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| 00:00:36 | repax | gokr, the source has to be parsed one time or another. I'd say: parse it once and then update the AST as the programmer modifies the code instead of reparsing it again over and over |
| 00:00:43 | gokr | The refactoring tool built its own AST earlier though (in Squeak/Pharo) - probably to not lose stuff doing transformations. |
| 00:02:17 | gokr | Yes, I understand the idea, but as Araq points out - there are issues. And ... as someone coming from a world that doesn't play well with editors - you are going to piss off every Emacser/Vimer out there. |
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| 00:03:05 | gokr | I love the Smalltalk environment. But so, so many haven't bothered to look closer just because it doesn't use "source code in files". |
| 00:03:13 | repax | They all live in the past |
| 00:03:19 | gokr | I know :) |
| 00:03:34 | Araq | gokr: fyi only doc comments (##) are now part of the AST |
| 00:03:36 | gokr | As Kent Beck said "Source code in files, how quaint." :) I think it was him. |
| 00:03:41 | Araq | repax: +1 |
| 00:04:21 | dts|pokeball | hmmm i think ill have to use mongo instead of sqlite |
| 00:04:34 | EXetoC | well I don't know of any editor that... edits, as well |
| 00:05:01 | flaviu | Aren't there new efforts to make vim a library? |
| 00:05:02 | repax | The problem with editors is that they don't know "what" they edit |
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| 00:05:33 | gokr | The interesting thing is that a Smalltalk env can be considered to be one gigantic super editor with builtin execution and debugger and the works. Just like Emacs, but *language aware*. |
| 00:05:38 | Araq | repax: yeah but to be fair, graphical programming has been tried again and again and doesn't scale |
| 00:06:05 | repax | Araq, you may use a keyboard :) |
| 00:06:13 | gokr | I don't think repax thought of graphical programming. |
| 00:06:14 | EXetoC | repax: the plugins do |
| 00:06:38 | repax | EXetoC, wrong level of abstraction |
| 00:06:58 | Araq | well once you go beyond AST based editing, graphical programming awaits |
| 00:07:16 | Araq | people tried text based and graphical and text based won |
| 00:07:47 | repax | I'm not advocating graphical programming |
| 00:07:49 | Araq | AST based as the real solution wasn't tried as much |
| 00:07:54 | gokr | I wonder if a statically typed language like Nim can be made into an "interactive world" like Smalltalk. It must have been done, right? |
| 00:08:03 | flaviu | Araq: Lisp and paranedit? |
| 00:08:07 | gokr | I mean, Lisp and Smalltalk can't be the only ones. |
| 00:08:37 | EXetoC | repax: what's missing when you've rendered an AST? |
| 00:08:55 | flaviu | gokr: well, the JSON library is sort of like interaction between a statically typed world and dynamically typed world |
| 00:09:23 | Araq | repax: I know, but I think people tried 2 extremes and the solution in between got lost |
| 00:10:02 | gokr | The issues I am thinking of is... "unit of compilation", being able to still run even if the code is in a semi "incorrect" state. Data migration. etc. |
| 00:11:04 | Araq | iirc the best environment is Mathematica |
| 00:11:24 | repax | EXetoC, correct me if I'm wrong but, the plugin has to reparse the TEXT to update its internal AST |
| 00:11:27 | Araq | you type in text, it's rendered as proper Math, aka 2d layout |
| 00:12:04 | repax | Araq, yeah that's exactly right |
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| 00:12:27 | gokr | flaviu: Not sure if you know Smalltalk, but I presume you know the "Lisp machines" etc, basically you are "always in runtime" and the IDE and your code is all in the same space. |
| 00:12:38 | Araq | and it's done on the fly, not that TeX batch processing bullshit |
| 00:12:59 | Araq | that I'm sure produced so many wrong results in science it's not even funny |
| 00:13:26 | Araq | the feedback loop is non-existent with TeX |
| 00:13:45 | repax | Minimise the feedback loop |
| 00:13:50 | gokr | Unless you use LyX or something I guess. |
| 00:13:56 | gokr | repax: Smalltalk! :) |
| 00:13:57 | Araq | yup. |
| 00:13:58 | repax | Make feedback immediate if possible |
| 00:14:07 | fowl | Araq, found a syntax regression |
| 00:14:42 | Araq | fowl: report it, but I changed => parsing as announced |
| 00:14:51 | fowl | doesnt compile anymore https://gist.github.com/fowlmouth/aaadc3f827c6be77028a |
| 00:15:28 | Araq | hrm ... strange |
| 00:15:29 | gokr | gnite folks |
| 00:15:35 | repax | bibi |
| 00:16:13 | fowl | it doesnt work if i combine it to one line |
| 00:16:24 | fowl | Error: ')' expected |
| 00:16:47 | Araq | ah lol |
| 00:16:56 | Araq | 'func' is a keyword now |
| 00:17:07 | Araq | replace it with 'fun' |
| 00:17:12 | fowl | oh ok |
| 00:19:38 | repax | great! I believe func as a keyword will cause people to go for functional style more easily (path of least resistance, and so on...) |
