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| 00:04:32 | EXetoC | isn't it added to the page? |
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| 00:04:52 | treeform_ | console.log() works int he browser |
| 00:04:56 | treeform_ | and that's what it calls |
| 00:05:03 | treeform_ | it should work i just have not tried |
| 00:08:11 | treeform_ | filwit: i just tried it in the browser: http://andrelytics.com:9001/hw.html and it works |
| 00:08:21 | treeform_ | compiled nim code in the browser |
| 00:08:26 | treeform_ | through emcc |
| 00:08:28 | filwit | echo() transforms into console.log() ? |
| 00:08:43 | filwit | nice |
| 00:09:31 | treeform_ | yes |
| 00:09:53 | treeform_ | http://andrelytics.com:9001/hw.js |
| 00:12:20 | willwillson | any way to reset password for forum? |
| 00:16:03 | EXetoC | willwillson: no |
| 00:16:15 | willwillson | ok, thanks |
| 00:28:49 | treeform_ | filwit: did you mange to get your thing working? |
| 00:30:00 | filwit | treeform_: was on the phone (just got off) but it looks like emscripten is still building... |
| 00:30:09 | filwit | 86% done |
| 00:30:28 | filwit | building from AUR source, so yeah... |
| 00:31:06 | filwit | treeform_: btw, did you build the JS code with -d:release? |
| 00:31:14 | treeform_ | no |
| 00:31:28 | filwit | you should, it will probably remove a lot of the generated JS code |
| 00:33:25 | filwit | plus you could always minimize it to get the filesize down as well |
| 00:40:51 | treeform_ | filwit: did not looks like -d:release had any effect |
| 00:41:10 | treeform_ | minimizing js did ... but only from .5 to .3 Megs |
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| 00:43:46 | filwit | treeform_: odd that -d:release didn't do anything... that removes a lot of executable size (not stack-frame info, dead-code elimination, etc) |
| 00:44:00 | treeform_ | its just an echo |
| 00:44:06 | treeform_ | there isn't much dead code to kill |
| 00:44:13 | treeform_ | its all emcc stuff i think |
| 00:44:23 | filwit | treeform_: good point. emscripten just finished though, let me getting something working |
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| 00:47:02 | EXetoC | you might stumble upon a codegen bug on a raised exception |
| 00:49:36 | treeform_ | what does tinyc do in the nimrod source code? |
| 00:49:40 | treeform_ | i though it used gcc? |
| 00:49:50 | filwit | it's used for the REPL i think |
| 00:50:20 | EXetoC | it can use vc too at least |
| 00:50:26 | filwit | and clang |
| 00:50:37 | filwit | and Icc as well i think |
| 00:51:55 | filwit | hrm, i keep getting: emcc: cannot find library "../Nim/Nim/lib" |
| 00:52:19 | filwit | from line 8 in your instructions (-l/z/nimrod/Nimrod/lib) |
| 00:52:37 | filwit | treeform_ ^ |
| 00:52:54 | treeform_ | hmm i used fixed paths some place i think |
| 00:53:03 | filwit | just tried that, didn't help |
| 00:53:31 | treeform_ | just compiled it normally |
| 00:53:39 | treeform_ | with nimrod and gcc |
| 00:53:45 | treeform_ | and steal the paths it uses |
| 00:53:47 | treeform_ | thats what I did |
| 00:53:55 | filwit | ah, okay, one sec |
| 00:54:06 | treeform_ | i basically just gook gcc and write emcc and it worked |
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| 01:01:52 | filwit | hmm... all the commands gave me warnings... did they for you? They didn't give errors, so I assumed they where working... but i don't see any JS file... |
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| 01:05:57 | filwit | WARNING root: emcc: cannot find library "dl" |
| 01:06:01 | filwit | treeform_ ^ |
| 01:06:57 | filwit | happens when i try to link... i assume that's why it doesn't gen a JS file... maybe I should just install EMCC from the binary (instead of from git AUR) |
| 01:09:38 | bogen | dl is the dynamic linker library. |
| 01:10:00 | bogen | is is unlikely that a js program can load shared objects |
| 01:10:18 | bogen | you can't use the same link command |
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| 01:13:41 | filwit | bogen: yeah I figured, It was just in the warning... i now see that emcc is building a executable tho |
| 01:14:30 | filwit | not a js file... but an executable.. |
| 01:14:53 | filwit | oh, duh... nevermind i'm just doing something stupid |
| 01:17:37 | filwit | treeform_: cool it worked :) but I didnt' need the -D MAP_ANONYMOUS thing (i'm guessing that's and bug with the branch you're using) |
