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00:18:58flaviuVarriount: Yay, we can have those fancy build status buttons then!
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00:25:57Joe_knockanybody else get this error when building Nim on ubuntu: bash: bin/nimrod: No such file or directory ?
00:26:26AraqJoe_knock: it's bin/nim now
00:27:06Joe_knockOkay let me make a commit for that. Is it bin/nim for 0.9.6 also?
00:27:34Araqno
00:27:40Joe_knockOkay cool.
00:27:41Joe_knockThanks
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00:50:43NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 17736a1 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: fixes #1274
00:50:43NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 08a954f Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge branch 'devel' of https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod into devel
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00:51:05Araqbyebye
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03:23:35NimBotVarriount/NimLime master 7a2fb4e Erik O'Leary [+0 ±1 -0]: Added 'method' and 'iterator' to indent rules
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07:28:39VarriountAraq, dom96, gokr1: I've updated the buildbot - it now has multiple admin accounts. I've sent each of you a PM with the new credentials.
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07:57:02gokr1Varriount: cool
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08:16:31Epic|gmpreussnerHi, I'm new to Nimrod. I just tried to install nimrod v0.9.0.1515-1 on ArchLinux, but failed. It looks like the PKGBUILD in ArchLinux AUR may have to be updated. It looks for /bin/nimrod, but build script generated /bin/nim. Is the latter correct?
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08:24:04gokr1Mmmm, that is a way old version
08:24:27gokr1Are you intending to update that PKGBUILD script or do you just want to try a manual install?
08:25:22gokr1The latter is correct in current devel and the upcoming 0.10 release
08:25:34gokr1Not sure, it may also be correct in current master.
08:26:05j3rkygokr1: I'm just trying to get it to work for now and, if necessary, inform the package maintainer
08:26:36gokr1j3rky: Then I would suggest just following the "clone blablabla" instructions to build
08:26:52gokr1And then just put a softlink somewere in your PATH to bin/nim
08:27:10gokr1Do not try to install it, it just makes things more complicated.
08:27:17j3rkyoh ok
08:27:24gokr1The compiler will find all the other files from its own relative location.
08:27:27j3rkyI'll try building it manually from github then
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08:27:30gokr1Yes
08:27:37gokr1The instructions are on the download page
08:27:48j3rkygot it. thanks gokr1!
08:27:59gokr1No prob
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08:29:08gokr1If you wish to try another branch - just make sure you use the same branch for both nim itself and the csources.
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08:30:52gokr1j3rky: I just updated my master clone here and... it seems to be "nimrod" still on master.
08:31:07gokr1Which is logical since its still 0.9.x
08:31:42j3rkyok. maybe it was 'nim' in the past? I dunno... I just noticed the discrepancy between the PKGBUILD and build/build.sh
08:31:44gokr10.10 which is current devel will be released "Any Day Now" - in fact, its only the website update and some other details left IIRC
08:31:58gokr1No, it will be "nim" and its already "nim" in devel.
08:32:13gokr1Nimrod is being renamed officially to Nim from 0.10
08:32:35gokr1But current master is still nimrod. If you want to play I would suggest using devel instead of master.
08:32:46gokr1Since its "ready"
08:33:20j3rkyok cool
08:34:28gokr1I am also new since... a few weeks back, and I have been cranking out articles, they may be of interest.
08:34:34gokr1http://goran.krampe.se/category/nim
08:35:18j3rkyoh, excellent. I'll check those out for sure :)
08:35:33gokr1Depending on your interest, the Bootstrapping article is very detailed about the compiler bootstrap. The OO series explores OO in Nim.
08:35:54gokr1The Socket server shows a "brand new" threaded socket server using the new selector module (epoll etc).
08:36:10gokr1And "Nim wrapping C" shows lots of details on how to use c2nim
08:36:16j3rkyI am particularly interested in OO, and the socket server sounds very interesting as well
08:36:32gokr1The OO series comes to a few interesting conclusions.
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08:37:05gokr1The socket server would only work with devel - since it uses the new network modules which... I think may be too new for 0.9.x, not sure.
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08:37:58gokr1Regarding OO, it basically experiments on how procs, methods, generics can be used with OO. And the "super call" issue.
08:39:09gokr1My conclusion is that I see no issue with OO in Nim - and the "super call" issue for methods is being fixed in 0.10, at least that's what Araq said :)
08:39:34j3rkyyeah, very cool. my OO background is of the C++/C#/Java kind, so I'm interested to see how Nimrod fits into my mental model :)
08:40:06gokr1It fits quite easily I think. The only thing "tricksy" is to realize when/how procs vs methods and generics work and do not work.
08:40:48gokr1But my articles dig fairly deep in this.
