<< 10-09-2022 >>
00:05:22FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "`var node = something.querySelector()`": ok???? But will that change the parents?
00:06:08FromDiscord<Patitotective> i really have no idea, ive never used xml before↵i suggest you to read the docs, source code and test things by yourself
00:07:55FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a50
00:08:06FromDiscord<Patitotective> perhaps it is some weird thing with templates (?)
00:08:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > return
00:08:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have return in your template
00:09:43FromDiscord<Patitotective> it doesnt return in the procedure it is called on ?
00:09:50FromDiscord<Patitotective> or it just breaks the template
00:09:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's the point
00:10:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `if not x.ok: return`
00:10:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How are you going to set `ok` if you're returning?
00:10:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dumb sentence
00:10:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How are you going to run `assert =result == (false, "")` if you're returning
00:11:47FromDiscord<Patitotective> i understand that but i dont understand why creating a `temp` variable suddenly doesnt trigger `if not x.ok: return`
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00:12:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well your template is done wrong in the first place
00:13:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/ZmL
00:13:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> remember that templates are lazily evaluated so `x` is pasted everywhere inside the template
00:13:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So in the first case you were getting a bunch of tokens, in the second case you were getting one
00:14:21FromDiscord<Patitotective> oooooh
00:14:23FromDiscord<Patitotective> yes
00:14:27FromDiscord<Patitotective> thanks 🧠
00:19:04FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "remember that templates are": i should tattoo this
00:20:55FromDiscord<! Nilts> Ive read the docs and can't figure out how to change add to the body tag oh html xml
00:23:39FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @not logged in "Ive read the docs": code?
00:24:32FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "code?": ? wyd↵i have a thing i wan't to add named `stylecont` and i wan't to add it to the page `xml`
00:25:22FromDiscord<Patitotective> can you give a minimal code example of the thing you can't do
00:26:20FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "can you give a": how, if i can't do it? like sudocode?
00:27:01FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> In reply to @not logged in "? wyd i have": what library are you working with
00:27:26FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Rainbow Asteroids "what library are you": std/xmltree? or nimquery
00:29:15FromDiscord<! Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a54
00:29:26FromDiscord<Patitotective> what type is `xml`?
00:32:48FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "what type is `xml`?": `.kind` got `xnElement`
00:33:40FromDiscord<Patitotective> https://nim-lang.org/docs/xmltree.html#add%2CXmlNode%2CXmlNode ?
00:34:48FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "https://nim-lang.org/docs/xmltree.html#add%2CXmlNod": thats not the problem, the problem is getting the body attached to the xml so that if i add to body it will add to body of xml
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00:35:21FromDiscord<Patitotective> https://nim-lang.org/docs/xmltree.html#child%2CXmlNode%2Cstring ?
00:35:49FromDiscord<! Nilts> YES, thanks
00:36:31FromDiscord<Patitotective> you really need to read the docs
00:36:40FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a56
00:37:09FromDiscord<! Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a57
00:37:16FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "you really need to": `SIGSEGV: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?)`
00:39:48FromDiscord<! Nilts> it can't seem to find body
00:41:41FromDiscord<Patitotective> ok
00:42:34FromDiscord<auxym> playground appears to be dead again.
00:43:48FromDiscord<auxym> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a58
00:44:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `N: static int`
00:45:11FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @not logged in "it can't seem to": It can never find body :(
00:45:34FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`N: static int`": ahh yeah. ty. 👍
00:45:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Typeclasses cannot have a `sizeof` though
00:45:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `CdcUnionDescriptor` is a typeclass that can be any size, so it shouldnt crash but should error
00:46:44FromDiscord<auxym> yeah makes sense. I agree with error instead of crash, I'll try and write up an issue if one doesn't exist yet (though it's a pretty minor bug)
00:47:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just make a bug fix
00:47:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I believe
00:48:36FromDiscord<auxym> yeah the compiler code base is scary D:
00:48:43FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a59
00:48:46FromDiscord<auxym> I never even built it from source actually
00:48:57FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> building the compiler is easy
00:48:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This isnt too hard though↵(@auxym)
00:49:37FromDiscord<auxym> might take a stab. is there instructions somewhere to build the compiler in debug and get a stack trace?
00:49:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `./koch temp c myCode.nim`
00:50:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> After building koch of course
00:50:13FromDiscord<auxym> ok
00:50:32FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/koch.html
00:50:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In this case it's likely just a simple `if n.typ in tyTypeclasses: ## write out error that you cannot use sizeof on a typeclass`
00:51:04FromDiscord<! Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a5a
00:58:45FromDiscord<! Nilts> ?
01:00:36FromDiscord<! Nilts> btw, is it just me or is play.nim-lang.org not working?
