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00:00:41Araq_mraxilus: only the first number in the array needs the type conversion
00:01:09FromGitter<mraxilus> cool, thanks
00:10:43FromGitter<mraxilus> is there another way an now my numbers are misaligned
00:10:50FromGitter<mraxilus> as now*
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01:06:27ftsfLindsayLojban, i am now
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02:02:06LindsayLojbanftsf: Its okay, someone in here was having some trouble with opengl and I was just looking for people to help but they figured it out
02:02:17ftsfahh, cool cool
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05:24:10FromGitter<girvo> Are there any plans for extending the `json` module to leverage `Option[T]` for accessing fields, etc.?
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05:51:21FuntDobrahi all
05:51:28FromGitter<girvo> o/
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07:11:04FromGitter<dom96> @girvo nope
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07:12:01FromGitter<dom96> I feel like ``Option[T]`` simply isn't idiomatic Nim. The only way to make it idiomatic is to get the whole stdlib to use it instead of ``nil``, which we could do, but should we?
07:14:49Arrrrdepends on whether 'not nil' is finally implemented by default or not.
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07:20:40hohlerdeI think not nil fits better
07:21:36FromGitter<girvo> I think `not nil` fits well, but I'd personally prefer it to be the default for types, heh. `Option[T]` is good in that it makes it clearer to me whats going on, and I'm sort of used it coming from OCaml et. al.
07:24:58flyxonce `not nil` is the default, nillable types will me much more visible.
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07:29:43FromGitter<girvo> Yeah, that's the best outcome flyx
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07:33:18flyxgirvo: depending on what to do with JSON, it may be possible to use one of the serialization libs instead. I always wonder why people read serialization data structures manually.
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07:37:34FromGitter<dom96> flyx: because it's convenient when you only care about one or two fields out of tens or hundreds
07:39:17flyxdom96: fair enough
07:40:07flyxI just have seen too much code which loads the whole JSON manually into some type
07:40:30flyx(and much more that does it with XML)
07:40:50FromGitter<dom96> yes, in that case it would be useful to have something that reads it into a type for you.
07:41:02FromGitter<dom96> Wanna implement it and create a PR? ;)
07:41:23flyxdom96: we already have marshal, and I have NimYAML, which both do that, don't they?
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07:42:49flyxI plan to support more customization in NimYAML, which would make it possible to ignore values of the input or fields of the type, and maybe finally support polymorphism
07:43:30FromGitter<dom96> Nope. I think we need a warning in marshal since this seems to be a common miconception.
07:43:34FromGitter<dom96> *misconception
07:43:46FromGitter<dom96> Marshal has nothing to do with json
07:43:56FromGitter<dom96> it just happens to use json as the format for serialising Nim's data types
07:44:16FromGitter<dom96> but if you try to deserialise a normal json object it can fail.
07:44:27FromGitter<dom96> because it might expect some extra information
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07:44:51flyxah well. more important that I advance NimYAML then
07:47:52LindsayLojbanYou just have to remember that marshaling is an exact deserialization
07:48:12LindsayLojbanThat is, typed deserialization
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08:00:54euantorOut of interest, why does marshal use a JSON like structure (without having looked at it or tried it)?
08:01:14euantorI would have expected some kind of binary output when serializing personally
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08:02:36FromGitter<BontaVlad> could be security related? Pickle in python has that problem
08:03:25euantorBontaVlad: Possibly. I just find that an interesting choice :)
08:10:50flyxBontaVlad: isn't the security problem with Pickle that it may call arbitrary code because of class constructors? Nim doesn't suffer that problem.
08:14:43FromGitter<BontaVlad> @flyx yeah, pickle allows arbitrary code execution
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08:16:08derhi guys! serious problem!
08:16:24derI use nim to run software on openwrt-based router
08:16:38derand after an update, I get "out of memory" error when launch this software
08:16:59derupdate to 0.15, but got it much earlier on git branch when it was unreleased
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08:20:18FromGitter<dom96> der: hrm, I guess something is using more memory than it used to? What does your software do and what does it use from the stdlib?
