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00:56:34FromDiscord<la_wea> what https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161104954723930112/image.png?ex=65371641&is=6524a141&hm=8415a2a726a03e79524f0b5b6d2cfebf4964db1fef0fd4d2f233af7d83980245&
00:56:58FromDiscord<la_wea> But it reaturns an object. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161105052312809573/image.png?ex=65371658&is=6524a158&hm=080190e257dd87be382d211b2404f9e69e257028ebb90a368ed878f8fb6586ad&
00:57:42FromDiscord<la_wea> Also I noticed that Nim doesn't like recursive imports.
00:59:11FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @la_wea "what": Object constructors use : as parameter name separators, use = instead for prove
00:59:16FromDiscord<odexine> (edit) "prove" => "procedures"
00:59:39FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @la_wea "Also I noticed that": There’s a certain way to perform circular imports
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01:01:39FromDiscord<la_wea> In reply to @odexine "There’s a certain way": Will you explain that to me?
01:02:08FromDiscord<la_wea> Because I kind of don't like having `Status` mixed with `Player`.
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01:06:11FromDiscord<odexine> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4IDs
01:08:32FromDiscord<la_wea> Thisis the thing: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161107963667304499/image.png?ex=6537190e&is=6524a40e&hm=98c31a69c00d8647281e00d21594982f762bd4dafeb4956c6cd4f14805f91486&
01:08:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/nimtrest/wiki/Code-snippets#delayed-imports
01:08:36FromDiscord<la_wea> (edit) "Thisis" => "This is"
01:09:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have a cyclical type there is no way of separating them
01:09:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can technically make Player generic and use generic instantiation as a form of dependency injection
01:09:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But that's bleh
01:09:43FromDiscord<odexine> Many Nim programmers put types in one module
01:09:56FromDiscord<la_wea> Hmm...
01:09:58FromDiscord<la_wea> Interesting.
01:10:20FromDiscord<la_wea> So I should have some sort of ".hpp" for all types but Nim-ish.
01:13:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also don't use string imports
01:14:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> also don't call a proc that returns a value type `newT`
01:14:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The later is of course a convention, but when in rome
01:42:04FromDiscord<la_wea> Ok, I'll try to do that.
02:01:01FromDiscord<user2m> anyone ever use this library? https://mantielero.github.io/VapourSynth.nim/docs/getting-started/intro/
02:01:27FromDiscord<user2m> https://github.com/mantielero/VapourSynth.nim
02:07:08FromDiscord<la_wea> No.
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03:31:30FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Is it possible to convert PNG to RGBA?
03:31:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Of course
03:32:32FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Of course": Could you help point me in the right direction?
03:32:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pixie would work
03:33:09FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Ok thanks!
03:54:50NimEventerNew thread by JustinWayland: Having trouble initializing my parser, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10541
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04:17:17NimEventerNew Nimble package! webidl2nim - webidl to Nim bindings generator, see https://github.com/ASVIEST/webidl2nim
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06:59:42NimEventerNew post on r/nim by TheOnChainGeek: Hot Code Reload compiler problems, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/174etrb/hot_code_reload_compiler_problems/
07:35:33FromDiscord<JJ> what might be the idiomatic way to transform an iterator into a seq, in order to map on it?
07:38:21FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> `toSeq`, no?
07:42:34FromDiscord<JJ> ah, right, of course. forgot it was a template, ty
07:43:21FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> No worries aba
07:43:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Aha
08:21:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I just realised sysrand is obviously blocking IO but my ULID library allows for asynchronous IO reading, not too sure if I should do anything about that or not
08:21:44FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Asynchronous ULID generation not async IO reading
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08:48:34FromDiscord<ricky._.spanish> is there any nim nfs server library?
09:04:39FromDiscord<ringabout> It's super confusing to me. Is there someone who is familiar with `gh` and `hub` to upload releases can help me with this PR? https://github.com/nim-lang/nightlies/pull/74/files ↵Is this right to migrate from hub to gh?
09:19:23FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I've just PRed what should hopefully be the last PR of mine to the packages repo for Nimble, added the docs into all my libs :)
09:57:46Amun-Racan I hide a module from appearing in html?
09:59:12Amun-RaI mean I'd like an internal single file module not to appear in html documentation
10:50:48NimEventerNew thread by ploxotnuj1: Помогите пожалуйста с ошибкой!, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10542
10:52:49NimEventerNew thread by ploxotnuj1: help fix the error please, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10543
12:10:15FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I just realised sysrand": mmmmh, it's not though? it should use the non-blocking char device
12:11:19FromDiscord<mratsim> also on Windows/MacOS/Linux there is no reason to open a file / character device like dev/urandom for using the OS CSPRNG (https://github.com/mratsim/constantine/blob/master/constantine/csprngs/sysrand.nim )
12:13:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh wait yeah I'm so dumb
12:13:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not dumb, just tired but yeah
12:13:47FromDiscord<mratsim> usually disclaimer: not audited, may eat your puppies, etc
12:13:49FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Thanks aha
12:13:51FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Pfff
12:30:25FromDiscord<user2m> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFa
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12:42:37FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @user2m "hey guys I don't": I mean, that seems possible, though I'd use templates more for what python calls context-handlers
12:43:50FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFe
12:44:29FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFe" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFf"
12:46:40FromDiscord<Phil> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4IFh
12:49:56Amun-Rais it possible to add documentation comment to nnkTypeDef in macro?
12:51:50FromDiscord<Phil> Hmmm I'd check the dumpTree of a typedef where one adds a doc-comment to a field
12:53:02FromDiscord<user2m> ok but etmplates still have to be synattcically correct?
