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02:26:36	FromDiscord	<drsensor👹> Hi, how to check value is available in a `Table`?↵Something like `myTable.values.contains("some value")`↵but it give me an error when I try `echo myTable.values`.↵Do I need to convert the iterator into sequence or openArray first?
02:26:59	disruptek	if "some value" in sometable: ...
02:27:29	disruptek	actually, that's for keys.
02:28:00	disruptek	you might need to `"somevalue" in toSeq(sometable.values)`
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02:31:45	FromDiscord	<drsensor👹> thankyou, it works!
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04:20:29	FromDiscord	<Nisha> Guess who~
04:24:27	FromDiscord	<Rika> Who are you
04:25:19	FromDiscord	<Nisha> Bruh-
04:25:30	FromDiscord	<Nisha> My name isn't familiar-
04:25:33	FromDiscord	<Nisha> At all?-
04:25:38	FromDiscord	<Nisha> (edit) 'familiar-' => 'familiar?-'
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05:01:57	voltist	You know your personal project is getting serious when you have to write a legal notice for the README
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05:12:55	FromDiscord	<Nisha> Oof-
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05:38:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> voltist: what happened?
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05:46:13	voltist	@Rika I'm planning on publishing an open source driver derived from a serial protocol I'm working on reverse engineering
05:47:40	Zevv	ah protocol of what?
05:47:41	voltist	Basically the legal notice will say "The DMCA is alright with this, and it's perfectly legal to use, but reverse engineering the original manufacturer's products in order to contribute may make you liable for litigation depending on your location"
05:47:51	voltist	Zevv: Telescope mount
05:49:13	Zevv	cool stuff
05:49:33	Zevv	I never cared about any of thece dmca things. silly stuff
05:49:53	Zevv	and for obscure stuff like a telescope mount, I don't think you will ever get a C&D notice
05:51:37	voltist	The manufacturer has a business model that is very dependent on their software staying closed source and very expensive, so they have made serious legal threats to those who have considered doing this (so far none have gone open source)
05:52:21	FromDiscord	<Rika> you can reverse engineer products legally, depending on the kind of reverse engineering you do
05:52:47	voltist	Yeah it's not as illegal as they make it out to be at all
05:53:08	Zevv	just make a separate github account and put it on there
05:53:10	Zevv	I'll clone
05:53:13	Zevv	rika'll clone
05:53:14	Zevv	and its out
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05:54:27	voltist	My understanding is that the act of reverse engineering could be considered a breach of trade secrets, but the DMCA provides a safe harbor for the actual description/software written as a result
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05:55:52	voltist	But "trade secrets" don't exist in my country's law anyway (beyond NDAs), and since we don't have an agreement with the US, the manufacturer can't sue on those grounds
05:56:25	voltist	I'm very much not a lawyer; this is just what I've managed to gather from the web
05:56:50	voltist	But yeah, the good thing is that I can host it on GitHub because it's DMCA friendly
05:59:32	voltist	Do I even have to mention that the manufacture's software is terrible? As in, literally the worst I have ever used
06:02:33	FromGitter	<gogolxdong> How to convert seq to JsonNode?
06:06:35	Zevv	gogolxdong: %
06:06:38	Zevv	https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tRf
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06:08:33	Zevv	voltist: just hook your stuff up to stellarium
06:08:55	FromGitter	<gogolxdong> ah, I forgot the most familiar friend.
06:09:07	Zevv	who, me? :)
06:09:10	Zevv	voltist: http://stellarium.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Telescope_Control_plug-in
06:09:36	Zevv	whats your brand and type?
06:10:55	Zevv	and always remember kids: don't stare into the sun!
06:11:01	Zevv	when looking through your telescope, particulary
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06:59:58	PMunch	Is there a way of doing single-line case statements?
07:01:14	FromDiscord	<lqdev> nope. how'd you do it anyways?
07:02:37	PMunch	Well I just tried "let x = case someEnum: of One: 100 of Two: 200"
07:02:42	PMunch	But that didn't work :P
07:03:33	FromDiscord	<lqdev> it'd be unparsable as `of` is also an operator
07:04:01	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> One lining case statemes seems hideous
07:04:08	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> (edit) 'statemes' => 'statemets'
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07:51:42	voltist	Zevv: I'm going to make an Indi driver
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08:08:00	PMunch	Indi?
08:12:49	Zevv	voltist: indi is cool, but what would you interface with on the other side of the driver?
08:28:20	voltist	I'd probably use KStars, but the point of indi is that folks can use whatever they want
08:30:19	voltist	Zevv: Are you into astronomy yourself?
08:30:24	FromDiscord	<Vindaar> @voltist sorry, was away for a week without internet. The ping still relevant?
08:30:55	voltist	@Vindaar Nah all good, I got my FITS reader working
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08:33:40	FromDiscord	<Vindaar> oh great work! is it pushed somewhere?
08:34:15	voltist	Not quite yet
08:34:22	voltist	I'll do that when I get home
08:34:38	voltist	I'm at the observatory now, taking some images :)
08:37:01	FromDiscord	<Vindaar> nice!
08:48:53	FromGitter	<Lecale> I'm having one of those bad mornings. Is there any real reason why the string "11.69" shouldn't be able to be parsed as a float? I know floats are a bit cuckoo sometimes, but I didn't expect to change the data in my file and see "Error: unhandled exception: invalid float: 11.69 [ValueError]"
08:49:50	FromDiscord	<lqdev> check for leading/trailing whitespace
08:50:20	FromDiscord	<lqdev> !eval import strutils; echo parseFloat("11.69")
08:50:22	NimBot	11.69
08:50:49	FromDiscord	<lqdev> !eval import strutils; echo parseFloat(" 11.69 ")
08:50:52	NimBot	/usercode/in.nim(1) in↵/playground/nim/lib/pure/strutils.nim(1127) parseFloat↵Error: unhandled exception: invalid float: 11.69 [ValueError]
08:51:00	FromDiscord	<lqdev> cc @Lecale
08:51:42	FromGitter	<Lecale> There isn't anything easy like hidden whitespace to solve the error, no.
08:52:12	FromDiscord	<lqdev> hm
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08:52:55	PMunch	Hmm, did something about changing CPU architecture change in the past couple versions?
08:54:09	FromGitter	<Lecale> I am using Nim Compiler Version 1.2.4 [Windows: amd64] , it was fine for one dataset, then every other one after that went penguin
09:00:22	PMunch	Hmm, that is indeed weird
09:03:19	Zevv	wow. I found this 1.6Ghz celeron notebook in the bottom of my cupboard. might be handy for the kids to take on holidays. Put an SSD disk in, 2Ggis of ram
09:03:40	Zevv	but guess what. Friggin youtube can't even properly play on that hardware anymre
09:03:49	Zevv	1.6 Ghz!
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09:03:59	Zevv	What the *HELL* is youtube trying to do?
09:04:08	Zevv	2 cores loaded to the max
09:04:21	Zevv	why is all software so crap shit today
09:04:30	PMunch	@Lecale, try to cast it to a sequence of bytes and see if there is anything weird there: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tRI
09:05:00	PMunch	Zevv, probably trying to use hardware h.256 decoding
09:05:33	FromDiscord	<lqdev> youtube uses h.264 or vp9
09:05:37	FromDiscord	<lqdev> never seen it use h.265
09:05:45	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> an easier solution to the casting is just returning the length 😄
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09:05:48	PMunch	I just didn't remember the name of it :P
09:05:53	PMunch	I meant h.264
09:05:55	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> if it's != 5 you did something wrong!
09:06:09	FromDiscord	<lqdev> PMunch: h.264 is relatively lightweight to decode tho
09:06:11	PMunch	Hmm, true
09:06:21	FromDiscord	<lqdev> my rpi 3b can handle it perfectly
09:06:44	PMunch	Well, it might be lightweight, but if YouTube is trying to execute instructions that doesn't exist on your CPU you're still going to have a bad time :P
09:06:45	FromDiscord	<lqdev> though, it doesn't go up to any resolutions higher than 480p
09:07:07	FromDiscord	<lqdev> it's, uh, javascript.
09:07:30	PMunch	Still ends up getting executed by your CPU at some point
09:07:44	PMunch	(or GPU I guess, but that's beside the point)
09:10:29	FromDiscord	<Rika> javascript engines would know what instructions to execute, and whether to use software or hardware decoding, i assume
09:11:01	FromDiscord	<Rika> anyway i dont think the video player is the heaviest on youtube, its probably all the other shit it runs
09:13:24	PMunch	But still, it should be able to handle all the other stuff on a 1.6GHz processor..
09:14:03	PMunch	The hardware h.264 decoding is the only thing I can think of that an old CPU would simply miss, which could explain why YouTube doesn't work..
09:14:23	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> If zevv isnt on a unix-like that's getting taken from Windows updates running in the backgrounf suddenly
09:14:35	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> (edit) 'backgrounf' => 'background'
09:14:46	PMunch	Haha, fair point
09:15:01	PMunch	But knowing Zevv it's probably some kind of Linux he's running
09:15:11	PMunch	Eh, maybe not for his kids I guess
09:15:14	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> In all seriousness windows is the death of low spec hardware that'd otherwise be usable
09:15:49	PMunch	Mhm, it's pretty crazy
09:15:54	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I mean i dont see why not force them to use LFS 😄
09:16:04	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> That way you dont have to solve any problems
09:16:13	PMunch	It's backwards compatible to 1000 with software, but hardware you can barely run it on a couple year old machines
09:16:32	PMunch	Meanwhile you can use a fairly modern Linux system on decades old machines with some work :P
09:16:51	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I mean it's mostly the sub $400 computers that just cant handle it
09:17:05	Zevv	it's just plain xubuntu
09:18:07	Zevv	and I know of course, but I'm just always enraged by how fast hardware gets deprecated because software just gets kind of crappier
09:18:24	Zevv	it's not just the video decoder. Just the sheer amount of work that has to be done to even load up a site like youtube
09:18:28	Zevv	even before it starts playing
09:19:11	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> How does https://dev.invidio.us/ fair against youtube?
09:19:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> its more of "sites start doing more intensive shit because the majority of people's devices can handle it"
09:19:33	Zevv	it's also about devs being lazy as hell.