08:20:48FromGitter<dom96> euantor: pretty sure it was simply easier than coming up with a custom format.
08:24:22derFromGitter: sec, it mmaps huge memory, If I remember correctly. need time to get strace there
08:24:22FromGitterder, I'm a bot, *bleep, bloop*. I relay messages between here and https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim
08:24:24kyky-bot-nimnim-lang/Nim - Gitter
08:24:37derdom96: *
08:25:24cheatfateder, what kind of cpu architecture you are using?
08:25:30dercheatfate: mips
08:26:41Araq_der: setupForeignThreadGC has a serious regression fixed on devel
08:26:49Araq_do you use that proc?
08:27:01euantordom96: fair enough
08:27:24derAraq_: not, at least directly
08:27:53deras far as I remember I do not need import anything to get this crash. in prog I use jester and template lib built with uclibc and ssl support
08:27:53Araq_do you use threads?
08:28:08derno, I guess
08:28:30Araq_dom96: did anything significant change for jester?
08:28:53FromGitter<dom96> nope
08:29:39Araq_der: ah, I know.
08:29:45Araq_try devel please.
08:29:46derhttp://dpaste.com/2M66ZQ9
08:29:47kyky-bot-nimdpaste: 2M66ZQ9: stdin, by user
08:29:50derthat's strace
08:29:55derOK, sec
08:30:14Araq_it was some wrong constant passed to mmap
08:30:19Araq_fixed in devel I think
08:30:55derwell, fuck. dev-lang/nim-9999 ebuild disappeared
08:31:20Araq_no, sorry, the PR is still pending
08:31:23Araq_https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/4853
08:31:25kyky-bot-nimRevert change to osalloc.nim from commit 8d7a45f. by GaveUp · Pull Request #4853 · nim-lang/Nim · GitHub
08:31:40Araq_^ that's your problem
08:31:56derOK, I will try to patch manually
08:31:59dercurrent version
08:33:40Araq_tell me it works and I shall merge this PR immediately.
08:37:56derAraq_: works, thank you
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08:39:24cheatfateder, could you please just run simple nim file with `echo MAP_ANONYMOUS`?
08:41:05dercheatfate: test.nim(1, 6) Error: undeclared identifier: 'MAP_ANONYMOUS'
08:41:23derwith normal compiler too (:
08:41:36Araq_it's not exported
08:41:44Araq_why would it?
08:42:11cheatfateAraq_, the problem is i can't find value of MAP_ANONYMOUS in linux headers
08:42:29cheatfatei have found that valgrind uses different values only for mipsel
08:43:16Araq_{.emit: """printf("%d", MAP_ANONYMOUS"); """.}
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08:44:44cheatfateder, could you please run Araq's code in your test.nim? remove mine variant
08:45:49der/home/user/router/nimcache/main.c:664:14: error: unknown type name 'MAP_ANONYMOUS'
08:45:53dercheatfate: Araq_
08:46:28Araq_jeezz, #include <mem/map.h> or whatever it's called
08:47:21derafk 30 minutes, sorry
08:48:31cheatfateAraq_, revert this PR
08:48:40cheatfatei mean you need to accept this PR
08:48:49Araq_already did.
08:48:52cheatfatebecause MAP_ANONYMOUS = 0x20 on x86
08:48:54cheatfateonly
08:49:04Araq_yup
08:49:27Araq_so much for the "not generating C code is a feature" argument :-)
08:50:15cheatfateMAP_ANONYMOUS can be 0x10, 0x20, 0x800
08:51:08FromGitter<dom96> Araq_: Perhaps you should answer this when you get a chance https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12623366
08:51:09kyky-bot-nimThat has been my experience too. That all the extra work and logic (cause the al... | Hacker News
08:51:34FromGitter<dom96> ^^ when did that bot show up?