01:01:10FromDiscord<auxym> same here. @PMunch might need to reboot it?
01:05:39FromDiscord<! Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a5c
01:12:37FromDiscord<Patitotective> ill get tired of asking you to send some code
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01:45:38FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "ill get tired of": some or all? Your not telling me what code to send. I’m not the kind of person that instantly knows what people want from me
01:46:41FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @not logged in "some or all? Your": enough code to reproduce the problem
01:47:36FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "enough code to reproduce": 1 sec
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01:51:29FromDiscord<! Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a5g
01:52:11FromDiscord<Patitotective> i thought you were using std/xmltree
01:53:37FromDiscord<Patitotective> the issue is that `nimquery` uses `std/xmltree.XmlNode` while `querySelectorAll` wants `fusion/htmlparser/xmltree.XmlNode`
01:53:40FromDiscord<Patitotective> i guess
01:54:51FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/h49
01:58:20FromDiscord<! Nilts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a5i
01:58:43FromDiscord<Patitotective> then you cannot use nimquery
02:00:21FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Patitotective "then you cannot use": is there an alternative?
02:01:17FromDiscord<Patitotective> you could fork nimquery to support fusion
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02:22:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Girvo\: so wasm3 is kinda cursed, but it works 😄
02:22:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1017983414927896686/image.png
02:23:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes instead of using object variants in an array to call a procedure it uses a `ptr pointer`
02:34:18FromDiscord<Raynei486> is nim a sane alternative to shell script?
02:34:32FromDiscord<Raynei486> I want to throw something together but I'm not really good at python or shell
02:34:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I use Nim a lot for oneoff things since it's more comfortable and less error prone
02:35:03FromDiscord<Esther> It definitely can be, but it depends where you want to run it
02:35:59FromDiscord<Patitotective> the hardest part of the kdl implementation is going to be to pass the test suite since it needs to fulfill the _translation rules_ https://github.com/kdl-org/kdl/tree/main/tests#translation-rules
02:36:23FromDiscord<Esther> In reply to @Esther "It definitely can be,": If you’re able to install nim to the computer without much fuss then yeah go for it :shrug:
02:36:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > Any duplicate properties must be removed, with only the rightmost one remaining. This also means duplicate properties must be allowed.
02:36:34FromDiscord<Raynei486> In reply to @Esther "It definitely can be,": well it's just going to be on my own computer
02:36:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why... is this allowed, like the fuck
02:36:49FromDiscord<Raynei486> ah alright 👍
02:36:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Duplicate properties should be a error
02:37:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If only the latest property is the correct one you have a very error prone system
02:37:41madpropswhat's the best kept secret programming language?
02:37:57FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "> Any duplicate properties": i dont get those two sentences, like are they removed or are they allowed?
02:38:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> God damn it
02:38:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a5p
02:38:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Duplicates are allowed but the most recent one is preferred afaict
02:38:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Which means in the above `a.foo == 100`
02:38:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So this is a very error prone format
02:39:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The format says "Users can type multiple fields, but the the spec only cares about the last entry"
02:39:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> so `a foo = 100 foo = 300 foo = 500` is valid and then `foo == 500` afaict
02:39:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> but it should be printed `foo = 500`
02:40:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait what they're not culled?
02:43:31FromDiscord<Patitotective> ill create a discussion :]
02:43:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems nodes arent culled but fields are...?
02:44:18FromDiscord<Patitotective> you mean that there can be multiple nodes with the same name? yes
02:44:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This seems like error prone the langauge
02:45:17FromDiscord<Patitotective> well, kdl is a little xml like, so instead of tags you use nodes
02:45:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh it's not queried like json then
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02:51:47FromDiscord<Patitotective> here are some examples of KDL https://github.com/kdl-org/kdl/tree/main/examples
02:59:07FromDiscord<Patitotective> 🌃
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04:45:48FromDiscord<Boston> In reply to @madprops "what's the best kept": Forth
04:46:23FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> min > forth
04:47:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> mn \> min
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05:49:37FromDiscord<Prestige> Not being able to have recursive imports is really annoying
05:50:54FromDiscord<Prestige> Just spending a bunch of time trying to figure out how to organize things so it will work, without putting all my code in one file
05:53:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just use closure procedures and cry 😛
05:54:01FromDiscord<vestel> In reply to @Avahe "Just spending a bunch": You have
05:54:21FromDiscord<vestel> They are just somewhat limited
05:54:30FromDiscord<Prestige> Very limited
05:54:59FromDiscord<vestel> Then use include?