09:19:58	Zevv	I've been doing a lot of android work lately, we're making some kind of "thin client" solution. All these APKS are *so* *full* *of* *shit*
09:20:06	Zevv	devs just pull in tons of libs from everywhere
09:20:08	Zevv	glue it all together
09:20:13	Zevv	they all ship the world
09:20:37	Zevv	it's just like web devs. npm here npm there and now I have to load 37Mb of trash before a page shows
09:21:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> that is true too
09:21:08	Zevv	really, I know it's old-fart-whining, but I remember the days when I would boot my PC and it would go *beep* ready in 2 seconds
09:21:12	PMunch	Always fun to hear the front-end devs swearing over having to run "npm restore" :P
09:21:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> its barely old fart whining imo
09:21:21	PMunch	Or whatever the command is to reload all packages :P
09:21:40	FromDiscord	<Rika> always fun forgetting to not back "node_modules" up
09:21:44	FromGitter	<Lecale> Okay, there seems to be three chars preceeding the string that don't belong there: 239, 187, 191
09:21:49	PMunch	Zevv, I mean you can still set that up with the correct Linux stuff
09:22:04	PMunch	As long as your motherboard BIOS isn't too slow
09:22:09	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I mean Zevv im only 21, and i agree software is a hellscape, look im using a electron application as my main communication method, and just accept that it's taking >500mb of ram for basically nothing
09:22:52	Zevv	right
09:23:16	Zevv	and on the other side of the spectrum. I'm fighting these guys in my team over all that docker shit
09:23:39	Zevv	they want be to build and dev my software in their docker because everyting is so prone to dependency failures, it's no longer possible to do anything on a normal machine
09:23:57	PMunch	@Lecale, that is a BOM
09:24:00	PMunch	Byte order marker
09:24:15	Zevv	Why the *hell* do I need to do gRPC for one single call to somewhere? Now I need gRPC compilers with golang code generators, I always have version mismatches, everything is broken
09:24:20	FromGitter	<Lecale> Looks like BOOM to me
09:24:20	PMunch	Stupid Windows think to tell the program which format the file is in
09:25:16	PMunch	That one in particular EF BB BF means that it's UTF-8
09:25:28	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> we need join ISIS kill all devs and windows users and start a new programming standards
09:25:34	FromDiscord	<Rika> bruh
09:25:39	FromDiscord	<Rika> a bit too edgy there
09:25:44	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> (edit) 'users' => 'users( spare araq)'
09:26:00	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> It's more ethical to just make less shitty software that is on par with the shitty alternatives
09:26:15	PMunch	I kinda like Docker though Zevv, I can build a tiny container that just has the stuff I need, and I don't have to tell anyone I've snuck Nim in there :P
09:26:23	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Although people dont care about free range software
09:26:24	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> flaming sword of revolution xD
09:27:03	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> i like too docker cuz its easyer to setup soem db sewer insted to really have to install it on pc
09:27:14	PMunch	I was actually surprised when I copied a Nim binary of some program I had lying around over to another machine and it just worked. Let that sink in for a second
09:27:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> static binaries
09:27:48	PMunch	It's so bad that I don't even expect binaries to work across two Linux machines with the same architecture -_-
09:28:12	FromDiscord	<lqdev> welcome to glibc versioning land, where We Are Retarded™
09:28:28	FromDiscord	<Rika> lmao
09:28:30	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Well there would be no issue if you guys used the one true linux, hannah montana linux
09:28:32	PMunch	Haha :P
09:28:45	FromGitter	<Lecale> heretic
09:28:47	PMunch	Oh well, lunchtime
09:28:55	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> No it's sleep time
09:28:57	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Buh bye
09:29:00	PMunch	Have to figure out this weird 32-bit linking issue mess when I get back..
09:29:34	FromDiscord	<lqdev> ~~beef where are you going it's 11:30 am~~
09:29:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Dude im in NA it's 3:30 am
09:29:56	FromDiscord	<lqdev> ik ik
09:30:14	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Fucking poles man i tell you... they're poles
09:30:36	FromGitter	<Lecale> Most polish are
09:30:43	FromDiscord	<lqdev> dumb
09:31:11	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Shit you're onto something Lecale, has the all Poles are Poles conspiracy been started?
09:31:34	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Well now that we've made dumb jokes, i now do need to sleep
09:32:16	Zevv	PMunch: there is *so* much I hate about docker. Just add more layers of complexity, add more potential points of failures.
09:32:37	Zevv	I have this app running in a docker container because I need to for "reasons". Getting logs out with "docker-compose logs". No more then 10k lines per second
09:32:48	Zevv	I just sit there waiting up to half a minute for the log to poor out
09:33:08	Zevv	Don't get me started about getting IPv6 to work in docker. This is 2020. But nooo, sorry, ipv6 is not really something we support ,sorry
09:37:00	FromGitter	<Lecale> Thanks @PMunch I didn't expect that to be inserted invisibly
09:37:47	alehander92	oi
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10:03:39	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Is there a function to compare 2 strings?
10:03:46	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Except for if a == b
10:04:02	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> And can you ignore the case?
10:04:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> strutils.cmpIgnoreCase
10:04:33	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> okay thanks
10:04:46	FromDiscord	<Rika> read the docs, it returns an int
10:04:57	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> what
10:05:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> -1 for less than, 0 for equal, 1 for greater than
10:05:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> or actually just "less than 0" for less than, etc
10:05:24	FromDiscord	<Rika> not necessarily -1
10:06:11	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> But like what I need is "is a equal to b, case doesn't matter"
10:06:28	FromDiscord	<Rika> yes yes
10:06:36	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Like Java's .equalsIgnoreCase
10:06:37	FromDiscord	<Rika> so its just `a.cmpIgnoreCase(b) == 0"
10:06:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> (edit) '0"' => '0`'
10:06:45	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Oh okay
10:09:45	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Is the func keyword really used?
10:09:50	FromDiscord	<Rika> yes
10:09:53	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Or can I just call everything proc?
10:10:01	FromDiscord	<Rika> you can do either
10:10:08	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Is there any real advantage with func?
10:10:12	FromDiscord	<Rika> func just gives a bit more ensurance
10:10:17	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> oh okay
10:10:42	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Anything that contains no output can be a func, correct?
10:11:59	FromDiscord	<Rika> anything that uses no globals
10:12:35	FromDiscord	<Rika> procs that use globals include `echo`
10:13:19	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Okay
10:14:31	FromDiscord	<lqdev> it's not procs that don't use globals
10:14:37	FromDiscord	<lqdev> it's procs that don't have side effects
10:14:47	FromDiscord	<lqdev> using globals is a side effect
10:14:50	FromDiscord	<lqdev> IO is also a side effect
10:15:00	FromDiscord	<Rika> eh i forget
10:15:00	FromDiscord	<lqdev> echo doesn't use globals
10:15:16	FromDiscord	<Rika> is stdout not technically counted as a global
10:15:25	FromDiscord	<lqdev> echo doesn't use the stdout variable
10:15:26	alehander92	what happened
10:15:33	alehander92	to the alternative
10:15:34	alehander92	funcs
10:15:41	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> okay so no globals and no io. will the compiler complain automatically if func doesn't work?
10:15:53	FromDiscord	<lqdev> yes
10:15:55	FromDiscord	<Rika> yes
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10:26:36	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> ah then its fine+
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10:57:03	PMunch	Zevv, oh I use docker for building my project. Which is great, because I can give the docker container to the testers and they can build their own version without having to set up everything (because I've done it for them in the docker container). I've also used it for a web-page thingy, which was also nice because I could just send a container to ops and they could run it without having to set up anything.
10:57:22	PMunch	Just saves me a lot of work from trying to explain how to set up all these bits and pieces
10:57:48	PMunch	@Lecale, that's the "magic" of BOM..
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11:29:36	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I used the same code to compare tuples to showcase that different type tuples with same fields of same name in same order are identical, but i don't know how to do it with objects...↵https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSj
11:31:15	PMunch	You can't compare two different objects like that
11:31:50	PMunch	Since in this case the objects are identical you can cast one to the other
11:32:11	PMunch	Or you could simply remove one of them
11:33:16	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Well i am trying to prove the statement... i think the fact that you can't == them proves the statement that objects are not comparable like tuples are.
11:33:46	PMunch	Well not arbitrary objects..
11:36:48	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> How can you divide a string using spaces?
11:37:18	FromDiscord	<lqdev> splitWhitespace
11:38:29	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> And say I have the string "a b" it will give me seq["a", "b"], correct?
11:38:52	PMunch	!eval import strutils; echo "a b".splitWhitespace
11:38:54	NimBot	@["a", "b"]
11:40:00	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> And I can say var substring = "a b".splitWhitespace[0] and I get substring = "a" ?
11:40:19	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> (edit) 'var' => '`var' | 'b".splitWhitespace[0]' => 'b".splitWhitespace[0]`' | removed 'I' | 'substring' => '`substring' | '"a"' => '"a"`'
11:40:24	PMunch	!eval import strutils; var substring = "a b".splitWhitespace[0]; echo substring
11:40:26	NimBot	a
11:40:39	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> what is this !eval?
11:40:55	PMunch	It's telling NimBot to evaluate NimCode by using the playground :P
11:40:58	FromDiscord	<Rika> bot runs the code after "eval"
11:41:00	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Ah okay makes sense
11:41:07	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Okay thanks
11:41:23	PMunch	play.nim-lang.org
11:41:28	PMunch	Using that
11:43:05	PMunch	Hmm, strange. When cross-compiling to a 32-bit binary I must add "nodecl" to a procedure I import from C, lest I get "undefined reference to `edns_opt_list_append@20'"
11:43:21	PMunch	Works fine when compiling with 64-bit
11:43:26	PMunch	With and without the pragma
11:43:40	PMunch	Is this a subtle error where the signatures doesn't actually match?
11:43:53	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> So for comparing tuples with tuples, using the "==" operator is good right ?
11:44:02	PMunch	Yup
11:44:11	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> okay
11:44:12	PMunch	Should be at least
11:45:12	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> vs code instantly whines if the fields are not the same, so that should prove inequality. (Man these videos take forever, i always end up adding more than i thought i will)
11:48:23	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> hey! is there a way to pass as macro param array element ?
11:48:33	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> (edit) 'as' => 'to' | 'tomacro param ... array' => 'tomacro paramas'
11:49:25	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSn
11:49:58	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSo
11:49:59	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Maybe arrays cant be untyped
11:50:18	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> oh, sry, not even the array, it's from tuple
11:51:04	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Then I have no idea sorry
11:51:12	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> How can I make a program await input?
11:51:26	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> making game?
11:51:41	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> use glfw or smthing ?
11:53:47	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> stdin.readLine() iirc
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11:58:23	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Not in the console
11:58:58	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Program is running until one point where it needs an input (e. g. press enter) to continue
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12:24:51	moerm	Hello everyone ;)
12:25:14	PMunch	Hi moerm
12:25:29	PMunch	@XxDiCaprioxX, you want a popup?
12:27:24	FromDiscord	<lqdev> @Pixeye what are you trying to do?
12:29:57	FromGitter	<alehander92> test
12:30:21	alehander92	sorry, wanted to see something on gitter
12:35:43	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> I do not want a popup
12:36:06	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Just the program doing nothing until a certain event#
12:36:45	PMunch	Hmm, so you want your program to just sit idle until you hit enter in the terminal?
12:36:55	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Basically yes
12:37:10	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> I see asyncdispatch has proc waitFor[T](fut: Future[T]): T
12:37:29	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> As I am working on a discord bot that should work, right?
12:37:55	PMunch	Wait, should the program do something in the background?
12:38:38	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> No
12:40:40	PMunch	Then why not just a blocking call to read from stdin?
12:41:10	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> It is a discord bot
12:41:12	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> So no option
12:41:32	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> I just wanted to make a simple example
12:41:59	PMunch	Why is it not an option?