08:52:20cheatfatedom96, this bot annoying :)
08:52:45FromGitter<dom96> oh cool, pcwalton replied to you. I was of course going to link to the discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12617582
08:52:46kyky-bot-nimRust is an awesome language. It has the power to replace C++ and Java as industr... | Hacker News
08:52:57cheatfateit must say something if we ask him
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09:28:59dercheatfate: Araq_: it's 0x800 there
09:29:13cheatfateder, thank you
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10:02:06ArrrrI doubt it can replace java
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11:11:51flyxit will most certainly not replace Java. nothing will replace Java for a loooooong time, and then something else running on the JVM will replace it.
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11:29:49hohlerdearaq: nice blog post!
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11:41:51PMunchIs there a good library for creating terminal applications in Nim?
11:42:50PMunchA simple way to define switches, which ones are mandatory, which are not. Types of switches, sub-commands etc.
11:43:21FromGitter<BontaVlad> https://github.com/docopt/docopt.nim ?
11:43:25hohlerdedocopt
11:43:28kyky-bot-nimGitHub - docopt/docopt.nim: Command line arguments parser that will make you smile (port of docopt to Nim)
11:43:28FromGitter<BontaVlad> https://github.com/fowlmouth/nim-termbox
11:43:28kyky-bot-nimGitHub - fowlmouth/nim-termbox: Nimrod wrapper for Termbox and Newt
11:44:55PMunchOh wow, docopt looks cool. Basically a parser for the docstring that actually creates the switches
11:45:34PMunchThe termbox thing lacks examples and documentation..
11:47:13PMunchOnly thing better would be a native Nim DSL that did the same thing
11:48:11FromGitter<BontaVlad> @termbox you can use the examples in the termbox go implementation, the logic is more or less the same
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11:48:30GaveUpPMunch: commandeer?
11:51:11FromGitter<BontaVlad> I have used http://click.pocoo.org/6/ with great pleasure when dealing with python CLI applications
11:51:11kyky-bot-nimWelcome to the Click Documentation &#8212; Click Documentation (6.0)
11:53:42PMunchGaveUp, link?
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11:55:08GaveUpnimble has it, or google "commandeer nim" ... don't have a link handy
11:56:53PMunchOoh, that also looks promising
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11:57:43GaveUpi still prefer docopt, but commandeer worked well for a case where i didnt have the re lib available that docopt pulls in
11:58:03PMunchYeah, docopt looks really nice
11:58:28PMunchI'll have to look into it
11:58:33GaveUpit's win is that it's pretty universal across languages
11:59:26PMunchBut with commandeer you don't have to use args["<name>"] to get the values out again
11:59:29PMunchWhich is nice
12:01:09GaveUpdefining the help line isnt as straight forward, to me, though, and with the disconnect of it it can get out of sync.
12:01:44PMunchYeah
12:02:07PMunchAnd with commandeer you can also define types
12:02:15PMunchSo you don't have to do the whole parse thing
12:03:36GaveUpyou could build a type and copy the variables there
12:04:13PMunchWhat do you mean?
12:05:23GaveUpuse the docopt ouput to populate an opbject that you then use ... sure manual to parse, one time, but eh
12:06:23PMunchYeah, but it would be nice if it handled types and spit out an error if the user input the wrong type. That way you wouldn't have to think about error messages for the user at all
12:08:01GaveUpi don't know if the docopt spec allows typing like that... don't know it well at all. if it does there's no reason it couldn't be added
12:09:04PMunchI bet it doesn't since it's originally for Python which doesn't really have types..
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12:11:06FromGitter<BontaVlad> Python does have types. Python is strongly, dynamically typed.
12:11:26enthus1astGaveUp, PMunch you'r talking about this right? https://github.com/fenekku/commandeer
12:11:28kyky-bot-nimGitHub - fenekku/commandeer: Take command of your command line in Nim
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12:12:09PMunchBontaVlad, well yes. It has types, but they aren't as apparent as in Nim.
12:12:36PMunchenthus1ast, we're talking about the different options. docopt and commandeer mainly
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12:37:39PMunchHmm, in Nim value types default to their "null" value right?
