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| 03:49:26 | Kerp_ | Hello out there |
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| 05:14:58 | rkeene | Has anyone created an SSH server in Nim ? |
| 05:15:21 | perturbation | that's a cool idea :) |
| 05:16:05 | perturbation | I'd have to read the spec to do it, though, which doesn't sound fun |
| 05:16:52 | rkeene | I wrote (mostly generated) some bindings for libssh for Crystal before discovering Crystal can't compile to all the platforms I want to support, and I'd rather avoid libssh if possible for this |
| 05:19:37 | cheatfate | rkeene, its a nice idea, but when i have started my own project (for production) i fall to update nim's standard library |
| 05:20:08 | cheatfate | because some things are not enough and some things are slow and some things are not so secure/reliable as must be |
| 05:21:20 | cheatfate | but adopting crypto staff must be easy because of strict typing |
| 05:23:36 | rkeene | Right, I would like it if the crypto stuff were all safe (hence avoiding libssh) |
| 05:24:12 | cheatfate | main problem will be network staff, if you prefer singlethreaded blocking networking - you are find, but if you like asynchronous single/multi threaded, then you are in trouble |
| 05:24:28 | cheatfate | *you are find = you are fine |
| 05:24:48 | rkeene | I just don't feel like writing it, but RSA is fairly easy -- generating keys is the only "tricky" part, the rest is in details. PKCS#1 v1.5 is straight-forward if tedious, X.509v3 is similar |
| 05:25:46 | rkeene | And I don't know much about SSH or DH |
| 05:26:02 | rkeene | Or the symmetric ciphers |
| 05:26:20 | cheatfate | for RSA/DH you need library for bignumbers |
| 05:27:05 | cheatfate | so you can start with adopting some bignumber's library for nim |
| 05:27:32 | cheatfate | will be good if you build one without any dependencies to other big libraries |
| 05:28:05 | rkeene | I wrote one in QBasic ( http://www.rkeene.org/viewer/devel/archive/quickbasic/vmpu2.bas.htm ) so... |
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| 05:28:27 | rkeene | But, for this I really just want to build my app -- I have other things to do this week |
| 05:30:01 | cheatfate | its not a very fast library when you are using strings |
| 05:30:14 | cheatfate | i will prefer to use something like http://philzimmermann.com/EN/bnlib/index.html |
| 05:31:44 | rkeene | Well, true, but I wrote that ~20 years ago |
| 05:32:12 | rkeene | Tcl uses libtommath, FWIW |
| 05:36:31 | cheatfate | rkeene, remember that you need more crypto applicable library for working with your keys and key operations because of "timing" attacks |
| 05:37:13 | cheatfate | but i dont know where you want to use your ssh server, so all my advices for "production" ssh |
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| 05:58:38 | cheatfate | Is it possible to make forward declaration of object? |
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| 06:03:38 | cheatfate | ahh nm |
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| 07:47:24 | cheatfate | Varriount, i found interesting project in your repo https://github.com/Varriount/Filemon |
| 07:48:12 | cheatfate | you declare "Cross-platform file & directory event monitoring module", are you goind to add posix systems? |
| 07:48:20 | cheatfate | in near future i mean |
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| 08:55:07 | cheatfate | Araq, i cant find any information about processing posix signals in nim, as i can see all signals have been processed by nim's stub, and there only way to block it is to use sigprocmask, am i wrong? |
| 09:06:05 | Varriount | cheatfate: At this rate, probably when someone does it for me. |
| 09:07:23 | cheatfate | Varriount, ahh i'm sad |
| 09:08:08 | cheatfate | Varriount, you have already done most complex part ;) |
| 09:08:23 | Varriount | cheatfate: One windows, yes. |
| 09:08:31 | Varriount | *On |