12:53:04FromDiscord<user2m> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161285267697717338/image.png?ex=6537be2f&is=6525492f&hm=8dd4784ce2d7e6ae79dd0ac116b17f3cb244b3cdbe325fb5d33482b5caa03dd3&
12:53:32FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFi
12:56:29FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @user2m "": Yep
12:56:58FromDiscord<Phil> Didn't think about that because I never use them in that context but yeah, templates are a mild step above procs in that regard but they are still beholden to syntactical sanity
12:57:10FromDiscord<user2m> so whats the point of templates? aren't they just procs
12:57:31FromDiscord<Phil> No, they start becoming more relevant once you need to be more... flexible with a type system
13:00:01FromDiscord<Phil> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4IFk
13:00:26FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "http://ix.io/4IFk" => "https://paste.rs/AVKWU"
13:01:01FromDiscord<Phil> There's more scenarios where they come in handy where the same premise holds: You need to generate some code in a generic manner but generics have some limitation that cause you to stumble
13:09:41FromDiscord<user2m> hmm ok so then I would use macros to paste code snippets that don't have to be syntactically correct?
13:10:18FromDiscord<Phil> Yeah.↵Macros are basically what you start using once you want to write your own language in a sense.↵Or completely transform a given piece of syntax beyond the limited ways template allows
13:11:52FromDiscord<Phil> However, note that Macros are basically completely new Syntax.↵Like, that thing separates every individual word into its own node
13:12:30FromDiscord<Phil> https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/1161285356797317172↵This is an example representation of what a type-definition looks like in "NimNodes" aka individual pieces that you can mold as you desire
13:13:16FromDiscord<Phil> Basically writing macros is something that is supremely useful for the usecases that warrant them but if you can avoid them you should, it's basically a second language on top of the first and thus really hard to maintain
13:43:52Amun-RaPhil: dumpTree does not show any comments :/
13:44:23FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@180601887916163073>: dumpTree does not": Yeh, that made me sad as well.↵Though there might still be chance as stated: Try to add a user-defined pragma to "annotate" one of the fields and see if that shows up in dumptree
13:44:42FromDiscord<Phil> If it does you could add such "comment-pragmas"
13:44:54FromDiscord<Phil> Though I will admit that sounds hacky as fuck
13:49:00Amun-Ramhm
13:49:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Doc comments work
13:49:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not typical comments
13:49:23Amun-Ranope, they don't show
13:49:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Tho if you really wanted to, could find the parser and hack that in
13:49:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> They... don't? Damn
13:49:39Amun-RaI can see doc comments only on top level
13:49:48FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Weird
13:50:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "If it does you": Even hackier: Comments via identifiers that get parsed in the macro
13:51:05Amun-Rahttps://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFB
13:51:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFC
13:52:26Amun-RaI have something like this and I wanted to annotate exported object with doc comment: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFD
13:52:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Amun-Ra "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFB": Very weird, the compiler AST preserves comments, wonder why they decided to strip them in macros
13:58:47FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IFE
13:59:19FromDiscord<Phil> Because you can't really insert it into the typedef.↵You could maybe experiment if you can insert a NimNode of `CommentStmt` into a `TypeSection` node or if that blows up the compiler
13:59:39Amun-Rahmm
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15:35:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Honestly I think Nimble should have an `optionalRequires` thing tbh
15:36:56FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Then pass `--define:<libname>` and maybe the sem ver
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16:07:32NimEventerNew thread by jmgomez: NimConf 2023, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10544
16:15:04FromDiscord<Phil> I kinda wanna have a proc that just fires every second and increments or decrements a value
16:15:45FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "I kinda wanna have": Can't use async for that?
16:16:18FromDiscord<Phil> I honestly just never wrote such a thing.↵I wrote "Execute X after N ms", never "Execute X every N ms"
16:17:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "I honestly just never": Should be fairly easy to do, I can google it rq
16:17:46FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://stackoverflow.com/a/63802568 yep
16:21:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Sigh I need to actually bring some order into my program's code
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16:22:48FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @isofruit "I kinda wanna have": use async with a timer.
17:04:58FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IGv
17:05:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "I may just be": Could do it on another thread, maybe?
17:06:03FromDiscord<Phil> maaaaaaybe, I mean that is kinda basically throwing memory safety out the window so I'm semi certain nim will throw hurdles my way as this is 2 threads acting on the same memory
17:06:28FromDiscord<Phil> So 50 cent says it'll just copy the value of fraction and increment a copy
17:06:32FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "maaaaaaybe, I mean that": Locks
17:06:37FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "cent says" => "cents say"
17:07:45FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Take this! It's dangerous to go alone!↵https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IGw
17:08:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Untested code obviously, just for associating an object with a lock
17:08:35FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also proxies the fields of the object...so use at your own risk
17:10:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also should be easy to swap out with rlocks too
17:20:25FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IGy
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18:01:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Lord, I cannot fuck with game dev
18:02:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "That might just overcomplicate": Fair rip
18:02:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Isn't the thread stuff also pretty simple?
18:26:53FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "I may just be": Async & owlkettle don't really work together. You probably want something like [this](https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/blob/main/examples/misc/timeout_event.nim) instead.