| 00:21:05 | repax | with all due deference to pragmas, of course |
| 00:21:37 | Araq | fowl: I like your feedback for the 'func' that I have in mind: |
| 00:22:01 | Araq | http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/657 |
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| 00:25:34 | fowl | i dont see that as necessary at all |
| 00:25:51 | Araq | damn |
| 00:26:01 | Araq | I thought you would love it |
| 00:26:06 | Varriount | I have to agree with fowl |
| 00:26:09 | fowl | {.pragma: func, noSideEffect, ...} works just as well |
| 00:26:32 | Araq | well no, because it's slightly more verbose |
| 00:26:50 | fowl | i'm still waiting for "type Foo{.macro.} = object" |
| 00:27:12 | fowl | i promise i wont shoot anybody else in the foot with it |
| 00:27:27 | fowl | my feet are already done for |
| 00:28:30 | Araq | ok |
| 00:28:35 | Araq | is that the same as: |
| 00:28:42 | Araq | macro: type Foo = object |
| 00:28:44 | Araq | ? |
| 00:29:16 | repax | I think programmers are creatures who aimlessly follow the path of least resistance. Sometimes a nudge or so it needed |
| 00:29:46 | fowl | Araq, i like how it works with procs, the proc def is passed in as the macros first argument (so, not a stmtlist) |
| 00:32:22 | Araq | fowl: does that mean 'yes'? |
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| 00:39:26 | Araq | good night |
| 00:39:57 | fowl | good night |
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| 03:10:37 | pwernersbach | Hey Araq |
| 03:10:48 | Araq | hi |
| 03:11:11 | pwernersbach | What regression are you referring to here —> http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/656 |
| 03:14:31 | Araq | #1701 |
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| 03:23:22 | pwernersbach | I don't know who maintains the website, but nim-lang.org's IRC link points to #nimlang, while forum.nim-lang.org points to #nim, and we are still here in #nimrod |
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| 03:24:14 | Araq | yeah I know |
| 03:24:37 | Araq | we want to rename the #nimrod channel to #nim but dom96 is busy with ... eating pizza |
| 03:24:57 | pwernersbach | Also, *.nimrod-lang.org/* should redirect to nim-lang.org with a "301 Moved Permanently" |
| 03:25:45 | pwernersbach | Haha, he can eat pizza. Nim will still be here when he gets back |
| 03:30:29 | Araq | good night |
| 03:31:49 | pwernersbach | See you |
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| 06:28:59 | Varriount | Gah, why must flexibility always come at the cost of efficiency or space. |
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| 07:23:30 | dts|pokeball | hey i found a mistake in the site |
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| 08:42:04 | dts|pokeball | test |
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| 10:41:52 | voldern | I'm playing around with the httpserver in nim(rod) and trying to get it to actually close the socket when the program gets a SIGINT |
| 10:41:53 | voldern | https://gist.github.com/voldern/a5ea15c375427059a535 |
| 10:42:28 | voldern | But the listening socket stays in TIME_WAIT |
| 10:42:59 | voldern | Does anyone have any suggestions on how to solve the problem? |
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| 10:46:06 | Araq | voldern: there is also some setter for the CTRL+C event |
| 10:46:42 | Araq | addQuitProc is a simple wrapper over Ansi C's atexit function |
| 10:46:42 | voldern | The Before close actually gets echoed |
| 10:47:01 | Araq | oh hrm |
| 10:47:01 | voldern | sockets.nim(474) acceptAddr |
| 10:47:04 | voldern | SIGINT: Interrupted by Ctrl-C. |
| 10:47:05 | voldern | Before close |
| 10:47:08 | voldern | Error: execution of an external program failed |
| 10:47:10 | voldern | aha, the last line might be a hint |
| 10:47:34 | voldern | Its not actually executing the httpserver.close proc. I'll look for the SIGINT handler then, thank you :) |
| 10:48:43 | Araq | well if it says 'Before close' it should execute the 'close' as well |
| 10:52:45 | voldern | ah, TIME_WAIT is unavoidable on linux |
| 10:52:49 | voldern | I need to reuse the addr |
| 10:52:58 | voldern | doh :p |
| 10:53:13 | Araq | socket programming is a pita |
| 10:56:34 | voldern | mhm, thanks for your quick response anyway |
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| 12:19:52 | voldern | Araq: I'm trying to implement av very simple server-sent events server. That means that I need to keep a sequence of all the open TSockets and every 1 second send a message to all the clients without blocking the main loop. How would you implement something like this? |
| 12:20:14 | voldern | If I try to create a reference to the TSocket and add it to a global sequence it get a notice that the code is not GC-safe |
| 12:28:55 | flaviu | voldern: You can get around the error by casting your thread's main proc to gcsafe |
| 12:29:40 | flaviu | ie, let gcsafeProc = cast[proc (...): ... {.gcsafe.}](baseProc), and then call gcsafeProc |