12:42:28	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> Isn't stdin a system thing?
12:42:57	PMunch	It's standard input, basically just the input to the terminal
12:43:25	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> But on a discord server
12:43:29	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> How would it do that
12:43:58	PMunch	What do you mean "on a discord server"? You said you wanted to hit enter on the command line..
12:44:24	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> I said that because I did not want to complicate unnecessarily
12:44:33	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> And just have a simple example
12:44:44	PMunch	I think you simplified a bit too much :P
12:45:10	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> yeah probably haha
12:48:17	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> So basically I want to have my bot wait for a certain message in the channel after it got called
12:49:29	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSA
13:03:05	alehander92	don't use waitFor
13:03:12	alehander92	it shouldn't be used in async functions
13:03:41	alehander92	use it only in sync functions that invoke async, e.g. your top level code
13:04:39	alehander92	use await <call that receives messag>
13:05:04	alehander92	and now, this call can be a completion of a future
13:05:25	alehander92	that gets completed on an event somewhere else (but i'd guess your discord code already has an api for that)
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13:08:04	moerm	Have a nice day everyone
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13:09:51	FromDiscord	<XxDiCaprioxX> you too
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13:39:44	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> @lqdev I'm trying to put untyped macro into the template
13:41:54	FromDiscord	<lqdev> not sure what you mean
13:42:09	FromDiscord	<lqdev> which template?
13:43:08	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tST
13:43:28	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSU
13:43:41	FromDiscord	<lqdev> right. makes sense so far
13:43:59	FromDiscord	<lqdev> lemme think
13:44:23	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSV
13:44:38	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/11091 this is the nearest related stuff I found
13:44:40	disbot	➥ untyped macro nested in template: getting sym instead of idents ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tSW
13:45:19	FromDiscord	<lqdev> you don't need the {.used.} if your template is exported btw
13:45:31	FromDiscord	<lqdev> i suppose testMask is what generates your variable?
13:45:42	FromDiscord	<lqdev> with the modified name
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14:00:18	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/PkU
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14:01:55	FromDiscord	<Pixeye> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tTd
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14:10:56	disruptek	gonna be a hot one, nimions.
14:17:22	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> does `nimble install` define `release` or `danger` by default?
14:18:41	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> I guess it does - becaue `nimble build` doesn't follow the same code path
14:19:01	dom96	release
14:20:22	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> if I define `danger` in a `config.nims` will that override?
14:20:56	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> I would assume so
14:21:37	disruptek	danger/release in config files is overridden by the cli.
14:22:20	disruptek	annoyingly, the compiler's notice about the build type is inaccurate.
14:22:24	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> ooph
14:23:19	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> well - for now it doesn't matter too much but eventually it will
14:23:38	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> (edit) 'well - for now it doesn't matter too much ... but' => 'well - for now it doesn't matter too much(for me)'
14:24:01	disruptek	diplomacy, i like it.
14:24:17	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> eh it might mean using nimph or something
14:24:49	disruptek	as soon as i released 1.0.0, it stopped working.
14:25:00	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> heh
14:25:30	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> is there a way to use nimble solely as a dependency manager and not a build tool?
14:25:39	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> like is there a `install dependencies` command for nimble?
14:25:52	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> and then can you overload `nimble build / install` to do nothing?
14:26:01	disruptek	--depsOnly
14:26:07	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> ah cool - that will work then
14:26:09	disruptek	try --help once in awhile, chucklehead.
14:26:15	FromDiscord	<Zachary Carter> man I'm way too lazy for that
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14:37:29	shashlick	nimble build -d:danger works
14:51:29	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> https://youtu.be/aME-tyPCPvE↵↵Heres another one of my videos on Nim for beginners.↵I hope i didn't make any errors(besides 4-5 seconds missing at object init. with values(how the F. did that happen in the cutting part... meh))
14:54:47	disruptek	let's try making things better.
14:55:11	disruptek	WHO IS WITH ME?
14:55:32	Zevv	i am so tired
14:55:41	Zevv	i just gave up
15:00:19	Oddmonger	maybe tomorrow
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15:31:43	FromDiscord	<kodkuce> @Kiloneie keep the good work 🙂
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15:45:56	FromDiscord	<haxscramper> How do I 'transfer' mutability from parameter type to result type? I want to declare function that accepts either mutable or immutable argument and returns one of its fields as `var` or non-var type depending on argument mutability. E.g. I want to have a *single* function that behaves like `proc aux(a: var Type): var Field` or `proc aux(a: Type): Field`.
15:47:47	FromDiscord	<haxscramper> The only solution that I could come up with is moving implementation to template and declaring two functions but this is just glorified copy-pasting and I want to know if there is some kind of 'cleaner' way to do this.
15:50:10	leorize[m]	sadly this is the easiest way
15:50:16	leorize[m]	or... you can just make a template and export that instead
15:51:07	leorize[m]	since it's a template (which is just an AST snippet), the mutability of the underlying field will translate directly into the "return type"
15:51:11	Zevv	haxscramper: do you have philisophical issues with using two procs and a template?
15:51:16	Zevv	because you implement your code only once
15:51:24	Zevv	it is true that you end up with two compiled implementations
15:53:10	alehander92	zevv
15:53:21	Zevv	alehander92
15:53:21	alehander92	i have philosophical issues with your philosophyu
15:53:29	alehander92	i am writing you so you can prepare
15:53:34	alehander92	for my great analysis
15:53:34	Zevv	what is that, a philosophyu
15:53:51	alehander92	come on man the interviews with my accent are enough
15:54:01	alehander92	be happy you're not google meeting me
15:54:29	alehander92	it does sound romanian tho
15:56:11	FromDiscord	<haxscramper> I just wanted to know if there is something better than copy-pasting (in this case template is just more convenient Ctrl-C Ctrl-V)
15:56:45	Zevv	alehander92: I have extensive experience with romanians
15:56:47	Zevv	I own three of them
15:56:52	Zevv	eh, rule
15:56:53	Zevv	no
15:56:54	Zevv	manage
15:56:58	Zevv	yes, that's the word
15:57:21	Zevv	an to be honest, I don't understand their inside jokes, but the romanian humor suits me
15:57:30	Zevv	what I do not like though
15:57:39	Zevv	are the romanian sweets they bring with them after holidays
15:58:03	Zevv	Except for the ROMs
15:58:08	Zevv	I can take ROMs
16:00:14	alehander92	oh is this the wafer
16:00:25	alehander92	when i went to romania i saw those chocolates with the romanian flag
16:00:30	alehander92	very patriotic
16:00:52	alehander92	they do have nice pastry btw
16:01:18	Zevv	lets make a deal
16:01:22	Zevv	you send me roms
16:01:27	Zevv	i send you stroopwafels
16:01:29	alehander92	and they are famous for corn in bulgaria
16:01:31	alehander92	i think
16:01:40	alehander92	oh dude
16:01:43	Zevv	i can also send you weed, but that'll be for your own risk
16:01:45	alehander92	i eat too much of those in belgium
16:01:47	alehander92	on fosdem
16:01:55	alehander92	i shouldn't eat so much
16:02:15	Zevv	~nono you are mixing things up
16:02:16	disbot	no footnotes for `nono`. 🙁
16:02:18	alehander92	and i don't think we have ROM-s here, they are some kind of national thing
16:02:24	Zevv	stroopwafels != wafels
16:02:34	Zevv	google that shit
16:02:38	Zevv	oh no deal then
16:02:41	alehander92	i can send you svoge
16:03:06	Zevv	whats the promillage?
16:03:10	alehander92	and honey
16:03:11	Zevv	alcohol co
16:03:15	Zevv	ntent
16:03:21	alehander92	haha no
16:03:32	alehander92	rakia is huge, but i am not making you a drunk, dude
16:03:51	alehander92	i can send you yoghurt tho, it's like big in japan
16:03:55	Zevv	we shoudl do that next fosdem meetup. everybody bring 3 national goodies, put it all on the table and divide
16:04:01	alehander92	they fly the stuff with planes
16:04:07	alehander92	iirc
16:04:16	Zevv	not with cows
16:04:22	Zevv	but with planes
16:04:27	alehander92	it can't grow there
16:04:33	Zevv	because cows have a hard time handling the landing
16:04:38	alehander92	like, if you leave your milk here on the sun
16:04:45	alehander92	it just yoghurts or something
16:04:46	Zevv	wht cant it grow there?
16:04:50	alehander92	i am very bad at biology
16:04:56	Zevv	yeah its like magic
16:04:56	alehander92	it depends on particular bacteria i think
16:05:03	Zevv	just like this bread i make. i just m
16:05:05	alehander92	yeah cows handle a lot more man
16:05:10	alehander92	they even handle writes
16:05:15	alehander92	.... ohhhhhh so good
16:05:23	Zevv	ix flour and water, scratch my skull and genitals over the bowl and voila
16:05:31	alehander92	C O W i expect my linux award
16:05:36	Zevv	three days later I have a live dough going
16:06:03	alehander92	did you pass the keyboard to disruptek
16:06:06	alehander92	in the middle of the sentence
16:06:12	alehander92	this is NSFL
16:06:26	Zevv	oh sorry, bad influences I guess
16:06:36	Zevv	anyway, im afk because of diner!
16:06:42	Zevv	it was a pleasure!
16:06:46	alehander92	my wife also made me sandwiches
16:06:48	alehander92	see ya!
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16:20:07	disruptek	dat bread dough
16:21:59	alehander92	dude
16:22:13	alehander92	keep zevv of the bad language!
16:22:26	disruptek	the man is a menace.
16:22:43	alehander92	i dont know.
16:22:56	alehander92	he is a man, and an ace
16:23:29	alehander92	today i read about OT
16:23:34	disruptek	OT?
16:23:34	alehander92	i do a lot of other stuff
16:23:37	alehander92	but i am trying to get it
16:23:43	alehander92	operational transforms
16:23:49	disruptek	what is that/
16:23:52	alehander92	it seems crdt is not everything
16:24:07	disruptek	crdt is not everything.
16:24:15	alehander92	basically a simple way to encode how people collaborate
16:24:24	alehander92	with a central server
16:24:27	disruptek	have you seen gun?
16:24:56	alehander92	i am preparing for an interview at an american company.
16:25:02	disruptek	oh yeah?
16:25:09	alehander92	i hope it's not really insensitive
16:25:22	alehander92	i haven't seen the gun you're talking about yet
16:25:23	disruptek	which part?
16:25:29	disruptek	https://gun.eco/
16:25:43	alehander92	well, you told me there are many jobless in usa
16:26:11	alehander92	but you guys have cool software
16:27:14	alehander92	hm, it sounds as something different
16:27:24	alehander92	it seems OT specifcally needs a central server
16:27:41	disruptek	yes, but just as an aside... look at how gun does conflict resolution.
16:27:48	disruptek	it's pretty interesting.
16:28:09	disruptek	https://github.com/amark/gun
16:28:10	alehander92	https://www.tiny.cloud/blog/real-time-collaboration-ot-vs-crdt/
16:28:41	disruptek	damn sidebar takes up most of the page. the content is one word per line.
