| 00:03:05 | cryzed | Araq, I saw QML bindings... but I don't think that's the same |
| 00:12:03 | Araq | well I don't really know what QML is |
| 00:12:22 | Araq | but I suspected that new shiney technology would work out of the box with Qt5 |
| 00:13:13 | cryzed | I'm not sure if I'm understanding you right, but yeah Qt5 is pretty neat -- and probably the preferred GUI toolkit I want to say |
| 00:13:15 | cryzed | nowadays |
| 00:14:06 | Araq | well tomorrow I will review a wxWidgets wrapper and if it's ok we might release it soon |
| 00:14:35 | cryzed | Nim is coming along great :) |
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| 00:15:15 | cryzed | I have various nim-related stuff in my rss reader now too -- I really liked the stuff from the twitter account, that's also how I discovered a few youtube vids of you introducing some cool nim features |
| 00:15:37 | cryzed | If I do something like type Context = Table[string, int] -- how would I go about calling initTable on that type? |
| 00:16:02 | dom96 | Araq: Didn't you create a wxwidgets wrapper and release it already? |
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| 00:37:48 | Araq | yeah but it's not idiomatic Nim, wrapping C++ directly is not that great |
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| 00:47:37 | cryzed | Does Table.getOrDefault automatically set the value within the table too? |
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| 00:49:51 | cryzed | ah no, probably not -- default is probably the default int type |
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| 01:26:41 | cryzed | hm, I have a custom type of Signal with range[0..65535]. When I do the bitwise not on it, it turns negative -- is there a way to force it to interpret the number as positive? I think that would just remove the leading 1 from the 2's complement, right? |
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| 01:33:39 | cryzed | I guess I'll just use uint16 |
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| 02:23:20 | cryzed | def-, are you around? |
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| 03:31:02 | cryzed | https://gist.github.com/cryzed/275ff002986b4142c4c4 phew, this took much longer than I had expected |
| 03:34:43 | cryzed | https://gist.github.com/cryzed/275ff002986b4142c4c4 phew, this took much longer than I had expected |
| 03:34:50 | cryzed | goddamit, I need to stop switching with alt tab |
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| 11:39:03 | vegansk | Hi! How can I link more than one static library created by Nim compiler with C application? How can I handle multiply `NimMain` definitions problem? |
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| 13:48:48 | yglukhov | vegansk: compile with --noMain? |
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| 14:36:56 | cryzed | def-, you around? |
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| 15:21:19 | vegansk | yglukhov, it works only for one static library. |
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| 16:01:50 | def- | cryzed: sometimes, what's up? |
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| 16:09:57 | cryzed | def-, regarding your solution with the binary gates -- you wrote your code in such a way that only evaluated all instructions that needed to be evaluated to get the result you wanted, with your go-proc right? |
| 16:10:48 | def- | cryzed: right, just recursively solving them as they're needed |
| 16:11:10 | cryzed | ah, my code in hindsight seems a bit less well-thought out then |
| 16:11:36 | cryzed | https://gist.github.com/cryzed/6438fbcf7a756ad3c0d4 I do it sequentially, it doesn't work as well I think |
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| 18:41:00 | matkuki | Is there a way to correct this circular import problem (https://bpaste.net/show/e76cecb9bcc7) without moving the Manifold type definition to another module? |
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| 19:08:51 | matkuki | def-: A little help? |
| 19:11:49 | cryzed | Is there a good way to strip all characters that match a criteria from a give string, except splitting and then joining? |
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| 19:21:14 | matkuki | No getting around the 'include' statement, is there. |
| 19:21:54 | kulelu88 | cryzed: performance may be the issue with alternatives. sounds like you need to look at different algos |
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| 19:35:48 | kulelu88 | Does nim have a friendly http library? |
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| 19:58:05 | dom96 | kulelu88: httpclient module? |
| 19:59:38 | kulelu88 | dom96: will it be able to handle API requests? |
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| 19:59:46 | kulelu88 | or am I confused about its purpose |
| 20:00:08 | dom96 | By handle do you mean serve? |
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| 20:00:50 | dom96 | You might want asynchttpserver or jester |
| 20:01:45 | dom96 | cryzed: iterate through each character in the string and add characters that you want to a new 'result' string |