| 12:29:59 | voldern | aha, thx |
| 12:30:27 | voldern | i'm trying to implement the server for benchmark test here: https://github.com/voldern/sse-broadcast-benchmark |
| 12:30:46 | voldern | if you have time to look at it, how would you solve something like that in the most performant way in nim? |
| 12:33:41 | voldern | https://gist.github.com/voldern/c4550920ed1ed369522f is what i have so far |
| 12:34:45 | voldern | i should probably have a thread that loops trough the clients and sends a message every second |
| 12:35:10 | voldern | so i need to start a thread and send a refrence to the sequence of TSockets |
| 12:35:18 | flaviu | I'm not really sure about most efficient. |
| 12:35:53 | flaviu | But I don't think a shared-memory seq will work without some restrictions |
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| 12:41:58 | voldern | hmm, and the async http server returns a sync socket for the client. I think I'll try to hack that into async socket |
| 12:42:27 | voldern | or maybe there is a reason for the way its today? |
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| 12:48:52 | flaviu | No idea, perhaps dom96 is around. |
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| 12:58:39 | Araq | voldern: yeah dom96 will know. To get a shared seq, you have to use manual memory for now, but it's not hard. That said, sockets contain GC'ed data but rawsockets do not. So ... this will be fun to see how it will work out. |
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| 13:06:42 | voldern | Araq: aha |
| 13:07:19 | Araq | did I understand you correctly that you're after some broadcast ping? |
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| 13:08:00 | voldern | yeah. I want to have a list of open sockets and every second broadcast something to every socket |
| 13:08:06 | voldern | without blocking the main thread |
| 13:09:11 | voldern | this is how I solved it in clojure, if you are familiar with that language: https://github.com/voldern/sse-broadcast-benchmark/blob/master/clojure-http-kit/src/sse_server/core.clj |
| 13:09:24 | voldern | https://github.com/voldern/sse-broadcast-benchmark/blob/master/go/server.go <-- Here is a Go version |
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| 14:53:31 | flaviu | I get a Bad file descriptor [OSError] when using execCmdEx. |
| 14:53:45 | flaviu | I don't think it's my fault, it works most the time. |
| 14:54:11 | Araq | I don't think it's the stdlib's fault since it works most of the time. |
| 14:54:44 | Araq | maybe your OS runs out of its file descriptors? |
| 14:56:52 | Araq | but maybe 'close(p)' should be put into a standalone finally/defer |
| 14:56:59 | Araq | try it please |
| 14:58:40 | flaviu | 1 sec, I was very close to the file descriptor cap, so I bumped it up |
| 14:59:09 | flaviu | but that doesn't seem to be the problem, my cap is ~4000, but Bad file descriptor happends around 512 |
| 14:59:30 | Araq | dunno, maybe it wraps around |
| 14:59:39 | Araq | and then the index is rather meaningless |
| 15:01:17 | flaviu | I'm going by interation number, not fd number |
| 15:01:32 | Araq | ah |
| 15:02:05 | flaviu | It looks like I'm closing all my file descriptors |
| 15:02:24 | flaviu | actually, it was my fault |
| 15:02:58 | flaviu | nm, placing the close in a finally only pushed it to 764 |
| 15:05:01 | Araq | btw I'm replacing the quote with a killer example |
| 15:05:05 | voldern | Is there a way to declare a proc signature as a type ? |
| 15:06:41 | Araq | type Foo = proc (a, b: int): bool {.nimcall.} |
| 15:07:27 | voldern | and then i implement it using var foobar: Foo = ? |
| 15:07:40 | Araq | yes |
| 15:07:58 | Araq | var fooBar: Foo = someCompatibleProc |
| 15:08:03 | voldern | aha |
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| 15:12:39 | voldern | thank you :) |
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| 15:13:40 | dom96_ | voldern: It doesn't? http://nimrod-lang.org/asynchttpserver.html |
| 15:13:54 | dom96_ | If you're using httpserver you're doing it wrong :P |
| 15:14:08 | voldern | ah, doh |
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| 15:14:17 | voldern | didn't notice that one :p |
| 15:14:31 | Araq | dom96_: deprecate your stuff finally please |
| 15:14:41 | Araq | and update the docs |
| 15:15:12 | Araq | hrm .... this slideshow is really hard to work with |
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| 15:29:09 | dts|pokeball | does nim have any example code for working with mongodb? |
| 15:29:48 | voldern | dts|pokeball: there is a babel package |
| 15:30:02 | voldern | err, nimble |
| 15:30:20 | dts|pokeball | yeah, i installed that, but i dont know the bindings |
| 15:30:33 | voldern | https://github.com/nim-lang/mongo/blob/master/tests/tmongo.nim |
| 15:30:40 | voldern | only thing i could find |
| 15:30:51 | voldern | the package is lacking a readme: https://github.com/nim-lang/mongo |