| 01:21:28 | filwit | treeform_: also, what might make the filesize less is to add -O2 to the emcc lines (i'm about to try it) |
| 01:24:51 | filwit | treeform_: yep, without -O2 filesize is ~775k, with it's ~225k |
| 01:25:05 | filwit | 275k* |
| 01:25:13 | filwit | (non minimized) |
| 01:26:21 | filwit | err... scratch that.. it didn't work, and built some other file.. |
| 01:26:32 | filwit | still 700+k |
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| 02:00:08 | filwit | still 700+k |
| 02:00:51 | Varriount | filwit: Why the worry over exe sizes? |
| 02:06:08 | filwit | Varriount: i'm not, just attempting to lower it |
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| 02:30:45 | bogen | for an ecmascript file 700+ k is a lot, especially when you using slow web connections. |
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| 02:31:13 | bogen | so filesize does matter for is this case |
| 02:31:39 | bogen | s/for is/in/ |
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| 02:48:16 | filwit | um... 'inf' was renamed? |
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| 02:49:41 | Varriount | filwit: Not that I know of. |
| 02:50:04 | filwit | well i get this: Error: undeclared identifier: 'inf' |
| 02:50:33 | filwit | just rebuilt (bigbreak)... |
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| 02:52:03 | treeform2 | filwit: got your thing working now? |
| 02:52:27 | filwit | treeform2: having problems building it... `inf` no longer seems to be a valid symbol |
| 02:52:39 | filwit | maybe it's a bug with the bigbreak branch tho, i'll try devel |
| 02:52:57 | treeform2 | i was using master |
| 02:53:03 | treeform2 | does the simple hello world works? |
| 02:53:07 | filwit | yes |
| 02:53:54 | filwit | btw, you don't have to do --genScript (and I didnt' have to do MAP-D _ANONYMOUS) |
| 02:54:13 | filwit | -D MAP_ANONYMOUS** |
| 02:54:37 | filwit | also, you should probably add -O2 or -O3 to your emcc lines |
| 02:54:40 | treeform2 | http://ishtar.aff2aw.com:9001/p/nimrod-emcc |
| 02:54:56 | treeform2 | yes -D MAP_ANONYMOUS instead of #define later |
| 02:55:02 | treeform2 | the lower -d did not work |
| 02:55:12 | filwit | no, i didn't have to do that at all (it's probably a bug with master) |
| 02:55:25 | treeform2 | yes i am using master |
| 02:57:01 | filwit | there, i fixed the instructions a bit |
| 02:58:51 | filwit | god I can't try devel right now cause of the Nim rename... |
| 03:01:34 | Varriount | filwit: Huh? |
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| 03:02:58 | filwit | Varriount: well trying to switch from bigbreak to devel has issues (because of the name change), so I'm just going to reclone Nim into a nim-devel folder |
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| 03:06:58 | filwit | yeah devel has `inf` defined... bigbreak does not.. i wonder if that was renamed or if it's a bug |
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| 03:14:26 | filwit | treeform2: cool, it works (and completes in 4.369s vs 2.329s normal) |
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| 03:14:52 | filwit | treeform2: now i need to compare a regular Nim JS backend |
| 03:15:40 | filwit | treeform2: plus i need to render the output to verify that it's actually working correctly |
| 03:16:30 | treeform2 | cool let me know how that goes |
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| 03:41:12 | filwit | treeform2: http://www.scottlogic.com/blog/2014/03/12/native-code-emscripten-webgl-simmer-gently.html |
| 03:41:52 | filwit | treeform2: unfortunately it looks like the Nim JS backend is missing timing features, so I'll need to remake those (use Emscriptens) in order to compare performance |
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| 04:58:05 | filwit | treeform2: well i got it rendering to the canvas, but the image isn't correct. So I'm trying to figure out if that the way i'm drawing to the canvas, reading from Emscripten values, or how Emscripten in executing the code. |
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| 05:00:02 | treeform2 | do you ahve a pic? |
| 05:03:09 | filwit | treeform2: i'll upload it, one sec |
| 05:05:15 | filwit | treeform2: http://reign-studios.net/philipwitte/nimrod/emcc-raytracer/main.htm |
| 05:05:31 | filwit | you can find all the source in the parent dir as well |
| 05:05:44 | filwit | (including the makefile with build commands) |
