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00:06:36cheatfateAraq, looks like not very easy as u think
00:06:50Araqhow come?
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00:23:30cheatfateAraq, sorry but i can't help you with this warnings
00:23:42cheatfatetoo complex for me at night
00:24:37cheatfatei dont understand why it `void (__cdecl *)()`
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00:51:17Araqok np
00:51:22Araqgood night
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01:51:51dyce_how do you create a stically linked binary?
01:51:54dyce_statically
01:52:32dyce_get a nice jumbo size binary
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02:37:32ftsf_dyce_, don't you get a statically linked binary by default from nim?
02:55:38dyce_ftsf_: im not all too clear, like for example openssl generally is dynamically linked?
02:58:25ftsf_have a look at the output executable and see what it links
02:58:54ftsf_using ldd
02:58:58ftsf_(on linux)
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11:54:48yglukhovAraq: there's some recently introduced regression: Error: illformed AST: proc nimem_ps(s: cint): string {.exportc, codegenDecl: "__attribute__((used)) $# $#$#".} = result = newString(chckRange(s, 0, 2147483647))
11:54:54yglukhovdoes it tell you enything?
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16:04:22icebattleAnyone built nim on cygwin lately?
16:05:30flyxdamn, there should be a big banner somewhere in the Nim docs „never use `== nil`“
16:06:49yglukhovicebattle: using mingw a lot if that matters
16:07:47icebattleyglukhov: Good idea - I'll try that
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16:21:43cheatfateAraq, something bad happens in GC while in windows multithreading breaking with Ctrl+C
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16:28:29fvshi, can someone point me the way to implement a timer that calls a function after say 300 seconds.
16:32:15cheatfatefvs, `man timer_create`?
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16:33:30ephjaflyx: isn't the only difference between that and isNil the overhead for closures?
16:34:04ephjamight as well use that though in any case
16:35:27flyxephja: just fixed a bug in NimYAML that stemmed from the problem that the tables module overloads `==`
16:35:57flyxand said `==` may raise a KeyError, but the generic proc I used it in defines {.raises: [].}
16:36:34flyxso the proc didn't compile with a Table, because of the KeyError
16:36:53ephjait shouldn't be defined for refs imo
16:37:06flyx(I also created a pull request to stop `==` raising a KeyError because that's stupid)
16:37:08ephjaI mean overloaded
16:37:18ephjaright
16:37:42flyxbut that bug was a hard one to find
16:39:32ephjaok
16:41:16flyxanyway, calling an overloaded operator is almost never what you want when you check for nil, so you shouldn't use `== nil`
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16:41:37ephjasome parts of the windows API will remain in the standard library and others won't? what will happen to fsmonitor once windows support is added? the winlean module does not contain FindFirstChangeNotification etc
16:42:05ephjaflyx: I forgot about 'is'
16:42:39ephjawait
16:43:57fvscheatfate: thanks, I see it now in the posix module
16:44:24cheatfatefvs, but this is only for linux/bsd... not windows
16:44:32ephjaflyx: nevermind that :p
16:44:35fvsyep
16:45:34ephjaAre there actual cases where one might want to overload == for references rather than values?
16:46:44flyxno, but references automatically dereference, so a `==` on values will still be called with references
16:47:32ephjareally? ok
16:47:39ephjais this a special case?
16:48:34flyxI don't think so. it's just how references work.
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16:54:55ephjaflyx: that doesn't seem right, and I haven't been able to replicate this supposed implicit dereference
16:55:52cheatfateephja, i dont think fsmonitor will have windows support
16:56:12flyxa right, I just saw that the tables module explicitly defines it
16:56:17flyxmy bad
16:56:40cheatfateephja, or bsd/macos support
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16:59:40ephjacheatfate: why not?
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17:01:13cheatfateephja, mostly because of differences in os interfaces
17:02:33ephjaoops missed the warning about the planned migration to a nimble package
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17:04:03ephjaflyx: was it the underlying sequence that was nil then? I assume the stack trace would have let you know then
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17:04:16ephjathen then then
17:04:24flyxephja: that was not the issue at all
17:04:42flyxit didn't compile because the compiler deduced `==` can raise a KeyError
17:05:12flyxand that wasn't allowed in the context where it was called
17:11:37dom96cheatfate: I don't think that's true. You can get a pretty sane common interface.
17:12:53cheatfatedom96, lol, if you think so why your fsmonitor has only linux support?
17:13:13dom96cheatfate: Why do you think?
17:13:24dom96cheatfate: Because I never got the time to finish it
17:15:37cheatfatedom96, lol again
17:15:54cheatfatedom96, you have added fsmonitor at 2012
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17:16:13cheatfatei also know Varriount made fsmonitor for windows
17:16:25cheatfatebut there no fsmonitor for kqueue
17:16:26ephjayeah but maybe he's addicted to tibia
17:16:37ephjadidn't know that
17:16:39dom96cheatfate: Saying 'lol' repeatedly is very rude.
