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| 21:01:11 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod bigbreak 804df3c Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: CS fixes for zlib.nim |
| 21:07:03 | dom96 | Araq: You dislike the except statement right? |
| 21:07:15 | dom96 | I think we should rename it. |
| 21:07:26 | dom96 | it feels awkward in the middle of code. |
| 21:08:02 | Araq | well it can easily be a template like onError |
| 21:08:16 | Araq | once I fixed the bug in the transformation |
| 21:08:35 | Araq | but go on, make a suggestion for a good keyword |
| 21:08:57 | Araq | onError is not a good keyword |
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| 21:12:52 | dom96 | protect, catchAll, defend, exceptAll |
| 21:12:56 | Jehan_ | recover? |
| 21:13:10 | Jehan_ | That would be a bit ambiguous, though. |
| 21:13:40 | dom96 | recover sounds pretty good |
| 21:14:01 | Jehan_ | dom96: The problem is that it's pretty good for both "finally" and "except" semantics. |
| 21:14:07 | dom96 | Also the 'finally' statement should perhaps become 'defer'? |
| 21:15:01 | Jehan_ | dom96: Borrowing from Go? |
| 21:15:12 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod bigbreak 1ce17c7 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: xmldom adheres to the new style |
| 21:15:12 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod bigbreak 02c076f Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: more robust for nim check |
| 21:15:12 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod bigbreak 3fcf6f4 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: updated fsmonitor |
| 21:15:12 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod bigbreak 47d755b Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge branch 'bigbreak' of https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod into bigbreak |
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| 21:15:24 | Jehan_ | I'm still not a huge fan of the try/catch/finally triad. |
| 21:15:44 | dom96 | Jehan_: yeah |
| 21:15:58 | Jehan_ | There are two issues that I have with it. |
| 21:16:13 | Araq | I like it, especially 'try' as an expression is brilliant |
| 21:16:21 | Jehan_ | One is that rollback ("finally") is conflated with exception handling ("try/catch"). |
| 21:16:28 | Jehan_ | Araq: I like try as an expression. |
| 21:16:40 | EXetoC | ̉expressions are neat |
| 21:16:59 | Jehan_ | And of course, Nim doesn't require you to use finally together with try. |
| 21:17:48 | Jehan_ | About try as expression: What I think is broken about try is that it becomes a control flow construct of its own, one that's often not easy to integrate in the surrounding control flow. |
| 21:18:43 | Jehan_ | try as an expression (without catch/except) that returns an instance of Try[T] or whatever allows you to use normal control flow (e.g., if/else) to deal with the potential exceptional state. |
| 21:20:47 | Triplefox | i once implemented an interpreter that threw exceptions to implement a "goto" |
| 21:21:09 | Triplefox | (i don't recommend actually doing that) |
| 21:21:14 | Araq | Triplefox: there are better ways to do that |
| 21:21:40 | Triplefox | i think it came about because i was running it on the ast |
| 21:21:52 | Triplefox | and then i was recursed so many levels deep |
| 21:22:11 | Araq | Triplefox: ok, but this only allows gotos that leave a block |
| 21:22:42 | Araq | that's not a real goto, that's still "structured" |
| 21:23:14 | Triplefox | i don't know what you're talking about anymore |
| 21:23:40 | Araq | Jehan_: 'try' as an expression can easily produce Try[T], in fact it's a template away |
| 21:23:56 | Triplefox | anyway that was something i did four years ago or more so i don't remember most of the details |
| 21:23:59 | Jehan_ | Araq: Hmm, how do you redefine the meaning of a keyword? |
| 21:24:09 | Jehan_ | I know that you can use a different keyword (been there, done that). |
| 21:24:22 | Araq | Jehan_: well you can't |
| 21:24:25 | Jehan_ | Well, pseudo-keyword, like await. |
| 21:24:38 | Araq | template ttry(...) |
| 21:25:18 | Jehan_ | Ouch. :) |