18:31:10FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Isn't the thread stuff": https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/blob/main/examples/misc/threading.nim
18:31:26FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Isn't the thread stuff": ... https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/blob/main/examples/misc/threading.nim" added "Yes, kind of (?):"
18:31:40FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "Async & owlkettle don't": Sweet!↵Also, how do I get the GtkWidget from a Widget 😄 ?↵Currently working on SearchEntry which eats a GtkWidget for capture keys from
18:32:29FromDiscord<can.l> Thats only possible from `WidgetState` using `WidgetState.unwrapInternalWidget()`
18:33:06FromDiscord<Phil> Hmmmmmmmm in that case SearchEntry might not be the easy win I thought it might be because I'm not quite sure how to hand it a GtkWidget then
18:34:18FromDiscord<can.l> Yeah, we might need something like React's refs for that. Though I've been trying to avoid adding something like them, because it would go against the "delarative" nature of owlkettle.
18:34:32FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) ""delarative"" => ""declarative""
18:35:48FromDiscord<Phil> I'll mark it in the discussion as "not easy to do" and abandon it the same way I abandoned SpinRow 😮‍💨
18:36:30FromDiscord<Phil> ~~That god damn Widget has no right to be as finnicky as it is~~
18:36:47FromDiscord<taperfade> heyy
18:36:51FromDiscord<taperfade> how do i display stuff
18:36:55FromDiscord<taperfade> like uhh
18:36:59FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "I'll mark it in": Might have a look at that when I find the time.
18:37:01FromDiscord<taperfade> i wanna make snake in nim bcs im bored
18:37:17FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "that" => "your implementation"
18:38:03FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @taperfade "i wanna make snake": You probably want to use [SDL2](https://github.com/nim-lang/sdl2)
18:41:54FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "Yeah, we might need": Actually, we might be able to provide a "neutered" Search Entry, it's not like the widget without this "capture" thingy is useless
18:42:34FromDiscord<Phil> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161373223041110086/Screencast_from_2023-10-10_20-42-04.webm?ex=65381019&is=65259b19&hm=5a05caa0343620d6687b044eb84b884b20ba69039c51e9fa2fa2cc299de3f702&
18:42:38FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "Actually, we might be": You mean just leaving out that field?
18:43:12FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "You mean just leaving": Yeah, keeping it commented out for the most part for whence we maybe implement it providing that with a comment as to why it is commented out
18:43:25FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "Yeah, keeping it commented": Sure, sounds good.
18:43:45FromDiscord<Phil> This train ride may just be my most productive owlkettle contribution time yet xD
18:58:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @taperfade "i wanna make snake": Nim JS backend or Nim C backend?
18:59:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> If Nim C, SDL2 as can.l said, otherwise, you'll wanna use the canvas with std/dom (iirc) @taperfade
19:03:33FromDiscord<taperfade> wdym
19:03:42FromDiscord<taperfade> i just wanna make pixels go white or black
19:04:58FromDiscord<taperfade> u guys are so smart
19:05:03FromDiscord<taperfade> ong i wish i was as smart
19:05:15FromDiscord<taperfade> sobs
19:05:43FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @taperfade "u guys are so": Less smart, more that we have spent more time overall coding.↵It really is just a matter of sitting down and slamming your had against the coding wall over hours and days and weeks and months and years
19:06:19FromDiscord<Phil> Start small, work your way up. Coding is one of those "Once you can do a small thing, you can very quickly scale that up to do a big thing" areas
19:07:37FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "You mean just leaving": Without the capture thing (I actually don't know what that's good for) It's basically a normal Entry field with icons and that throws events when users hit certain keybindings.↵Not earth shattering, but I think for implementing a search and automatically getting some hotkey support it could be useful.↵Basically comes with CTRL+G/CTRL+Shift+G/ESC/Enter support out of the box
19:07:59FromDiscord<Phil> Still no clue when search starts ever gets thrown but the rest works, I'll clean it up and make that PR number 4
19:10:42FromDiscord<taperfade> In reply to @isofruit "Start small, work your": yeah
19:10:48FromDiscord<taperfade> i have nothing to work on tho
19:11:02FromDiscord<taperfade> im thinking of expanding my silly little file browser
19:11:07FromDiscord<taperfade> like making files
19:11:12FromDiscord<taperfade> reading the contents
19:11:24FromDiscord<taperfade> not just listing the contents of a folder
19:11:30FromDiscord<Phil> Could always start playing around with making apps with owlkettle 😛
19:11:38FromDiscord<taperfade> whats owlkettle
19:11:49FromDiscord<Phil> That is actually fairly complicated but I mean if you stick to simple things that should be doable
19:12:18FromDiscord<Phil> A way to make native applications using the GTK GUI framework.↵Fairly prominent on Linux as one of its larger desktop environments (Gnome) is entirely based on it
19:12:39FromDiscord<jviega> Hey, if my Nim code is not threaded, but called from a single thread of a multi-threaded C app built on pthreads, Nim doesn't care, right? Or is it going to pick up some state that will cause issues? Running into a strange issue and trying to rule out options.