16:28:50	alehander92	`cat.slave = mark;`
16:28:55	alehander92	those people live freely
16:29:00	alehander92	<3
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16:29:30	alehander92	but i like they still use a cat as an example of a boss
16:29:46	alehander92	as you get the vegans on your side like that
16:29:57	disruptek	i eat vegans for breakfast.
16:30:14	alehander92	don't do that
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16:30:30	disruptek	dude, ima impl goroutines in nim.
16:30:45	disruptek	i think i'm ready.
16:31:25	alehander92	oh man you just know someone did it, right
16:31:33	alehander92	or maybe it was just interfacing with them
16:31:55	disruptek	no.
16:31:58	disruptek	that's golib.
16:32:09	alehander92	https://github.com/stefantalpalaru/golib-nim
16:32:13	disruptek	i've come full circle.
16:32:20	disruptek	https://irclogs.nim-lang.org/29-04-2019.html#16:31:55
16:32:24	alehander92	ok, sounds cool: otherwise thanks for the gun link, i'll keep it in mind
16:32:44	disruptek	you have to look at the gun paper. it's the science that is interesting, not the impl.
16:33:13	alehander92	ok
16:33:21	alehander92	i'll leave it for tomorrow!
16:33:22	disruptek	which company are you interviewing with?
16:33:27	alehander92	repl.it
16:33:35	disruptek	oh that's cool.
16:33:46	alehander92	i mean probably they get super many ppl
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16:33:55	disruptek	not many super people, though.
16:33:56	alehander92	but it's worth a try
16:34:07	alehander92	i am trying at many other companies
16:34:12	disruptek	yeah?
16:34:14	alehander92	wait, i wanted to write those guys
16:34:53	alehander92	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24054343
16:35:34	alehander92	but mostly it's hard to get a response from those, probably they get too many emails after hn
16:35:47	alehander92	most of my interviews seem local to bulgaria
16:36:07	alehander92	including the haskell thing. still trying to wrap my head around stuff
16:36:30	disruptek	i'm learning that people just don't want what i'm selling.
16:38:42	alehander92	hm, this is always a pickle
16:38:45	alehander92	for us programmers
16:39:28	disruptek	i dunno, i think talented and experienced people get hired easily.
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16:44:45	FromDiscord	<dom96> people with connections get hired easily
16:45:31	alehander92	praise God, i found the ad
16:45:41	disruptek	oh i have connections. that's the problem: people know me.
16:45:43	alehander92	i just need to write down a little intro
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16:46:22	alehander92	disruptek you're right, but i think personal motivation plays a role
16:47:02	alehander92	e.g. mismatching interests/expectations can often happen
16:47:33	disruptek	i'm not sure about that. i can usually convince an interviewer that i will kill their family if they don't hire me.
16:47:43	disruptek	it's just hard to get those interviews.
16:47:46	alehander92	which can't possibly help
16:47:56	alehander92	that's weird
16:48:01	disruptek	i know.
16:48:11	alehander92	i am almost sure, i can get you interviews
16:48:22	alehander92	if it wasn't for the weirdness of a third person sending cold mails
16:48:56	disruptek	i need to work at self-promotion. it's just hard with so many agencies surveilling.
16:49:15	alehander92	i think it would be very easy for you
16:49:22	alehander92	but i suspect you're looking for something niche
16:49:24	disruptek	also, the nim compiler is letting me down in a big way.
16:49:45	alehander92	the old chap
16:49:51	disruptek	have you played with my testes?
16:50:24	FromDiscord	<dom96> That sort of talk will only get you hired in very specific industries, and it won't be at a tech company
16:50:38	disruptek	what?
16:50:46	alehander92	i really thought old chap means something more innocent
16:51:02	FromDiscord	<dom96> Hrm, actually, maybe you could try PornHub? 😛
16:51:04	disruptek	dom96: get your mind out of the gutter.
16:51:34	alehander92	dom96 looking at the linux code comments from the 90s ..
16:51:42	alehander92	it wasn't always like that
16:52:24	alehander92	but i also wish for a normal library name. just call it `testio-bear`
16:52:55	alehander92	or something
16:52:58	disruptek	bare-testes?
16:53:33	alehander92	~naming is .
16:53:34	disbot	naming: 11.
16:53:52	alehander92	you can use random bulgarian words
16:53:59	alehander92	`проба
16:54:13	disruptek	i can't even type that shit.
16:54:14	alehander92	look: sounds misterious, and it's hard to write. great name
16:54:26	alehander92	it makes it hard to copy!
16:54:37	FromDiscord	<dom96> best passwords are soviet passwords
16:54:52	alehander92	i hope they dont recognize you
16:54:58	alehander92	would be a bit chinese tech level!
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16:55:08	FromDiscord	<lqdev> disruptek: npo6a
16:55:17	disruptek	we will all be chinese soon enough.
16:55:21	alehander92	sounds like a rapper
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17:01:42	FromDiscord	<tomck> Is there a way to allocate & copy a value into that spot, in a single expression?
17:01:44	Zevv	so disruptek, where were we
17:02:09	FromDiscord	<tomck> like, `newInit(MyValue(x: ...))` to get a `ref MyValue`
17:02:29	FromDiscord	<tomck> seems I can only do `newInit(MyValue)` in one line, then manually assign all the values afterwards, which can be a pain sometimes
17:02:45	FromDiscord	<tomck> (I don't care about extra copies)
17:03:04	disruptek	can you give an example?
17:03:07	disruptek	a real example?
17:03:34	disruptek	Zevv: i first threatened to impl csp in april of 2019. it's overdue!
17:03:47	Zevv	no no you threatened to impl core async
17:03:52	Zevv	I remember that
17:03:54	disruptek	same difference.
17:04:08	Zevv	that was end of april somewhere I believe
17:04:19	disruptek	tomck: myNewRefObject(x: 1, y: 2) -- alloc and return
17:04:30	Zevv	disruptek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUrOebC5HmA other one
17:04:42	Zevv	"split it up into a state machine"
17:05:05	FromDiscord	<tomck> I have an 'init' function which returns a value of the object, is there any standard function to take a `T` and return a `ref T`?
17:05:32	FromDiscord	<tomck> otherwise if I have an object whihc I sometimes want to use as a value, and i sometimes want to use as a ref, I need to double-implement all the construction functions
17:05:49	disruptek	sometimes you want it on the stack and other times you don't?
17:05:51	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Ah, no, but zevv proposed to add it to the stdlib
17:05:51	disruptek	why?
17:06:03	FromDiscord	<tomck> Err i just do
17:06:09	FromDiscord	<tomck> that seems pretty common (to me)
17:06:19	disruptek	write a template.
17:06:31	Zevv	no you can't do that. You cant magically "ref" a non ref
17:06:42	Zevv	it requires a deep copy
17:06:42	disruptek	you can.
17:06:47	Zevv	no dude.
17:06:50	FromDiscord	<tomck> i want to shallow copy
17:06:52	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> its not a deep copy
17:07:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> you don't have to copy ref fields
17:07:07	Zevv	oh right, it doesn't need to be deep
17:07:07	disruptek	everybody in the world, is bent.
17:07:12	Zevv	sorry
17:07:14	Zevv	my wrong
17:07:22	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> *you* proposed it haha
17:07:22	disruptek	no apologize.
17:07:24	Zevv	but still, it *is* a copy :)
17:07:26	disruptek	now apologize.
17:07:28	disruptek	now apologize!
17:07:34	Zevv	no, I proposed syntax for new object constructors
17:07:37	Zevv	new Thing(val: 42)
17:07:46	disruptek	(ref Thing)
17:07:53	Zevv	that is nasty
17:07:59	FromDiscord	<tomck> yes, is there a way to allocate + copy something into a `ref T`, or do i write that myself?
17:08:26	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @tomck proc new(a: T): ref T = result = new T; result[] = a
17:08:34	FromDiscord	<tomck> Can i explicitly shallow copy? LIke if I moved a `seq[T]` to a `ref seq[T]`, would that copy the whole contents of the `seq[T]`? because I wouldn't want that, I'd want a 'move constructor' or whatever
17:08:56	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Are you using arc?
17:09:00	FromDiscord	<tomck> no
17:09:04	disruptek	why not?
17:09:11	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> In general, you can trust the compiler to move it
17:09:22	FromDiscord	<tomck> i have a gc project & i don't want to just move to move semantics + refs + all that
17:09:29	FromDiscord	<tomck> errrrrrrrrrr interesting ok
17:10:09	FromDiscord	<tomck> alright ta, i'll just hope that works i suppose, i'll be back if there are weird performance issues dw;)
17:10:18	FromDiscord	<tomck> thanks for the help
17:10:20	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> np
17:10:33	FromDiscord	<tomck> also, any chance this gets added to the stdlib? seems like a really common function, i'm surprised it's not there already
17:10:41	disruptek	clyybber: does your pr fix some cps stuff?
17:10:49	disruptek	tomck: it's smelly.
17:10:51	FromDiscord	<tomck> that way we can also get the `new T(x: 0, y: 0)` syntax
17:11:00	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @tomck Yeah, I vor for adding it to the stdlib
17:11:01	FromDiscord	<tomck> which would probably always optimise away the copy trivially
17:11:01	disruptek	we already have that.
17:11:06	FromDiscord	<tomck> do we?
17:11:08	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> But araq is on holidays currently
17:11:12	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: We don't
17:11:18	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> You are thinking RefObject(x:0)
17:11:21	disruptek	yes.
17:11:29	disruptek	true, we did talk about adding new.
17:11:30	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> He wants new NoRefObject(x: 0)
17:11:38	disruptek	rude.
17:11:47	FromDiscord	<tomck> Ah gtg, ty for help
17:11:55	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh, eh my PR doesn't fix any CPS issues I think
17:12:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but it should at least give you confidence that your nimcall actually is a nimcall
17:12:09	Zevv	https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tUC
17:12:10	Zevv	too bad
17:12:17	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> because before it would get silently turned into a closure
17:12:18	disruptek	i'm starting to think my mangling bug is a nim bug.
17:12:23	Zevv	We need a '--gc:arc' checkbox on nim playground
17:12:27	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> if you ever pass a closure to it
17:12:37	disruptek	right.
17:12:49	Zevv	it does do the right thing with arc tho
17:14:11	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: The cpp bug?
17:14:16	disruptek	yeah.
17:14:18	Zevv	all of them!
17:14:34	disruptek	well, we have a couple macro bugs and an arc bug blocking us, too.
17:14:43	Zevv	the arc is not blocking
17:14:55	Zevv	we can work perfectly fine without arc, we only can't do proper performance testing
17:15:07	Zevv	the gensym we can work around as well, for now
17:15:27	disruptek	exceptions.
17:15:29	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I wonder if devel will break you
17:15:38	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> koch boot faster
17:15:40	Zevv	I was broken long ago
17:16:25	disruptek	it's 31° in here. 😩
17:16:46	Oddmonger	lucky man
17:16:47	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> hey, it didn't break you \o/
17:17:10	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: probs to you for not using the F word
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17:18:29	disruptek	it's annoying that proc prototypes are generated without actually having a source proc.
