<< 09-03-2025 >>
00:05:22FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Blocked": can't block me, i have alternate accounts :)
00:05:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea but you'd never use matrix so I can just block the bridge
00:05:58FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> like this one
00:06:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Took you like 20 minutes to make the joke I'm safe
00:06:30FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> wdym 20 minutesss
00:06:38FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> i blame the homeserver I'm using
00:44:13FromDiscord<leorize> you have beeper and still use discord? \:p
00:44:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "I dislike using more than one app"
00:46:42FromDiscord<leorize> beeper has a puppeting discord bridge
00:48:16FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Beeper's UI is more like a traditional chat app rather than something with servers and drawers which is kinda sad for me, and Element/other clients aren't great with it (in terms of looks)
00:49:11FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> https://shorturl.at/kuqWp also tried the Nim -> JS -> Lua pipeline but TS to Lua doesn't support labels and there's no existing code transformation for it
00:49:49FromDiscord<leorize> lua doesn't have labels either
00:51:55FromDiscord<leorize> oh if you ever feel like embedding nimvm, nimskull have some pretty good stuff for it
00:52:27FromDiscord<leorize> there is a bytecode format that you can compile your code to now
00:54:22FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "lua doesn't have labels": Lua 5.2 does iirc
00:55:15FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "there is a bytecode": Oooh rad, that would be much nicer than using other embedded langs, tho unless I write a Nimskull bytecode to Lua transpiler, not too useful to me unfortunate;y
00:55:17FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> (edit) "unfortunate;y" => "unfortunately"
00:55:34FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I need to use Lua for ComputerCraft (since I'm playing MC more and more)
00:55:49FromDiscord<leorize> only 5.4 have it↵(@Robyn [She/Her])
00:55:58FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Oh really? Jeez
00:56:25FromDiscord<leorize> I guess you just have to settle with lua for now
00:56:32FromDiscord<leorize> there are a couple things you can use to have typed lua if you wish
00:56:58FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> No I think you're wrong: https://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html
00:57:01FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> 5.2 has it
00:57:34FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "there are a couple": I just want Nim more than anything 😔
00:57:56FromDiscord<leorize> looks like my search was borked when I ctrl+f the 5.2 reference
00:58:12FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> It happens
00:58:21FromDiscord<leorize> easy, run a lua wasm interpreter↵(@Robyn [She/Her])
00:58:45FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "easy, run a lua": There is none :p
00:58:50FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> The one that did exist is broken
00:59:01FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> And it was using a JS -> Lua thing
01:00:37FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I'd have to write my own but I have so many projects, not enough time and so much programming block rn (as well as Uni work but that's not important)
01:01:44FromDiscord<leorize> depending on your uni, good grades can net you a scholarship
01:01:55FromDiscord<leorize> so it's pretty important if you ask me
01:02:10FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Not sure about a scholarship but an apprenticeship yeah
01:02:31FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I am trying but goooood it's such a vibe killer (deliberately crude wording)
01:05:50FromDiscord<leorize> yea it's an implicit requirement for co-op programs
01:05:50FromDiscord<leorize> since usually you have nothing at that state so your GPA is all they can judge with
01:06:19FromDiscord<leorize> fwiw, the hardest thing when it comes to projects is finishing them
01:06:40FromDiscord<leorize> the list will just grow otherwise
01:06:55FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "fwiw, the hardest thing": Ain't that the truth...
01:07:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait finish projects is a possibillity?
01:07:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> finishing\
01:07:27FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I at least need to get my MC WASM modding idea into reality so I can write Nim for the JVM that runs on most/all runtimes
01:07:55FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Also Uni is ruining the fun of programming, a job will be hellish...
01:08:15FromDiscord<leorize> if uni ruins the fun then I'd be a little worried
01:08:46FromDiscord<leorize> though I'll say that jobs are a lot easier than uni work
01:11:55FromDiscord<leorize> since you already know a lot of programming I'll just say that 1st and 2nd year are gonna be pretty boring
01:11:58FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Uni programming is easy it's just the professor sucks major ass tbh, obviously it's easy for me but the work is so dull and then I'm helping my friends do the same code 3 times over
01:12:25FromDiscord<leorize> comes the 3rd and you start to learn some useful stuff
01:12:48FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> They aren't dumb really, it's just he glosses over important concepts and then expects a very uniform way of structuring the code (his marking scripts made me lose so many marks on good, working code...)
