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00:18:51FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @aryzen "and I'm guessing that's": I think it's moreso because it allows a developer to decide the best way to right something
00:28:40FromDiscord<aryzen> Nim offers so many ways to do certain things but is hardest on using spaces over tabs
00:28:46FromDiscord<aryzen> (edit) "hardest" => "hard set"
00:41:35FromDiscord<aryzen> I’m not sure if I installed the wrong plugin or need to set something, but my VSCode doesn’t check for errors while I type, it only checks when I save
00:43:25FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Vim can automatically replace tab with spaces.
00:52:23FromDiscord<aryzen> Yeah, I’ve just set my VScode to use spaces instead but I personally prefer tabs is all
00:54:38FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> In reply to @demotomohiro "Vim can automatically replace": Nim also has a "source code filter" for this kinda thing↵<https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Unofficial-FAQ#why-are-tabs-forbidden>↵<https://nim-lang.org/docs/filters.html>
00:55:29FromDiscord<zumi.dxy> if I understand it correctly doesn't it replace all tabs (not just leading tabs)?
01:14:41FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @zumi.dxy "Nim also has a": I have never used source code filter to replace all tabs to spaces.
01:41:03FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @aryzen "I’m not sure if": yes, it's recommended to turn on auto save for nim files because of that
02:24:48FromDiscord<aryzen> In reply to @huantian "yes, it's recommended to": no way to change it to be like C#?
02:34:17FromDiscord<.bobbbob> it's probably just because the nim lsp is really buggy and jank
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02:45:05FromDiscord<aryzen> Is there another VSCode plugin I could be using for that?
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02:47:14FromDiscord<aryzen> also, afaik Nim first compiles to C and then to machine, is there a way to get it to save the output of the C conversion?
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02:55:29FromDiscord<janakali> In reply to @aryzen "also, afaik Nim first": Nim always saves C code in the cache folder "~/.cache" on linux,
02:56:50FromDiscord<aryzen> I’m on Mac but maybe it’s in the same spot?
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03:10:30FromDiscord<janakali> when you run `nim r <project.nim>` it tells you where is the cache folder, but you can also save cache to any folder with `--nimcache:"<path>"` flag. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1208249083601494036/IMG_20240217_110541.jpg?ex=65e298a5&is=65d023a5&hm=aa7cc5245701cee52b7d1911c377bf4c9ce5ff4f81cf508630f2698e981efca0&
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07:17:13FromDiscord<that_dude.> I have to work with `ptr UncheckedArray[cfloat]` as a type, what is the best way to create it? Ideally I don't need to manually destroy it
07:17:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Use `seq[cfloat]`
07:17:37FromDiscord<that_dude.> I will know it's always 3 long
07:17:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So then `array[3, cfloat]`
07:18:02FromDiscord<that_dude.> Does that just work when used for c interop? It's more static lib stuff
07:18:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
07:18:38FromDiscord<that_dude.> Cool
07:18:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though you can just take in an `array[3, cfloat]` if you're doing interop with your own libraries 😄
07:19:02FromDiscord<that_dude.> And it's `array[3, cfloat]` and not `ptr array[3, cfloat]`
07:19:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well if you want to mutate it make it a `var array[3, cfloat]`
07:20:32FromDiscord<that_dude.> I'm not worried about mutating it. I just need to make sure it can work with `const float rgb []` from some provided lib code
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08:55:52FromDiscord<aryzen> Is there a good tutorial for nim?