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13:05:08FromGitter<dom96> reference types do
13:05:22FromGitter<dom96> value types can never be null
13:05:50ftsf"`div` computes the integer division. This is roughly the same as floor(x/y)." hmm roughly is a strange word to use there =\
13:06:04ftsfmight be good to state how it differs
13:06:49cheatfatekeyword `roughly` i think :)
13:07:04ftsf(-16 div 32) * 32 is 0
13:07:31ftsfi'd expect -32
13:07:38ftsfdoes that seem odd to you?
13:08:16cheatfateinteresting why you expect `-32`...
13:08:20FromGitter<endragor> should be `trunc`, not `floor`, I guess
13:08:29cheatfateyou might expect `-16` i think
13:09:06cheatfateendragor its not even `trunc`
13:09:32ftsf-16 / 32 = 0.5
13:09:40ftsffloor(-16 / 32) should be -1
13:09:53cheatfateftsf, its integer division
13:10:02ftsfyes, i know
13:10:14cheatfateits because there `roughly`
13:10:27cheatfate-16 div 32 == 0 for integer division
13:10:36cheatfate16 div 32 == 0 too
13:10:41ftsfahh
13:11:21ftsfyes, hence my point about the "roughly" =p
13:11:56cheatfateas i said before `roughly` is a Key word :)
13:12:00ftsffloor(-16 / 32).int = -1
13:12:13ftsfcheatfate, yes, but i think it should be clear how it's different
13:12:19ftsfor not say it at all
13:12:43cheatfateftsf, its some kind of Araq's `joke` :)
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13:13:03ftsfbecause otherwise silly people like me get confused when it's not the same =p
13:13:51cheatfateftsf, there was example you have passed (1 div 2 == 0)
13:14:06cheatfatealso you must note that return value is int
13:30:01ftsf\o/ http://static.impbox.net/vektor2089/tiled.mp4 nim based tile map editor for my game
13:31:38FromGitter<dom96> cool!
13:31:50enthus1astkuhl
13:32:06enthus1astftsf have github page?
13:32:11ftsfenthus1ast, not yet
13:32:43enthus1asti'm tired fighting with tiled all the time...
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13:33:23ftsfaww
13:33:31ftsfthis one is super basic atm
13:33:36ftsfbut easy to add more stuff to it
13:33:55enthus1astftsf can it place tiles in relation to other tiles nearby?
13:34:09ftsfneeded to figure out the `div` thing to get a tiling view of the map
13:34:16ftsfenthus1ast, nothing magic like that
13:34:25enthus1astok :)
13:34:44ftsflike the "terrain" in tiled?
13:34:48enthus1astjep
13:34:57ftsfyeah that'd be a nice feature
13:35:59ftsfadding something like this would be neat: https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse
13:36:01kyky-bot-nimGitHub - mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse: Bitmap & tilemap generation from a single example with the help of ideas from quantum mechanics.
13:37:20enthus1astwhen you release it i'll try to use it with my phaser.js games.
13:38:02ftsflooks like a cool framework
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13:38:49FromGitter<coffeepots> that wavefunctioncollapse is amazing!
13:39:01ftsfcoffeepots, sure is!
13:43:50FromGitter<coffeepots> that would be amazing for procedural generation of tiles
13:43:52federico3ftsf: very nice indeed!
13:47:30enthus1astwe should have something like phaser.js in nim. This would be amazing.