01:12:49FromDiscord<leorize> 4th is when the real fun begins, but you'll graduate soonly after \:p
01:12:59FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> 4th?
01:13:11FromDiscord<leorize> depends on your program
01:13:18FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Here it goes from (not including foundation) 1-3, not including an apprenticeship
01:13:30FromDiscord<leorize> in NA usually CS programs are 4-year from start to finish
01:13:45FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Makes sense
01:14:32FromDiscord<leorize> just optimize for grades and skirt around the line for some fun, really↵(@Robyn [She/Her])
01:15:03FromDiscord<leorize> once you got through the basic classes you get to break out of the mold
01:16:20FromDiscord<leorize> back when I was in those I usually do things like finding the absolute fastest way to do X or the way with least code
01:16:32FromDiscord<leorize> won't get you extra points but might motivate you enough to get through them
01:17:13FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Tbf I did do some wacky things :P
01:18:41FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Not too bad, but I used reflection for instantiation + a map of strings to the classes that they're associated with (we have a file containing a header for each section of what data type it belongs too, and they all inherit from a base class)
01:18:44FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> That was pretty fun
01:19:25FromDiscord<leorize> just make sure not to overdo it so you won't get docked marks \:p
01:20:22FromDiscord<leorize> for beginners classes most of the graders are fellow students
01:20:27FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I did email the professor beforehand so he was aware of my fuckery, and the code works as intended sooo
01:21:10FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "for beginners classes most": Not here, he used a fuckin script, not unit tests, just straight up string matching (I assume to check you're using whatever syntax he wanted)
01:21:22FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> For this assignment he shouldn't be though, I believe
01:23:05FromDiscord<leorize> ah then just have fun lol
01:23:06FromDiscord<leorize> weird that you still get docked style points in that case
01:23:06FromDiscord<leorize> for me at least if I'm in talking terms with any prof then they'd overlook code structure as long as it makes sense
01:23:44FromDiscord<leorize> though sometimes I do have to go appeal the grades because the grader doesn't like things outta the mould
01:24:23FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> This guy is majorly unapproachable tbh, don't even see him at all, the lecturer I do see is kinda new and doesn't hold much power unfortunately but honestly it's not a problem bc I still had an overall good passing grade
01:24:40FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "though sometimes I do": Yeah I can imagine, it really does suck
01:25:12FromDiscord<leorize> the cool people usually teaches more advanced classes
01:26:02FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> That checks out, the CSIL (Comp Systems Internals & Linux) lecturer is rad
01:26:21FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I hate converting between binary hex and octal and having to show my working out though lolol
01:26:52FromDiscord<leorize> it really just means that you get to flex your muscles more as you advance in your degree \:p
01:27:44FromDiscord<leorize> lol I think the last time I had to do that was in HS
01:28:14FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> NA as in America, right? I assume your highschool is our college
01:31:27FromDiscord<leorize> yea
01:33:20FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> makes sense then, but it's still a bit weird
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06:17:24FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> https://github.com/nim-lang/nimony/issues/716#issuecomment-2705774369 don't wanna bother Araq or cluter the issue with my useless commentary, but i do wonder what mainness in the file name means, exactly
06:18:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I imagine something to indicate "This is an entry file and should not be imported"
06:21:22FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> hmmm fair enough
06:52:52FromDiscord<janakali> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "https://github.com/nim-lang/nimony/issues/716#issue": I imagine something like `hasmain_somemodule_63428.c`, so the cache would be invalid if there's multiple of those
07:12:26FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> that makes sense
07:33:11FromDiscord<monkey085395> hello, is Nim planning to have any projects in GSoC this year?