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08:47:09Varriountgokr1: http://178.62.143.63:8010/buildstatusimage?builder=linux-x32-builder
08:47:45gokr1Ok, a badge?
08:48:03gokr1aha, slave lost
08:48:24gokr1But... all slaves were lost
08:48:27Varriountgokr1: Yeah, I had to restart the build master
08:48:30gokr1ah
08:48:35Varriountgokr1: I was pointing out the badge itself.
08:48:37gokr1:)
08:48:40gokr1Neato
08:48:48Varriountflaviu did it, I just modified it a bit.
08:50:30Varriountgokr1: I also extended the timeout for the tester to 6 hours. *That* should prevent any timeouts. If the tests are taking 6 hours, something's wrong.
08:50:41gokr1yeah
08:51:29gokr1https://build.3dicc.com/projects/3/status.png?ref=master
08:51:31gokr1:)
08:51:51gokr1The badge that Gitlab-CI produces.
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08:53:02gokr1This is the public page for blimp there: https://build.3dicc.com/projects/3
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08:55:07gokr1Of course you see much more if you are logged in.
09:07:42gokr1Varriount: Shouldn't that badge update?
09:08:02gokr1Oh, its not ready yet
09:10:15j3rkygokr1: I followed your bootstrap article - it's excellent
09:10:21gokr1thanks
09:10:35j3rkyi gotta go sleep now (4 am here). i'll play with this some more tomorrow :)
09:10:41gokr1:)
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14:27:33Mat3|codinghello
14:27:37Araq0hi
14:28:50Mat3|codinghi Araq
14:30:41Mat3|codingcan you estimate the time frame for version 0.10.x ?
14:31:30Araq0no, but release of 1.0 by then end of this year is increasingly realistic
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14:31:37Araq0*by the end
14:31:55Araq0maybe we skip 0.10
14:32:06Mat3|codinggood to know
14:32:33Araq0bugfixing is progressing nicely
14:35:35Mat3|codingI want to have a Nim version of these C compiler finished next week. After that, I include the new code generator
14:35:54Araq0excellent
14:49:33EXetoCI suppose many of my issues will remain open, but luxuries can wait :>
14:51:20EXetoCsome have been fixed which is nice
14:53:35EXetoChow will you find closed, but unfixed bugs? someone is bound to rediscover them though
14:54:52Araq0there are not many closed but unfixed bugs
14:55:07Araq0but there is now a tag for them "wontfix"
14:55:50EXetoCok. some are just postponed though
14:56:07EXetoCsame tag?
14:56:24Mat3|codinghi EXetoC
14:56:26Araq0everything that I'll fix is marked as "high priority"
14:57:00Araq0if your bugs are not marked as such, call me names on reddit instead of talking with me
14:57:04EXetoCMat3|coding: hello
14:57:30EXetoCum ok :p
14:58:12EXetoCnah I'm good
15:00:17Araq0but seriously. you guys need to start mentioning which bugs are "blocking, no workaround exists"
15:01:00Araq0well I guess there are few blocking bugs except for the static[T] etc. disasters
15:01:43EXetoCI haven't encountered many such issues, but I haven't used the language in some time
15:03:30Araq0hey
15:03:37Araq0how can you even say that?
15:05:00EXetoCwhy not? I've just had other things to worry about
15:05:51Araq0everybody in #nimrod should use only Nim all the time and find no bugs
15:07:41Araq0so that I can move on and create NimOS
15:08:19Araq0the operating system that pushes the state of the art that's been stuck in the 60ies for 50 years
15:09:32Mat3|codingwell, I've stumbled only over two (in my opinion critical) bugs before but on the other side, my coding style do not relate on sophisticated features so I'm not representative
15:11:03Araq0Mat3|coding: did you report these bugs?
15:11:27Mat3|codingI think so (both are fixed now by the way)
15:11:41Araq0ah ok
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15:14:00EXetoCwill you be sunbathing on a beach somewhere after the launch of 1.0?
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15:20:38Araq0quite unlikely
15:24:22EXetoCI mean 2.0
15:38:47Araq0hopefully :-)
15:43:25gokr1Ha! Blimp seems to work with git filters now. Neat.
15:44:20Mat3|codingas side node on operating systems: The applications are important in my opinion, not the quality of the operating system as shown by OS history so Nimrod need a so called 'killer' application
15:45:19Mat3|codinghow about an emulator as operating system ?
15:51:05Araq0Mat3|coding: depends on the purpose of the OS
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17:14:28Varriount|BusyWe should have custom build badges. Something spiffy, possibly with the crown logo.
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17:19:11kokozedmanis system.free() synonymous to C's free()? that is to say, can I use system.free() to free stuffs from C world that I did not explicitly create?