05:55:25FromDiscord<Prestige> Even that complains for some reason
05:55:49FromDiscord<Prestige> and then editing the code that is included throws a bunch of editor errors because of code/types that the file isn't aware of
05:56:57FromDiscord<Prestige> I guess putting everything in one file is the only way... just sucks because it could've been so nicely organized
05:58:04FromDiscord<vestel> Had simillar problem
05:59:03FromDiscord<vestel> But composition solves them all
05:59:14FromDiscord<vestel> Not sure about your case but still
06:04:29FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah won't help in my case
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08:10:03FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @Avahe "Just spending a bunch": you can have recursive staggered import.
08:10:52FromDiscord<mratsim> use "from file import X" and just this X in the middle of your file
08:12:58FromDiscord<ravinder387> In reply to @Avahe "<@&371760044473319454>": ho how are you which framework u use in nim
08:23:45FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6g
08:24:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Make untag a template and do all the nim required pointer code
08:25:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `cast[pointer](cast[uint](myPtr) and 0xfffffffc)` is valid
08:26:32FromDiscord<sOkam!> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Make untag a template": why template and not proc? any specifics?
08:26:47FromDiscord<sOkam!> never used a template before, so don't know their benefits over procs
08:26:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I just assumed given the C source that they wanted it to always be inlined
08:27:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A proc annotated with the `{.inline.}` pragma would likely do the same
08:27:13FromDiscord<sOkam!> ic
08:29:15FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6h
08:29:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd drop `result =` but yea
08:29:53FromDiscord<sOkam!> how do you apply it otherwise? `p=` ?
08:30:27FromDiscord<aruZeta> result is non necessary when what's being returned is the last expression of a proc
08:30:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim has expressions, all statements can be expressions
08:30:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> as such if you just remove `result =` it compiles
08:30:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> also `var ptr Header` are you sure that's what you want?
08:31:17FromDiscord<sOkam!> i thought thats what the macro is doing
08:31:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it'd be `ptr Header`
08:31:42FromDiscord<sOkam!> untagging in place, and assigning to bp
08:32:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sure but you can jusut do `while (bp = untag(bp.nex); bp) != usedp` 😄
08:32:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume untag is used in otherplaces
08:32:57FromDiscord<sOkam!> i don't follow that example 🤔
08:33:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim allows expressions
08:33:30FromDiscord<sOkam!> yeah, but either you are missing parenthesis or im dummie
08:33:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nope
08:34:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `(bp = untag(bp.next); bp)` returns `bp` after calling `bp = untag(bp.next)`
08:34:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But really i'd just make a iterator
08:34:22FromDiscord<aruZeta> it's like := in python i think?
08:34:27FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) ":=" => "`:=`"
08:34:29FromDiscord<sOkam!> so then there is one missing parenthesis at the end after usedp
08:34:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
08:34:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim doesnt need parenthesis
08:36:06FromDiscord<sOkam!> ah, so its actually missing two, not one, and they are omitted. k my bad
08:36:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not missing any
08:36:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That was Nim code not C code
08:36:26FromDiscord<sOkam!> it would, in C
08:36:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It wouldnt compile in C
08:37:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or i doubt it would
08:38:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token` 😄
08:38:06FromDiscord<sOkam!> so why go with that (...; bp) route, instead of the var?
08:38:18FromDiscord<sOkam!> i didn't catch the reason
08:38:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont know when `untag` was used
08:38:41FromDiscord<sOkam!> but isn't the macro editing in place?
08:38:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The macro isnt mutating anything
08:38:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hence the `bp =`
08:39:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just returning the bitwise and between that constant and the pointer as an unsigned integer
08:39:56FromDiscord<sOkam!> isn't casting to uint and anding with that value... editing? or am i missing some syntax detail there
08:40:45FromDiscord<sOkam!> if you expand that, the math would be done to the pointer directly, wouldn't it?
08:41:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It'd be done to the pointer but pointers are just integers
08:41:21FromDiscord<sOkam!> or would that need some type of p = untag(whatever) instead?
08:41:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6k
08:41:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Mutate `a`?
08:42:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Mutation requires dereferencing the pointer, or field access or some assignment operator
08:42:55FromDiscord<sOkam!> ic
08:43:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can bitwise and a pointer until the heat death of the universe, it will not mutate the pointer 😄
08:43:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Think of pointers as just integers
08:43:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause that's really what they are, they're just distinct integers
08:45:14FromDiscord<sOkam!> can you do `p:pointer = 1234; p & 0xFFFF`?
08:45:31FromDiscord<sOkam!> (edit) "0xFFFF`?" => "0xFFFF`in nim?↵or does it demand the uint cast before?"
08:45:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You need the cast
08:46:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6m
08:47:22FromDiscord<enthus1ast> there is this\: https://github.com/kaushalmodi/ptr_math
08:47:31FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6n
08:47:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well then use that one
08:47:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Those still are just cuints
08:47:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> rather uints 😄
08:48:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `cast[uint](p) and not(uint 3)`
08:48:36FromDiscord<demotomohiro> How about to use https://github.com/kaushalmodi/ptr_math?