| 09:09:04 | Varriount | Emulating individual file changes was a pain, as was following the file when it moves. |
| 09:09:33 | cheatfate | we already have inotify.nim in standard library, you just need to glue them all ) |
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| 09:10:09 | Varriount | I guess. What about kqueue though? |
| 09:10:44 | cheatfate | on bsd you can use inotify as well |
| 09:11:48 | cheatfate | or i'm wrong |
| 09:11:53 | Varriount | And Mac? |
| 09:13:17 | cheatfate | i'm wrong, we can't use inotify on bsd/mac, we need kqueue |
| 09:14:18 | Varriount | Still, I guess Linux support wouldn't be too bad. |
| 09:14:33 | cheatfate | ok, then i will add this to my todo |
| 09:14:36 | Varriount | That project still requires a modified standard library though. |
| 09:14:53 | Varriount | It uses some async internals. |
| 09:16:07 | cheatfate | you mean register/unregister? |
| 09:16:20 | Varriount | I think, yeah. |
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| 09:39:41 | cheatfate | bsd kqueue = linux epoll + linux signalfd + linux timerfd + linux inotify |
| 09:39:53 | cheatfate | i hate linux now |
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| 10:11:00 | Varriount | cheatfate: :3 |
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| 10:12:34 | cheatfate | i think my equation is not so true, it needs to be like bsd kqueue = linux epoll + linux signalfd + linux timerfd + linux inotify + linux eventfd |
| 10:29:54 | Varriount | cheatfate: Yeesh. How many event systems does Linux have? |
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| 10:31:03 | cheatfate | Varriount, i dont know but i think many |
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| 10:33:35 | Varriount | cheatfate: Windows is marginally better, in that there's WaitForMultipleObjects() |
| 10:34:58 | cheatfate | i like WaitForMultipleObjects() but i dont like that windows has some objects for WaitForMultipleObjects and some objects for IO completion ports and when you want to glue them all you go to darkness |
| 10:35:18 | cheatfate | but i have already done this glue |
| 10:35:47 | cheatfate | and it calls RegisterWaitForSingleObject |
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| 14:53:33 | gmpreussner_ | Varriount: is there a way to have NimLime pass the path to the project's nim.cfg to the compiler when compiling individual modules? |
| 14:54:32 | gmpreussner_ | i'm trying to have a single per-project nim.cfg that configures nimcache to be in the project's root directory, and that also specifies the root include directory for imports |
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| 15:23:16 | cheatfate | does anybody has mac here? |
| 15:33:15 | Araq | cheatfate: yes |
| 15:34:33 | cheatfate | Araq, could you gist or something some include files? i want to check kqueue definitions |
| 15:34:47 | cheatfate | because online help is not enough |
| 15:34:56 | Araq | sure |
| 15:35:06 | Araq | #define __FOO _FOO |
| 15:35:16 | Araq | #define _FOO __intern_FOO |
| 15:35:55 | Araq | #define __intern_FOO /* hidden in /usr/include/bananajoe */ |
| 15:36:09 | Araq | /usr/include/bananajoe: |
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| 15:36:53 | Araq | #define __intern_FOO __X##F |
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| 16:58:10 | enthus1ast | Fun fact: KFC/Pizza Hut Germany and KFC Netherlands, are useing nim : ) |
| 16:59:17 | Arrrr | Now i want pizza, and nim ... |
| 16:59:46 | Arrrr | How do you now? |
| 17:00:31 | enthus1ast | I know because im useing it there ;=) |
| 17:03:18 | enthus1ast | I've written some small sales processing scripts. And now they are in 'production'. Makeing my life a lot easier. |
| 17:04:06 | Arrrr | Do you feel more productive thanks to nim? |
| 17:05:09 | federico3 | enthus1ast: why the quotes? :) |
| 17:05:50 | enthus1ast | KFC is spezial... |
| 17:07:15 | enthus1ast | Arrrr: a lot. I was like: "batch, no" "cscript, no way" "powershell, does anybody use that crap?" "nim!" : ) |