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| 20:50:42 | kulelu88 | dom96: here is my goal: I want to build a PoC where I receive an API call (say from twitter), and then my PoC will create its own/alternate outgoing API that another app can use. Think of it as a middleman for APIs |
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| 21:12:13 | cryzed | dom96, I suppose that works |
| 21:12:58 | cryzed | dom96, wouldnt it be better to manually manage the index, and use string.delete to delete a blacklisted character and decrease the index by one manually while index < string.len? |
| 21:16:08 | dom96 | kulelu88: sorry was away, you want jester then. |
| 21:19:03 | dom96 | cryzed: I think that might end up being less efficient, would be cool if you benchmarked both solutions :) |
| 21:19:13 | cryzed | dom96, ok! |
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| 21:20:00 | cryzed | I mean, I will, when I get around to it :D |
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| 21:26:50 | kulelu88 | dom96: did you reply? I got dc |
| 21:30:42 | dom96 | kulelu88: yeah, you can check logs here: http://irclogs.nim-lang.org |
| 21:32:26 | kulelu88 | ok thanks |
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| 21:46:03 | cryzed | dom96, strutils.unescape seems to turn any \xYZ sequence into 0-bytes |
| 21:47:26 | cryzed | "n\xefai" for example this turns into "n\0i" (repr-string) |
| 21:48:53 | cryzed | I ended up having to write my own unescape function for an advent of code task |
| 21:49:08 | cryzed | Unless I'm misunderstanding a feature of the unescape proc I think ths might be a bug? |
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| 21:52:29 | Araq | cryzed: def- found the bug too and created a PR to fix it |
| 21:52:37 | cryzed | Ah I see |
| 21:53:32 | Araq | it also has another bug in that it only supports quotes of length 1 |
| 21:54:19 | cryzed | also in def-'s PR I assume? |
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| 22:01:41 | cryzed | also in def-'s PR I assume? |
| 22:01:47 | cryzed | goddamit |
| 22:01:50 | cryzed | I need to stop doing this |
| 22:01:56 | cryzed | I'm sorry about me repeating messages from time to time |
| 22:04:52 | kulelu88 | dom96: Can I build this api-layer without Jester? I assumed I could use standard libs of nim to build the PoC |
| 22:05:42 | dom96 | kulelu88: You can just use asynchttpserver directly, but it might be a PITA |
| 22:06:30 | kulelu88 | Surprised that you guys haven't been pushing Nim more towards running systems at scale with lib support |
| 22:06:40 | kulelu88 | is it too much work? |
| 22:06:57 | kulelu88 | not discounting the amazing stuff you guys already have done |
| 22:13:00 | cryzed | dom96, is there some good stdlib module for benchmarking/profiling? |
| 22:13:03 | cryzed | Or do I use getEpochTime? |
| 22:13:54 | dom96 | cryzed: Nothing in the stdlib for benchmarking |
| 22:13:58 | dom96 | there is a profiler though |
| 22:14:03 | dom96 | Search nimble for something |
| 22:14:19 | cryzed | dom96, alright -- thanks |
| 22:14:25 | dom96 | kulelu88: You mean scaling for multiple CPU cores? |
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| 22:16:18 | kulelu88 | dom96: Well I am not going to go into specifics about 'how' it can be done, but wouldn't Nim classify itself as trying to address a similar market as Go? |
| 22:17:29 | mat4 | what 'market' is addressed with Go ? |
| 22:18:01 | dom96 | I would say that Nim addresses many markets. |
| 22:18:35 | dom96 | It's designed to be multi-purpose. |
| 22:19:18 | dom96 | But yes, improving async IO (and by extension asynchttpserver/jester) performance is on my to do list. |
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| 22:33:07 | strcmp1 | dom96: do you think trying to create a sinatra clone doesn't really play to nims strengths? |
| 22:33:14 | strcmp1 | from one gh issue, i got that impression |
| 22:34:13 | dom96 | This one you mean? https://github.com/dom96/jester/issues/51 |
| 22:34:25 | strcmp1 | yea |
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| 22:38:26 | cryzed | dom96, http://i.imgur.com/K2XOpng.png |
| 22:38:41 | cryzed | your version is "only" a few magnitudes faster |
| 22:39:04 | cryzed | input text was alice's adventure from the gutenberg site |
| 22:39:22 | cryzed | the number is the result.len, I just wanted to make sure it actually worked |
| 22:40:53 | cryzed | dom96, https://gist.github.com/cryzed/4d6f2ec515b3eb389c80 |
| 22:41:41 | dom96 | My version is also far less verbose ;) |
| 22:41:45 | cryzed | true |
| 22:42:20 | kulelu88 | dom96: is there any specific timeline for improving the async lib (I know that you are quite busy) |
| 22:42:40 | dom96 | strcmp1: I still haven't had a chance to think about how to best fix that issue, but I think that a Sinatra clone is a perfect thing to show off Nim's metaprogramming. |
| 22:43:31 | strcmp1 | dom96: sure.. but, is metaprogramming the best way to write a http toolkit for lightweight web APIs? if you want to be modular, and scale up, seems like maybe not |
| 22:43:51 | dom96 | kulelu88: Afraid not. |