17:18:44	Zevv	man the more I read clojure, the more I want to drop nim and go there
17:18:57	disruptek	the problem is performance and ffi.
17:19:00	Zevv	life without syntax must be great
17:19:18	disruptek	we can build it inside nim.
17:19:31	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Life with JVM must be great
17:19:34	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> or you can just use closure, and come back crying
17:19:49	disruptek	i think it's pretty damned nice.
17:19:55	FromDiscord	<IanIAnIAN> use Nyquist instead
17:20:07	disruptek	but, we can get into the jvm with graal, eventually.
17:20:27	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: It is, but braces just arent for humans IMO
17:20:54	disruptek	silly.
17:20:57	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and after all the language is the medium between us and the computer
17:20:58	FromDiscord	<dom96> > it's 31° in here. 😩↵@disruptek[IRC]#0000 34C here and no AC
17:21:16	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> getting cloudy here, finally
17:21:36	disruptek	35 inside my rv.
17:21:44	disruptek	poor dog.
17:21:46	disruptek	~bentley
17:21:47	disbot	bentley: 11https://imgur.com/gallery/yEXiWWG -- disruptek
17:21:47	disbot	bentley: 11a good boy
17:21:52	FromDiscord	<dom96> Just waiting for https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/742794926005420123/unknown.png
17:22:01	FromDiscord	<dom96> RAIN ON MEHHH
17:22:37	Zevv	we just had a nice hour of downpour
17:22:48	Zevv	it's at least, like, 1.5°C cooler now
17:24:07	disruptek	anyway, let's build this thing.
17:27:20	disruptek	or would you rather switch to clojure?
17:27:49	Zevv	nah i'm watching this vid. It was cool when the procs were 4 lines big and there were 3 of them. But the larger examples are becoming totally illegible
17:28:15	Zevv	just this whirling soup of parentheses on my screen
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17:38:26	FromGitter	<benash> Anyone know why I might be getting an SSL error when doing a GET with `httpClient` but not `libcurl`? I also only get it for one particular host, not all https connections. The message is: `Error: unhandled exception: TLS/SSL connection failed to initiate, socket closed prematurely. [SslError]`
17:39:25	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Zevv: Can I see the example of the soup?
17:40:45	Zevv	https://youtu.be/JUrOebC5HmA?t=1106
17:41:00	Zevv	I count 6 )s in a ro
17:41:05	Zevv	can also be 7, can't tell
17:41:34	Zevv	ain't nobody got eyes to look at that
17:41:45	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> exactly
17:44:20	FromDiscord	<PizzaFox> does the openssl wrapper library have aes support? i looked at the docs page and didnt see anything but wanted to double check
17:44:48	FromDiscord	<dom96> Zevv, disruptek: What is this? A Clojure channel?
17:45:06	FromDiscord	<dom96> > does the openssl wrapper library have aes support? i looked at the docs page and didnt see anything but wanted to double check↵@PizzaFox dunno, but if it doesn't then add it 🙂
17:45:17	Zevv	sure. We praise the high level concepts, but we bash the syntax and the implementation
17:49:46	disruptek	i think dom96 is afraid of clojure.
17:50:32	FromDiscord	<dom96> I created a website for a Clojure book once
17:50:35	Zevv	so disruptek, given your #31, what do you propose. Do we put them in the right order and implement them one by one?
17:50:51	disruptek	do we have that many issues?
17:50:53	FromDiscord	<dom96> Back in my blunder years
17:51:10	disruptek	oh shoot.
17:51:15	Zevv	dom96: I bet a clojure book would have brought in more money then a nim book
17:51:16	Zevv	:)
17:53:02	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> afaik there a pr open for aes support
17:53:04	FromDiscord	<dom96> The only Clojure book vs. the only Nim book, perhaps. But one of many Clojure books, not so sure 🙂
17:53:20	Zevv	true, that :)
17:53:47	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> ah scratch that
17:54:20	FromDiscord	<dom96> The advance for Nim in Action has been paid off btw, which from what I've read is rare for (programming) books
17:56:14	disruptek	Zevv: it's not a linear rewrite; it's more of a graph.
17:58:02	Zevv	sure, but is it possible to isolate each stage, concentrate on that, test it, and then do the next one
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17:58:23	Zevv	the alternative is just take what there is now and iteratively mold it into where you want it to go, of course
17:59:14	disruptek	i think we probably do want to iterate. i have a bad habit of writing a lot of code that doesn't work for weeks on end.
17:59:31	Zevv	hehe
17:59:58	disruptek	IC is mostly done once mangling works. kinda funny.
18:01:14	disruptek	do you have a workaround for typed? because iirc, we are blocked there.
18:01:33	disruptek	holy shit, cps has 27 stars already.
18:01:35	Zevv	well, the only problem is that you can't generate a function with the same name, right?
18:01:41	Zevv	why not just call it another name for now
18:01:49	disruptek	who are these people and why don't we have any issues from them?
18:01:56	Zevv	no one actually runs this stuff
18:02:02	alehander92	it sounds cool
18:02:28	Zevv	I thought it would be cool as hell. But now that it kind of works, it's not es enthralling as I expected it to be.
18:02:37	disruptek	don't be silly.
18:02:39	Zevv	it's just doing what it should do. the magic is gone
18:02:45	disruptek	lol
18:02:56	disruptek	it was sexier when it was more magical?
18:03:00	Zevv	sure
18:03:06	Zevv	just like sex was sexier when it was magical
18:03:06	disruptek	that's too funny.
18:03:44	Zevv	but still, all I do is talk talk, but I don't do any of the coding on this
18:03:45	disruptek	csp over cps is going to blow some minds.
18:04:52	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I think calling it another name is a fine workaround for now
18:05:17	disruptek	show me.
18:05:50	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I'd rather fix the root cause
18:06:02	disruptek	show me.
18:06:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> of course
18:06:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> show me.
18:06:18	disruptek	i'm trying.
18:06:21	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: I'm trying. But my fix is wrong
18:06:25	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> wtf
18:06:29	disruptek	wtf
18:06:42	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> one mind two ppl
18:07:15	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> whats this https://github.com/disruptek/dust
18:07:19	disruptek	wherever you think the problem is, it's not there.
18:07:27	disruptek	dust?
18:07:50	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: WDYM?
18:08:05	disruptek	you're looking for the problem in the wrong place.
18:08:15	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> the problem is typed args leaking into the caller scope
18:08:31	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> which they must not
18:09:25	disruptek	dust is unattended syntax truncation, obviously.
18:10:17	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and wine is not an emulator, got it
18:10:55	disruptek	yep.
18:15:35	disruptek	i'm out of tequila.
18:15:50	disruptek	normally, this wouldn't be a problem, but i'm out of edibles, too.
18:16:24	FromDiscord	<dom96> Note: The Nim community does not condone drug use.
18:16:42	disruptek	speak for yourself.
18:16:56	Yardanico	we need a new channel for disruptek specifically
18:16:58	Yardanico	#nim-wild
18:17:11	Yardanico	and I'm not even fully joking
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18:17:32	disruptek	hey man, one cannot approach hacking the compiler with a clear mind.
18:17:44	FromDiscord	<KingDarBoja> 😄
18:17:48	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> is there a workaround for {.inject.} not working on proc args?
18:18:05	disruptek	what?
18:18:09	Yardanico	by using "var arg {.inject.} = arg"
18:18:15	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> compiler freaks out if I do `template someArgs: untyped = someArgImpl`
18:18:17	Yardanico	disruptek: I think they're talking about procs made by templates
18:18:25	Yardanico	and injecting proc arguments
18:18:28	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> some of them are `var` types...
18:18:51	Yardanico	provide the name of the arg to the call to the template
18:19:33	Yardanico	or use simple macros
18:19:39	Yardanico	stuff like quote do or getAst exists
18:19:40	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I don't understand the issue
18:19:48	Yardanico	@Clyybber it's simple
18:19:51	disruptek	once i had tequila.
18:19:53	disruptek	now i don't.
18:20:41	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Yardanico: Is it about `proc p(a {.inject.}: T)` not owkring?
18:20:44	Yardanico	if I understood correctly, they're asking for how to inject data here
18:20:45	Yardanico	https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tUR
18:20:46	Yardanico	yeah
18:20:59	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah, I remember asking araq about that one
18:21:08	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> if it makes sense to gensym proc args at all
18:21:26	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but he was too tired to think about it that day :)
18:21:31	Yardanico	I think you can use byaddr
18:21:32	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and now hes gone into the abyss
18:21:50	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tUS
18:22:13	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> basically the line saying `inc x` doesn't compile because there's no `x`
18:22:17	Yardanico	yeah see, almost like my example
18:22:34	Yardanico	@😬🤣 simplest way is to add argument names to the template arguments
18:22:51	Yardanico	also myProc will be gensym'd too
18:23:07	Yardanico	maybe you want a dirty template?
18:23:09	Yardanico	it'll work then
18:23:33	disruptek	when i take power, people that don't add argument names to templates will be first against the wall.
18:24:06	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> right, I got it working
18:24:12	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tUT
18:24:15	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> Thanks
18:24:40	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I'll make a fix for the fact that you can't do {.inject.} on the param
18:24:45	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> `myProc` didn't get gensym's btw
18:24:58	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah
18:25:01	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but its params did
18:25:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> thats the thing I'm not sure is a good idea :P
18:26:00	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> I'm guessing it's been in Nim forever so changing it would be a breaking change
18:26:13	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> procs not getting gensym'd
18:27:09	Yardanico	also if you are not against it, can you please change your discord nickname (I mean the one used for the handle, not the display name)? It would be a bit easier to ping you and talk with you :)
18:27:43	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @😬🤣 Nah, thats intended
18:27:52	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Procs are {.inject.} by default
18:27:58	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I'm talking about gensymming their parameters
18:28:37	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @Yardanico You could fix it in the bridge :P
18:28:40	Yardanico	fix what?
18:28:46	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> the name
18:28:48	Yardanico	??
18:28:50	Yardanico	it's emojis
18:28:54	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> by translating emojis to their text equivalent
18:28:55	Yardanico	meh
18:29:01	Yardanico	that would be much more verbose
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18:29:12	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> grimainglaughing
18:29:12	Yardanico	Honestly I wish services never allowed for full UTF-8 in handles :)
18:29:22	Yardanico	it's fine for display names, but not for handles
18:29:34	disruptek	it's almost like irc was a sufficient impl.
18:29:39	Yardanico	almost
18:29:46	Yardanico	need message editing support
18:30:33	FromDiscord	<dk> I'm pretty sure there's no difference between a handle and a display name in Discord
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18:30:42	FromDiscord	<dk> I'm the emoji person btw
18:30:58	Yardanico	there can be difference
18:31:03	Yardanico	if you change your display name on a server :)
18:31:07	Yardanico	on some specific server
18:31:53	FromDiscord	<KingDarBoja> Welcome DK (aka EmojiGuy)
18:36:25	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> If you change that lowercase dk to uppercase DK, you can be known as Donkey Kong.