19:12:41FromDiscord<Phil> Owlkettle is a wrapper around that which tries to make it easier to build your own
19:12:58FromDiscord<taperfade> hmm coo
19:14:10FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> You may be better off making a small discord bot as a beginner project tbh
19:14:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> That's how I started at least
19:15:05FromDiscord<Phil> Yeah, fair, I just try to recruit people 😛
19:15:50FromDiscord<taperfade> hmm
19:15:57FromDiscord<taperfade> my ultimate goal is to make a rat builder
19:16:01FromDiscord<taperfade> something like quasar
19:16:03FromDiscord<taperfade> its so impressive
19:16:14FromDiscord<taperfade> its also what made me kinda start to learn coding
19:16:21FromDiscord<taperfade> i used it and was like
19:16:28FromDiscord<taperfade> i wanna make somehting llike that wow
19:16:43FromDiscord<taperfade> its rlly impressive to me
19:16:49FromDiscord<taperfade> or
19:16:52FromDiscord<taperfade> idk
19:17:07FromDiscord<taperfade> learning coding for some money and to flex would be cool too
19:17:21FromDiscord<taperfade> but idk if i can get jobs with nim
19:19:32FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> #jobs :p
19:20:49FromDiscord<taperfade> holy shit https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161382848079593652/image.png?ex=65381910&is=6525a410&hm=872e9563b181562c8435af8bee5e6a272563258fa784a47919f5a77bc3d3561b&
19:20:50FromDiscord<taperfade> 2k
19:20:51FromDiscord<taperfade> WHAT
19:22:57FromDiscord<Phil> Eh, likely somebody planning to make money with a game that was mostly written, wanted to port and got stopped by this dependency.
19:23:03FromDiscord<Phil> Which is pretty slick
19:23:11FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Which is pretty slick ... " added "that this got improvements that way"
19:25:29FromDiscord<Phil> Okay, stopped in my wrapping frenzy by needing to change trains, but I should have time for one or two more on the train after
19:26:15FromDiscord<taperfade> hmm
19:26:18FromDiscord<taperfade> what are yall working on
19:26:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wonder if there's a way for me to make my GitHub Action (which was essentially treeform's but modified slightly) better
19:27:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @taperfade "what are yall working": 3 projects I'm switching between:↵- Specification for a chat platform (which will be written in Nim)↵- Rogue-like/RPG using Raylib↵- Unofficial Nim Java compiler backend
19:28:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But I am p experienced and switch between projects like it's lit dynamite so
19:28:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> (Also even with experience, trial and error lol)
19:28:37FromDiscord<taperfade> thats so impressiv
19:29:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ehhh, say that to me when I actually complete one xD
19:29:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I've never completed a project because of how much I switch projects
19:30:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I have made a library for manual parsing of packets for MC Java Edition servers tbf
19:31:18FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @taperfade "what are yall working": Currently trying to polish up owlkettle as much as humanly possible.↵That means adding more widgets that it currently doesn't wrap, fixing memory leaks if I encounter any, improving the documentation to make using it and contributing to it as easy as possible etc
19:31:54FromDiscord<Phil> It's pretty educational for me so far, particularly in learning how to deal with bindings
19:32:09FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4IH4
19:32:46FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> (edit) "https://paste.rs/2UwBv" => "http://ix.io/4IH6"
19:32:46FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> (edit) "http://ix.io/4IH6" => "http://ix.io/4IH7"
19:33:03FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> (edit) "http://ix.io/4IH7" => "http://ix.io/4IH8"
19:38:06FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "3 projects I'm switching": "Nim Java compiler backend" sounds interesting. Whats the state of that so far? Is there a GH repo or something?
19:39:51FromDiscord<Phil> Generally it tends to be pretty useful to take something that exists and just polish the crap out of it so that it would make other Devs have fun working with it
19:40:46FromDiscord<Phil> Particularly in the Nim ecosystem.↵That polish can of course also come in the form of docs. In fact that's one of the more common ways you can improve something
19:41:41FromDiscord<Phil> ~~it also has the benefit that somebody else does the maintenance and you get a code reviewer for free, everybody wins~~ 😄
19:42:40FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "~~it also has the benefit that somebody else does the maintenance and you get a code reviewer for free, ... everybody" added "which is something whose value I can not understate,"
19:43:47FromDiscord<Phil> Also teaches you about more views on structuring code and code style which I'd also deem valuable experience based on which your own style can emerge
19:44:13FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "~~it also has the": On the other hand, if you work on a personal project, you don't have to deal with code reviewers & their opinions 😅
19:45:01FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "On the other hand,": Sure but if you have little to no experience in the space that's basically getting taught for free if we're honest 😄
19:46:02FromDiscord<taperfade> i wanna work on something too
19:46:08FromDiscord<taperfade> but im too inexperienced
19:46:11FromDiscord<taperfade> to help anyone
19:46:15FromDiscord<taperfade> hmm i have an idea
19:46:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @can.l ""Nim Java compiler backend"": I did have a version I made a year ago available, right now I'm just trying to figure out how to glue it together to another library now (that I made specifically for codegen)
19:46:27FromDiscord<taperfade> could yall take a look at my nim stuff and help me improve
19:46:28FromDiscord<taperfade> like
19:46:33FromDiscord<taperfade> uhh
19:46:40FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "Sure but if you": Sure, it definitely depends on how opinionated you are yourself... 😄
19:46:40FromDiscord<taperfade> tell me what i should and shouldnt do
19:46:50FromDiscord<taperfade> i want some feedback ig
19:47:02FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://github.com/Yu-Vitaqua-fer-Chronos/Nimpiler↵↵It outputted Jasmin rather than Java tho
19:48:16FromDiscord<taperfade> https://github.com/senzur :3
19:49:55FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "Sure, it definitely depends": Eh, I do have my opinions and preferences but I can adapt easily enough.↵And it's useful to just see structural decisions and their pros and cons, allows you to either steal those concepts when you write code yourself or learn to avoid them
19:50:14FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "In reply to @can.l "Sure, it definitely depends": Eh, I do have my opinions and preferences but I can adapt easily enough.↵And it's useful to just see structural decisions and their pros and cons, allows you to either steal those concepts when you write code ... yourself" added "for"
19:51:11FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "https://github.com/Yu-Vitaqua-fer-Chronos/Nimpiler ": Oh nice! Excited to see how this develops.