| 15:31:04 | dts|pokeball | ty |
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| 15:37:32 | EXetoC | did you see what I said about its limitations? |
| 15:39:22 | dts|pokeball | no |
| 15:39:30 | dts|pokeball | what are they EastByte |
| 15:39:36 | dts|pokeball | ** EXetoC |
| 15:40:21 | EXetoC | that you probably can't do very much with the high level module |
| 15:40:28 | dts|pokeball | hmmm.. |
| 15:40:36 | dts|pokeball | how would i install sqlite then? |
| 15:40:45 | dts|pokeball | for nim that is |
| 15:40:55 | Araq | EXetoC: hu? why not? what's wrong? |
| 15:41:06 | Araq | the unit tests look rather impressive |
| 15:41:27 | EXetoC | dts|pokeball: via nimble probably |
| 15:41:32 | EXetoC | Araq: it's unfinished |
| 15:41:38 | dts|pokeball | no nimble doesnt have sqlite |
| 15:41:56 | EXetoC | oh |
| 15:42:00 | EXetoC | it's in the standard distribution |
| 15:42:03 | Araq | dts|pokeball: sqlite is part of the standard distribution |
| 15:42:05 | EXetoC | so just import it |
| 15:42:12 | dts|pokeball | import sqlite? |
| 15:42:18 | dts|pokeball | i tried that last night |
| 15:42:20 | EXetoC | see the library list |
| 15:42:27 | dts|pokeball | ok |
| 15:42:28 | Araq | import db_sqlite |
| 15:42:32 | dts|pokeball | ah |
| 15:42:51 | dts|pokeball | is there any example sqlite code? |
| 15:45:22 | EXetoC | one example is in the module |
| 15:45:31 | EXetoC | see the bottom of lib/impure/db_sqlite.nim |
| 15:47:46 | dts|pokeball | ty |
| 15:48:40 | Araq | dts|pokeball: nimforum uses sqlite extensively too |
| 15:48:56 | dts|pokeball | yeah, i remember you saying that yesterday |
| 15:49:02 | Araq | EXetoC: what does "unfinished" mean? |
| 15:49:19 | Araq | insert, search, update, how hard can it be? :P |
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| 15:55:30 | EXetoC | I'm not very productive for various reasons |
| 15:56:23 | flaviu | EXetoC: Process for being productive: 1) Close IRC. 2) Delete facebook. 3) Drink lots of coffee. |
| 16:02:26 | dts|pokeball | http://zetcode.com/db/sqlite/ would this be good for learning sqlite? |
| 16:03:24 | flaviu | dts|pokeball: Sqlite is just sql, nothing really special. Learn it the same way you would learn any other language: by using it. |
| 16:04:00 | Araq | dts|pokeball: your link looks fine |
| 16:04:18 | Araq | don't listen to flaviu. sqlite's SQL is different from other SQLs |
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| 16:04:44 | Araq | there is an SQL standard, but every single database has specific extensions or limitations |
| 16:05:53 | flaviu | huh? The only major difference is that sqlite is dynamically typed. |
| 16:06:24 | flaviu | Sqlite also tries very hard to make every other database's syntax valid. |
| 16:08:50 | Araq | that may well be, but nobody can port e.g. a complex stored procedure from SQLServer to Sqlite |
| 16:09:20 | Araq | well not without significant effort ... hrm does it even support stored procedures? |
| 16:09:50 | flaviu | Yes |
| 16:10:44 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/#why-should-i-be-excited |
| 16:10:49 | Araq | feedback welcome |
| 16:11:16 | flaviu | actually, I looks like sqlite doesn't have stored procedures. I could have sworn I'd seen them on the sqlitestudio UI |
| 16:12:53 | flaviu | Looks good, although the explanation text is too long IMO |
| 16:14:38 | gour | Araq: simplify the language |
| 16:15:51 | gour | Araq: “Perfection is achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” |
| 16:16:54 | Araq | gour: tell me how. |
| 16:17:08 | Araq | it's not like this stuff is trivial |
| 16:17:30 | voldern | dom96_: https://gist.github.com/voldern/677e4bf7a778201a6698 <-- Do you have any suggestion why I get this message: Error: invalid pragma: async ? |
| 16:22:17 | dom96_ | voldern: You can't use {.async.} in proc types currently. |
| 16:22:52 | dom96_ | You should return a Future[void] instead |
| 16:23:02 | dom96_ | anything that returns a future is an async proc |
| 16:23:40 | dom96_ | Also, do not discard futures. AsyncCheck them. |
| 16:23:58 | Araq | ok, I simplified the explanation, refresh |
| 16:24:21 | gour | Araq: is the 2nd sentence really required or one can say that A => B ? |
| 16:24:51 | Araq | I don't think anybody can understand it without the 2nd sentence |
| 16:25:03 | gour | it's much better now, imho |
| 16:27:13 | Araq | does anybody understand why i+=1 is invalid, but i+=2 is not? |
| 16:29:56 | flaviu | I thought that's clear without an explanation. |
| 16:30:18 | Araq | flaviu: great. |
| 16:30:41 | Araq | I thought it's perhaps too subtle |
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| 16:41:59 | dom96_ | voldern: Casting a non-gc-safe proc to a gc-safe one sounds like a bad idea too |
| 16:43:25 | dom96_ | Araq: http://blog.rust-lang.org/2014/12/12/1.0-Timeline.html |
| 16:43:41 | dom96_ | We can have release candidates instead |
| 16:43:55 | dom96_ | But it looks like we're going to match Rust :P |