18:37:32	FromDiscord	<dom96> https://tenor.com/view/confident-cocky-smirk-smile-sneer-gif-16053968
18:37:40	FromDiscord	<dom96> That's drift king to you
18:37:43	Yardanico	"https://tenor.com/view/confident-cocky-smirk-smile-sneer-gif-16053968"
18:37:51	Yardanico	that name
18:37:51	FromDiscord	<dom96> great url lol
18:38:21	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Did you both just get the same idea lol ?
18:38:29	Yardanico	no?
18:38:37	Yardanico	I posted the URL of the GIF because I thought it was funny
18:38:46	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/742814282961518623/unknown.png
18:38:48	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> ah okay, what movie is that ?
18:39:05	disruptek	fast and bi-curious.
18:40:34	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> is that the tokyo one ?
18:40:42	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i think i watched it
18:40:46	disruptek	nah.
18:41:29	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> google says no imdb page, therefore, o.o eh ?
18:42:44	FromDiscord	<dom96> yep, it's the Tokyo one
18:50:22	FromDiscord	<--HA--> When I iterate over an object with fieldPairs how do I check the type of the value? I want to do something if it's a string, something else if int and otherwise ignore it.
18:50:32	disruptek	when
18:51:28	disruptek	when value is int: ...
18:51:37	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> objectVar.fieldname.typeof is string ?
18:51:42	leorize[m]	@dom96 https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/15174 need your wisdom on this
18:51:43	disbot	➥ asyncnet: don't try to close the socket again [backport]
18:54:59	FromDiscord	<--HA--> Ah `is` works well for this. Thanks
18:58:01	FromDiscord	<dom96> leorize: commented
18:58:38	leorize[m]	so... why is there even a closed flag in the first place?
18:58:54	FromDiscord	<dom96> Check the blame?
19:00:34	leorize[m]	I did and you added it to fix asynchttpserver
19:00:49	leorize[m]	why it was done as a flag is beyond me
19:02:08	dom96	link to the commit?
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19:09:52	leorize[m]	dom96: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/efca06c71c47eb636aacefe97e5816dc2e1082ff
19:11:16	dom96	Well, it's obvious, no?
19:11:26	dom96	If the user of asynchttpserver closes the socket then asynchttpserver would blow uo
19:11:28	dom96	*up
19:11:31	dom96	with this change it won't
19:11:49	leorize[m]	but why a flag instead of just invalidating the socket?
19:12:48	leorize[m]	`net` seems to get by just fine without even having `isClosed` exported
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19:15:42	dom96	guess I preferred using a flag?
19:16:44	leorize[m]	but you're also the person who make the change for `net` to invalidate the socket... https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/1661062ebf147e55e29a0bfb8fc62dc7959b8614#diff-df7c4ae903eab01bc8c4f64f425b48c3R871
19:17:21	dom96	I didn't write `net` originally
19:17:50	dom96	well, the very early version that used osInvalidSocket
19:18:03	dom96	so I decided to just keep those semantics
19:20:06	disruptek	Zevv: you lied to me.
19:20:15	leorize[m]	so do you want me to get rid of `closed`? I don't see why we should waste a byte to store that one flag when it can be stored by `fd`
19:20:19	disruptek	there is no such thing as _flossin' easter_
19:21:20	dom96	sure, if you want, in a separate PR
19:21:39	Zevv	it's a dutch tradition
19:21:58	disruptek	creepy af.
19:22:12	Zevv	all the men of the village gather around the water pump, wearing their wooden shoes
19:22:49	disruptek	circle floss?
19:23:13	Zevv	kind of. floss is limited, so they just share this one piece, going round and round
19:23:39	disruptek	when i was wealthy, i had a prepubescent manling floss me in the nude. it's been awhile since i had a proper flossing.
19:26:09	Zevv	so, is thsi gensym bug blocking or is it not
19:26:24	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> the weird one?
19:27:14	Zevv	the "redefinition of 'X'; previous declaration here" one
19:27:34	disruptek	that's not a gensym bug afaik.
19:27:49	Zevv	aw right, I'm mixing things up
19:27:53	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah, more like a template/macro bug in general
19:27:53	Zevv	no wonder, with all these bugs we're having
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19:27:57	disruptek	it's side-effects due to sem afaict.
19:28:09	Zevv	ok, but is this one blocking for us, it's not really, is it
19:28:10	disruptek	you can be forgiven.
19:28:15	Zevv	it's inconvenient at most
19:28:17	disruptek	show me it's not.
19:28:34	Zevv	ok, reading the kids, then I'll give it a go
19:28:39	disruptek	kk
19:28:47	Zevv	today it's quantum fluctuations
19:28:52	Zevv	this book is so cool
19:28:56	disruptek	i was wondering when you'd get to that.
19:31:01	Zevv	http://www.letterenfonds.nl/en/book/1255/the-mystery-of-nothing-and-infinite-snot
19:33:16	disruptek	too bad it's dutch. i guess you can look at the pictures, at least.
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19:46:22	Zevv	the pictures are *also* very cool
19:48:17	Zevv	I hate how macros hae newTHisThat for some types and not for others
19:48:24	disruptek	yeah.
19:48:34	disruptek	i only use newThis for a couple of 'em.
19:48:42	Zevv	why don't we go build this stuff on pmunch's macro tools instead
19:48:56	disruptek	i thought about it, but i could tell you didn't like the sorta dep.
19:49:09	disruptek	admittedly, it's a little different.
19:49:23	Zevv	well, you saw my dep adventures the other day. Not being able to run nimph
19:49:25	Zevv	because of deps
19:49:26	disruptek	anyway, macros are going away.
19:49:35	Zevv	to be replaced by?
19:49:36	disruptek	don't feel bad, nimph doesn't work for me, either.
19:49:44	disruptek	to be replaced by runtime.
19:49:53	Zevv	elaborate
19:49:58	disruptek	actually, i re-tagged 1.0. it should work for people.
19:50:23	disruptek	the holy man comes down from the mountain in 3 days.
19:50:37	disruptek	he told us before he left that he'd be removing the vm.
19:50:40	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek is being sarcastic I think
19:50:43	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> what
19:50:45	disruptek	nah.
19:50:49	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh, yeah
19:50:58	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but that doesn't mean macros are going away
19:51:14	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and they aren't going to runtime either
19:51:14	disruptek	it's a slippery slope.
19:51:24	Zevv	so it pulls in half the compiler instead, or what?
19:51:27	disruptek	we won't need them much longer.
19:51:32	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> bs
19:51:37	FromDiscord	<Rika> thonk
19:51:39	Yardanico	it's just experiments
19:51:49	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Zevv: I think the idea was instead of using the VM you'd compile it to C and staticExec it
19:52:01	FromDiscord	<lqdev> if the vm goes away, now my scripting language will actually have a reason to exist ;)
19:52:01	disruptek	take the blue pill, wake up and believe whatever you want to believe.
19:52:02	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but the devil is in the details
19:52:20	Zevv	hmm that sounds non-trivial
19:52:53	disruptek	what's nontrivial is supporting two languages that do the same thing.
19:53:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> its one language two impls:)
19:53:14	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and not even that
19:53:28	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> they share the parse, sem phase
19:53:34	disruptek	you're allowed to be wrong, but first you must concede the point.
19:53:35	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so its really just the execution phase
19:53:52	Zevv	disruptek: http://ix.io/2tVn
19:54:03	Zevv	"show me how"
19:54:06	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> i am reading 4raq's destructor page, and this appears about nim without gc, `Strings and seqs will support O(1) slicing`, can somebody explain it to me, i still havent been teached big O notation :v
19:54:11	Zevv	am I that smart or are you that stupid?
19:54:22	disruptek	yes?
19:54:29	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @Recruit_main707 it means its constant time. No copying
19:55:09	Zevv	disruptek: no magic to it right? Just give it another name for now
19:55:12	Yardanico	@Recruit_main707
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19:55:24	Yardanico	O(1) usually means same timing regardless of the size/values/etc
19:55:34	disruptek	Zevv: have doFoo make two procs.
19:56:37	Zevv	http://ix.io/2tVo
19:56:43	Zevv	I can do three too, if you like that sort of thing
19:56:52	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> so... in practice, what restrictions does it have, it means i cant save a slice in a new variable?
19:58:21	Yardanico	?
19:58:37	Yardanico	that's not related to O notation at all
19:58:50	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> i dont understand what, "same timing" means here
19:58:50	disruptek	Zevv: so hack it into the typed branch?
19:59:11	Yardanico	@Recruit_main707 well, first of all IDK if it was implemented
19:59:24	Yardanico	it should probably be possible (or already done) with cursor inference
19:59:32	Zevv	I can't touch your code. My hands get dirty.
19:59:38	Yardanico	but basically if string is 1 char
19:59:39	Yardanico	or 1000000000 chars
19:59:43	disruptek	c'mon. just replace the clone() calls.
19:59:45	Yardanico	the slicing sped will be the same
19:59:53	Zevv	disruptek: lemm see
20:00:01	Yardanico	@Recruit that article is pretty outdated btwe
20:00:02	Yardanico	btw
20:00:02	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> it wasn't implemented yet
20:00:14	Yardanico	is it possible with cursor inference?
20:00:24	Yardanico	if it's safe to do, you don't need a copy for slicing
20:00:24	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> it should be in theory
20:00:28	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah
20:00:47	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but its a bit more complicated
20:00:54	disruptek	we really need to make a views feature for people.
20:01:00	disruptek	it's crazy.
20:01:57	Zevv	I have this nasty problem where nim complication get cached if it's the wrong file with the same name.
20:02:09	Zevv	I have a t.nim in 50 places, and if I compile one of them, nim gives me the last cached one
20:02:15	Zevv	I don't rembember always seeing that
20:02:29	disruptek	i have too many t.nims, too.
20:03:10	Yardanico	for me it's usually a.nim b.nim or tt.nim :D
20:03:18	Yardanico	1-2 letter combinations
20:03:59	disruptek	i don't have the cache problem, but i tend to use local caches.
20:04:00	Zevv	2 letters, man, that's *so* much work to type
20:04:38	Zevv	disruptek: I have other issues with typed: /home/ico/external/Nim/lib/system/fatal.nim(49, 5) Error: unhandled exception: /home/ico/sandbox/prjs/cps/cps/environment.nim(482, 3) `not via.isEmpty` [AssertionDefect]
20:06:12	disruptek	it might need a tweak to know the root type.
20:06:27	disruptek	via is the parent Cont.
20:07:08	Zevv	hm but I don't even get to clone() now
20:08:16	disruptek	you should be running line 622.
20:09:30	Zevv	no I don't get there
20:09:52	Zevv	hm wait
20:10:01	disruptek	you're on 54c8...?
20:10:28	disruptek	622 in cps.nim, i mean.
20:10:46	Zevv	no, i need to add the :C now I guess
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20:11:30	Zevv	ok i'm good
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20:11:34	disruptek	yes, because we don't use the return value -- it will be for the user's use.