08:58:21FromDiscord<that_dude.> In reply to @aryzen "Is there a good": https://nim-lang.org/documentation.html↵This has a lot of tutorials linked
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11:40:43FromDiscord<graveflo> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/bCIMtTCJDjQl
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14:07:39FromDiscord<graveflo> Is there a way to "reset" a NimNode or tree of NimNodes so that they go through semantic processing again? If I use `getImpl` and I want to re-emit the ast with changes I have to scrub information from the ast tree that belongs to it's source so it doesn't get effed up
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15:18:49FromDiscord<leorize> yes, there are a bunch of hacks for that
15:19:20FromDiscord<leorize> but really it's a compiler bug
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15:21:56FromDiscord<leorize> this is the best method of doing it atm\: https://github.com/nim-works/cps/blob/002fd1c3ea31f38dd626b66c16ba532dab04b5d5/cps/rewrites.nim#L117-L442
15:22:46FromDiscord<graveflo> wow, that is a lot of special cases. Thanks for sharing
15:25:03FromDiscord<nnsee> wow, cool layout, github https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1208433940881346560/Screenshot_20240217-172425_Firefox.png?ex=65e344cf&is=65d0cfcf&hm=e5839befbad19c326e2d066cbe249a4e9e041816e76bb52910d82cb4fba7fd1a&
15:32:18FromDiscord<leorize> lol
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15:46:33FromDiscord<leorize> note that getImpl and generics are not fun and don't expect that you can solve it↵(@graveflo)
15:48:53FromDiscord<graveflo> I was only chasing an solution to that problem for exploratory reasons. Luckily I don't actually need it. It would be nice if it worked and I can think of some situations where it would be more pressing to have that feature. I'm not just do it it the long way this time
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15:49:16FromDiscord<graveflo> (edit) "not" => "going to"
16:21:25FromDiscord<takemichihanagaki3129> In reply to @nnsee "wow, cool layout, github": Some times, this happens with me.↵Just reload the page. IDK why this happens, lol.
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17:14:35FromDiscord<fosster> nim people, I'm having difficulties debugging nim code with gdb
17:15:13FromDiscord<fosster> basically I want to display a local variable but everytime I try it gives back "No symbol "var" in current context"
17:15:57FromDiscord<fosster> I tried with `info locals` it only gives back stuff like the line number, the function name and other things but not my variables
17:16:31FromDiscord<fosster> how are you supposed to lookup variables in gdb?
17:16:38FromDiscord<fosster> how are you supposed to lookup nim variables in gdb?
17:17:17FromDiscord<leorize> you compiled with debug information, right?
17:17:28FromDiscord<fosster> yup, `--debugger:native`
17:17:40FromDiscord<leorize> did you turn off stacktraces?
17:17:49FromDiscord<leorize> `--stacktrace:off`, basically
17:18:34FromDiscord<fosster> I've just tried, same thing
17:19:08FromDiscord<leorize> are you at the start of a function or inside it?
17:19:28FromDiscord<fosster> in any point of the function, always the same
17:19:56FromDiscord<leorize> hmm that's weird, can you share the code?
17:20:28FromDiscord<leorize> I never used `info locals` but just tab-completed my way through
17:20:40FromDiscord<fosster> actually I don't see why the code itself would be the problem since it's a problem of the debugger
17:20:46FromDiscord<fosster> btw I use `nim-gdb`
17:21:51FromDiscord<leorize> sometimes compiler could optimize away locals
17:21:56FromDiscord<leorize> I use regular `gdb`
17:22:09FromDiscord<leorize> the nim enhancement didn't do enough for me to use it
17:23:06FromDiscord<fosster> this is what I get when doing `info locals`\:↵`FR_ = {prev = 0x7fffffffe6e0, procname = 0x555555569545 "function", line = 0, filename = 0x555555569bd0 "/path/to/the/source/file", len = 0, calldepth = 1, frameMsgLen = 0}`
17:23:41FromDiscord<fosster> hmm, so how can I disable any optimization?
17:24:10FromDiscord<leorize> you don't have `-d:release` or anything, right?
17:24:33FromDiscord<fosster> nop, just plain simple `nimble build` with the debugger flag
17:27:41FromDiscord<leorize> so uh, don't use `nimble build`
17:29:13FromDiscord<fosster> should I compile it with just nimc?
17:29:34FromDiscord<fosster> should I compile it with just nim?
17:29:39FromDiscord<fosster> should I compile it with just nim compiler?
17:30:26FromDiscord<leorize> yea
17:31:26FromDiscord<nnsee> nimble has its own ideas on how to call the nim compiler
17:32:50FromDiscord<fosster> thought it would just call the compiler under the hood with no hidden magic
17:35:04FromDiscord<leorize> that is if nimble was trustworthy
17:46:50FromDiscord<fosster> why isn't it? isn't the official package manager from nim team?
17:47:41FromDiscord<leorize> official != good
17:47:48FromDiscord<leorize> in fact it's widely known that nimble is pretty trash
17:48:00FromDiscord<leorize> and we only put up with it because there are no alternatives
17:48:18FromDiscord<leorize> well there's atlas now but it doesn't do everything yet
17:50:12FromDiscord<fosster> if so, in my opinion they should put more effort in the package manager, since it seems to be ha "must-have" for modern succesful programming languages
17:50:25FromDiscord<alex.boisvert> BTW, you can see what nimble does if you pass `--debug` , such as `nimble --debug build`. It doesn't have to be mysterious.