| 17:08:03 | ldlework | powershell has its own world that you have to enter and learn things from scratch |
| 17:08:11 | ldlework | but it really does have some great insights |
| 17:08:16 | ldlework | but don't tell anyone I said that |
| 17:08:26 | Arrrr | Are you using vanilla nim? or nimscripts? |
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| 17:10:33 | enthus1ast | vanilla nim |
| 17:11:49 | enthus1ast | ldlework: i tried to get my head around powershell but to me it looks like they are always breaking backward compatibility |
| 17:12:02 | ldlework | I somehow doubt that |
| 17:12:08 | ldlework | But we don't have to argue about it |
| 17:13:46 | enthus1ast | its always a bad sign when simple hello worlds fail when copied from an example page... But maybe its just me ; ) |
| 17:14:36 | enthus1ast | jah i know powershell 1/2 whatever |
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| 17:40:33 | Varriount | enthus1ast: Now we can have giant KFC & Pizza Hut logos on the website. |
| 17:41:02 | Varriount | enthus1ast: "Proudly used by the world's leading fast-food chains" is always a good statement. |
| 17:41:57 | enthus1ast | ; ) |
| 17:42:14 | federico3 | s/used/sponsored/ |
| 17:42:27 | federico3 | free pizza for Nim contributors! |
| 17:42:57 | enthus1ast | im not shure if the managers know about it :P |
| 17:43:08 | enthus1ast | but as long it works, nobody asks |
| 17:50:49 | enthus1ast | how you are useing nim? Do you use nim for profit? |
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| 17:55:42 | federico3 | some toys, some little projects on GH - too early for production use |
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| 18:03:38 | cheatfate | Varriount, do you remember my morning equation? forget it i hate OpenBSD/NetBSD/MacOS now because of their kqueue implementation |
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| 19:50:15 | Varriount | cheatfate: Why is that? |
| 19:50:43 | cheatfate | just look at that https://gist.github.com/cheatfate/d483ae1a3f39951368eb |
| 19:50:57 | cheatfate | its modified kqueue.nim to satisfy all BSD systems |
| 19:54:03 | cheatfate | macos with netbsd likes to change constants to their own values |
| 19:55:43 | Varriount | Eh, could be worse. The structs could be significantly different. |
| 19:55:54 | dom96 | hello guys |
| 19:56:02 | Varriount | dom96: Hi |
| 19:57:34 | dom96 | what's up? |
| 19:57:56 | cheatfate | hi dom96 |
| 19:58:32 | cheatfate | just realised that kqueue declarations very different in bsd systems |
| 19:59:37 | dom96 | cheatfate: that's annoying. Guess we'll just need to bite the bullet and use many `when defined(netbsd)`/`when defined(freebsd)` etc. |
| 20:00:40 | cheatfate | your proposal? |
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| 20:02:38 | dom96 | cheatfate: I guess you already solved it that way? |
| 20:08:48 | cheatfate | right now i'm installing openbsd and netbsd to check all this values... because if i'm right our kqueue.nim is not very reliable |
| 20:09:08 | cheatfate | but the only problem its missing EVFILT_USER in openbsd/netbsd |
| 20:09:40 | cheatfate | i have already implement it for linux/windows/bsd and now i see it dont work for all bsd |
| 20:11:56 | cheatfate | latest nim devel on openbsd 5.8 - build success |
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| 23:05:32 | cheatfate | got this https://gist.github.com/cheatfate/58e02d1c93e07fb6b6e6 trying to compile selectors.nim in openbsd |
| 23:06:31 | cheatfate | and its annoying |
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| 23:42:52 | cheatfate | Araq, i know you already answered this question but how properly import many include files with .header. pragma |
| 23:44:22 | Araq | .header: """#include <one.h> |
| 23:44:35 | Araq | #include <two.h>""" |
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| 23:50:17 | cheatfate | Araq, BIG THANKS it helps openbsd |
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