08:48:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Enthus that module doesnt have any bitwise operators
08:49:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This GC implementation uses bitwise operators for the logic
08:49:58FromDiscord<sOkam!> looks like a really handy link, even if i cannot use the lib directly, since the goal is more about understanding than implementing
08:52:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well it also doesnt really help
08:52:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just about using `ptr T` instead of `ptr UncheckedArray[T]`
08:54:24FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6o
08:54:53FromDiscord<Rika> Directly is fine
08:58:00FromDiscord<sOkam!> are the basic operators defined for `object` types?↵i assume they arent, and im gonna have to implement them?
08:58:42FromDiscord<sOkam!> like, if i do `object != object`, does nim know how to do that?
08:59:08FromDiscord<sOkam!> (edit) "`object" => "`myObject" | "object`," => "myObject`,"
08:59:30FromDiscord<Rika> No
08:59:42FromDiscord<Rika> Unless you define ==
09:00:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `==` is defined
09:00:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Other than that of course not
09:00:34FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Default `==` for object type do `==` for each fields.
09:00:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So yes it does but it might not be what you want
09:01:09FromDiscord<Rika> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1018083697167183882/0FD28970-701D-43AE-A35C-17BD81B52F88.jpg
09:01:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fuck that file name looks like a steam key
09:01:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1018083787575394364/image.png
09:02:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Rika just say you were thinking of object variants
09:03:04FromDiscord<Rika> I’m no liar
09:05:10FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6t
09:05:47FromDiscord<sOkam!> i assume im gonna have to change the first bp to cast[uint](bp) to be able to do the `+`... but what about the ==?
09:09:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have to cast all types to be equivlent or make operators that work on types that differ like ptr math does
09:12:15FromDiscord<sOkam!> what does nim do to when asked `ptr myObject == ptr myObject`?
09:12:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Compares pointers
09:12:44FromDiscord<sOkam!> then it should be an issue, right? since that's what this is doing after all
09:13:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue what you mean
09:13:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It being 3am means i shouldnt speak further
09:19:31FromDiscord<sOkam!> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6x
09:21:13FromDiscord<mratsim> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a6z
09:37:33FromDiscord<sOkam!> In reply to @mratsim "just echo them with": they seem to be the same address, yep
09:43:25FromDiscord<jmgomez> Is there a way to quickly test if some AST is correct?
09:49:41FromDiscord<Rika> Put it under macros.dump or whatever it’s called?
09:49:57FromDiscord<jmgomez> I mean for PNodes
09:50:32FromDiscord<jmgomez> like renderTree is outputing correct nim but it isnt actually correct, and I dont know that until the compiler is compiled again
10:09:24FromDiscord<jmgomez> Maybe I can use the van for that?
10:09:39FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "van" => "VM "
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10:43:14NimEventerNew thread by Wys: Nim compiler options for Z80 C compiler?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9456
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12:30:29FromDiscord<whisper> Is nitter the biggest mainstream Nim app out there?
12:32:22FromDiscord<Rika> i would say so, yes
12:35:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @whisper "Is nitter the biggest": by user count I'd say so
12:35:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> unless some big company is using Nim in secret for their production apps :)
12:57:37FromDiscord<ricky> does nim have a robust llvm-ir toolchain?
12:57:59FromDiscord<ricky> i gotta update my heap spraya
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12:59:04FromDiscord<Rika> idk if you'd call nlvm robust
12:59:09FromDiscord<Rika> its up to your definition
13:01:21FromDiscord<Boston> I plan on writing at least one (1) nim app for our employees to use,but we're only a company of ~50
13:01:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Rictus "i gotta update my": there's also clang which can output LLVM IR, but i don't know what exactly do you want to do
13:02:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Boston "I plan on writing": add it to https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Organizations-using-Nim if you're allowed to then :) it's still a small list because not everyone wants to add stuff to it
13:03:11FromDiscord<Boston> I'll try, my end goal is to do our embedded development in nim, however the other engineer does not know nim or have plans to learn it
13:04:18FromDiscord<auxym> cool, there's a few people who use nim professionally for embedded in the embedded channel
13:04:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> #embedded
13:06:02FromDiscord<ricky> In reply to @Yardanico "there's also clang which": make some `evil bits`
13:06:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> ?
13:06:09FromDiscord<ricky> :nimAngry:
13:20:01FromDiscord<auxym> #security ?
13:33:47FromDiscord<auxym> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a8s
13:37:09FromDiscord<Rika> `func initSomeObj[N]` -> `func initSomeObj[N: static int]`?