13:48:22flyxwow, this algorithm
13:49:03FromGitter<coffeepots> absolutely incredible it even works in 3d too
13:50:35FromGitter<coffeepots> doesn't even seem like a lot of code
13:50:38ftsfenthus1ast, i'm working a small game framework for nim which is nearly ready for use, but design based mostly off pico8, so all pixely stuff
13:51:34ftsfcoffeepots, yes, a nim port shouldn't be too much work
13:53:32federico3ftsf: we want it NOW ;D
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14:59:16FromGitter<dom96> What do you guys think Nim's "two word" pitch should be? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12653007
14:59:17kyky-bot-nim> What is the Nim two word pitch?Metaprogramming. The best metaprogramming any... | Hacker News
15:01:44FromGitter<BontaVlad> Fast and furious
15:02:26FromGitter<BontaVlad> Python on crack
15:02:44FromGitter<BontaVlad> Sexy C
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15:06:51federico3literally 2 word? Python-like, C-fast
15:09:11flyxprogramming, motherfucker
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15:12:59enthus1astcode king
15:14:22FromGitter<dom96> Probably not literally :)
15:14:58FromGitter<dom96> 2 meta 2 python
15:15:55enthus1astwhat is gitter btw?
15:15:59enthus1astIrc transport?
15:18:11FromGitter<dom96> gitter.im
15:23:50Araq_different, not difficult.
15:24:07enthus1asti want to build something like this in nim (somewhat port my old code from python), i want to connect irc,xmpp,webchat (maybe over psyc) to a single chat realm. Atm its just an mediocre irc server with tcp/ws however.
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15:25:17FromGitter<dom96> enthus1ast: do it
15:25:38federico3enthus1ast: bitlbee?
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15:29:23FromGitter<coffeepots> Nim in two words: Productive & Powerful | Fun & Fast | Expressive & Practical | Efficient & Elegant
15:30:28FromGitter<dom96> I think the guy wants a killer feature as well though
15:30:52FromGitter<dom96> Something more concrete than "productive"
15:31:01FromGitter<dom96> although he does say that Go is "simple" so I dunno
15:31:16FromGitter<coffeepots> for me the killer features, aside from metaprogramming, is just how productive it can be. Many lines of code in other languages are just a few in nim
15:32:06FromGitter<coffeepots> I dunno, I find myself thinking less about how to do stuff in nim, and more about simply what I want to do, if that makes sense
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15:32:50FromGitter<coffeepots> 3 words: get shit done
15:33:59FromGitter<coffeepots> probably not what you want from a killer feature, but it's what I want from a language :D
15:34:24FromGitter<dom96> well, that's a bit of a paradox
15:34:32FromGitter<coffeepots> how about: metaprogramming, compiles-to-c
15:34:35FromGitter<dom96> The language may be productive, but the lack or libraries kind of ruins that
15:34:48FromGitter<dom96> I basically said "Metaprogramming"
15:35:01FromGitter<dom96> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12650134
15:35:07kyky-bot-nimI do agree with everything you said, but a) I&#x27;d still rather the giant than jupi... | Hacker News
15:35:22FromGitter<dom96> bbl
15:37:43enthus1astfederico3 i found http://about.psyc.eu/ interesting
15:37:45kyky-bot-nim(PSYC) Index
15:43:57elroodcan we convince that bot to stay silent unless it's explicitly invoked? in its current form it's only so helpful and somewhat annoying
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15:46:38federico3enthus1ast: it's from 2001? Never heard of it, is it still alive?
15:47:17enthus1astit seems that this is the backend software for a lot of high performance chatrooms
15:47:36enthus1astbetter high traffic chats
15:48:21Araq_you mean chats with more than 2% females?
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15:48:59enthus1asthow many females lurking here? :)
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15:58:33GaveUphmmm... doesn't look like there's a way to specify the vendor string in nim.cfg for cross compilation? Same for switches (ie: -static)?
16:03:24Araq_what's a "vendor string"?
16:05:11GaveUpcrosstool-ng, for example names the toolchains arch-vendor-os-cc ... vendor is arbitrarily chosen during build
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16:06:50GaveUpuseful when you need to keep around multiple toolchains for the same arch/os
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17:42:43dom96https://salt.bountysource.com/teams/nim/updates/6-new-nim-version
17:42:49kyky-bot-nimSalt - Bountysource
17:43:02euantorJust got the email :)
17:46:08euantorRegarding Hacktoberfest, are you going to add the hacktoberfest to some issues so that people can make the 4 PRs and get the reward?