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| 22:45:44 | tstm | Well, metaprogramming is pretty clean, and I'd imagine jester scales extremely well. |
| 22:47:06 | kulelu88 | I'm just trying to understand if I need Jester at all |
| 22:47:11 | strcmp1 | if i understood that gh issue, it doesn't seem to scale at all |
| 22:47:15 | kulelu88 | I'm not building a webapp in essence |
| 22:47:16 | strcmp1 | it would be for toys and nothing serious |
| 22:47:59 | strcmp1 | im not talking about performance btw |
| 22:50:09 | tstm | Depends on what you consider serious. I'm not sure if splitting routing into separate files is very important. And certainly jester does not seem to be very feature rich in any case. |
| 22:50:17 | strcmp1 | ha |
| 22:50:25 | strcmp1 | try to build a medium size web app in one file |
| 22:50:42 | strcmp1 | try build any web app in a single file for that matter |
| 22:51:27 | dom96 | strcmp1: Works well so far for NimForum ;) |
| 22:51:29 | kulelu88 | so another guy I'm speaking to reckons the bottleneck will again not be the app itself but I/O and TCP, which kind of makes sense |
| 22:51:39 | tstm | strcmp1: Well, rails only uses one routing file by default. And while you could reference many, most things don't. |
| 22:51:51 | dom96 | kulelu88: How would you do it in other programming languages? |
| 22:51:54 | strcmp1 | plz dont compare the rails router |
| 22:51:59 | strcmp1 | its not anyway comparable |
| 22:52:41 | kulelu88 | dom96: well for python, I think I might use the py3 async lib |
| 22:52:55 | tstm | strcmp1: Hmm? You could elaborate on that. |
| 22:53:11 | strcmp1 | i could but it feels ridiculous, isnt it obvious? |
| 22:53:20 | dom96 | kulelu88: As far as I know the py3 async lib is pretty much like Nim's asyncdispatch |
| 22:53:37 | dom96 | (together with asyncnet and all modules built on top of that) |
| 22:53:43 | tstm | strcmp1: Jester is a router. Nothing less, nothing more. You can then define how things are redirected and where? |
| 22:54:10 | kulelu88 | This PoC is in essence just a tool that sits in the middle, gets a request via an API call, sees where the call should actually be made to and then fetches it and renders it |
| 22:54:23 | dom96 | That's true, you could split up your web app into multiple jester processes. |
| 22:54:28 | dom96 | That would quite well actually. |
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| 22:54:31 | dom96 | *would work |
| 22:54:33 | strcmp1 | the rails router maps strings to a controller and an action (aka class and an instance method) |
| 22:54:50 | strcmp1 | yes you can map routes to a proc/closure, but no one does that, not to build apps |
| 22:54:56 | Araq | I really like the include hack on the forum |
| 22:55:25 | Araq | which is used to make jester support multiple routing files |
| 22:55:32 | kulelu88 | would I be wrong to define what I am doing as something similar to rabbitMQ? |
| 22:55:50 | kulelu88 | *at a higher level |
| 22:56:00 | tstm | strcmp1: Dunno. I feel that in this modern era of microservices most endpoints are fairly simple. Building fairly static routing for them is not really that bad. |
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| 22:56:33 | Araq | I am looking at Nim's db*.nim modules and cleaning them up a bit. |
| 22:56:56 | dom96 | Araq: I don't think that's quite how it works. |
| 22:57:06 | dom96 | All jester routes are in the same file. |
| 22:57:24 | Araq | hrm? |
| 22:57:39 | Araq | these db*.nim modules are superb, IMHO. |
| 22:57:48 | dom96 | Araq: Can you show me what include hack you are talking about? |
| 22:57:57 | Araq | I am building an ORM on top of them. |
| 23:00:16 | Araq | http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1858#11579 |
| 23:01:26 | Araq | we need to make this trick work, it comes up in all sort of problems |
| 23:01:44 | Araq | the macro wants the full view for best codegen possibilities |
| 23:02:04 | Araq | the user wants to split it up into lots of tiny little files to annoy me |
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| 23:02:12 | strcmp1 | lol |
| 23:02:13 | ldlework | heh |
| 23:02:59 | ldlework | I'm guilty of liking to refactor everything as much as possible |
| 23:03:10 | ldlework | this includes the organization of the code itself |
| 23:05:36 | dom96 | Looking at that post again I could easily support an 'include_routes' statement beneath 'routes' :) |
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| 23:06:21 | strcmp1 | thatd be nice |
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| 23:18:01 | Araq | dom96: only because your implementation kinda sux :P |
| 23:18:42 | Araq | if jester used my lexim for ulta efficient url dispatching that would be much harder to support |
| 23:19:05 | dom96 | ahh, so not supporting that is a feature huh? :P |
| 23:19:36 | dom96 | I doubt the URL dispatching is anywhere close to being a bottleneck. |
| 23:20:36 | Araq | I bet it's more expensive than you think. |
| 23:21:48 | Araq | anyway, somebody should test my lexim project for me |
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| 23:31:23 | Jehan_ | Araq: Huh, interesting, I didn't know that this existed. |
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