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13:52:30FromDiscord<auxym> yeah that works in this minimal example but not in my real code. ugh. lemme get a better minimal example
14:00:07FromDiscord<auxym> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a8y
14:00:38FromDiscord<auxym> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a8A
14:02:11FromDiscord<Rika> you dont have the generic params in `let u = initCdcUnionDescriptor([2, 3])`
14:02:27FromDiscord<Rika> `...tor[2]([2...`?
14:04:37FromDiscord<auxym> oh actually in that case I needed the `'u8` literal and the generic param on the return type. But still doesn't work in my code 🥲
14:05:00FromDiscord<auxym> ...generics don't produce the best error messages do they
14:05:15FromDiscord<Rika> They’re okay somewhat
14:06:09FromDiscord<auxym> ok got it I think. need to put the `[N]` param everywhere except when calling the init func
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15:04:33FromDiscord<retkid> is there any libraries that will make an ascii game easier to make
15:04:36FromDiscord<retkid> in nim?
15:05:23FromDiscord<Rika> illwill?
15:08:23FromDiscord<retkid> illwill is like
15:08:43FromDiscord<retkid> it helps with the keyboard but not really rendering
15:09:07FromDiscord<Rika> you said ascii game so i assumed it was tui
15:09:15FromDiscord<Rika> why not rendering>?
15:09:21FromDiscord<retkid> rendering as tui
15:12:40FromDiscord<Rika> yeah why doesnt it help with tui rendering
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16:12:54FromDiscord<Rika> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9v
16:13:53FromDiscord<Rika> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9w
16:14:22FromDiscord<Rika> more specifically `.../lib/pure/math.nim(1154, 8) Error: cannot generate VM code for y` which points to the `^` proc ofc,
16:18:15FromDiscord<Rika> please ping when you reply if you dont mind, i will be off for a significant amount of time
16:31:43FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9A
16:32:03FromDiscord<Rika> see generic part i mentioned
16:32:07FromDiscord<Rika> in the comment
16:32:09FromDiscord<aruZeta> ah my bad
16:32:11FromDiscord<aruZeta> sry
16:33:17FromDiscord<aruZeta> i guess you are using the generic as `bits` ?
16:33:36FromDiscord<Rika> the generic is not related to the field, its there for another field i removed
16:33:53FromDiscord<aruZeta> ah ok
16:34:16FromDiscord<aruZeta> ok now I see the err
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16:36:24FromDiscord<4zv4l> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9B
16:38:21FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9C
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16:42:29FromDiscord<Rika> Yes but why is it an issue
16:44:43FromDiscord<aruZeta> that's what I'm wondering
16:47:29FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9J
16:48:45FromDiscord<aruZeta> `cannot generate VM code for ==` huuuh
16:49:02FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "`cannot generate VM code for ==` huuuh ... " added "(if you change the previous case with an if)"
16:49:21FromDiscord<4zv4l> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9L
16:50:30FromDiscord<aruZeta> the thing is, why does this work when there is no generic?
16:51:48FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9M
16:52:36FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9M" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9N"
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16:52:54FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9N" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9O"
16:53:04FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9P
16:55:08FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9Q
16:56:00FromDiscord<Rika> ???
16:56:05FromDiscord<Rika> Beef pls
16:56:11FromDiscord<Rika> I raise white flag
16:56:57FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9S
16:57:16FromDiscord<aruZeta> or at least it compiles
16:58:12FromDiscord<aruZeta> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9T
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17:05:09FromDiscord<4zv4l> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4a9V
17:38:53FromDiscord<dain> is there datastructure in the stdlib that's like a set except it only stores the hashes rather than the values
17:39:07FromDiscord<dain> i only need to see whether i've encountered a value before, i don't need to retrieve it
17:40:56FromDiscord<aruZeta> a hashset? https://nim-lang.org/docs/sets.html#HashSet
17:41:03FromDiscord<dain> hashset stores the value
17:41:19FromDiscord<aruZeta> mm
17:41:49FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "mm" => "mmm"
17:41:49FromDiscord<aruZeta> yh right
17:42:13FromDiscord<dain> i suppose i could just manually hash it and then store it in the hashset, although that would do a hash of the hash and be slightly inefficient
17:42:20FromDiscord<aruZeta> what about a `seq[Hash]`
17:42:36FromDiscord<dain> In reply to @aruZeta "what about a `seq[Hash]`": i need O(1) lookup, that would be O(n)
17:42:44FromDiscord<aruZeta> hmm
17:47:13FromDiscord<domosokrat> How do you know that different values will have different hashes?