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08:29:16FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> i don't really think i need it but i might write my own version of packedsets which assumes a small ordinal with no holes and a fixed ordering (not sure if packedsets has this) so i could write a more efficient subset check (`for i in 0..<len(smaller.bitstrings): if smaller.bitstrings[i] > 0: if (smaller.bitstrings[i] and larger.bitstrings[i]) == smaller.bitstrings[i]: etc`) since packedsets seems like it would be doing m
08:38:36FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> im not sure if it would be possible to add that to std packedsets because of it's 35 or so array for small sets of stuff, and im not sure if it has a consistent order
08:39:19FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> but as is it has to check items one by one, vs that code snippet which would check 64 items at once
08:40:50FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> which as long as items tend to be clumpy in the seq of bitstrings, would be more efficient, but by doing all at once the cost of all 64 used vs only 1 is the same, just 1 needs to be done many more times
08:41:03FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> but i think i could manage that for my use case
08:41:17FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> so i might do that tomorrow
09:14:47FromDiscord<morgan (ping with reply)> also adding in byte offset checking, and maybe simd, would make it more efficient (byte offset checking means if there are bits in the last few of one bitstring and first few of the next, to shift the uint 64 over a few bytes so those can be done together in one check)
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10:08:29FromDiscord<zakharsmirnoff> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/KAwftYdz
10:08:47FromDiscord<zakharsmirnoff> (edit) "https://pasty.ee/WorxPPNp" => "https://pasty.ee/vQCCuXzl"
10:27:30FromDiscord<zakharsmirnoff> In reply to @zakharsmirnoff "Hello! I wanted to": Just tried it with puppy library and it works! Though puppy is not async, so maybe I would dig into puppy’s source code to find something
10:57:50FromDiscord<_nenc> The email system of the forum has been broken
10:57:59FromDiscord<_nenc> it should be fixed, but idk when
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11:47:56FromDiscord<janakali> @zakharsmirnoff https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/12690 , you can PM @pmunch, they will setup an account for you manually
11:56:10FromDiscord<zakharsmirnoff> In reply to @janakali "<@440427404024872960> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/": Thank you!
11:57:23FromDiscord<zakharsmirnoff> In reply to @zakharsmirnoff "Just tried it with": If anyone is interested, puppy obviously works because of native interop with obj-c. So the question still stands, why std/httpclient doesn’t work. I will continue on forum, thank you everyone
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12:16:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> @pmunch need help fixing forums email?
12:16:43FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> Or what is the problem btw?
12:38:21FromDiscord<pmunch> Mostly just organizational, so not much you can do to help.
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15:01:11FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> Is there a way to debug nims dynamic dispatch of methods?
15:03:12FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> I would like to dump the list of methods.
15:04:31FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> My problem: Somehow nim is not calling the childs method but the method of one of the parents, I really don't see why.
15:06:55FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> I expected that the same mechanism that is used in the runtime could be called for debugging.
15:11:19FromDiscord<grumblygibson> @chrisecker_46384↵Did you check the usual gremlins?↵- root parent should inherit from RootObj to enable OOP
15:17:03FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> Yes, it does.
15:21:38FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> Basically it goes like this:
15:21:49FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/PjgybfTB
15:22:55FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> So, my problem is MyWidget.handleKeyDownEvent is never called. The key press signal alsways goes to the parent methods.
15:25:46FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> The pControlKeyPressSignal receives the gtk event and then execution flow goes directly to control.handleKeyDownEvent
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15:38:59FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> OK, there must be a stupid mistake somewhere. I will have a break and then try it again ...
15:46:54FromDiscord<starkiller1493> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ZxkVqzDI
15:47:05FromDiscord<starkiller1493> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=osvFegUY" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=fRpMtSMA"
15:47:42FromDiscord<starkiller1493> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=mKrBWVUD" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=qjYaBQLA"
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15:48:05FromDiscord<starkiller1493> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=iKJgFovV" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=HdfosNPF"
15:48:29FromDiscord<starkiller1493> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=LXzreWdG" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=yarbQtNN"
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17:12:57FromDiscord<nixfreak> do I use config.nims to add multiple directories that have nim files to compile ?
17:12:59FromDiscord<nixfreak> how does that work
17:17:37Amun-Ramost common usage is adding search paths (ie. for tests)
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17:20:30Amun-Rayou don't have to add any dirs other than via import
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17:26:49FromDiscord<nixfreak> no I have multiple dirctories with nim files , I need to add path is it `nim c -r -p:./path_to_other_nim_files <file>.nim` ?