| 16:47:12 | Araq | nah, we will be quicker |
| 16:47:52 | dts|pokeball | when using the sqlite module, i dont need to start Begin Transaction and end with Commit do i? |
| 16:48:32 | Araq | depends on your query |
| 16:49:04 | Araq | for 99% of all cases it's not required |
| 16:49:18 | dts|pokeball | uhhhh atm im just creating the initial table and values |
| 16:50:22 | flaviu | dts|pokeball: The only time you need it is if you want to improve performance. |
| 16:50:37 | flaviu | or atomically apply a series of operations |
| 16:50:51 | dts|pokeball | hmmmm... ok |
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| 17:08:37 | ldlework | we still haven't switched rooms?! |
| 17:11:17 | Araq | we also haven't released |
| 17:11:28 | Araq | and Varriount_ didn't give me test results |
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| 17:17:06 | dts|pokeball | so uhh... noob question, how do i create a connection with sqlite? |
| 17:17:22 | dts|pokeball | i found the open function, but im not sure what to do with it |
| 17:17:48 | ldlework | dts|pokeball: ... call it? |
| 17:17:57 | EXetoC | did the example not help? |
| 17:18:06 | dts|pokeball | EXetoC, there was no example |
| 17:18:14 | EXetoC | there is |
| 17:18:19 | dts|pokeball | ldlework, but i dont have anything to pass the args |
| 17:18:21 | EXetoC | when isMainModule: ... |
| 17:18:27 | EXetoC | you need to check the actual module file |
| 17:18:29 | ldlework | dts|pokeball: the name of the database file? |
| 17:19:04 | dts|pokeball | oh thats not near the bottom EXetoC |
| 17:19:26 | dts|pokeball | ldlework, i dont have a database file. i was going to do it all in nim |
| 17:20:25 | EXetoC | it is at the bottom of the file, but maybe it should be included in the documentation |
| 17:20:32 | ldlework | EXetoC: yeah... |
| 17:20:34 | ldlework | lol |
| 17:20:57 | ldlework | or we need to link the source from the docs |
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| 17:21:48 | dts|pokeball | https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/blob/devel/lib/impure/db_sqlite.nim |
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| 17:21:51 | dts|pokeball | this file right? |
| 17:22:02 | EXetoC | yes |
| 17:22:15 | ldlework | Araq: I recommend a template example next |
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| 17:23:32 | Araq | yeah, DSL example and FFI examples are in the works |
| 17:23:40 | ldlework | oh great |
| 17:24:30 | Araq | see you later |
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| 17:25:25 | ldlework | o/ |
| 17:27:14 | flaviu | ldlework: Can you try building nimlets? |
| 17:27:21 | ldlework | Sure thing |
| 17:28:13 | ldlework | flaviu: hmm do you just run ./build ? |
| 17:28:30 | flaviu | ldlework: I just realized that I hadn't updated ./build |
| 17:28:54 | flaviu | hold off a few seconds, |
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| 17:31:32 | flaviu | ldlework: Ok, pull the latest version and run ./build. |
| 17:33:53 | ldlework | gcc: error: lib/discount/libmarkdown.a: No such file or directory |
| 17:33:55 | ldlework | gcc: error: lib/libyaml/libyaml.a: No such file or directory |
| 17:34:07 | ldlework | I have libmarkdown2-dev and libyaml-dev installed |
| 17:34:22 | ldlework | We should use Dockerfiles |
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| 17:35:01 | flaviu | You shouldn't have to have anything installed, it's supposed to pull the sources and build the static libraries. |
| 17:35:45 | flaviu | Let me try to reproduce the issue. |
| 17:36:59 | flaviu | ldlework: Can you run ls on lib/discount/? |
| 17:37:33 | ldlework | https://gist.github.com/e228253eecc8c13cde47 |
| 17:38:24 | flaviu | Do you have python3-pip and python3-virtualenv? |
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| 17:40:05 | ldlework | python3?! |
| 17:40:21 | flaviu | Maybe I don't really need it, let me test |
| 17:41:27 | flaviu | Nope, python3 seems to be needed for peru, although I could eventually replace that with shell scripts |
| 17:43:49 | ldlework | flaviu: where is this markdown lib coming from |
| 17:43:54 | ldlework | is that a nim or python requirement? |
| 17:44:10 | flaviu | The markdown lib is in C. |
| 17:44:16 | ldlework | its like |
| 17:44:23 | ldlework | its not compiling markdown.nim or yaml.nim |
| 17:44:55 | flaviu | The problem is that I use a python tool to download and build the libs, and it can't create the virtualenv because it requires python3 |
| 17:45:03 | ldlework | I have python3 |
| 17:45:35 | flaviu | Can you gist the output of ./build near the start? |
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| 17:46:22 | flaviu | You might want to run git clean -fxd to clean everything up first |
| 17:47:29 | ldlework | flaviu: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/7bc2837c4e876ee877ba |
| 17:48:09 | ldlework | after clean: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/cafd88c4b877f5a7dc48 |
