else: r)`
06:58:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you need to check if it's truthy and then return l if it is
06:58:09FromDiscord<ajusa> ah once to see if it is truthy, and once again for the actual value
06:58:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And you cannot cache it cause what if `l` raises an exception
06:58:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's all correct but for something like this you're evaluating the filter and indexing it
06:59:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> not failing for the int example is odd
07:00:36FromDiscord<ajusa> Here is my even more minimal example: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3S
07:01:01FromDiscord<ajusa> (in my specific case the performance doesn't matter, it's on a list of <10 items)
07:01:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This does give me an idea for a new forloop macro though
07:03:50FromDiscord<ajusa> what's the idea?
07:04:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3V
07:04:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> replace `first` with sensible name
07:05:01FromDiscord<ajusa> basically a for else construct huh?
07:05:20FromDiscord<ajusa> that would be my exact use case at least
07:05:36FromDiscord<ajusa> though I was hoping to use elvis for a couple other "truthy" checks
07:06:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3W
07:06:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The way elvis is written prevents it from being used that way
07:06:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You need something like `wrapnils` `?.` which rewrites the entire statement
07:07:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Since you need to do a truthy check on each step
07:09:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q3Z
07:09:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `?:` could do this of course, but it needs to be a macro
07:10:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Where it breaks apart the expressions on the left into each step
07:10:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not that complicated to write
07:12:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Assuming you write the code so move semantics can kick in it also wouldnt be too costly
07:12:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> \ajusa now regrets asking about elivs
07:15:27FromDiscord<ajusa> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q40
07:15:38FromDiscord<ajusa> (edit)
07:16:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But the learning experience!
07:20:17FromDiscord<ajusa> i'm tired of learning
07:20:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Uh oh
07:20:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When you're tired of learning, you're dead
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07:40:14FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Is it even worth it to make an EC system for a text adventure game?
07:40:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No just use a generic
07:40:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why do you need composition for a text adventure
07:42:26FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> I don't tbf, was just wondering if there's any point to doing it
08:01:28FromDiscord<PunchCake> is `proc` any different from `func`?
08:03:25Amun-RaPunchCake: func is a proc with no side effects
08:03:34FromDiscord<ringabout> A func cannot access global variables.↵A func cannot have side effect, such as printing to the standard output or reading the standard input.
08:04:50FromDiscord<PunchCake> whaat func cant get input from the console?
08:04:57FromDiscord<PunchCake> welp imma stick with proc then
08:05:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Of course not that's mutating global state
08:05:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The entire point of a procedure is to limit the mutation of global state
08:07:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> a function\
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08:51:18FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @PunchCake "whaat func cant get": "func" is a function in the mathematical sense.↵All it does is map inputs to outputs. It will always return the same output for the same input.↵It will not cause any actions to trigger, it's purely a conversion
08:51:42FromDiscord<Phil> It makes sense to use both. Funcs give you guarantees that you're not about to get side-effects thrown at you
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09:02:52FromDiscord<j-james> well, depends on how you define side effects 🙃
09:03:13FromDiscord<j-james> but yea
09:03:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Lol
09:03:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I do always love to unfaithfully argue "Even growing the stack is a side effect" 😄
09:04:16FromDiscord<j-james> exceptions count, and i think infinite loops typically count, (and debugEcho counts) but those are very reasonable to not include
09:04:35FromDiscord<j-james> i&#x27;ll be stealing that one 👀
09:04:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean with dangling pointers it's provable 😛
09:06:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q4f
09:07:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But i always argue it more like a devils advocate cause i actually like code that does something 😄
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10:29:24FromDiscord<jmgomez> did you end up switching to it?
10:29:52FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @Gumbercules "RemedyBG is pretty nice": did you end up switching to it?
10:32:12FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> Voice message.ogg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1082249261787389952/Voice_message.ogg
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10:42:48FromDiscord<Phil> Erm
10:42:59FromDiscord<Phil> We have the political goal of being a programming language?
10:44:04FromDiscord<Phil> That's pretty much it as far as I'm aware, vindaar or Pmunch may correct me on that one
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10:51:18FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> Voice message.ogg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1082254071848783903/Voice_message.ogg
10:52:45FromDiscord<Phil> Is there a chance for you to type out instead of voice messaging?↵I'm in a public space with requirements to be quiet and listening almost 2 minutes is not quite something I'm a fan of here 😅
10:53:52FromDiscord<ringabout> In reply to @thebluepandabear "Voice message.ogg": Nope, not what I'm aware of.