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17:16:56cheatfatedom96, maybe because you always trying to opposite me?
17:17:24cheatfateand always saying `i dont think that's true` about my messages?
17:17:31cheatfatethis is not `rude`?
17:17:56dom96Saying that I disagree with what you are saying certainly isn't.
17:18:31dom96And I most definitely don't disagree with everything you ever say here.
17:19:04cheatfatedom96, ok, lets calm down, with what you disagree?
17:19:17cheatfate1) fsmonitor will not have bsd/windows support in near future?
17:19:37cheatfate2) kqueue EVFILT_VNODE is totally incompatible with readdirectorychangesw/inotify?
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17:22:05ephjarewrite then?
17:22:19ephjamaybe I'll have to be that somebody. looking at it now
17:22:22dom96Neither. My point is simply that it's not impossible to write a cross-platform file-system monitoring module/library.
17:25:32cheatfateof course its not impossible, and i never told that its impossible... i just said fsmonitor will not have cross-platform capabilities in near future
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17:28:24cheatfatebecause even if i start to make it i will make it asynchronous
17:28:34dom96You never said "in near future"
17:31:03dom96But I can appreciate your intent now, I shouldn't have said anything, sorry.
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19:23:36ldleworkwhich is the preferred sdl2 library to use?
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19:28:05federico3ldlework: I'm using https://github.com/nim-lang/sdl2 and it works - just my 2 cents
19:28:32ldleworkfederico3: what you doing with sdl
19:32:53federico3a game based on https://hookrace.net/blog/writing-a-2d-platform-game-in-nim-with-sdl2/
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19:34:16ldleworkcool
19:34:24ldleworkfederico3: can I play it?
19:35:40federico3it's not published yet but I can send you a copy
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20:25:39Salewskihttps://github.com/costajob/app-servers # Nim has lowest memory consumption!
20:30:34namnguyenit's worrisome that Nim is slower than Java
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20:45:21federico3I wouldn't read too much into it.
20:49:01ldleworkput millions of dollars and decades of optimization into Nim and we'll see where they stand
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20:54:59namnguyenyou seem to forget that gcc have been enjoying decades of optimization
20:56:23namnguyenand i would in general expect an AOT compilation to be at least as good as JIT
20:59:32federico3namnguyen: nothing remotely comparable to the investments on the JVM
21:00:03namnguyenfederico3, how confident are you with that statement?
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21:00:57namnguyenafaik, gcc was at 2 series way before Java became generally available
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21:20:09PMunchldlework, I've been working on running sdl2 on Android with Nim for games as well.Working pretty good so far
21:24:30federico3PMunch: d'you have any manual on how to build and deploy Nim on android?
21:24:48PMunchNot as of yet
21:24:58PMunchBut it's in the pipes
21:25:43PMunchYou can poke around in my repo if you like: https://github.com/PMunch/nim-sdl-template
21:26:15PMunchDisregard the README, it's an old repo I forked from brecthm who forked it from yglukhov
21:26:34PMunchThat being said nimx runs on Androids as well
21:26:57PMunchBut it's geared towards GUI while what I'm doing is more against games
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21:29:00PMunch"Despite i was expecting Nim to support parallelism, it clearly does not." - what does he mean by that?
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21:35:34Araqno idea.
21:38:18ldleworkwho said that?
21:41:26ephjaiup is in the standard library too?
21:52:05Araqyeah
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22:02:42PMunchAraq, it was from a link Salewski posted here at 22:25
22:02:55PMunchhttps://github.com/costajob/app-servers
22:03:18Araqoh! somebody is wrong on the internet!
22:03:27Araqsurprise, surprise.
22:04:46Araqon the other hand, nim's web server is indeed not multi-threaded
22:05:37PMunchAah, makes sense then in the context
22:06:08PMunchBut it made it seem like he meant that Nim itself does not support multi-threading
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22:17:28ephjawhy isn't getLastError used when DLL loading fails?
22:25:18Araqwhy would it?
22:26:28PMunchWhere did this function go in the wrapper: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_IntersectRect
22:26:58ephjabecause then you know why it fails, at least when there's an architecture mismatch
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22:28:50ephjaI thought someone implied that it wasn't possible
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23:09:26dom96costajob's results seem strange
23:10:02dom96parallel Go slower than single-core Crystal? that seems unlikely.
23:15:38cheatfatedom96, tests completed on osx... that's mean they are not very accurate at all, when i have benchmarked asynchttpserver on macos its almost twice slower than asynchttpserver on freebsd...
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23:24:40dom96cheatfate: but surely if all the tests are performed on the same machine then the comparison is correct?
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