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| 21:48:25 | Jehan_ | By the way, Araq, the Boehm GC currently doesn't work in either devel or bigbreak. |
| 21:49:08 | Araq | Jehan_: why? |
| 21:49:18 | Jehan_ | Two reasons: |
| 21:49:37 | Jehan_ | One, in both branches, there are statistic functions for shared memory that are never implemented for the Boehm GC. |
| 21:49:53 | Jehan_ | The other is cs:partial stuff. |
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| 21:50:02 | Jehan_ | The latter is bigbreak only. |
| 21:50:14 | Araq | can you please fix it and make a PR against devel? |
| 21:50:17 | Jehan_ | ppointer vs. PPointer primarily. |
| 21:50:44 | Jehan_ | Sure. How do you want me to fix it, just not define those functions for Boehm or give them dummy implementations that return 0? |
| 21:51:31 | Araq | dunno. I think dummy implementations that return 0 is what's already done |
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| 21:51:55 | Jehan_ | system/alloc.nim: proc getFreeSharedMem(): int = |
| 21:51:55 | Jehan_ | system/alloc.nim: proc getTotalSharedMem(): int = |
| 21:51:55 | Jehan_ | system/alloc.nim: proc getOccupiedSharedMem(): int = |
| 21:51:59 | Jehan_ | These are the functions. |
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| 21:52:57 | Jehan_ | Hmm, they're rtl functions, so they probably need dummy implementations. |
| 21:56:21 | Araq | yeah |
| 21:56:51 | Jehan_ | Oh, do you also want me to fixup the case sensitivity issues in bigbreak while I'm at it? |
| 21:57:26 | Jehan_ | The one related to the Boehm GC, I mean, not ALL the remaining ones. :) |
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| 22:05:37 | Araq | sure, but no need for 2 PRs |
| 22:05:50 | Araq | I'll merge devel into bigbreak again |
| 22:09:56 | Jehan_ | Alrighty. |
| 22:10:06 | Jehan_ | Will still not get around to it until tomorrow. |
| 22:16:14 | Araq | no problem |
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| 22:28:49 | Onionhammer | anyone know the story with selectors.nim undeclred identifier FD_SET? |
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| 22:30:57 | Varriount|Mobile | Araq: What's wrong with 'except'? |
| 22:34:02 | dom96 | Onionhammer: works for me. |
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| 22:36:34 | Jehan_ | Varriount|Mobile: I'd guess that it doesn't really make sense as a keyword when used on its own. |
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| 22:55:27 | Onionhammer | dom96 not me ;) |
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| 22:57:06 | Onionhammer | dom96 osx if that makes a difference |
| 22:57:19 | dom96 | oh |
| 22:57:25 | Discoloda | last release was in april? |
| 22:57:43 | dom96 | Onionhammer: Can't test on that unfortunately. |
| 22:57:53 | dom96 | Onionhammer: Could you fix it and create a PR? |
| 22:58:09 | Discoloda | oh, new name |
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| 23:03:53 | Onionhammer | dom96 i'll have a look |
| 23:04:09 | dom96 | Onionhammer: thanks |
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| 23:07:59 | Jehan_ | Onionhammer: I think it was renamed to `fdSet` in posix.nim at one point. |
| 23:10:19 | Jehan_ | hmm, but FdSet was renamed to TFdSet in the same patch. |
| 23:10:30 | Jehan_ | So one of the changes is superfluous. |
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| 23:10:52 | Jehan_ | Especially since the other FD_XXX names weren't changed. |
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| 23:16:09 | Onionhammer | now im gettin Error: undeclared identifier: 'TimeInfoToTime' |
| 23:16:36 | Onionhammer | gah lowercase |
| 23:17:17 | Onionhammer | gettin there.. |
| 23:19:22 | Onionhammer | dom96 redefinition of 'settings' |
| 23:19:25 | Onionhammer | (in jester) |
| 23:19:28 | Onionhammer | or using it |
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| 23:21:29 | Onionhammer | lib/pure/asyncdispatch.nim(1056, 7) Error: 'cb' is not GC-safe |
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| 23:38:53 | dom96 | Onionhammer: Are you compiling newtest? |
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