10:54:18FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> OK thanks.
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11:43:18FromDiscord<pmunch> What kind of political goals would we have?
11:43:37FromDiscord<pmunch> Araq for president? Don't think he'd appreciate that much
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12:09:10FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> black lives matter, or LGBT stuff. I'm a christian and lgbt goes against my beliefs and its not the right place to push these social issues
12:11:20FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> anyways, don't want to cause a political argument here, but it's good that Nim is not woke per se lol
12:12:57FromDiscord<ringabout> Yeah, this is a programming channel anyway
12:21:02FromDiscord<pmunch> That being said you aren't entitled to your opinion any more than e.g. LGBT supporters are here. So if you where to start attacking community members for anything like that you would get banned.
12:21:58FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> Understood. I have nothing against LGBT People, or anything like that, I just don't like when it involves into programming.
12:22:33FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> It mostly just goes against my Christian beliefs and stuff, that I have issue with it , but I would never harrass anyone for being LGBT , that would be unchristian like to do lol
12:22:46FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Then why bring it up at all?
12:23:23FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Can just, not talk about it in #main, considering it, as pmunch and ringabout said, is a channel for programming
12:23:25FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> because I dont want it to be involved into programming I was just ensuring that the language has no political goals
12:23:32FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> anyways lets stop this now before it gets into politics this was not my intention
12:23:35FromDiscord<thebluepandabear> yeah lets' just stop
12:23:41FromDiscord<pmunch> Unfortunately a lot of your peers have forgotten that last part..
12:25:13FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @pmunch "Araq for president? Don't": Araq for the BDFL of Cuba
12:43:12NimEventerNew Nimble package! unibs - binary de-/serialization that works on js, c and VM (compiletime), see https://github.com/choltreppe/unibs
12:49:32FromDiscord<jmgomez> hey @ringabout just saw this https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/21481, does it improves auto inference?
12:50:38FromDiscord<jmgomez> Like sometimes you have to specify the type in `(a : TypeHere) => someCode)` in order to deduce `a:auto => auto`
12:51:15FromDiscord<ringabout> In reply to @jmgomez "hey <@658563905425244160> just saw": I haven't figured out whether it's worth allowing this kind of inference in thta issue. Probably we should somehow disallow this case.
12:51:42FromDiscord<ringabout> (edit) "thta" => "that"
12:54:11FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @ringabout "I haven't figured out": Ok, Im not really referring to that particular issue, but to the another auto pass part
12:56:40FromDiscord<ringabout> Yeah, adding another pass will allow the type of returns being inferred beforehand/
12:56:48FromDiscord<ringabout> (edit) "Yeah, adding" => "Adding" | "beforehand/" => "beforehand."
12:57:13FromDiscord<ringabout> I have no idea on how it will affect the case you mentioned.
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14:33:33FromDiscord<Nerve> Is there some kind of compiler flag I can use to force my compiled executable to look for shared libraries in a directory I specify? I want to distribute my application with some shared libraries and I'd like to not have to specify LD_LIBRARY_PATH every time
14:33:46FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @jmgomez "did the source map": Still have no idea what that is, but i fixed the issue
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14:43:53FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @not logged in "Still have no idea": You mentioned that the debugger didnt stop for you. Source maps is what enables the debugger (i.e. chrome debugger) to map between the generated js code to the Nim one. Last time I checked they didnt work, but I saw that it got some work some time ago.↵The question is if the debugger did stop in your Nim code or did you fix your issues without debugging?
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16:03:50FromDiscord<isofruit> test
16:03:55FromDiscord<Phil> Okay, that works
16:04:34FromDiscord<Phil> test2
16:08:39FromDiscord<Rika> Damn so you’re moving to matrix too
16:11:28FromDiscord<Phil> Mostly want to be able to access it when necessary, I recall the last nimconf being done via a matrix channel
16:50:23FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @ieltan "is it still safe": 1. Not 'deprecated', just there are no people at the moment who want to work on this ↵2. It is 'safe' in a sense that it won't suddenly change↵3. Gara and Patty libraries, but they also haven't seen any development in a couple of years. So they are also just as 'safe'
17:24:54FromDiscord<Pietro Peterlongo> I think that was the nim devroom at fosdem which was Feb 2022. Nim conf (Oct 22) was on youtube with youtube chat
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18:45:15FromDiscord<tfp> @beef guy on IRC: are there any docs for micros?