19:52:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @can.l "Oh nice! Excited to": Thanks! The code is completely different now since I restarted bc that was a year ago I was working on it :p
19:52:56FromDiscord<jviega> Jasmin's still around??
19:53:35FromDiscord<Phil> It's barely on its way out a afaik
19:53:50FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @jviega "Jasmin's still around??": Why wouldn't it still be around?
19:54:05FromDiscord<jviega> Wow, I remember when Jon Meyer did that, it was like 1996. I didn't actually think it took off
19:54:23FromDiscord<jviega> I figured people were just emitting jvm code directly
19:54:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://jasmin.sourceforge.net/
19:54:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @jviega "I figured people were": Not all of us are privilleged enough to be able to use JVM libraries! :p
19:54:48FromDiscord<taperfade> for how long have yall been programming :o
19:55:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @taperfade "for how long have": Since I was 13, I'm 18 now
19:55:10FromDiscord<jviega> Ah someone picked it up a long time ago
19:55:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Tho at 15 I was moreso messing with the concepts until actively getting into it
19:55:28FromDiscord<jviega> Jon's dropped off the planet, I've tried to find him a few times since I moved to NY
19:55:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah fair
19:56:57FromDiscord<jviega> Which was like 15 years ago. But I almost went to work w/ him in 1996, spent a bunch of time w/ him for a while
19:57:04FromDiscord<jviega> He was at NYU then
19:57:24FromDiscord<jviega> Haven't seen a post-NYU peep
19:57:27FromDiscord<can.l> You mentioned a new codegen library you wrote for the backend. Am I correct in assuming that that replaces Jasmin? Or is it built on top of that?
19:57:37FromDiscord<Phil> Coding for 6 or 7 years by now, though only like 3 of that professionally and I didn't code at all or barely for 2 of those years
19:58:29FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Coding for 6 or 7 years by now, though only like 3 of that professionally and I didn't code at all or barely for 2 of those years ... " added "6 to 7 years"
19:58:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4IHf
20:04:04FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> In reply to @taperfade "for how long have": More-less five years if we don't count my WML days, but actively it was more of a three years I'd say, I had long break in 2019-2021
20:04:54FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Ah it's directly just": Ah, I see. Its somewhere in between a proper AST and using strings for codegen, in that it preserves some high level structure, but falls back onto `JavaCodeEmission` when there is no AST node?
20:05:02FromDiscord<jviega> You lot make me feel so old, wow 🙂
20:05:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @can.l "Ah, I see. Its": Yeah exactly! Ideally I'll wrap more (and fix) Java code/statements aha
20:05:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @jviega "You lot make me": Whatever gramps haha
20:06:12FromDiscord<jviega> 🧓
20:06:56FromDiscord<Phil> Uphill both ways!
20:07:06FromDiscord<jviega> In the snow, too
20:07:09FromDiscord<taperfade> In reply to @jviega "Which was like 15": oh wow
20:07:22FromDiscord<taperfade> uve started coding when i was born
20:07:35FromDiscord<taperfade> 😧
20:07:47FromDiscord<jviega> I'd assume well before that.
20:08:03FromDiscord<taperfade> damn
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20:08:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Jvg remembers when you had to type in your code 1 bit at a time
20:08:48FromDiscord<jviega> TYPE? Luxury
20:08:58FromDiscord<jviega> You punched holes in a piece of damn paper, my man!
20:09:02FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh wow is a lot of AST I need to handle and parse
20:09:07FromDiscord<Phil> He also remembers when people managed to write other people's name correctly 😛
20:09:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> There is
20:09:27FromDiscord<jviega> Tho I never used punch cards. I saw them, but mostly before my time
20:10:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Punching a card is typing
20:10:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fight me
20:11:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A holepunch is a keyboard
20:11:44FromDiscord<jviega> Hole punch??? LUXURY
20:13:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Right you probably invented the abacus
20:13:34FromDiscord<jviega> Too poor for that!
20:16:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> If only Nim compile timeswere faster
20:16:41FromDiscord<Phil> Looking forward to the new AMD motherboard partially because of that
20:16:50FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Looking forward to the new AMD motherboard ... partially" added "for my laptop"
20:17:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The abacus feature?
20:17:26FromDiscord<Phil> Yes beef, because AMD finally implemented the Abacus that jtv's richer rival invented five thousand years ago
20:17:31FromDiscord<jmgomez> The faster hardware I have ever seen for Nim is the Mx series from Apple
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20:18:26FromDiscord<jviega> It's shocking how slow the same program is on my linux laptop vs. my mac
20:18:45FromDiscord<jviega> It's well over 5x all other things equal
20:18:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What C compiler are you using for linux?