17:46:47dom96euantor: We have "Easy" issues, I don't think there is a need.
17:47:21euantorI believe that without that label you can't take part in hacktoberfest
17:47:28euantorAt least, that's how I read the webpage
17:47:54euantorBut I could be reading the page wrong ;)
17:48:50euantorYep, looks like I'm wrong, sorry: "Pull requests can be to any public repo on GitHub, not just the ones we've highlighted."
17:49:23dom96yeah, they can be to anything
17:49:29dom96In fact, I think you could even cheat :P
17:50:08dom96hmmm
17:50:27dom96I wonder if they verify everyone one-by-one
17:50:44dom96I guess they just make sure addresses are unique
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17:51:02dom96and that way you can't get more than one T-shirt
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18:32:54flyxdom96: any news on whether the funds will actually be used for bounties on issues?
18:33:20dom96good question
18:33:48dom96Well, it is written pretty clearly on BountySource that it will be used for that
18:34:35dom96We need to decide what we should put bounties on though
18:35:04dom96Araq_: Thoughts?
18:36:00dom96Freshly updated sponsors: http://nim-lang.org/sponsors.html
18:36:53Araq_I can easily put bounties on bugs
18:37:04Araq_will do it this weekend, please remind me
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18:39:50dom96I think that bountysource has some form of voting functionality
18:40:05dom96I think I said this already but it would be helpful if you guys voted on things you think should get bounties
18:40:32dom96oh and actually we have issues with bounties on them already https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Abounty
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18:41:46Araq_yeah, that didn't work too well, I'm afraid.
18:44:07dom96yeah, unfortunately those issues are very vague
18:45:03cheatfatedom96, do you really think that filling documentation with examples cost $15?
18:45:18dom96no?
18:45:22dom96I didn't post the bounty
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18:46:35Araq_fyi
18:46:49Araq_cheatfate is unemployed right now
18:46:58Araq_and can spend days and days on Nim
18:47:08Araq_what?
18:47:20Araq_lol typo
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18:48:25cheatfateManual needs further improvements to become more detailed because some of the features only mentioned in manual but not explained...
18:49:55cheatfateAraq_, its not totally right
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18:53:16Araq_cheatfate: I meant dom96 ...
18:53:42Araq_oh whatever, it's a bad joke nobody understands
18:54:14Araq_I meant to cheatfate that dom96 obviously has lots of time to improve the documentation for $15
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19:12:24UNIcodeXhello all. gcc is in my path on windows, but i get an error that it cannot find /nimcache/*.o files
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19:13:33Araq_UNIcodeX: hi. what command do you use to compile?
19:13:48UNIcodeXnim c -r hello.nim
19:18:03Araq_where is this hello.nim file? maybe the compiler is not allowed to write into this directory
19:19:26UNIcodeXi'm running nim from within the directory of the file.
19:19:30UNIcodeXit's on my desktop in a folder
19:19:33UNIcodeXcreated by myself
19:20:23Araq_on your desktop means the path has spaces in it and while that really should work
19:20:28Araq_it might be your problem
19:21:04Araq_gist the error message please
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19:25:20BlaXpirithow to convert a number to an unsigned type of the same size?
19:29:54UNIcodeXhttps://gist.github.com/UNIcodeX/5dbb624940abed7b3c53c875e0ea746d
19:29:59UNIcodeXAraq_, ^
19:30:47Araq_UNIcodeX: error: size of array 'assert_numbits' is negative
19:31:10Araq_you have the wrong version of GCC in your path, Nim and GCC disagree on whether it's a 32bit or 64bit machine
19:31:33Araq_BlaXpirit: dunno, with a cascade of 'when's?
19:31:43BlaXpirit:(
19:32:12Araq_8 cases to consider, but you can put it in a template and reuse it :P
19:32:46BlaXpiriti was thinking more about sizeof, so 4 cases
19:32:55Araq_you can also use a macro that constructs a string like "uint" & $sizeof(x)
19:33:14Araq_and then turns this string into a symbol
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19:33:45UNIcodeXAraq_, thanks. I told the installer to install gcc. do you know where it put it?