18:45:21FromDiscord<tfp> i'm looking at it now looks very cool from the example
18:46:20FromDiscord<tfp> it's just kind of like a bunch of helpers you can call at compile time right?
18:49:09FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @tfp "it's just kind of": You know how every syntax pattern in nim is basically a fixed pattern of Nodes?↵Instead of all of that being vague, micros types that stricter, so that you can only generate sequences of nodes that evaluate to valid language constructs
18:49:38FromDiscord<Phil> So you get better type-safety when generating code like that
18:50:48FromDiscord<tfp> yeah that's what i grokked but i am struggling to read all the little source files
18:52:20FromDiscord<tfp> or like high level concepts in general i guess, like what is a RoutineNode
18:52:25FromDiscord<Phil> I think this is one of those situations where having more extensive documentation like, say, for example in a nimibook, could really help here
18:52:52FromDiscord<tfp> a documented example could work too
18:52:56FromDiscord<tfp> i am rly just genuinely trying to use it
18:53:39FromDiscord<Phil> That was me trying to no wave with an entire fence (if that saying exists in english) at beef once he reads this 😛
18:54:37FromDiscord<Phil> But yeah, if you want you can do what I'm doing with owlkettle and hound the creator with questions and write docs for yourself.↵I'd be happy to help with setting up nimibook docs.↵For reference:↵It's basically just writing markdown, but the code examples you put in actually run and compile so you know that your examples are valid
18:55:15FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "But yeah, if you want you can do what I'm doing with owlkettle and hound the creator with questions and write docs for yourself.↵I'd be happy to help with setting up nimibook docs.↵For reference:↵It's basically just writing markdown, but the code examples you put in actually run and compile so you know that your examples are valid" => "sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4q6P"
18:55:28FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "http://ix.io/4q6P" => "http://ix.io/4q6Q"
18:56:35FromDiscord<tfp> i mean maybe it will help me learn
18:56:42FromDiscord<tfp> i could try it
18:56:57FromDiscord<Phil> It did for me with owlkettle, that's for sure.
18:57:30FromDiscord<Phil> Want a small crash course on how to set up a nimibook as well as a github workflow file that'll automatically compile it and publish it to github pages?
18:57:57FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "pages?" => "pages (whenever you push a commit to the main branch)?"
18:59:54FromDiscord<tfp> i think i got it working
19:00:02FromDiscord<tfp> i can set up a workflow if i ever make any progress
19:00:21FromDiscord<tfp> appreciate the offer ofc but i dont have that much time to work on this project rn
19:01:02FromDiscord<Phil> I tend to offer my help with setting up github workflows that I know because those workflows tend to be insanely annoying, at least they always were to me
19:01:27FromDiscord<Phil> So I was quite happy once I found out a few github actions that worked for me
19:02:14FromDiscord<Phil> Always happy to share that knowledge, as imo they're super useful and can add quite a bit to the quality of a project, but also super time consuming for first setup and annoying to deal with
19:09:46FromDiscord<tfp> ye i actually really disliked github actions when i used it last
19:10:11FromDiscord<tfp> found it really limited, like there wasn't an easy way to link up steps and pass artifacts between them?
19:10:11FromDiscord<tfp> and you couldn't work around it because the declarative format was limiting
19:10:32FromDiscord<tfp> but nimibook is working already so it's actually kind of nice to use to hack on the examples
19:10:35FromDiscord<tfp> thanks for showing me
19:20:29FromDiscord<Phil> Happy to do so, I've set up multiple documentations with it already and it works quite nicely
19:21:08FromDiscord<Phil> Now if I could have simpler way to have specific lines not get executed when the code is run and have the ability to fold-in sections in the sidebar... 😛
19:21:39FromDiscord<Phil> (That first bit is pretty relevant when your example e.g. compile small GUI apps, daemons or webservers that then try to run)
19:22:17FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> I made such a hacky fix for my issue
19:22:28FromDiscord<Phil> ?
19:22:39FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Where shared libraries can't use `AsyncSocket.send`
19:24:01FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Basically, from the main app, I define a proc that's literally just `proc(socket: AsyncSocket, data: string, flags = {SafeDisconn}) {.async.} = await s.send(data, flags)` to a `setSendProc` function in the shared library
19:25:09FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/KYY
19:25:40FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q70
19:25:44FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> It works which is even better
19:26:21FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Does Nim have a way to exclude certain procs from being imported?
19:27:01FromDiscord<Phil> import bla except x
19:27:08FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Neat, thanks!
19:28:26FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q72
19:28:57FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Thanks Phil!