| 05:06:09 | filwit | note: might take a second to render, and it logs the time |
| 05:07:16 | filwit | final output should look like this: https://github.com/zezba9000/RayTraceBenchmark/blob/master/ReferenceImage.jpg |
| 05:08:07 | filwit | the fact that there's no color and things are spaced odd makes me thing i'm reading from the data wrong (i hope that's it) |
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| 05:14:14 | filwit | oh duh... i'm retarded... the incoming image is RGB, not RGBA.. |
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| 07:37:03 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 24afab2 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: Threads work again |
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| 08:03:23 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 46bbae4 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: fixes #1366 |
| 08:03:23 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel ff55c48 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: mostly fixes #1339 |
| 08:03:23 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel c73142d Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: fixes #1067 |
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| 12:19:10 | EXetoC | Araq: what comment changes exactly? should I be able to comment out a proc argument for example? |
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| 12:52:11 | EXetoC | will "discard o.find x, y, z" be the equivalent of "discard o.find(x, y, z)" at some point? |
| 13:00:24 | EXetoC | I assume it will, because it's barely worth using that syntax otherwise |
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| 15:08:09 | francisl | I do I use the flag -p for the compiler ? e.g. nimrod c -p ~/Downloads/jester -r index.nim => failed with (command line(1, 1) Error: argument for command line option expected: '-p') |
| 15:08:41 | francisl | but nimrod c --path=~/Downloads/jester -r index.nim => work fine |
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| 15:10:48 | dom96 | there is no -p flag |
| 15:11:21 | francisl | the compiler help says otherwise |
| 15:12:34 | francisl | I have version 0.9.4 |
| 15:12:41 | francisl | Options: |
| 15:12:42 | francisl | -p, --path:PATH add path to search paths |
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| 15:13:56 | willwillson | -p:~/Downloads/jester ? |
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| 15:17:00 | francisl | ok, thanks, that work |
| 15:17:50 | francisl | ins’t -p: a weird convention ? I think it’s first unix command I see using this convention |
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| 15:22:35 | willwillson | it confused me as well at first.. not obvious that the single letter flag needs a colon :D |
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| 15:26:39 | francisl | it’s definately doens’t follow the rule of least surprise and I’ll probably not the last one asking this question |
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| 16:42:24 | Skrylar | francisl: i don't think Araq is a linux user |
| 16:42:40 | Skrylar | --foo:bar is common in windows commands, Mono's getopt allows both : and = |
| 16:42:51 | Skrylar | i don't know that nimrod has a getopt yet |
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| 17:02:17 | francisl | Skrylar: I’m a mac user, but the same apply |
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| 17:05:42 | francisl | I don’t know what kind of community nimrod is targeting, but a windows standard on linux/mac/unix will confuse many. getopt would be nice |
| 17:18:05 | EXetoC | Skrylar: there's a getopt module |
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| 17:38:37 | Araq | francisl: I'm a linux user but -p foo requires the option parser to know about which options have an argument |
| 17:38:53 | Araq | -p:foo is nicer because it can be parsed without symbol lookups |
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| 18:16:53 | francisl | Araq: you are surely right, but it break the rule of least surprise nonetheless. which lead to small anoyance for future nimrod developer. |
| 18:17:09 | francisl | I can propose to update the help file |
| 18:17:51 | francisl | just to add the information that single dash parameter need to use : |
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| 18:19:02 | Araq | francisl: dunno if people will read this. better patch the option parser instead |