20:12:40	disruptek	:C looks like a very unhappy muppet.
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20:14:13	Zevv	beaker
20:14:32	disruptek	lol
20:15:24	disruptek	i was convinced i could see color on our black & white television until we upgraded and i saw that show in color.
20:17:39	Zevv	http://zevv.nl/div/adamsfamily.jpg
20:18:02	disruptek	yikes.
20:19:49	Zevv	pull your typed
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20:20:02	Zevv	it now generates two foo_clone() procs
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20:20:54	disruptek	is that good?
20:21:27	disruptek	did we try adding a template?
20:21:30	disruptek	i can't remember.
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20:28:17	Zevv	I don't know. but this works for now, right?
20:28:43	disruptek	i forget how to git.
20:28:59	disruptek	why don't they show your changes?
20:29:23	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @dk Putting the inject pragma on the param should work now
20:31:04	FromDiscord	<dk> @Clyybber Wow, that was fast
20:31:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> :D
20:31:21	disruptek	he works quickly when he wants to.
20:31:30	Zevv	oh I didn't push properly sorry
20:31:31	Zevv	one moment
20:31:34	disruptek	too bad he never wants to close our bugs.
20:31:47	Zevv	done
20:31:53	Zevv	now you do a 'git pull --rebase'
20:31:57	Zevv	you can do it!
20:32:01	disruptek	yeah, thanks, buddy.
20:32:13	disruptek	but it doesn't work.
20:33:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: Your bugs are the hard ones :D
20:33:21	Zevv	disruptek: well, that it doesn't *work* is not my fault
20:33:22	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> not so much bugs as to undesigned features
20:33:26	Zevv	it was already broken, wasnt it
20:33:30	Zevv	but the bug is gone
20:33:34	disruptek	fair enough. nice job.
20:33:43	Zevv	and the xfrm shows to properly converted procs
20:33:49	disruptek	the output looks good, yes.
20:34:01	disruptek	now if only the compiler worked... 😉
20:34:24	disruptek	s/clone/clyybber/ should help.
20:34:58	Zevv	I can append "_clyybber" instead of "_clone", would that help?
20:35:05	disruptek	already pushed, my friend.
20:35:16	Zevv	git commit -a --amend; git push -f
20:35:38	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> lol
20:36:47	disruptek	clyybber wants us to believe that mutating or copying typed ast inside a macro is an undesigned feature.
20:37:11	disruptek	never before in the history of nim has anyone wanted to do such a thing.
20:37:17	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> tell me, this: `macro m(a: typed): untyped = a; m: static: echo "hey"` *should* echo hey twice
20:37:45	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: Oh noe, I mean that when you try to fix it, you get into undesigned territory
20:37:48	disruptek	yes.
20:38:02	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> guess what it does rn
20:38:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> it echos once
20:38:11	disruptek	sweet.
20:38:11	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and not after the macro has been evaluated
20:38:23	disruptek	doesn't anyone ever test this shit?
20:38:24	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so thats the undesigned part
20:38:48	disruptek	the manual literally says that macro output is re-evaluated.
20:38:54	Zevv	wait what
20:38:58	Zevv	you cant mutate typed AST?
20:39:03	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> we don't resem untyped ast
20:39:14	disruptek	he means typed.
20:40:07	Zevv	well, we will do it anyway, right
20:40:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: oh, where does it say that?
20:40:16	disruptek	~manual
20:40:16	disbot	manual: 11the Nim Manual is https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html -- disruptek
20:40:19	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I thought there basically was no spec on that
20:40:33	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> i must be blind
20:40:33	disruptek	oh maybe i'm thinking of clojure.
20:40:43	Zevv	dude
20:41:00	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> bruh
20:41:01	Zevv	disruptek: What is this? A Clojure channel?
20:41:07	disruptek	semantic analysis happens at least twice:
20:41:16	disruptek	https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#macros
20:41:27	disruptek	It repeats semantic analysis of that region of the code.
20:41:46	Zevv	yeah because if not, what would be the friggin use?!
20:42:02	Zevv	Hey its still there, I threw that out! "However, this is no real restriction because Nim's syntax is flexible enough anyway."
20:42:04	disruptek	tell it to _clyybber().
20:42:20	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Zevv: Thats the stable docs buddy
20:42:23	Zevv	oh you're reading old manuals. don't do that
20:42:32	Zevv	stable docs are outdated docs
20:42:36	disruptek	new for nim 1.3: macros only sem once.
20:42:41	Zevv	haha
20:43:03	Zevv	so, just ignore clyybber and go where no man has gone before, right
20:43:20	Zevv	boldly
20:43:33	disruptek	what?
20:43:39	disruptek	plenty of people have built stuff with clojure.
20:44:03	disruptek	oh you mean nim?
20:44:04	Zevv	I've heard its slow and the FFI sucks
20:44:42	disruptek	i heard their macros sem twice.
20:44:56	disruptek	no wonder it's so slow.
20:45:46	Zevv	ghehe
20:46:01	Zevv	anyway, early to bed because all wake makes zevv a dull boy
20:46:07	disruptek	nice job, zevv.
20:46:18	Zevv	well, was it *that* hard
20:46:24	disruptek	hopefully you will have tuple destructuring tomorrow AM.
20:46:48	Zevv	go for it. I'll put in the channels and then we can have a presentation at NimConf
20:47:00	Zevv	you do the talking, I'll do the mime
20:47:14	disruptek	i probably won't be alive by then, but i can record my voice.
20:47:38	Zevv	yes, record some stories so we can AI synthesize you
20:47:46	Zevv	and then complain and play you at 1.5x speed on youtube
20:47:54	disruptek	probably easier done than said.
20:48:17	Zevv	so, remember: no checking in of broken code in master anymore
20:48:31	Zevv	this stuff is getting serious now, with 27 stars
20:48:39	disruptek	i should put a little markov chain generator into the bot. just regurgitates disruptek commentary.
20:48:55	disruptek	i know, that's a whole constellation and a half.
20:48:59	Zevv	pretty repetative anyway
20:49:08	disruptek	aight, sleep tight, zevv.
20:49:15	Zevv	o/
20:49:46	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> gn
20:50:36	disruptek	man, i really miss tequila.
20:50:53	disruptek	last week i belched so violently that i cracked a rib.
20:51:04	disruptek	hard to keep my mind on code with all this pain.
20:51:13	Zevv	no, you shouldnt have moved to absynth, that was a bad decision
20:51:34	disruptek	absynth doesn't give me gas; it's the garlic that does it.
20:51:36	Zevv	absint absinth whatever the spelling
20:51:44	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> its a bit tricky
20:51:47	disruptek	absinthe, i believe.
20:52:06	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> when a macro arg is typed and we return it as typed
20:52:15	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> we need to sem it before passing it to the macro
20:52:38	disruptek	mutation sucks.
20:52:43	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but afterwards we have to sem it a bit again, so that we get the symbols into scope
20:52:45	disruptek	side-effects, i mean.
20:52:49	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah
20:53:08	disruptek	you have to remove the old stuff, though, no?
20:53:26	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah, my PR currently only does that
20:53:28	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> remove the old stuff
20:53:45	disruptek	okay, so you remove it, macro it, sem it back in?
20:53:51	disruptek	in theory.
20:53:56	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> in theory
20:54:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but what if the macro returns typed
20:54:10	disruptek	sounds like a problem to me.
20:54:13	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and you sem it back in
20:54:16	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> what should happen
20:54:36	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> ok, well the typed ast can either be a copy, then we resem it completely
20:54:38	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> right?
20:54:40	disruptek	the bigger problem is, whatever if the input to the macro has necessary side-effects to the macro?
20:55:14	disruptek	you have to leave it in, then remove the old version after the macro is done making the new version.
20:55:15	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah, because we wouldn't want those to get triggered twice in macro noop(a: typed) typed = a
20:55:50	disruptek	it does seem like it has to be a copy, but a perfect copy.
20:55:57	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I mean the sideeffect of wahtever you pass to noop should only be get evaluated once
20:56:03	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> unless you somehow deepcopy a
20:56:12	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> which I'm not sure allows mutation then
20:56:14	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I think not
20:56:19	disruptek	it's a problem.
20:56:20	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so we are protected on that front
20:56:26	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> the problem is the scope
20:56:34	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> we sem it before the evaluation
20:56:46	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but we need the symbols afterwards
20:57:05	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so we need to store the symbols that it introduces somewhere
20:57:29	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so that we don't resem it.
20:57:58	disruptek	well, we can compare the two.
20:58:09	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> you mean the ASTs?
20:58:11	disruptek	yeah.
20:58:20	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I mean we are protected from typed AST mutation
20:58:23	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so its not a problem
20:58:34	disruptek	not a problem to compare them, no.
20:58:45	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> no I mean we don't have to resem it
20:58:51	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> since it can't have changed
20:59:04	disruptek	right, but the comparison can show us symbol changes.
20:59:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> so we can keep the sideeffect count to 1
20:59:11	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh, that you mean
20:59:21	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah, but such a comparison is complicated
20:59:28	disruptek	sure.
20:59:38	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and since there could be a when random: in there
20:59:45	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> its nigh impossible
20:59:51	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> without saving some state at least
21:00:17	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and if we start saving the state of symbols that affect the AST then we can just save the symbols it introduces instead
21:00:18	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> IMO
21:00:53	disruptek	if you think it's easier... my limited experience suggests that it's pretty tricky.
21:01:08	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I mean we must store symbols anyways
21:01:10	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> or state
21:01:21	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I find symbols easier than storing whatever made random go 1
21:01:28	disruptek	well, they never go away. right.
21:01:37	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> the symbols?
21:01:40	disruptek	right.
21:01:44	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> they do
21:01:53	disruptek	only when we tell them to.
21:01:54	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> currently you can create C codegen errors with that
21:02:17	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> just macro m(a: typed): untyped = discard; m: var a = 1; echo a 1
21:02:24	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> (edit) removed '1'
21:02:39	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> var a won't exist because the macro discards the result
21:02:45	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> (edit) 'the result' => 'it'
21:02:58	disruptek	i'm talking about inside the compiler.
21:03:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh
21:03:24	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> with they you mean the symbols introduced by the typed arg?
21:03:37	disruptek	the pre-macro ast.
21:04:42	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> where would they go
21:04:52	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> currently they go into the scope and then the macro gets evalled
21:05:05	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> with my "fix" they get pulled out of the scope again
21:05:19	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but the missing part is reintroducing them again if the macro returned the arg
21:05:30	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I think we generally need to attach scopes to nodes
21:05:44	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> to typed nodes
21:05:46	disruptek	we need explicit scope nodes, imo.
21:05:51	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah
21:06:21	disruptek	it solves a few problems.
21:06:35	disruptek	and try and while else and defer.
21:06:36	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I thought I would need them for the gensym fix too
21:06:38	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but I didn't
21:06:45	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> but for this one I definitely need
21:09:02	disruptek	maybe araq will have some 5 line hack to solve it.
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21:10:12	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I hope not :p
21:10:22	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I mean, I do, but it will be bad
21:10:24	disruptek	heh
21:10:36	disruptek	a 95% solution would be bad.