17:29:09FromDiscord<lainlaylie> yes both ways work
17:29:34Amun-Rajust add: switch "path", "$projectDir/sometpath" to config.nims
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17:35:55FromDiscord<nixfreak> ok cause I have nim.cfg and I add path = "." and its not working
17:37:27Amun-Rawhat's your project tree?
17:37:52Amun-Raif your have src/ and tests/
17:37:54FromDiscord<chrisecker_46384> OK, my problem is solved - no gremlins, only my stupidity. There were was another widget (which I did think of), the main widget was correctly derived from my new class another gave the wrong outputs. Greetings
17:39:25Amun-Raand have switch "path", "$projectDir/../src" in tests/config.nims you can import any file from src in tests just via import relative/path/in/src
17:39:58FromDiscord<nixfreak> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/qMdjIGjO
17:40:07Amun-Ranimxfreak: adding path = "." makes no sense - '.' is by default
17:40:25FromDiscord<nixfreak> File\: nim.cfg↵↵path = "."
17:40:46Amun-Ra"." won't be converted to an absolute path
17:41:05FromDiscord<nixfreak> ok , I have seen other repos do this
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17:41:57Amun-Rabtw, 0x01.nim is not a valid nim name
17:42:07FromDiscord<nixfreak> ok so basically put everything into a root directory
17:42:29Amun-Rauhm, no
17:44:29Amun-Ranixfreak: https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=bHTQKDkK
17:45:54Amun-Raofc normal relative imports like "import ../file2" apply
17:46:39FromDiscord<nixfreak> ok so I have to add all the paths first I see
17:46:40FromDiscord<nixfreak> thanks
17:47:25Amun-RaI hope not to the "path", to imports
17:51:48Amun-Raadd root project source directory to the path and operate on it like on /
17:57:07FromDiscord<jseb> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VsjxrFna
17:59:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `^0` is `-1`
18:02:39FromDiscord<jseb> aahhh ! Thank you
18:04:11FromDiscord<jseb> is ^ means something in nim, except « last element » ?
18:04:19FromDiscord<jseb> (edit) "is" => "does"
18:05:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> As a unary operator it's backwards index, which is offset by `a.len`
18:05:53FromDiscord<jseb> seems to be a sugar syntax for BackwardsIndex function
18:10:15FromDiscord<jseb> i'm not sure of what « BackwardsIndex » does exactly, though
18:11:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just a distinct integer that's used for `[](seq[T], BackwardsIndex)`
18:12:07FromDiscord<jseb> ah it's linked to array or seq, then
18:12:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No it's just a type that is used for them
18:13:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Types are types they have no links
18:14:21FromDiscord<jseb> ah it's a type, ok thank you for mentionning. That was worth to explore ^ , i had no idea of what it was
18:15:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well it's unary operator 😛
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20:23:00FromDiscord<thebiglebobsky_> im just starting to learn and i keep running into this error
20:23:21FromDiscord<thebiglebobsky_> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1348390724177231903/image.png?ex=67cf4a38&is=67cdf8b8&hm=3311e44da0da79b9168c4dda06cc195d3c3df6fa75e391cfd1fdf241dbb7c139&
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20:25:07FromDiscord<thebiglebobsky_> only fix is is del the orginal file
20:25:07FromDiscord<voajabo> In reply to @thebiglebobsky_ "": why is there a backslash after the file name?
20:25:25FromDiscord<voajabo> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1348391244107092139/image.png?ex=67cf4ab4&is=67cdf934&hm=716195c4ff3511fd96ec464b4c177832d1e7ca143c17b3456d8d61df92e0b0f3&
20:26:17FromDiscord<thebiglebobsky_> oh dam i look stupid i was pasting it with a backslash
20:26:22FromDiscord<thebiglebobsky_> lol
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20:49:36FromDiscord<kiloneie> I wouldn't use nim's module names for your folders if i were you, that NIM in the top left could cause problems.
21:12:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How?
21:12:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `import NIM/...` works just fine
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21:44:23FromDiscord<kiloneie> Wait, i was thinking module names with that one. Nevermind. I did the same thing.
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