| 17:50:15 | flaviu | Huh, looks like I used a bashism in a shell script and my system didn't warn me |
| 17:51:02 | ldlework | should be using Nim anyway :) |
| 17:51:23 | flaviu | ldlework: meh, the shell libraries are bigger ;) |
| 17:51:31 | flaviu | ldlework: Pull and try again |
| 17:54:37 | ldlework | flaviu: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/76bb7bac10e680755efa |
| 17:54:55 | dts|pokeball | does db_sqlite's exec function throw an exception if the query didnt work? |
| 17:55:14 | ldlework | dts|pokeball: look at the source |
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| 17:56:55 | flaviu | ldlework: oops, I missed one. Ok, fixed and pushed. |
| 17:57:22 | ldlework | amateur |
| 17:57:28 | ldlework | ^_^ |
| 17:57:51 | ldlework | flaviu: its doing stuff now |
| 17:58:02 | ldlework | operation successful |
| 17:58:39 | flaviu | I'm testing with lighttpd, config file at https://gist.github.com/bc02260c27931be6b37b, but it doesn't really matter what server is used |
| 17:59:26 | ldlework | flaviu: ah we should use Docker |
| 18:00:14 | ldlework | I'll check if there is a lighthttpd image |
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| 18:02:44 | flaviu | I don't have any problem with docker, but it should be optional. It's a pretty big dependency and might not be available everywhere. |
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| 18:03:49 | ldlework | yeah I'd rather not install and configure lighttpd |
| 18:04:15 | ldlework | I mean doesn't python have a basic webserver? |
| 18:04:36 | flaviu | So does nim, but it's easiest for me to use whatever's easiest |
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| 18:04:52 | ldlework | yeah that worked |
| 18:05:00 | ldlework | flaviu: cd output; python -m SimpleHTTPServer |
| 18:05:09 | ldlework | doesn't get easier than that :P |
| 18:05:50 | flaviu | That's great, I'll use that then |
| 18:06:04 | flaviu | Although python2 -m SimpleHTTPServer is more portable |
| 18:08:08 | ldlework | flaviu: so it seems to work :) |
| 18:10:03 | ldlework | flaviu: so I see that you have a word-frequency index |
| 18:10:20 | ldlework | flaviu: should we also index directly by tag, and also by name? |
| 18:10:23 | ldlework | for the front page? |
| 18:11:18 | flaviu | Yes, but perhaps we should take this into #nimrod-offtopic? |
| 18:11:51 | ldlework | sure |
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| 18:39:31 | dts|pokeball | :D Im learning what nim errors mean! yay! |
| 18:42:31 | willwillson | I'm liking the new code snippet on the website frontpage. |
| 18:48:52 | ldlework | onionhammer: hey |
| 18:51:34 | dts|pokeball | :\ i spoke too soon. my code isnt working |
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| 19:19:57 | onionhammer | ldlework whats up |
| 19:21:03 | ldlework | onionhammer: your templates lib needs a render method which takes a file from disk |
| 19:21:21 | onionhammer | it would only work at compile-time w/ slurp |
| 19:21:23 | ldlework | and a context array or something |
| 19:21:40 | onionhammer | and it does work if the extension is '.nim' :) |
| 19:21:49 | ldlework | what? |
| 19:22:13 | onionhammer | it's compile-time only |
| 19:22:56 | dts|pokeball | would someone mind telling me why http://paste.ubuntu.com/9492892/ doesnt work for ,msg and ,credit? because ,join ,quit and ,part work |
| 19:24:13 | ldlework | onionhammer: is your think on nimble? |
| 19:24:23 | onionhammer | nim-templates? |
| 19:24:26 | onionhammer | yes it's on nimble |
| 19:24:50 | ldlework | onionhammer: its just called 'templates' right? |
| 19:25:06 | onionhammer | correct |
| 19:25:32 | ldlework | oh |
| 19:25:34 | onionhammer | btw feel free to extend it if you want; PRs welcome |
| 19:25:40 | ldlework | its probably because our module is called templates.nim |
| 19:25:42 | ldlework | :( |
| 19:25:52 | onionhammer | oh heh.. |
| 19:26:12 | ldlework | I love that Nim pretends namespacing doesn't exist |
| 19:28:40 | ldlework | onionhammer: hmm, I renamed our module and it still says |
| 19:28:47 | ldlework | rendering/base.nim(3, 22) Error: undeclared identifier: 'parse_template' |
| 19:30:36 | onionhammer | hm |
| 19:31:21 | ldlework | But I'm able to use the macros from your library |
| 19:31:23 | ldlework | just not parse_template |
| 19:31:33 | onionhammer | parse_template isn't exposed |
| 19:31:41 | onionhammer | (with a *) so it's non-public |
| 19:31:44 | ldlework | oh |
| 19:32:18 | ldlework | onionhammer: means I can't write my 'render' macro that takes a filename |
| 19:32:24 | ldlework | instead of embedding the string in the source |
| 19:32:48 | onionhammer | you can experiment by going into your nimble/pkgs folder |
| 19:33:01 | onionhammer | and modifying templates.nim |
| 19:33:15 | onionhammer | if you can get it to work I would accept a PR, as long as it doesnt break anything :) |