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17:48:06FromDiscord<domosokrat> otherwise you need the value to detect if you've encountered the value before
17:48:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/intsets.html↵(@dain)
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17:49:24FromDiscord<dain> In reply to @domosokrat "How do you know": because a hash function definitionally gives different values for different inputs
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17:49:44FromDiscord<dain> (ignoring vanishingly small probability of collisions)
17:49:45FromDiscord<domosokrat> nope
17:50:14FromDiscord<dain> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://nim-lang.org/docs/intsets.html (<@225449938": i need it for strings
17:50:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So what?
17:50:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hash the string and add it to the set
17:50:36FromDiscord<domosokrat> there have been attacks against web sites using hash collisions
17:52:01FromDiscord<dain> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Hash the string and": yeah i guess that would work
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17:53:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aa6
17:53:14FromDiscord<dain> does intset work for large integers. i know that you can only use bitsets for small ints. or does it work equally well over the whole 64bit integer range
17:53:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a sparse bit set that works with the entire range
17:53:43FromDiscord<! Nilts> Can someone recommend a html query lib for nim that supports fusion xml?
18:03:13FromDiscord<4zv4l> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaa
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18:04:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> var T is unsafe to pass across threads so it prevents you
18:04:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It needs to be `ptr T` and you also need to ensure the lifetime of the sequence outlives the creation of the thread
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18:17:33FromDiscord<4zv4l> So using addr and ptr it should work ? Thanks !
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18:58:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @not logged in "Can someone recommend a": you can just patch it yourself if you specifically need the fusion version
18:58:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> since it should behave the same regarding the APIs
18:58:39FromDiscord<! Nilts> In reply to @Yardanico "since it should behave": ok
20:20:15FromDiscord<bung87 (Bung)> does http request multipart headers only have Content-Disposition and Content-Type ?
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21:40:28FromDiscord<xzntrc> the git server I was writing my shell on went down
21:40:31FromDiscord<xzntrc> so it's time to start again :(
21:45:01FromDiscord<aruZeta> f
21:45:22FromDiscord<aruZeta> don't you have a local repo on your machine?
21:45:31FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) removed "you"
21:49:23FromDiscord<xzntrc> nope. It was hosted on a git server that has now been banned by cloudflare
21:49:51FromDiscord<Prestige> Why would cloudflare ban it?
21:51:22FromDiscord<Yardanico> and besides, cloudflare isn't the one actually hosting the server
21:51:30FromDiscord<xzntrc> Yeah ik
21:51:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> your situation sounds really really strange
21:51:42FromDiscord<xzntrc> but recently Cloudflare has banned a few sites
21:52:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes, but how would that affect you, just access the website without cloudflare or ask the admin directly
21:52:10FromDiscord<xzntrc> Apparently they need cloudflare
21:52:10FromDiscord<aruZeta> In reply to @Yardanico "your situation sounds really": very sus
21:52:29FromDiscord<xzntrc> there was a 10GBPS+ DDoS on the server last night apparently
21:52:36FromDiscord<xzntrc> once they tried it without cloudflare
21:52:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> what git hosting is it?
21:52:49FromDiscord<xzntrc> KiwiGit
21:52:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> and can't you ask the dev directly
21:53:29FromDiscord<xzntrc> I actually have no idea who that would be.
21:53:35FromDiscord<xzntrc> https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/
21:53:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> for real though, in the future, if you want to host something on a git server online, use "traditional" ones
21:53:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> there are a lot of smaller git hostings
21:53:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> like repo.or.cz
21:53:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> or sr.ht
21:53:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> or just self-host on a VPS or at home
21:53:50FromDiscord<xzntrc> I regret using their git now. All of my git repos are gone now
21:54:02FromDiscord<aruZeta> just use git(hub/lab)
21:54:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, the point of git is that you can store it in multiple places
21:54:08FromDiscord<huantian> Why were you using kiwigit??
21:54:17FromDiscord<Yardanico> no clue why didn't you store it locally, but yeah I guess that's too bad
21:54:30FromDiscord<aruZeta> ^^
21:55:00FromDiscord<xzntrc> I did but I reset my PC a bit before it was banned.
21:55:06FromDiscord<aruZeta> when I changed laptop I even moved my `/GitRepos` folder from one to another lol
21:55:13FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "folder" => "dir"
21:55:28FromDiscord<huantian> I’ve seen the tweets about the stuff happening on kiwi farms tho, kinda sketch but this is not the time or place
21:55:38FromDiscord<huantian> Moral of the story is don’t trust others with your data
21:56:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah, git is built in such a way that you can easily host your git repo on multiple git hostings
21:56:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> just have multiple remotes and push to all
21:56:11FromDiscord<Yardanico> really easy
21:56:14FromDiscord<xzntrc> In reply to @huantian "Why were you using": cus was working on a repo with my friend and he refused to use github.