20:19:17FromDiscord<Phil> ~~The one for holy C of course, who doesn't?~~
20:19:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Holy C isnt a C compiler
20:19:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Get owned
20:20:07FromDiscord<Phil> I said the one for holy C
20:20:22FromDiscord<jviega> Well, gcc, but I've written tons of C in both places, and tend to still use gcc on Linux; performance difference is never this vast
20:20:22FromDiscord<Phil> Reading comprehension and so on xP
20:20:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But that's not a C compiler
20:20:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's like saying "I use the GO compiler"
20:20:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Clang generally is more optimised ime
20:21:10FromDiscord<jmgomez> I have a windows pc with a intel 13900k the compiler takes 20+ secs on the M1Max it takes 7seconds
20:21:22FromDiscord<jviega> Sure, tho that's fairly recent where it's been consistent, and def not 5x
20:22:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Really though `-d:danger -d:lto --cc:clang` probably should be the shipped nim compiler
20:23:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I am achieving something
20:24:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Like a 10% performance boost or so
20:25:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "What C compiler are": Do you mean me? Or
20:25:33FromDiscord<jviega> I always turn on -d:lto anyway. How much is -d:danger really going to make a difference? It's not like performance is a huge problem anyway
20:26:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For the compiler
20:26:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> lto + danger atleast the last i checked got like 10-20% faster
20:26:28FromDiscord<taperfade>
20:26:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @jviega "I always turn on": When compiling the compiler it is :p
20:27:52FromDiscord<jviega> Oh yeah I don't care quite as much about compile times
20:29:31FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Major issue for me since I need to be able to check what equals what, what's true... etc
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20:32:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @jmgomez damn the windows compiler is slow
20:32:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm on a 5600x and it's \~12s
20:32:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's the gcc non lto'd release
20:33:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `--cc:clang -d:danger -d:lto` is about 1s faster
20:34:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Using `--cc:clang` on the actual build with the optimised compile it's down to 7 seconds
20:35:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Who needs a mac
20:35:48FromDiscord<Phil> How do I instantiate a type and get a pointer to it, basically have it very explicitly not managed by nim's GC?
20:35:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So yea i'd suggest trying a clang boot and setting clang as your default Compiler
20:35:59FromDiscord<Phil> Like, I know I can heap allocate with new
20:36:00FromDiscord<jviega> Types aren't runtime things
20:36:08FromDiscord<jviega> Oh
20:36:10FromDiscord<jviega> I see
20:36:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IHq
20:36:36FromDiscord<jviega> Unless you need it on the heap?
20:36:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> How do I check what compiler Nim is using?
20:36:56FromDiscord<Phil> It's basically me allocating memory for GTK as far as I'm aware I think
20:37:00FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> `CC` is set to `clang` but iirc that's for Make/CMake
20:37:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also Beef, thoughts on https://github.com/rui314/mold ?
20:37:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There you go you now manually manage references
20:37:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> On linux it uses `gcc` by default
20:37:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> On mac it uses clang
20:37:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> On windows it use mingw
20:37:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IHr
20:37:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Doesnt help Nim whatsoever
20:38:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "On linux it uses": Ah, so I have to change the config then f
20:38:24FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IHt
20:38:29FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "How *do* I check": Run Nim with `--listcmd`. I shows how backend compiler called.
20:38:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Doesnt help Nim whatsoever": Why wouldn't it? I thought C files got compiled to .o files then linked together?
20:39:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `defined(gcc)` works if you want to check in code
20:39:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> GcRef increments the ref count
20:39:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sure but Nim's slow down is not the linking
20:39:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You then later do `GcUnref` when you want to destroy the ref
20:39:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> INim ftw
20:39:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah it's using gcc rn
20:39:28FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Sure but Nim's slow": Fair enough
20:40:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I did test using mold briefly and it does make a difference but it's like only 20ms
20:41:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast on the nim compiler
20:41:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But that also is margin of error when the entire compiler depends on your IO being happy
20:41:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I did test using": Ah fair enough then
20:42:04FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`--cc:clang -d:danger -d:lto` is": hmm will give it a shot tomorrow and see. I also saw that it's way slower in NUE although there vcc is used on Win
20:42:18FromDiscord<jviega> I have seen reference that templates invoking templates invoking temlates causes slow-down
20:42:31FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "Ah, I see. Its": Flipping praise be for the gvalue constructors you added, I have no idea how they exactly work but I want to set a string property from a widget that has no explicit setter for that field and without the g_object_set_property thingy which requires GValue I'd be boned
20:43:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea code substitution is awful for compile times
20:43:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have to insert the code then resem the entire tree
20:43:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So recursive templates are just bad
20:43:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Better to use a macro when possible
20:47:24FromDiscord<jviega> Yup all makes good sense.
20:50:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh @Phil how'd you solve the form stuff?
20:50:49FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Oh <@180601887916163073> how'd you": It's not solved yet in the sense that currently the ugly solution is implemented.↵The solution will be to do the heretical thing and fetch pointers from AppState
20:50:54FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "In reply to @Elegantbeef "Oh <@180601887916163073> how'd you": It's not solved yet in the sense that currently the ugly solution is implemented.↵The solution will be to do the heretical thing and fetch pointers from ... AppState" added "the fields on"
20:51:02FromDiscord<Phil> Basically use `.addr`
20:51:25FromDiscord<Phil> And capture that in the event-handler procs of owlkettle for the various fields
20:51:31FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "that" => "those pointers"
20:52:52FromDiscord<Phil> I'm currently on a train ride and wrapping low-hanging fruit widgets, for the addr thingy I'd like to have the video widget first off my conscience before I tackle it.↵And I'd also like to not be tired AF and on an 8h trip into faraway lands
20:53:39FromDiscord<Phil> On the bright side, Owlkettle now is 2 and soon 3 widgets richer due to that trip.↵And I'm working on number 4 atm
20:53:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> github.com/Yu-Vitaqua-fer-Chronos/Nava
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21:11:00FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "Ah, I see. Its": Have you had to deal with MenuModel yet?↵I don't think it's procs are in the bindings so far and I'd love to add them, but for the most part right now I'm struggling with finding how to instantiate one even
21:12:56FromDiscord<Phil> Oh son of a \\\\ that's just an interface
21:13:05FromDiscord<Phil> No wonder I'm not finding a constructor
21:15:45FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "Have you had to": Oh you are doing GMenu stuff? People would be quite happy about that... ([citation 1](https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/issues/16))
21:16:08FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "Oh you are doing": I'm wrapping that because PasswordEntry for some reason has a field related to that
21:16:13FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "In reply to @isofruit "Have you had to": Oh you are doing GMenu stuff? People would be quite happy about that... ([citation 1](https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/issues/16)) ... " added "(I tried finding some other examples, but those seem to be deleted)"
21:16:26FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> If only I could make Owlkettle working :/
21:17:03FromDiscord<Phil> can.l literally is in chat 😛↵Other than that, looked at : https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/discussions/53 ?
