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| 00:19:15 | bcinman | Hi! I'm getting an error trying to import opengl: opengl.nim(237, 12) Error: invalid pragma: deprecated: [TGLerror: GLerrorCode, ... |
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| 00:32:39 | willwillson | bcinman: I think the code may only be compatible with the next release |
| 00:34:14 | bcinman | willwillson: ah, gotcha, ill try that |
| 00:34:42 | willwillson | bcinman: you could try going back a few commits, or maybe by using the latest nimrod code from git |
| 00:35:13 | willwillson | bcinman: I'm not sure if that pragma is only in the bigbreak branch of nimrod |
| 00:36:26 | bcinman | i suppose going back would be safer than updating to bigbreak |
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| 00:40:24 | willwillson | yeah, they should probably have a stable branch in the git repo :D |
| 00:42:42 | bcinman | they really should |
| 00:46:06 | willwillson | I think the next release is imminent, so I guess they just jumped the gun. This does mean that bigbreak is pretty stable though. |
| 00:48:30 | bcinman | oh, thats good to hear, i think ill try my luck with bigbreak then |
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| 00:52:41 | fowl | bcinman, install a specific revision |
| 00:53:17 | fowl | its like babel install opengl@#1a2b3c or something similar |
| 00:54:11 | fowl | or just build bigbreak, be sure to clone csources with --branch bigbreak |
| 00:55:00 | bcinman | is there a list of breaking changes in bigbreak somewhere? |
| 00:57:14 | willwillson | not sure, but the big ones is: the default to cs:partial (which means case sensitivity for first char in indentifer) |
| 00:57:44 | bcinman | ah |
| 00:58:44 | willwillson | they also deprecated the type prefixes, but this isn't a breaking change as they are aliased to their old values |
| 00:58:58 | willwillson | you just get a deprecation warning |
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| 01:01:10 | willwillson | there is also a tool called nimfix to fix your code to use the new identifiers |
| 01:01:55 | willwillson | i.e get rid of the deprecation warnings |
| 01:02:12 | bcinman | cool, seems straightforward enough |
| 01:26:56 | bcinman | opengl seems to work fine on bigbreak, getting a segfault but thats probably my newbie code |
| 01:26:59 | Demos | the biggest disadvantage for me is that it makes explaining nimrod's CS policy to people more awkward, since there are more rules |
| 01:27:28 | Demos | also not sure if ALL_CAPS_CONSTANT_FROM_C is different from AllCapsConstantFromC |
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| 02:54:17 | Varriount|Mobile | Demos: "Nimrods identifiers are case insensitive for all except the first letter, and ignore underscores" |
| 02:54:52 | Demos | sweet |
| 02:55:14 | Demos | still TFoo was so charming and pascalish |
| 03:03:32 | Varriount|Mobile | Demos: That statement might need to be reworked for eloquence, but it gets the message across. |
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| 18:06:33 | Varriount | Araq: Did you need me for anything? |
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| 19:34:56 | Mat3 | hello |
| 19:37:50 | Varriount | Hi Mat3 |
| 19:40:42 | Mat3 | hi Varriount |
| 19:41:21 | bcinman | good talk |
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| 19:59:45 | Mat3 | what talk ? |
| 19:59:59 | Mat3 | hi flaviu1 |
| 20:00:14 | flaviu1 | hey Mat3 |
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| 20:13:26 | Varriount | Hm, something just occurred to me. I've heard people complain about Nimrod's partial support for unsigned integers, yet I never hear complaints about Java's complete lack of unsigned integers. |
| 20:14:10 | Varriount | Also, Java doesn't like instantiating a new generic array without a cast. O_o |
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| 20:16:49 | Mat3 | probably, the audience which prefers Java is just difference to the one, which complains about the unsigned integer feature/issue |
| 20:19:23 | Matthias247 | Varriount: I have already complained about Javas lack of unsigned types ;) And Javas Generics are also a mess |
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| 20:23:05 | reactormonk | Matthias247, why would you want unisgned types? |
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| 20:30:46 | Varriount | Hm.. Is it true that a single boolean takes up the same amount of space as 32 booleans? |
| 20:32:28 | Matthias247 | reactormonk: because my computer works with unsigned types too ;) |
| 20:34:20 | reactormonk | Matthias247, my body works with acid too, but I still wouldn't want to eat it |
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| 20:56:48 | fowl | Varriount, bool takes 1 byte, but if its in a structure like struct{bool b; int n;} it will be padded to 4 bytes |
| 20:57:16 | fowl | struct{bool b[4]; int n;} should be 8 bytes |
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| 21:04:16 | Mat3 | I can get the rationality behind the discussion about the 'evilness' and 'goodess' of signed and unsigned integers - both are just two interpretations of the same format |
| 21:04:48 | Mat3 | ^can't |
| 21:06:21 | Mat3 | for most binary operations, exclusive multiplication and division |
| 21:07:10 | Triplefox | I think all number format arguments tend to miss the idea that you need different debugging characteristics depending on the situation |
| 21:09:08 | Triplefox | The size and range aspects are less crucial in everyday use than what happens when there's a problem |
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| 21:10:21 | Mat3 | that's true for all kind of different binary formats |
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| 21:13:12 | Triplefox | It would be a huge boon if overflow semantics could be specified, but it's out of reach within our current assumptions |
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| 21:16:12 | Mat3 | the best would be to mask the operations so overflows can't occur at all in my opinion |
| 21:21:11 | Mat3 | this way the most significant bit act as overflow flag and carry bit |
| 21:25:46 | Mat3 | and independent of the sign all integer operations saturate instead of wrap around |
| 21:27:12 | Mat3 | (the most significant bit get one and the rest of the word is ignorable) |
| 21:29:35 | Mat3 | this only requires special handling of multiplications |
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| 21:31:33 | Triplefox | anything other than wraparound would probably be useful...wraparound is okay as an optimization for certain types of loops but that's about it |
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| 22:06:25 | Araq | hi guys, I'm alive again |
| 22:06:44 | Araq | Varriount: I trimmed down mingw to 160 MB |
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| 22:13:46 | Mat3 | hi Araq |
| 22:14:26 | Araq | servus |
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| 22:56:29 | Lorxu | Hi |
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| 23:27:55 | Araq | hi Lorxu |
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