17:50:30FromDiscord<fosster> but can you please expand, why do you thing is it trash
17:50:51FromDiscord<fosster> thanks for the hint↵(@alex.boisvert)
17:51:38FromDiscord<leorize> it pools packages in one location, and compiler picks the latest one without consideration for the version that should be used
17:51:54FromDiscord<fosster> I mean for the few times I've worked with nim, it just did get the jobe done
17:52:00FromDiscord<fosster> I mean for the few times I've worked with nim, it just did get the job done
17:52:01FromDiscord<leorize> nimble files are nimscript that requires execution before data could be obtained from them
17:52:08FromDiscord<nnsee> did you guys know that nimble was initially called... babel
17:52:35FromDiscord<leorize> once you start working with more than a few projects deps from other projects start interfering with what you have
17:52:54FromDiscord<fosster> I can see
17:53:45FromDiscord<fosster> sounds like a phone app to learn languages lol↵(@nnsee)
17:54:01FromDiscord<leorize> well nim original name was nimrod
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17:54:31FromDiscord<leorize> so the names of software was revolving around biblical entities
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17:58:48FromDiscord<fosster> what a trip
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18:09:32FromDiscord<ezquerra> Araq himself is working on improving the package manager situation by developing atlas
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18:42:00FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "well there's atlas now": Cargo but Nim would be cool :P
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18:52:27FromDiscord<leorize> well disruptek/nimph exists
18:53:54FromDiscord<nnsee> is there a special nimskull matrix server or something
18:53:59FromDiscord<nnsee> where are the cool kids hang out
19:00:33FromDiscord<haxscramper> #nimworks\:envs.net
19:06:04FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Oh that's a neat tool
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21:14:27FromDiscord<ebahi> can someone tell me what `detectOsImpl` in the std `distro` library do? i want to detect if a distro is based on another distro like debian or arch or fedora
21:18:10FromDiscord<leorize> you can read it's source code
21:18:16FromDiscord<leorize> it's pretty simple logic
21:19:05FromDiscord<ebahi> i did but i couldn't understand what the result meant
21:19:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It tells you if the platform you're running on is of that distro
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21:20:27FromDiscord<ebahi> oh ok
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21:41:48NimEventerNew thread by Paths: Issues trying to install nim, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/11031
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22:18:59FromDiscord<ezquerra> Is there a way to spress that an argument must be an openArray[bool] or an openArray[openArray[bool]] or an openArray[openArray[openArray[bool]]] and so on?↵That is, that the "bottom" type is a bool which is stored on any number of levels of sequences or arrays?
22:19:04FromDiscord<ezquerra> (edit) "spress" => "express"
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22:25:57FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @ezquerra "Is there a way": Like, a generic N-depth array? Possibly?
22:26:11FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I'll see if I can make a working example of that if it's even possible
22:26:18FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Probably hellish though
22:27:21FromDiscord<ezquerra> Yes
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22:29:57FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I tried "proc foo(x: openArray[openArray[int]]) =" and compiler says: "invalid type: 'openArray[int]' in this context: 'proc (x: openArray[openArray[int]])' for proc".
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22:34:04FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I'm struggling to make something work
22:34:12FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @demotomohiro "I tried "proc foo(x:": Probably needs to be a seq then
22:45:17FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ubqcbAFTKjDE
22:45:35FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Had to use seqs but this should still do the trick
22:49:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can use an array if you use a concept 😄
22:50:00FromDiscord<ezquerra> How?
22:50:15FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Concepts are probably much better yeah, not proficient in them enough to suggest them though, personally
22:51:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/nimtrest/wiki/Code-snippets#procedure-based-introspection
22:51:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Turn that BoxConcept into a `Box[T] = concept bc` and use `T` instead of `BoxAtom`
22:52:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=rzjzzJOgVwyi
22:52:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Accepts arrays of seqs of arrays of seqs of arrays 😛
22:53:13FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=KQOsKFIoklyR
22:54:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I of course cannot help myself from doing the slight modification https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=nJqRTMnpKQhh 😄
22:55:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `result.startsWith`
22:55:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You didnt assign ressult
22:55:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You arent returning any names
22:55:26FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> tru ty
22:55:37FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> i had it assigned before but lost in translation
22:56:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Those clipboards are devilish
22:56:40FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> now it renames, tysm
22:57:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Insert clearly snide comment here
23:00:09FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> is there an easier way to strip strings from start of other strings that with indexing?