21:17:18FromDiscord<Phil> If it's gtk installation related though best we can do is point to the gtk docs on how to install on windows
21:17:57FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I think it's GTK problem↵But it should work on Windows too
21:18:42FromDiscord<can.l> Does it compile? If so, whats the compiler output?
21:18:52FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "whats" => "what is"
21:18:54FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> lemme find the test project again
21:19:51FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "I'm wrapping that because": Oh, weird... If you manage to create a proper wrapper for `GMenuModel`, support for traditional menus is actually not that far off...
21:20:16FromDiscord<can.l> On the other hand: that seems like a lot of work.
21:20:17FromDiscord<Phil> I mean what I'm seeing so far it doens't seem too crazy
21:20:44FromDiscord<Phil> Got GMenu and GMenuItems, couple procs related to creating and adding those, should be doable for that to translate to nim seqs or sth
21:20:56FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "Does it compile? If": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161413074285248632/message.txt?ex=65383536&is=6525c036&hm=22d963287a627c5c10c956cd22a558666872e5dd2722984550e67d0fdef49533&
21:23:05FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "": weird, it indeed seems to be GTK issue. Since some people had success installing GTK on msys2, I wonder if the version is updated?
21:23:21FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "In reply to @sys64 "": weird, it indeed seems to be GTK ... issue." added "version"
21:27:43FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @isofruit "Got GMenu and GMenuItems,": The issue is that you also need to connect events to the menu items. At least from looking at it briefly, they do not emit signals however. So you need to go through GTK's action system. Additionally menus can have submenus, so you need to perform tree diffing. Theoretically owlkettles existing API could be used here, however it is currently only designed for widgets, which `MenuItem` is
21:28:32FromDiscord<Phil> That I haven't yet slammed into face-first. That might actually be a major PITA that is very much the opposite of "Low hanging fruit"
21:28:38FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "weird, it indeed seems": This message is very, very sus https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161415016050856036/message.txt?ex=65383705&is=6525c205&hm=d925031c45e6bd21d3e1ab19576e2f217535d85807f44c53ab863ee747f47600&
21:29:21FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "This message is very,": Is gio even installed at all?
21:29:35FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "In reply to @sys64 "This message is very,": Is gio ... even" added "(= a GTK dependency)"
21:29:47FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> like...↵Trying to find files/dirs called Package, dependency, requirement, >= and so on...↵It shouldn't looks for such directory names
21:29:58FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "Is gio (= a": so I need to install it in MinGW?
21:32:49FromDiscord<can.l> Ah, I think I know whats happening. Internally owlkettle uses `pkg-config` to find the correct linker parameters. If gio is not installed, it will output something like `Package dependency requirement 'gio-2.0 >= 2.76.0' could not be satisfied`, so that just gets passed to the linker.
21:33:48FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "so I need to": So the hypothesis that gio is not installed would make sense. While you theoretically should not need to install it separately, there might have been some issue with the package manager, so it might be worth a try to just install it manually.
21:34:38FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @can.l "The issue is that": Mind if I provide the PasswordEntry sans GMenuModel thingy first and shift the entire wrapping of GMenuModel to another day and a different PR?
21:34:39FromDiscord<bostonboston> To get owlkettle working on windows I not only had to go through the msys2 install and mingw install but add a couple folders to my path
21:35:28FromDiscord<bostonboston> And also make sure they were high enough in my path
21:36:24FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @bostonboston "To get owlkettle working": Could you find out which ones? As I don't have a windows install, I usually just rely on the users on windows to provide install instructions.
21:37:23FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> IT FCKING WORKS! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161417213274767370/image.png?ex=65383911&is=6525c411&hm=d1a9c870ca5d9da199094539ca6bcb2bd247dd1f6145d9c205a346b9bde3742f&
21:37:59FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "IT F*CKING WORKS!": Same question: What did you do to make it work? (so I can add it to the install instructions)
21:38:01FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @sys64 "IT F*CKING WORKS!": Sweet!↵Now you can play around with it!↵Pro tip, adwaita has a lot of things that combine multiple base gtk widgets into larger more useful units, it's kind of like an equivalent to a component library
21:38:02FromDiscord<bostonboston> In reply to @can.l "Could you find out": Bin lib and include for mingw32/64
21:38:37FromDiscord<Phil> Also the Box widget is basically the equivalent to HTML div
21:38:52FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> ``pacman -S mingw-w64-x86_64-glib2``
21:39:01FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> don't forget to install GTK too
21:39:43FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Wow the aero snap...
21:39:49FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> It looks sussy
21:40:06FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @bostonboston "Bin lib and include": I assume like this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71731080/how-to-add-mingw-to-path
21:40:19FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "this:" => "this?"
21:42:14FromDiscord<bostonboston> It's called System Properties and not computer but yes
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21:43:40FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @bostonboston "It's called System Properties": Thanks! This will probably be added to the troubleshooting section of the installation docs.