| 18:19:22 | Araq | it uses some deprecated module anyway |
| 18:19:50 | Araq | however, it's not easy to change, there is lots of subtle stuff |
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| 18:21:17 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 1791ab6 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: fixes #665 |
| 18:21:17 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 63548f0 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: manual merge of #1526 |
| 18:21:18 | francisl | maybe the ROI don’t worth it for the moment |
| 18:21:29 | Araq | indeed |
| 18:22:23 | Araq | but ok, let me patch the help output |
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| 19:34:12 | Araq | ping Varriount_ |
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| 19:53:50 | EXetoC | C macros for epic inlineiness!!!11 |
| 19:54:27 | EXetoC | so what libs be needing? I'll work on msgpack again, because people have been asking about that |
| 19:58:48 | Araq | EXetoC: this is fine, but we also need a "release manager" |
| 19:59:46 | Araq | aka a core developer |
| 20:00:15 | Araq | there is plenty of things you can do to help us even the compiler's source code scares you |
| 20:01:34 | EXetoC | is that an attempt at directing me towards simpler things? :p |
| 20:01:43 | EXetoC | I'll consider it |
| 20:03:42 | Araq | not simpler, different :P |
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| 20:42:10 | filwit | treeform's not around eh? :\ |
| 20:42:52 | filwit | Araq: did you see the Nim -> EMCC ray-tracer: http://reign-studios.net/philipwitte/nimrod/emcc-raytracer/main.htm |
| 20:43:26 | filwit | Araq: the output (which is incorrect) is complete different if I compile with --gc:none |
| 20:44:22 | filwit | Araq: it also runs much faster, but the output is incorrect in both situations, so I'm not sure if that's accurate |
| 20:46:12 | filwit | Araq: either way, I'm pretty impressed with the performance overall (better than I was expecting), so if/when Nim eventually targets EMCC correctly that will be pretty awesome (considering they also have a built-in SDL/GL -> WebGL framework which should make porting my stuff over easy). |
| 20:46:41 | Araq | filwit: the js codegen seems to be quite unusable ... :-/ |
| 20:46:59 | Araq | I'll add some note to its docs |
| 20:47:12 | filwit | Araq: I haven't tried the JS codegen yet (because Times is unsupported there) |
| 20:47:24 | Araq | hu? |
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| 20:47:40 | Araq | what do you mean then by "the output is incorrect"? |
| 20:47:43 | filwit | Araq: I meant tried the Raytracer with the JS codegen. I've only tried it with EMCC |
| 20:48:09 | Araq | yes. so emcc is broken? |
| 20:48:13 | filwit | Araq: the output is supposed to look like this: https://github.com/zezba9000/RayTraceBenchmark/blob/master/ReferenceImage.jpg |
| 20:49:10 | filwit | Araq: i'm not sure exactly what part of the whole process is messing things up, but note that if I compile the Nim code with --gc:none the output is completely different than with regular GC |
| 20:49:46 | dom96 | hey filwit |
| 20:49:54 | dom96 | got the forum design yet? I'm curious to see it |
| 20:50:00 | filwit | (only on the EMCC version of course, Native runs just great with --gc:none and doesn't even give any performance boost... yay for a great GC :)) |
| 20:50:28 | filwit | hey dom96: still working on it, sorry (which is why i'm here tho)... got a bit distracted last night. |
| 20:50:36 | dom96 | np |
| 20:53:17 | filwit | Araq: what happened to `inf` in bigbreak btw? |
| 20:53:34 | filwit | er.. wait.. you probably just made that capital huh... didn't try that. |
| 20:55:42 | Araq | filwit: it's now Inf? dunno |
| 20:56:15 | filwit | Araq: yeah it's Inf now apparently... which I don't like (just for the record) |
| 20:56:55 | EXetoC | it's not sort of like a constant? |
| 20:57:13 | EXetoC | indeed it is |
| 20:58:31 | filwit | yeah... which I usually make PascalCase, so I guess i'm being inconsistent with the dislike for that... but I've always thought of 'inf' more like 'nil' |
| 20:59:18 | filwit | or 'void'... you know, more of a "built-in endpoint" |
| 20:59:22 | dom96 | is the convention for constants PascalCase? |
| 20:59:34 | filwit | i dunno |
| 20:59:42 | filwit | i don't think so |
| 21:00:11 | EXetoC | the endpoint to a black hole |