19:34:02Araq_which gcc.exe
19:34:21Araq_where gcc.exe
19:34:30UNIcodeXthat just tells me which one is on the path.
19:34:37Araq_aye
19:35:38Araq_edit config/nim.cfg line 101
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20:02:55BlaXpirithow can I repeat the same action for 10 different values (of different types, so array doesn't work)?
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20:07:17cheatfateBlaXpirit, macro?
20:07:36BlaXpiritcheatfate, OK but within a unittest so i don't want to put a macro somewhere else
20:07:40BlaXpiritdo templates work inline?
20:11:23BlaXpiritsigh, that didn't work out well, although it probably should have
20:11:31BlaXpiritError: ambiguous call; both common.randomInt(rng: var RNG, interval: Slice[randomInt.T]) and common.randomInt(rng: var RNG, interval: Slice[randomInt.T]) match for: (TestRNG32, Slice[system.uint8])
20:15:08BlaXpirithow to do computations with integer overflow doing wraparound instead of raising an exception?
20:15:40BlaXpirit{.overflowChecks: off.} for a proc, ok
20:16:50BlaXpiritwait, that didn't work
20:19:29UNIcodeXis there an IDE for Nim?
20:20:07BlaXpiritUNIcodeX, have you seen Aporia?
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20:22:16UNIcodeXBlaXpirit, nice
20:24:20UNIcodeXpython "hello world" program compiled with nuitka yields a total distribution size of 31 Megabytes, whereas Nim "hello world" using -d:release yields 55k!!
20:24:22UNIcodeXwhaat!
20:24:59UNIcodeXNim version runs 20x faster too
20:25:10UNIcodeXI'm sure i'm not telling y'all anything new, but that's awesome!
20:25:46dom96BlaXpirit: might need to {.push.} that
20:25:56BlaXpiritdom96, thanks, did that
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20:42:37enthus1astUNIcodeX --opt:size and strip maybe even give smaller executable size
20:45:11UNIcodeXenthus1ast, nice! It was actually at 39K. I tried --opt:size and it took it down to 27K
20:45:19UNIcodeXjust as fast on exec
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20:49:39UNIcodeX18K on windows. the 27K was on Arch Linux
20:50:08UNIcodeXI'm impressed. I primarily use Python, but for things that need to be small and fast, Nim is where it's at
20:53:49enthus1asti am .. i was a python head myself : ). But nim's replaceing it step by step.
20:54:20UNIcodeXenthus1ast, :)
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21:00:25enthus1astUNIcodeX have you tried to compile to javascript already? This was the moment i understand what nim could be.
21:01:55UNIcodeXno. not yet. actually... i didn't know it could do that.
21:02:03UNIcodeXso.... I could use this to make an android app?
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21:08:04Araq_yup
21:08:25Araq_"nake" has support for Android builds, but I never used it myself
21:08:53UNIcodeXnice!
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21:17:31dom96yay, my book's third review is finished.
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21:29:19cheatfatedom96, what does it mean third review? and who is reviewing your book? :)
21:30:03dom96Volunteers mainly
21:30:11dom96But people who are software engineers
21:30:48dom96It means the 3rd review, there were 3 reviews planned in total, this was the 3rd and last one.
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21:35:36cheatfateand who looking for this volunteers? you or publisher?
21:37:15dom96publisher
21:37:25dom96The reviewers are anonymous to me
21:37:36dom96so I can't scold them for giving me a bad review
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22:56:03PMunchHmm, what are the/are there any limitations to what can get passed in to a macro?
22:57:56FromGitter<girvo> @flyx what serialization lib do you suggest? :)
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23:41:15PMunchFor example, is it possible to pass something like <this> to a macro? Without wrapping it in quotes?
23:41:35PMunchmyMacro:
23:41:45PMunch <this>
23:41:52PMunchLike that ^
23:47:50joshbaptiste_dom96: currently creating the chat app from the book.. very insightful