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02:08:41onionhammeraraq can we mix c/c++ modules and compile them together easily?
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06:24:24desophoshow does Nim compare to Rust and Python?
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06:32:25Araqonionhammer: you can certainly try, the codegen was written with this in mind.
06:32:41Araqthere were some really hard difficulties though that I cannot remember.
06:33:26Araqdesophos: well Nim is quite like Scala, philosophy-wise.
06:35:15Araqit tries to scale from Rust-like low level programming up to Python-like high level programming so that you don't have language borders in your system
06:36:08desophoshm, interesting. i had never heard of Nim before today when someone mentioned it in #python when i mentioned Rust
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06:38:41Araqat the same time, it's an excellent "glue" language since we have code generators for C, C++ and JavaScript
06:41:18AraqI think it's fair to say that Nim took more inspiration from Python than Rust did, so you should really give it a try ;-)
06:42:21desophosi write mostly python, so Nim intrigued me
06:43:51desophosi tried Rust and i liked it a lot though
06:45:22AraqRust obviously has way more resources put into it, but I think the experimental effect system additions have a chance of beating Rust on its homeground. Lifetime-management and GC avoidance.
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06:46:12*Araq is extremely biased. Take everything with a grain of salt.
06:47:46desophostbh i don't care about memory management, i'd much rather have everything GCed; i just care about speed
06:47:57desophoswell, when it matters of course
06:48:48Araqyes, but IF things work out, we move much from the GC's overhead to compile-time.
06:49:26desophosneat
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06:50:39desophoscould Nim be a good language for game development?
06:50:56desophosi guess there are no gamedev libraries written yet...
06:51:09Araqit already is used for commerical game development.
06:51:28desophosoh interesting
06:52:17Araqand gaming was certainly one of the problem domains I had in mind when designing Nim.
06:53:04desophosyou're the language designer? :O
06:53:19Araqyep.
06:53:27desophoswow i am honored
06:54:06Araqthank you. :-)
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14:48:58onionhammerAraq hmm.. how would I even go about doing this?
14:49:18onionhammerwould i have to invoke the linker manually?
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16:38:34dom96Just wrote this in like 3 hours https://github.com/dom96/turingsim :D
16:41:33strcmp1i wonder what will happen to the name of that university if unification ever happens :P very cool, nice work.
16:42:48dom96strcmp1: doubt it would change :P
16:43:19strcmp1'kingstown' became 'dun laoghaire' ;) but yeah, hopefully we've come a bit further since that time.
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17:39:13desophosi
17:39:32desophosi'm surprised Lua isn't listed as an influence on Nim
17:40:38desophosit seems philosophically similar in several ways, in that it relies on powerful features (templates, macros) to compensate for its minimal builtin support for some popular conveniences
17:40:46desophosnot saying that's a bad thing at all
17:40:49desophosjust seeing a similarity there
17:41:39desophosnot even conveniences, features in some cases (more OOP support, pattern matching, applicative programming)
17:42:45Arrrrmacros are very powerful in nim, like over 9000
17:49:17Araqhi desophos. hrm, I suppose you can say it. well I definitely had lots of lua experience. I never felt like it had any major impact on Nim's design.
17:49:37Araqbut yeah, perhaps you're right.
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19:35:27desophosisn't nimble supposed to handle dependencies for me? i'm getting "could not load: pcre.dll" when trying to run `nrpl` from cmd on windows 10 after running `nimble install nrpl` with no errors
19:35:37desophosnrpl: https://github.com/wheineman/nrpl
19:36:25Araqnimble doesn't handle DLL deps afaik
19:36:47Araqwhere would it get these from? git repos must not contain binaries.
19:36:58desophosgood point
19:37:57Araqwe have some solution for pcre etc. which are simply part of the windows installers
19:40:16desophosdoes Nim have anything like python's virtualenv? i think that would be extremely useful considering that nimble's executables are on the PATH
19:40:31desophosand yeah, perhaps it would be a good idea to simply use the windows installer...
19:42:58Araqwell I don't like that Nimble can actually build applications. and puts them in the PATH. IMHO that's not Nim's business at all
19:43:04Araq*Nimble's
19:43:22Araqwe have niminst to generate real OS specific installers, people should use that instead.
19:44:02AraqNim generated native binaries. People should distribute them with native installers.