| 21:00:57 | EXetoC | that doesn't make sense |
| 21:02:48 | filwit | well ultimately I think constants should be camelCase but be highlighted differently in the syntax... which is really the only reason I have been using PascalCase ones (so that my syntax highlighter colors them differently) |
| 21:03:12 | filwit | but i'm not sure I even like my choice in that right now, so yeah.. |
| 21:04:16 | Skrylar | dom96: i seem to recall that araq said constants should be fullcaps |
| 21:04:23 | Skrylar | at least he said this to me once |
| 21:04:38 | Skrylar | also nitpick: i hate when people use 'void' as a type |
| 21:04:54 | EXetoC | didn't he say he disliked it because it's like yelling? |
| 21:05:11 | filwit | yeah ALLCAPS is horrible for anything IMO |
| 21:05:13 | Skrylar | i donno. but its normal for constants to be fullcaps in many languages |
| 21:05:17 | EXetoC | but to me it's just another style used for distinction |
| 21:05:20 | Araq | constants are mostly PascalCase except when they are not |
| 21:05:42 | Araq | I consider ALLCAPS an artifact of the C preprocessor |
| 21:05:47 | Araq | and thus barbaric |
| 21:05:52 | Araq | but |
| 21:05:59 | EXetoC | I don't care where it comes from |
| 21:06:00 | Skrylar | Ruby uses allcaps as well from what I recall, and $ for globals |
| 21:06:05 | Araq | they can be acceptable in wrappers |
| 21:06:11 | Skrylar | Lisp has +constants+ and *globals* |
| 21:06:30 | filwit | Araq: which would you prefer for constants Pascal or camelCase ? (i'll got through the compiler and fix any odd-man-outs and make a PR if you want) |
| 21:06:35 | Skrylar | some people don't like the line noise but i think "$foo" is very obviously a global scope versus "foo" which could come from anywhere |
| 21:07:34 | EXetoC | now they might clash with types, but the partial sensitivity doesn't change anything in that regard because of the change to the type name style |
| 21:08:45 | EXetoC | might be rare though, and you can always append or prepend 'const' |
| 21:12:35 | Araq | EXetoC: it IS very rare |
| 21:12:53 | Araq | in fact ... I can't even think of an example where this happens |
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| 21:13:22 | Araq | Skrylar: $global is fine but also annoying when you have to use the global very often |
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| 21:15:46 | filwit | i can't think of any reason using $constant would be a good thing... |
| 21:19:31 | dom96 | I still would like to allow PascalCase only for types. |
| 21:21:21 | filwit | dom96: i agree... if you're talking about a 'standard' (not an actual parser rule) |
| 21:22:15 | EXetoC | how many people are going to diverge from that anyway? |
| 21:22:34 | filwit | dom96: but i like lower-case "core" types (int, float, etc.. even string) and don't think there would be any reason to limit others from choosing what they like best (in their own code) |
| 21:22:50 | EXetoC | and aren't these lenient rules a way to allow people to easily use their own style? |
| 21:23:04 | EXetoC | has our position on this changed? |
| 21:25:04 | filwit | EXetoC: exactly. I'm completely for partial case-sensitivity (because it fixes all issues with symbol conflict) but I still love that Nim allows you to be pretty free with writing to your preference. |
| 21:25:14 | EXetoC | and then there's code generated with tools such as c2nim |
| 21:27:26 | EXetoC | and then you have primitive types, though you can always such rules to be overriden |
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| 23:17:58 | Demos | does babel work with bigbreak? |
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| 23:18:58 | Araq | Demos_: no idea |
| 23:19:19 | Demos_ | I got an error when trying to compile base64 from the stdlib, I kinda doubt it does |
| 23:19:42 | Araq | base64 should work with bigbreak though |
| 23:19:51 | Araq | I remember fixing it |
| 23:20:07 | Demos_ | I just bootstrapped today |
| 23:20:38 | Araq | well then fix it and make a PR |
| 23:20:46 | Demos_ | k |
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| 23:26:41 | Demos_ | hm the latest compiler from devel can not compile bigbreak, which is annoying |
| 23:33:31 | Araq | why not? |
| 23:33:53 | Demos_ | invalid pragma: depricated |
| 23:34:10 | Araq | ah |
| 23:34:12 | Araq | well |
| 23:34:25 | Araq | I guess I should port this back |
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