| 19:33:37 | ldlework | onionhammer: what's the difference between tmpl and tmpli ? |
| 19:33:41 | onionhammer | have you seen the examples? |
| 19:33:53 | onionhammer | tmpli == tmpl + initialization |
| 19:34:02 | onionhammer | it means it initializes the "result" variable |
| 19:34:10 | onionhammer | tmpl means it uses an existing "result" variable |
| 19:34:21 | onionhammer | http://www.eoleary.me/Blog/The-Templates-Library |
| 19:34:56 | onionhammer | https://github.com/onionhammer/nim-templates/blob/master/README.md |
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| 19:38:09 | ldlework | ah you can't use "open" during compile time? |
| 19:38:29 | onionhammer | you can "slurp" a file |
| 19:38:58 | onionhammer | aka staticRead |
| 19:39:41 | onionhammer | I would recommend using the tmpl macros though |
| 19:40:17 | onionhammer | especially if you're using nimlime |
| 19:40:23 | onionhammer | with sublime text |
| 19:40:28 | onionhammer | then you get syntax highlighting of your templates |
| 19:40:52 | ldlework | onionhammer: I'm calling your macro from my macro |
| 19:41:19 | onionhammer | what i mean is having the templates actually in nim files |
| 19:41:24 | onionhammer | rather than external resource files |
| 19:41:38 | ldlework | why? |
| 19:41:41 | ldlework | it seems horrible |
| 19:41:44 | onionhammer | why not? |
| 19:42:09 | ldlework | Because what if you had people who don't know nim, working on your html |
| 19:42:17 | ldlework | IE designers |
| 19:42:30 | ldlework | they shouldn't need a nim ide just to do their job |
| 19:42:32 | onionhammer | you can have a file that is 99% HTML |
| 19:42:40 | onionhammer | with a .nim extension ;P |
| 19:42:43 | onionhammer | but fair enough |
| 19:42:59 | ldlework | anyway it doesn't seem to work |
| 19:43:03 | ldlework | I get a nil reference or something |
| 19:43:07 | onionhammer | can you paste your code? |
| 19:43:14 | onionhammer | or pastebin it |
| 19:44:01 | ldlework | https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/805a3e69eb32f41bb64d |
| 19:44:23 | ldlework | I get, https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/67665cc450a08d20f3ef |
| 19:46:30 | onionhammer | whats the content of rendering/html/base.html |
| 19:46:58 | ldlework | onionhammer: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/d58a9e262229ed9318e1 |
| 19:47:57 | onionhammer | try adding result.add parseExpr("result = \"\"") |
| 19:48:17 | onionhammer | i dont think you're initializing the "result" variable anywhere |
| 19:48:29 | onionhammer | or in renderBase just do result = "" |
| 19:49:14 | flaviu | ldlework: Neat trick: echo(repr(myNimrodNode)) renders it as code. |
| 19:49:55 | ldlework | that worked |
| 19:50:09 | onionhammer | cool |
| 19:52:03 | ldlework | I guess this refactoring is useless |
| 19:52:35 | ldlework | the whole from file thing |
| 19:52:39 | ldlework | but I do like onionhammer's lib |
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| 19:55:05 | onionhammer | ldlework you run into a wall? |
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| 20:37:18 | ldlework | onionhammer: a wall called 'lunch' |
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| 21:40:22 | dts|pokeball | are you tired ldlework ? |
| 21:40:26 | ldlework | bored |
| 21:40:37 | dts|pokeball | :D i have a solution! |
| 21:41:18 | dts|pokeball | you could help me debug my code |
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| 21:45:23 | ldlework | that sounds boring too |
| 21:46:45 | dts|pokeball | :/ |
| 21:47:57 | ldlework | dts|pokeball: what are you writing |
| 21:48:15 | dts|pokeball | ldlework, an irc bot that makes use of sqlite |
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| 22:01:39 | ldlework | dts|pokeball: what does it do though |
| 22:04:01 | dts|pokeball | uhhh join #learnprogramming and ill show you a working example |
| 22:11:00 | voldern | dom96_: thank you so much for the help :) |
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| 22:44:13 | Araq | flaviu: did you move your "nimrod by example" website? |
| 22:44:41 | flaviu | Araq: Yes, http://nim-by-example.github.io/ |
| 22:45:06 | Araq | very well, I need to update the site then |
| 22:45:10 | Araq | again. |
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| 22:46:29 | dts|pokeball | oh while youre updating the site, you misspelled a word on the sockets page |
| 22:46:47 | Araq | what word |
| 22:46:52 | dts|pokeball | iff |
| 22:46:56 | Araq | lol |
| 22:47:09 | onionhammer | iff = "if an only if" ;) |
| 22:47:38 | dts|pokeball | oh |
| 22:47:40 | dts|pokeball | never mind |
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| 22:59:09 | Araq | Trustable: can you please fix that font color issue? |
| 22:59:38 | Trustable | ok, I can try |
| 22:59:52 | Araq | css is in web/assets |
| 23:00:14 | Trustable | but I really wonder why some web devs not define the font color in general (e.g. for body) |
| 23:00:16 | Araq | or just pastebin your diff |