21:56:17FromDiscord<xzntrc> So we used kiwigti
21:56:18FromDiscord<Prestige> I wish self-hosting my own email wasn't a total PITA
21:56:20FromDiscord<xzntrc> (edit) "kiwigti" => "kiwigit"
21:56:25FromDiscord<aruZeta> In reply to @Yardanico "just have multiple remotes": or even mirrors
21:56:29FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @xzntrc "cus was working on": There’s so many alternatives tho
21:56:34FromDiscord<Prestige> gitea is a great self-hosting option btw
21:56:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @aruZeta "or even mirrors": mirrors require more setup
21:56:38FromDiscord<aruZeta> In reply to @Avahe "I wish self-hosting my": same
21:56:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> and not all git hostings support it
21:56:44FromDiscord<huantian> Like gitlab codeburg
21:56:54FromDiscord<Prestige> I can't stand gitlab's UI
21:57:08FromDiscord<xzntrc> without getting into too much detail. this repo we made was removed from Github and Gitlab
21:57:14FromDiscord<huantian> I’d say it’s just fine
21:57:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @xzntrc "without getting into too": surely it wasn't malware? :)
21:57:20FromDiscord<xzntrc> so we had to move to another git service.
21:57:22FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "I’d say it’s just fine ... " added "gitlab looks ok"
21:57:26FromDiscord<xzntrc> In reply to @Yardanico "surely it wasn't malware?": Nah ofcourse not.
21:57:41FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @xzntrc "so we had to": If it was that sketch maybe you should’ve just self hosted it lol
21:57:44FromDiscord<Prestige> You're allowed to host "malware" on github afaik
21:57:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Avahe "You're allowed to host": yes
21:58:00FromDiscord<aruZeta> not even hent repos are removed
21:58:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> but github still removes stuff sometimes, like PoCs for exploits
21:58:14FromDiscord<aruZeta> (edit) "hent" => "hent-related"
21:58:26FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @aruZeta "not even hent**-related repos": Well that’s a keyword I’m not searching
21:58:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting for some choices
21:58:31FromDiscord<Prestige> Tbh like if it's not illegal they shouldn't remove it imo
21:58:46FromDiscord<aruZeta> In reply to @huantian "Well that’s a keyword": same, it's not like I wanted to search it either
21:58:47FromDiscord<Prestige> self hosting the only real solution
21:58:52FromDiscord<xzntrc> yeah I just signed up for https://git.coom.tech but that means I have to still move my stuff over
21:58:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> ???
21:59:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> why do you use another random unknown git hosting that will go down tomorrow
21:59:20FromDiscord<aruZeta> In reply to @aruZeta "same, it's not like": I found smthing like an AI to uncensor and the like, wtaf
21:59:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> do you actually want to lose your data
22:00:02FromDiscord<xzntrc> well the repo that we previously had went down from GitHub due to hatespeech so we had to move to something freer
22:00:05FromDiscord<huantian> Dude if your content is sketch enough not to be on actual trusted git servers just self host
22:00:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @xzntrc "well the repo that": again, check the list I gave you
22:00:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> the world doesn't stop on GitHub
22:00:58FromDiscord<xzntrc> it seems like coom.tech is down now tooi
22:00:59FromDiscord<xzntrc> (edit) "tooi" => "too"
22:01:00FromDiscord<xzntrc> ffs
22:01:04FromDiscord<aruZeta> coom
22:01:07FromDiscord<aruZeta> bruh
22:01:09FromDiscord<huantian> But I don’t mainframe hatespeech(?) projects so I wouldn’t know ig
22:01:17FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "mainframe" => "maintain"
22:01:21FromDiscord<xzntrc> yeah understansable
22:01:24FromDiscord<xzntrc> (edit) "understansable" => "understandable"
22:02:50FromDiscord<xzntrc> codeberg is off the table now i guess
22:03:14FromDiscord<xzntrc> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1018280516736262175/unknown.png
22:03:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> and why you can't just self-host with your friend?