23:00:15FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> (edit) "that" => "than"
23:00:52FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=pjmAwjbJumDY
23:01:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=sdXqJjJGIUyo
23:01:40FromDiscord<pmunch> A macro?
23:01:48FromDiscord<pmunch> Or template I guess
23:01:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why not a proc
23:02:01FromDiscord<pmunch> Or even just a proc
23:02:12FromDiscord<pmunch> Could even be a func!
23:02:21FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> or even just a for loop with an array, just realized that
23:02:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd just make a proc and use a factory
23:03:01FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I of course cannot": thx for the sweet concept, btw is this a new style- or a old-style-concept ?
23:03:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Actually that's not factory...
23:03:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Old style concept, new style are even more untested
23:04:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> New style explode if you even think about using them slightly
23:04:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Old style are a bit more stable and much more usable ime
23:04:46FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Old style are a": well, then i'll wait a bit...
23:04:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The worst part about both is they're not capable of being used to tag a type 😄
23:05:25FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "The worst part about": what is ´tag a type´ ?
23:05:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Want to add type information to a type to say "This is of a type `T[YourConcept]` too bad"
23:05:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Whoops
23:06:06FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I'd just make a": problem is that there is no real "just" in that sentence
23:06:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=RDAHsnRbtWzy
23:06:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean it's two procs
23:06:41FromDiscord<Tommy> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/txgBwNAdQzvp
23:07:06FromDiscord<ezquerra> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I of course cannot": Does this kind of thing significantly affect compilation time?
23:07:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=luNEDmadVMAE
23:08:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean probably but I don't care about compile times that much
23:08:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> My code compiles fast enough that it's not a concern
23:08:17FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Tommy "Hello sorry for bothering": clear answer NO, and now fck-off and sell your poisen elsewhere..
23:08:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I appreciate that they're attempting to sell cannabis in matrix and include a maple leaf
23:08:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's legal here we don't need to go to sketchy matrix users to buy cannabis
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23:09:42FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It's legal here we": psycadelics, legal in canada ? you#re kiddin me ?
23:09:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cannabis has been legal in Canada since 2017
23:10:49FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Cannabis has been legal": ok, Thommy-boy is selling DMT, Lsd, Mdma, ketamine, too.
23:11:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Right but I said they are advertising cannabis and included a maple leaf
23:11:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Anyway it does not matter I found it funny
23:12:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @ezquerra alternatively you can forgo the concept and just use `auto` and have it explode in your face when the error hits pretty much the exact same as it does now
23:12:31FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Right but I said": yep great 😉 how can one make your snippet from the playground persist, say until nim 3.0 ? Or better copy/paste and keep it local ?
23:12:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean any new snippets I make I try to add to my wiki
23:13:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I personally think old style concepts work swell and are grand to use
23:13:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But ymmv if you're attempting to do FP shenanigans inside them
23:14:20FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I mean any new": nice plan, i guess that will later be the foundation for your upcoming "Nim Magic Tipps&Tricks" - title - i appreciate it :))
23:14:39FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=rWtUlDAWOioO
23:14:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nah I don't have enough insults to fill a book
23:16:59FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> what was the recent change to enum names exactly?↵i remember that being implemented, but don't remember how to find the note↵anyone knows how to find the news, or can explain what it was?
23:17:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can have overloaded enum names and the type system reasons it
23:17:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though if you have overloaded enum names and procedure or type names it explodes
23:17:42FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> kk ty ✍️
23:17:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/blog/2023/08/01/nim-v20-released.html#overloadable-enums
23:22:51FromDiscord<bosinski2023> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=tCayRRHhRZyv
23:23:00FromDiscord<ezquerra> It is not very clear to me what is the situation with concepts. They seem to be in some kind of limbo in which there are 2 versions but none is complete nor deprecated?
23:23:11FromDiscord<bosinski2023> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=xPVhDPgWCjxA" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ImyVbGwcqVSH"
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23:27:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well new style are not capable or representing old style
23:28:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> do `static: gaps4[1]` in that case
23:31:47FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @Elegantbeef "do `static: gaps4[1]` in": thx wizard, i appreciate it, pls. work on your wiki..
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