| 23:00:41 | Trustable | it's just a body(color:black) |
| 23:00:54 | Trustable | I mean body{color: black} |
| 23:01:13 | Trustable | because not everyone has default font color black |
| 23:01:16 | Araq | *shrug* the browser should generally invert the colors when you switch to white on black |
| 23:01:40 | Trustable | no, that would be ugly |
| 23:02:09 | Araq | but better than white on white |
| 23:02:28 | Araq | in general the browser should adapt the contrast automatically, it's not hard |
| 23:03:09 | Araq | and when I do body {color: black} shouldn't I also set the background color? |
| 23:05:25 | flaviu | Araq: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 23:05:57 | flaviu | body {color : black;} will make all the text in elements of type body black |
| 23:06:31 | Araq | what if the default background color is black? |
| 23:06:52 | Araq | do I then get black on black? in what situation is that a useful behaviour? |
| 23:07:10 | Araq | why does nobody ever think something through? |
| 23:07:53 | flaviu | Araq: People see implicit behavior as undesirable. I agree with them, it's not a good idea to change text color based on background color. |
| 23:08:32 | Araq | flaviu: the alternative is a web where 99% of all pages break on a black background. good luck with that. |
| 23:09:14 | flaviu | Ah, I see. Try adding normalize.css to the website |
| 23:10:00 | Araq | what's that? the hack around the broken spec? |
| 23:11:32 | flaviu | The spec is not broken. It works as intended. |
| 23:11:54 | Araq | the spec is completely misguided in lots of places |
| 23:13:03 | Araq | and the whole approach is barbaric and hasn't been designed with proper tooling in mind |
| 23:13:45 | flaviu | Perhaps, but this is one place where it isn't. Recall the sort of webpages that all this was initially intended for: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/. See how that page doesn't customize the background or foreground color? |
| 23:14:07 | flaviu | It would work perfectly with the "misguided" behavior. |
| 23:14:40 | flaviu | Then people come along and decide they don't like that, and make webpages more complicated. It then breaks. |
| 23:16:51 | Araq | no you're wrong but I don't feel like discussing these things |
| 23:17:39 | flaviu | no, you're wrong, but I don't feel like talking about it either. |
| 23:18:13 | Trustable | Araq: My opinion about CSS font and background color: Define both or leave both up to the browser. Do not define only font color or only background color. |
| 23:19:05 | Araq | Trustable: exactly. but the browser should be sensible when you do make this mistake. |
| 23:19:38 | Araq | that's what the browser intends to do anyway, it tries to be helpful. it doesn't say "won't render you forgot a </b> tag" |
| 23:20:00 | Araq | now whether that itself is a good idea is another debate |
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| 23:31:56 | Trustable | Araq: PR is done https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/pull/1731 |
| 23:33:17 | Trustable | Araq: thx |
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| 23:42:30 | Araq | Trustable: updated. please try it. |
| 23:43:05 | Trustable | Araq: works |
| 23:43:53 | Araq | tested it on LyX too? |
| 23:44:18 | Araq | on your smartphone? |
| 23:44:50 | Araq | the browser that runs on Haiku? |
| 23:45:19 | Trustable | Araq: Do you see the color of the link "Nimble package manager" on the home page? Maybe the color is too bright. |
| 23:45:54 | Trustable | But that is a decision of the designer, no technical issue. |
| 23:46:12 | Araq | yeah, filwit said he want to send minor CSS patches |
| 23:47:27 | Araq | does it render correctly on Plan 9? on Firefox running on Motif on AIX? |
| 23:49:39 | flaviu | Araq: Works great on lynx |
| 23:50:04 | Araq | flaviu: thank god. |
| 23:50:43 | ldlework | lol |
| 23:50:54 | flaviu | w3m works well too. |
| 23:53:58 | Araq | let's see if you'll also run FF on Motif on AIX |
| 23:54:35 | flaviu | Firefox is cross platform, it should work fine. |
| 23:55:03 | Araq | yeah you can never be sure without testing |
| 23:55:10 | Trustable | Araq: Big thanks for the procCall feature. Now Nim is complete for me :) |
| 23:55:43 | ldlework | what does procCall do |
| 23:55:54 | Araq | it calls your mother. |
| 23:55:55 | Trustable | http://goran.krampe.se/2014/11/30/nim-and-oo-part-iv/ |
| 23:56:06 | Trustable | It allow the "super call" |
| 23:57:16 | flaviu | Araq: It's horribly broken on opera: http://browsershots.org/screenshots/3fc77cd5f953b801affc75506191c939 |
| 23:57:39 | Araq | ah now we're talking |
| 23:58:31 | Araq | always remember: the axiom of choice must not be questioned. |
| 23:59:07 | dts|pokeball | what does this mean? Normal “receiver only” dynamic dispatch. |
| 23:59:09 | flaviu | That looks like old opera though, new opera works fine: browsershots.org/screenshots/23e1483ddf60c8368cf2e3566105b393 |