21:45:12FromDiscord<bostonboston> As an additional note, the gcc compiler a windows user installs with msys is in addition to the one they would install with the nim compiler, I believe for my owlkettle project I needed to change my gcc.path to point to the msys2 install of gcc
21:45:13FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> @can.l why is my Owlkettle app taking ages to open? A simple counter
21:45:48FromDiscord<bostonboston> (edit) "msys2" => "msys"
21:47:34FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "<@893965307171979326> why is my": If you added an application ID, its to be expected. If its just the `counter` example, I have no idea why. How long does it take?
21:48:02FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "If you added an": Like 10 seconds or something to open the app
21:49:14FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "Like 10 seconds or": Without compilation time?
21:52:50FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "Without compilation time?": Yeah
21:53:00FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> between 5 and 10 seconds
21:54:25FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> And I have very weird stuff in the task bar
21:55:30FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "And I have very": as in multiple icons for one app? or just a weird icon?
21:58:21FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "as in multiple icons": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1161422494767513730/2023-10-10_23-57-28.mp4?ex=65383dfc&is=6525c8fc&hm=7a80486cba9b1254382ee3f9f2ec732dc85f3d12380916dafbd36a3b44799128&
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22:03:39FromDiscord<Schelz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IHJ
22:07:25FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "": I am sadly unable to find anything about this online, but my hypothesis is that GTK is probably trying to connect to some kind of background services which it is unable to find/start. That might explain the flashing icons. Do you get any debug output?
22:08:22FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @Schelz "hi, quick question how": https://github.com/DanielBelmes/vulkan
22:08:41FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "I am sadly unable": Nothing on console
22:11:03FromDiscord<Schelz> In reply to @heysokam "https://github.com/DanielBelmes/vulkan": its not what i want, its not really based on vulkan but on how to return typdef void ptr
22:11:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `pointer` in Nim is equivlent to `void`
22:11:47FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @Schelz "its not what i": C's `void` == Nim's `pointer`
22:12:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though given Nim has generics you rarely need `pointer`
22:17:28FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "Nothing on console": Hmm, I don't think I can of much help then sadly. Given that I also did not find anything about this online, debugging this seems pretty hard...
22:17:59FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Also tried with -d:danger, slow at start too
22:18:35FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4IHM
22:18:43FromDiscord<can.l> Yeah, its probably a GTK issue then. I guess you could try uninstalling and reinstalling GTK 😄
22:19:03FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "In reply to @sys64 "Nothing on console": Hmm, I don't think I can ... of" added "be"
22:19:46FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> It uses GTK3 right?
22:19:52FromDiscord<can.l> GTK4
22:20:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And if that fails you can install a linux distro 😛
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22:20:23FromDiscord<can.l> You need to `pacman -S mingw-w64-x86_64-gtk4 mingw-w64-x86_64-libadwaita`
22:20:40FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "You need to `pacman -S mingw-w64-x86_64-gtk4 mingw-w64-x86_64-libadwaita` ... " added "to install."
22:21:58FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Humm still slow at startup, quite weird
22:23:18FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Btw is it possible to have dark theme?
22:23:43FromDiscord<can.l> darkTheme=true
22:24:05FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "darkTheme=true" => "`brew(..., darkTheme=true)`"
22:26:14FromDiscord<can.l> or for libadwaita `adw.brew(..., colorScheme=ColorSchemePreferDark)` / `adw.brew(..., colorScheme=ColorSchemeForceDark)`
22:26:34FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "`brew(..., darkTheme=true)`": It works, thanks!↵And to change the general theme?
22:26:57FromDiscord<can.l> if you want to switch to libadwaita theming, see the readme.
22:27:30FromDiscord<can.l> otherwise you can use CSS for theming: https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/blob/main/examples/misc/css.nim
22:28:37FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> wait CSS?!↵So is there HTML stuff behind?
22:29:00FromDiscord<can.l> No.
22:29:37FromDiscord<can.l> GTK just uses CSS for theming because its convenient.
22:29:55FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "No." => "No, no HTML."
22:29:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd say "cause so many people know it" but not a soul knows CSS
22:30:43FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @can.l "GTK just uses CSS": Oh alright↵And is it more performant than stuff like Dear ImGUI?
22:33:21FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @sys64 "Oh alright And is": I have not performed measurements, so I don't know. However the two have pretty different use cases. GTK (and therefore owlkettle) is a complete GUI framework for building desktop apps, while Dear ImGUI is targeted at building quick UIs for game development. GTK is definitely fast enough to build a desktop environment (GNOME), so it should not be much of an issue.
22:33:59FromDiscord<can.l> I wouldn't use it in a game though.
22:34:29FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Might be useful for tooling and apps
22:34:52FromDiscord<bostonboston> Btw distributing a gtk app for Windows is supposedly hell
22:34:56FromDiscord<bostonboston> It can be done
22:36:10FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @bostonboston "Btw distributing a gtk": wdym?
22:36:36FromDiscord<bostonboston> I don't know exactly, but I read that experience in more than one place
22:36:49FromDiscord<bostonboston> So it's just something to be aware of, unless I'm completely wrong
22:37:15FromDiscord<tsoj> Is there a way to print a Nim object in such a way, that it would be a legal way oif writing to initiate such an object in Nim?
22:37:29FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> as long as I give the DLLs with, shouldn't have problem
22:37:34FromDiscord<can.l> https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle/discussions/57
22:38:05FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> okay GTK4 is LGPL so I'm safe
22:38:23FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> same for LibAdwaita
22:42:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @tsoj this is close https://github.com/treeform/print
22:50:06FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Oh, I should use this
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