21:10:40	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> we really need such a node
21:10:56	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> because you could put different typed ast params into a nkStmtList and return it
21:11:10	disruptek	of course.
21:11:18	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> and then the nkStmtList needs to properly mix in all the symbols
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21:11:46	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> its interesting stuff. I actually like that its so broken currently, because it gives thinking food
21:12:02	disruptek	well, there's a lot of room for improvement.
21:12:07	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> yeah
21:12:12	disruptek	i'm just annoyed that it's so half-baked.
21:12:32	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> I guess the implications just weren't clear when it was introduced
21:12:37	disruptek	i wish more of this stuff was fully consistent.
21:12:44	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> thats why I said earlier its an "undesigned feature"
21:13:14	disruptek	the manual sets the wrong expectation.
21:17:59	FromDiscord	<Rebel> sent a long message, see https://paste.rs/Asz
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21:25:35	FromDiscord	<Rika> @Rebel https://github.com/khchen/winim/blob/e73ecec5679a58488d42d35b39ebeb785baa1564/winim/inc/windef.nim#L623
21:26:05	FromDiscord	<Rika> ~~have fun, the file's massive lol~~
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21:26:41	FromDiscord	<Rebel> dam I should've just cloned the repo and used regex to search for it
21:28:02	FromDiscord	<Rebel> yeah I will need to tweak the final results by hand not sure if I can pass an enum to cDefine as it just wants a string
21:28:10	FromDiscord	<Rebel> thanks
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21:39:33	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Where all could i post my videos of Nim for more visibility ?
21:40:59	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> r/programming possibly, they're more lax on self promotion, programming discord/matrix serers
21:41:05	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> What videos?
21:54:50	FromDiscord	<KingDarBoja> YouTube (?)
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22:01:50	Yardanico	@Kiloneie programming videos generally don't get a lot of views
22:02:07	Yardanico	except if it's a very popular topic or you're doing scipop-like videos
22:02:32	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Or if you're brackeys doing unity
22:02:36	Yardanico	no
22:02:40	Yardanico	if you're doing C++
22:02:47	Yardanico	and your channel is named "freecodecamp.org"
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22:12:47	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> well anything Nim related really
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22:26:22	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Imma ask this again tomorrow when more people are awake xD. Most of my views are from subs i already have, forum, here and a few from other Nim videos from other people. 30% is apparently youtube search. Gotta at least try.
22:26:42	Yardanico	well if you want to earn money off programming videos - it's not easy ;)
22:26:47	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> also what the hell is voat.co(im getting 15% of all traffic from there)
22:26:54	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i know D:
22:27:06	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> before i even make a cent...
22:27:07	Yardanico	https://atlas.eff.org//domains/voat.co.html ?
22:27:31	Yardanico	ah nvm
22:27:44	Yardanico	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voat
22:28:14	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> hub for the alt right, sure.
22:28:18	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> lol
22:28:53	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Dude nim's logo is a crown you cant get more authoritarian than a king 😛
22:29:12	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> (little man in the sky can)
22:29:29	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> I thought he was the little man all around us
22:30:08	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Java has the sun D:
22:30:16	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> or ... atleast it did xD
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22:31:35	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> libman posted my video on voat
22:31:38	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> ahhh
22:33:13	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I think if i make a thread on many of these popular programming websites and reddit in p. section i could probably at least double the traffic.
22:36:10	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> does posting in a reddit thread bump it higher ? Asking if i make a thread and post my videos there will it bump it or not(otherwise a thread per video)
22:36:35	leorize	nope
22:36:44	leorize	actually I don't know for sure :P
22:37:08	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nah, reddit shows based off updoot rate/post time afaik
22:38:16	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> hmm nice, then i can keep a bookmark on that 😛
22:38:48	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> probably gonna end up with a dozen pages to post.
22:38:55	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Oh god
22:39:15	leorize	creators usually just have their own subreddit instead
22:39:32	leorize	then if there's anything worth promoting they just crosspost over to other sub
22:39:33	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yea, also you could just share a trailer of what your videos go over or w/e
22:42:44	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> If i make my own subreddit, its probably gonna get like 2 views per video. Idk
22:43:24	leorize	you can easily promote your own subreddit by telling people to use it as better yt comments :P
22:43:44	leorize	then if you want to start promoting you can x-post the vid to other subs
22:43:52	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> For a trailer... Not yet, i havent covered much yet, and i mentally cant finish Nim for Beginners in less than a month.
22:44:03	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Hmm i guess
22:45:06	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Imma start doing some video editing on fiverr to make some cents till this gets any, could probably cross promote D:
22:45:58	leorize	it's never easy to get business off the ground, esp when you start off with a relatively niche language like Nim :P
22:46:26	leorize	fiverr sounds like a good idea to get some fund for your projects :)
22:46:35	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Atleast i can establish a monopoly xD... If i keep going
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22:46:59	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Yea, i just hope my current videos showcase some skill in that...
22:47:09	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> I dont believe in my skills
22:51:24	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> In my opinion your videos have audio issues and tend to play around a bit too much. For example you show off `1..10` `countUp(1,10)` and `countDown(10,1)` in real time, and dont just mention them as other iterators.
22:51:39	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Mouseclicks + keyboard noise is a huge turnoff for me
22:52:17	leorize	I think there are plugins that can filter those
22:52:21	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Yeah... i've been adressing this issue for a while, i really want a mic arm and i got 0$.
22:52:37	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> it's way better now all in all, but yeah.
22:53:00	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> still not the kind of issue last dude posted videos on nim forum
22:53:02	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> ahem...
22:53:03	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> xD
22:53:21	leorize	you have some competition now xd
22:53:27	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> yeah.... no
22:53:27	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yea you do sorta got me wanting to make tutorialization too 😄
22:53:36	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> just try video #2 on that guy...
22:54:00	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> hes quieter than the insane amount of background noise he has, also mono channel from the right side
22:54:50	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i found a dude who started a week after i started my nim videos then quit 1 week after i first quit as well, like... as if he was copying me lol
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22:55:02	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i did a better job though...
22:56:05	leorize	they're just starting off, maybe they will be better than you if you slack off for too long :P
22:56:18	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> Yeah, i know xD...
22:57:53	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> if i don't stop this time, i am planning a ton of videos, including game dev which i really want to touch on(i really wanna make a good game already, my dream since i first tried that path when i was 11 lol)
22:58:18	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> That would be nice
22:58:58	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> first with Nico, then SDL2 basics into a pong game or smthing like that. Maybe one day make a good game for steam, then make tuts on how to make that game...
23:00:01	FromDiscord	<--HA--> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tW4
23:01:23	leorize	if you have a static lib of sqlite, just `--dynlibOverride:sqlite --passL:-lsqlite3`
23:01:42	leorize	you can also do `--passL:/path/to/libsqlite3.a`
23:02:39	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> disruptek: Can you elaborate on your mangling issue with jsonutils?
23:06:07	leorize	I found some of my very old Nim code: https://github.com/alaviss/pong
23:06:18	leorize	and yes it's a textbook pong game
23:06:24	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> leorize: Heh, does it still compile?
23:06:37	leorize	I don't think I cut out to be a gamedev when I can't even finish a simple pong game lol
23:06:42	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> interesting
23:06:57	leorize	@Clyybber probably not, I used not nil
23:07:11	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i've spent on a single project 1 year before... twice... but then i quit for a long time D:
23:07:24	leorize	oh lol `nim >= 0.16.1` as requirement, yea that one is definitely not compiling
23:07:45	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> probably a few edits here and there will fix it
23:09:51	leorize	sometimes I'm amazed by the amount of hacks I'm willing to put up: https://github.com/alaviss/pong/blob/67740800a586874cdb69eb55c4062efe20633cd8/src/pong.nim#L32-L38
23:10:31	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> That's outside of my Nim knowledge xD...
23:11:04	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i can't make sense of that lol
23:11:48	leorize	I wouldn't fault you for that. My early Nim code isn't the best
23:12:36	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> xD. I haven't touched pragmas much yet, and when i did i couldn't remember any of it.
23:13:22	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> also i looked the manual a few days ago and couldn't find any explanation on {.inline.} and {.base.}... could you elaborate maybe ?
23:13:54	leorize	{.inline.} is a hint to tell the compiler to inline a function
23:14:14	FromDiscord	<--HA--> leorize, with --passL:/path/to/libsqlite3.a it compiles but then at runtime still tries to load libsqlite3.so
23:14:45	leorize	--HA-- try `--dynlibOverride:sqlite3` then?
23:15:03	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> And {.base.} ?
23:15:13	FromDiscord	<--HA--> should --dynlibOverrideAll not work?
23:15:27	leorize	that works too
23:16:19	leorize	@Kiloneie tell the compiler that a method is the "base" method, meaning that it will be the method that's called if an object didn't override it with its own implementation
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23:16:48	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> ah okay, thanks!
23:17:08	leorize	all of this is documented in the manual fwiw :P
23:17:17	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> i couldn't find it D:...
23:17:28	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> not for those 2 pragmas
23:17:32	FromDiscord	<Kiloneie> D:
23:19:27	leorize[m]	yea, they're documented very sneakily
23:19:28	leorize[m]	inline: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-procedural-type
23:19:37	leorize[m]	base: https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#multiminusmethods
23:21:26	FromDiscord	<--HA--> leorize, I now get this when compiling https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GKFS3CvY3R/ sadly I don't really know much about these things. I'm on debian and installed a bunch of sqlite packages, one of them is libsqlite3-dev
23:22:24	leorize	ah, you need musl-compiled versions of sqlite
23:22:32	FromDiscord	<brainproxy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2tW9
23:22:41	FromDiscord	<brainproxy> both x and y are uint64
23:23:04	FromDiscord	<Rika> can you show the whole line
23:23:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> bitops.bitand returns the same types it is given
23:23:19	leorize	--HA-- you can get them from julia binary builder
23:23:22	FromDiscord	<--HA--> leorize, now that you say it, that makes a lot of sense 🙂
23:23:28	leorize	or alternatively
23:23:41	leorize	just use sqlite single source file and add it as a `{.compile.}` to your app
23:23:44	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> probably want bitops.bitand(x,y) == 0 or w/e you're looking for
23:23:57	FromDiscord	<Rika> likely
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23:33:55	FromDiscord	<--HA--> leorize, thank you! that single source sqlite c file and {.compile.} pragma worked perfectly. I'm hoping this way I'll also have it not so difficult to cross compile to windows later.
23:35:28	FromDiscord	<brainproxy> > probably want bitops.bitand(x,y) == 0 or w/e you're looking for↵@Elegant Beef too many years o JavaScript 🤪
23:37:01	FromDiscord	<brainproxy> (edit) 'o' => 'of'
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23:49:58	FromDiscord	<--HA--> Now the regular build fails, with the {.compile: "sqlite3.c".} in there. Can I check with `when` if the --passL:-static is defined by any chance?
23:52:36	leorize	alternatively you can just add --dynlibOverrideAll to your config