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19:32:59PMunchHmm, anyone got a good explanation of what's going on in this thread? https://www.reddit.com/r/nim/comments/11is9ki/cant_compile_hello_world_on_windows/
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19:48:12FromDiscord<Phil> I'll have to tap out here, no windows
19:48:23FromDiscord<Phil> Not even in my walls
19:50:20PMunchHaha, just big gaping holes?
19:51:30FromDiscord<Phil> With blankets in front of them
19:54:57PMunchFancy
19:55:10PMunchI think I would literally die if I had that in my house :P
19:55:12PMunchToo cold up here
19:56:59FromDiscord<Phil> Nah man
19:57:01FromDiscord<Phil> You'd be cool
20:04:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But the hole in the wall is the window, the glass is the window pane↵(@Phil)
20:05:16FromDiscord<Phil> The hole in the wall is large enough to walk through and reaches the ground floor, it is a door with a blanket in front!
20:08:54PMunchWhat's the threshold for a hole in the wall to be called a window?
20:09:11PMunchI mean if I punch a hole in my wall, is that a window?
20:11:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Any hole in the wall is indistinguishable from a window - Arthur C Clarke
20:13:23FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @PMunch "Hmm, anyone got a": Saw that and no idea. The log seems really cursed `In file included In file included InIn ff frrfiooilmmle`
20:14:01PMunchYeah, I'm a bit stumped
20:14:16FromDiscord<auxym> `In file included In file included InIn ff frrfiooilmmle e CC:i: \n\iUcUnslsceuelrdrsseu\\ddzz frrerxxdo\\ mnnf iirCmmcaco:chm ae\Cc\h:hUw\es_U\edshrs\w_ez\@m..@rx\nirsdmcache\h\asdf\nw_d\@[email protected]..@s\.@..@[email protected]\L..ha@.@nswsgL_.sad.@ng@s\ss.@@[email protected]@@[email protected]@.10s..@[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@scdss:@ny7sis:0m-1.tp:6er` like wtf
20:14:46FromDiscord<auxym> either a bad copy-paste job or someone is very wrong with this person's computer/OS/terminal/something
20:14:47PMunchI just assumed that was some kind of Windows colour code stuff
20:16:01FromDiscord<auxym> IIRC windows doesn't use "escape codes" for terminal colors
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21:28:59FromDiscord<Dudugz> In reply to @auxym "either a bad copy-paste": No, this happens to me on some errors that Nim gives too. Some errors look like this and even if you recompile it appears like this, it happened using powershell in vscode
21:29:54FromDiscord<Dudugz> At least in terms of errors I didn't find Nim so clear, if it gives an error in an async proc it doesn't say which was the proc just that it gave an error in asyncdispatch.nim in some line
21:46:50FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> What does `arc` and `orc` stand for? I know they're both reference collectors, `orc` handling cyclic references but idk what the first letter in both of them mean
21:49:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Automatic reference counting and cyclical reference counting
21:50:57FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> The `o` means cyclical?
21:51:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
21:52:39FromDiscord<Hourglass [She/Her]> Fair enough
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22:42:26FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @jmgomez "You mentioned that the": It stopped in the generated js, there was no debugging the nim code directly
23:09:06FromDiscord<Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q7G
23:09:34FromDiscord<Nilts> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q7G" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q7H"
23:10:01FromDiscord<Nilts> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q7H" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q7I"
23:11:28FromDiscord<Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4q7J
23:16:14FromDiscord<jtv> Well, I don't remember all the rules w/ undefined vs null in Javascript, but x && b is the same as if (x) { b } for sure.
23:20:36FromDiscord<Nilts> In reply to @jtv "Well, I don't remember": oh, well in that case it is ok, but why does it still throw a error saying replit is undefined instead of running history.back()
23:24:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @ajusa\: https://github.com/mattaylor/elvis/pull/12/files#diff-4bc9841992f7da8b3c2dc34bf6af9037c890b3a3b85048837f10b48c1ff1081fR261 there you go
23:27:35FromDiscord<ajusa> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@102899813149855744>\: https://github.com/mattaylo": I saw that, thank you so much for finding the issue, and fixing it 😃
23:28:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It was an inherit problem with their setup, hopefully they apply this to `?` aswell
23:28:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Your issue and #10 are identical for all intents and purposes
23:29:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's an issue with the fact `?` only does the entire expression and not each sub expression
23:31:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Perhaps with this rewrite you could learn and do the `?` operator in a similar way
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