22:03:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> a 3 euro VPS on hetzner is enough
22:03:52FromDiscord<xzntrc> wanted to make it a public repo but didn't wanna get DDoSed
22:03:54FromDiscord<huantian> My advice would be to not do sketchy things on the internet :P
22:04:02FromDiscord<aruZeta> ^^
22:04:03FromDiscord<xzntrc> wanted to host it so people could edit
22:04:10FromDiscord<xzntrc> If I have it on my own server then it wouldn't have public accounts
22:04:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> you can zip the whole git repo and share it as a file through popular file hostings, the repo will still have the whole git history
22:04:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> and since it's not "open source" anyway
22:04:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "and since it's not "open source" anyway ... " added "you don't need to care about PRs and stuff"
22:04:49FromDiscord<xzntrc> That works
22:05:01FromDiscord<xzntrc> I guess I could also encrypt it too each time
22:05:04FromDiscord<Prestige> can you get a vps
22:05:13FromDiscord<xzntrc> nah im too pore
22:05:14FromDiscord<xzntrc> (edit) "pore" => "poor"
22:05:33FromDiscord<Prestige> it's like $3/mo
22:05:35FromDiscord<Prestige> or something
22:05:48FromDiscord<Prestige> cancel one of your onlyfans subs
22:05:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> well Hetzner isn't exactly good for "shady" stuff either
22:06:06FromDiscord<Yardanico> they're in German jurisdiction, and they take all abuse reports very seriously
22:06:15FromDiscord<huantian> I don’t think it’s “shady” I think it’s just shady
22:06:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> but they are one of the cheapest VPS/dedicated quality hostings
22:13:49FromDiscord<xzntrc> im australian too
22:13:55FromDiscord<xzntrc> so im not hosting that on my server
22:18:40FromDiscord<EyeCon> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaO
22:18:51FromDiscord<dain> general question about the implementation of `toSeq`: why is it so complicated? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-6/lib/pure/collections/sequtils.nim#L818↵↵i.e. why do we need to have the `toSeq1`, `toSeq2`, and then the two other ways of doing it in the if statement
22:19:05FromDiscord<dain> are those just all micro-optimizations, or is it actually semantically necessary to do it in four different ways
22:19:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @EyeCon "I use jsony all": since it's a template you don't need to pass a proc to it
22:19:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You dont even need the template
22:20:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> well the intent is to not repeat the same `parseHook` every time, or maybe not to burden with when branches
22:20:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> or am I missing another way?
22:20:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaP
22:20:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah you mean generics
22:20:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> true :)
22:20:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `v: var StringConvertible` should be it
22:20:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That should be more specific then the builtin jsony hook
22:20:46FromDiscord<EyeCon> In reply to @Yardanico "since it's a template": You mean, just use `untyped`?
22:20:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah, but Beef's solution is also good
22:21:55FromDiscord<EyeCon> Isn't it better to have the parameter typed to have it type-checked?
22:22:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> i was talking about not using a proc at all
22:22:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> just passing the code body
22:23:13FromDiscord<EyeCon> Ah, I see
22:23:16FromDiscord<EyeCon> Thank you both!
22:23:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaQ
22:24:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> and in the body you access the `str` just normally
22:24:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> this is still just generics with extra steps thouhg
22:24:28FromDiscord<EyeCon> Does this work if my convertFromString is more than one expression?
22:24:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Elegantbeef "this is still just": yeah I guess, but it won't need an extra proc :)
22:24:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @EyeCon "Does this work if": ah, yeah, to make it a block Iguess
22:24:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) " Iguess" => "I guess"
22:24:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> or maybe it works ootb, lemme check
22:25:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It'll work ootb if it's an expression afaik
22:25:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaR
22:25:34FromDiscord<EyeCon> Amazing, ty
22:25:56FromDiscord<EyeCon> In reply to @Elegantbeef "this is still just": I'll learn concepts one day just for you 😄
22:26:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean they're pretty simple
22:26:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They're user defined duck types
22:26:36FromDiscord<EyeCon> Are they stable though? I think there was some talk to stabilize them
22:26:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They do work
22:26:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue what you mean by stable
22:27:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They might have some bugs, but they generally work
22:27:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> depending on one's views no features in Nim can be called stable :P
22:27:50FromDiscord<EyeCon> In reply to @Yardanico "depending on one's views": That's of course true, it's just a matter of definition
22:27:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What nim isnt 300 layers of unstable ground
22:28:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I heavily use concepts for code that can use concepts
22:28:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaS
22:29:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> we heard you like concepts, so we write concepts that use code that uses concepts
22:29:44FromDiscord<EyeCon> Does the name `wasmt` do something here? Do you use it in some way?
22:32:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `concept name` binds a variable of the type to `name`
22:32:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> so inside the concept usage of `wasmt` is taken as a variable type'd to the checking type
22:33:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `type WT` binds WT to said type
22:33:42FromDiscord<EyeCon> That I got, but in this case the name is irrelevant as you don't check the bound `wasmt`
22:33:47FromDiscord<EyeCon> ...right?
22:34:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> correct
22:34:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's just a habit
22:34:12FromDiscord<EyeCon> Does it work without it?
22:34:28FromDiscord<EyeCon> Like `... = concept type WT`?
22:36:22FromDiscord<mratsim> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4aaT
22:48:49FromDiscord<dain> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4aaV
22:49:11FromDiscord<dain> like when we use implicit result variable, how does the compiler know how to initialize it
23:11:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's 0 initialised always↵(@dain)
23:13:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> All of Nim's non `ref` variant collections work from a 0 init'd state now
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