19:44:47desophoshmm that makes sense. why not have nimble build using niminst?
19:44:59desophoser, *install
19:45:22desophoser... build installers at least :)
19:48:23Araqonce the Nimscript integration is finally merged into Nimble, this is just another trivial custom command
19:48:31desophoscool
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19:50:03desophossigh... i'm so incompetent at building stuff on windows
19:50:53desophostime to reinstall virtualbox; i thought of virtualenv because i'd like to be able to share an environment across my host/guest
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19:59:36Araqhttp://nim-lang.org/download/dlls.zip
20:00:03Araqhas pcre, but it's for the upcoming release and we changed the DLL names
20:00:21Araqbut you can rename it back to pcre.dll
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20:05:00desophosoh cool, thanks!
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20:36:44HaCk3Dhey, folks, does any1 used pdcurses on *nix
20:36:47HaCk3D?
20:37:05HaCk3Dive got an " lib/nim/wrappers/pdcurses.nim(539, 37) Error: undeclared identifier: 'pdcursesdll' "
20:40:53Araqseems like it never was ported to unix properly
20:41:03Araqit's not hard to fix though.
20:42:19Araqand why is this part of the stdlib anyway? should be a nimble package by now
20:48:44HaCk3Di was trying to use nim-curses nimble packge
20:48:57HaCk3Dbut it doesnt support unicode
20:49:51Araqhow come? nim uses utf-8 and so shoulde nim-curses
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20:52:24HaCk3Didk, its a weird behavior
20:52:37HaCk3Dwhen im trying to printw("Привет")
20:52:58HaCk3Dhttps://github.com/rnowley/nim-ncurses/issues/8
20:53:20HaCk3Dbut echo works as expected
20:53:31HaCk3Dmb its the cstring fault
20:55:36Araqmaybe relevant: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=879169
20:55:47ldleworkIs the nimsuggest stuff working these days?
20:57:56HaCk3DAraq: how can i execute C code like this setlocale(LC_ALL,""); ?
20:58:32AraqHaCk3D: import posix or hack it into your program via {.emit: """C code here""".}
20:59:11Araqldlework: yes, but it's still a bit rough.
21:00:02Araqe.g. doesn't work in a 'class' macro. dunno why yet, in theory it should work fine, I thought it through.
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21:02:10ldleworkAraq: Nim workshop, wow.
21:02:21ldleworkWill you be there?
21:02:41Araqyeah
21:03:19ldleworkIt makes me really happy you guys are doing that.
21:09:08Araqyeah well, you can expect more buzz the next weeks, we have quite exciting stuff in the pipeline
21:11:43ldleworkI can't find anything regarding Nimble on the website. I forget how to acquire it.
21:11:55ldleworkoh nm
21:17:04HaCk3DAraq: thnx
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21:43:01ldleworkhow does one use nimsuggest with nim-mode?
21:48:21Araqask reactormonk
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21:50:44ldleworkIt looks like the http client doesn't abstract auth, just raw headers
21:51:51Araqhttpclient is deprecated iirc
21:52:08Araqasynchttpclient is the one you should use. I think
21:53:43ldleworkI am.
21:53:55ldleworkI don't see anything related to basic auth
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21:57:57AraqI have no idea, you have to ask dom96.
21:59:34dom96PRs welcome
22:00:18dom96the current httpclient should be a good enough base for now
22:00:21strcmp1sounds like an easy PR :)
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22:49:35ldleworkHas anyone heard of anything related to like amqp?
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23:18:41Araqldlework: I think that means 'no'.
23:20:28ldleworkyeah heh
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23:42:42desophosno commits in 3 years :( https://github.com/Vladar4/nimgame
23:44:06Araqdesophos: we have a really good Urho3D wrapper. need to push my updates for Urho 1.4 though
23:45:37desophosoh, cool
23:45:50desophosnever heard of it but 3d scares me :(
23:46:08desophosmakes everything harder lol
23:46:17Araqwell for 2D you only need SDL
23:46:48desophosyeah, it's just sad to see an abandoned game engine
23:47:20desophosi saw an SFML wrapper, i'll try that out
23:47:56Araqmaybe, it's abandoned. but really really stable. ;-)
23:48:03Araq*it is not abandoned
23:48:18desophoshah