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17:27:16Araq0kokozedman: there is a system.free()? o.O
17:27:57Araq0if so, then it might be C's free
17:28:37Araq0but I would wrap it explicitly: proc cfree(p: pointer) {.header: "<stdlib.h>", cdecl, importc: "free".}
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17:37:08kokozedmanAraq: well, I'm not sure either ... but the system documentation mentions this : "The block has to be freed with resize(block, 0) or free(block)", so there is a free()
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17:45:25Mat3|codingkokozedman: You use Linux ?
17:50:54Varriount|BusyAraq: I've applied for Nim to get an SSL certificate.
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17:59:33Araqkokozedman: then it's not C's free
18:04:36kokozedmanMat3|coding: yes
18:13:15EXetoCkokozedman: you're using a lib that has a construction function but not one for freeing said object?
18:16:09Mat3|codingkokozedma: I think it's the kernel function then, you want to use
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18:28:43Joe_knockHow do I install Jester from source? I'm not using babel, as I'm on the devel branch.
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18:39:31AraqJoe_knock: download it and add it to your --path
18:41:42Joe_knockAraq can I not keep the Jester files in the same folder as the webapp and work with it there?
18:42:57Araqsure but if you already know how to do it, why do you ask? :P
18:44:25Joe_knockI don't know how to set it up within the same folder. I've never actually programmed a web app in a static language before. Do I just compile myapp.nim ?
18:49:49Araqyeah
18:50:12Joe_knockLet me give it a quick trial run.
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18:52:44Joe_knockdarn I was using the master branch.
18:56:58Joe_knockGot it working, yay :D
19:14:35Joe_knockA question about how Jester works. Seeing that it only supports GET and POST requests, is the framework attempting to mimick a REST API?
19:20:39Araqno idea what that really means
19:20:52Araqyou can easily enough process JSON with it
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19:29:30Araqbtw do I need to answer every single question on the forum on my own?
19:29:56Araqis nobody here who knows how to setup a gcc/clang path?
19:32:51Mat3|codingpost the link please
19:34:04Araqhttp://forum.nimrod-lang.org/t/632
19:34:55Mat3|codingthanks
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19:40:31Mat3|codinghmm, seems like I forgot my configuration
19:41:35*Mat3|coding wonders about these interesting translation
19:44:31Joe_knockhow much of the work is currently falling on you? Araq
19:50:46perturbationI could write up a quick PATH / nim.cfg explanation based on the FAQ but it seems I've forgotten my password...
19:59:22Mat3|codingso we have the same problem
20:00:10Mat3|codingI still found no way to change my user config
20:00:57Araqjust register again, how do you think we got that many registered users?
20:02:11Mat3|codingehm ok...
20:04:58Joe_knockdoms framework provides no delete function, so unless he wipes you from the DB, you shall live on forever in the forum.
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20:14:11Araqthe new forum supports password sending iirc
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20:47:32EXetoChi tech
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21:04:47VarriountYay, github listener now works.
21:15:15AraqVarriount: yay indeed
21:15:33Araqany chance we'll get better test results reporting anytime soon?
21:16:19gokr1Silly question... split a string on '\0'? I can't do that because... strings are '\0' ended?
21:16:37gokr1I thought they knew their size.
21:17:26Mat3|codingboth the string size is stored Pascal alike and strings are zero terminated?
21:18:04Mat3|codingI've had read something like this in the documentation
21:18:13Araqyes that's correct
21:18:20gokr1I thought so, just wonder why split doesn't want to split on \0
21:18:39Araqgokr1: efficiency *cough*
21:18:54gokr1Ehum?
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21:19:25Araqit uses the \0 sentinel for efficiency
21:19:40Araqwell actually, it's "ease of implementation"
21:20:02Araqit's easy to fix though
21:21:56gokr1I am staring at the code in strutils, like 280-287 but... I can't really see what you mean there.
21:22:41Araqoh, I'm taking about the split which takes a set[char]
21:22:48gokr1Perhaps I am daft.
21:22:53VarriountAraq: If you want, I can make that my weekend project.
21:23:00gokr1well, I just need to split on that char
21:23:01AraqVarriount: hell yes.
21:23:35Araqgokr1: workaround: split(x, "\0")
21:23:43Araqor simply remove the assert, it's wrong
21:23:58AraqI mean the assert in line 280
21:24:04gokr1Its a copy paste assert, right?
21:24:16Araqlooks like it, yeah
21:24:27gokr1ok, good. Then I am not fully so daft then.
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21:53:41Mat3|codingciao
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22:34:13gokr1French bastards!
22:34:56gokr1Kidding of course, we just lost against them in soccer.
22:36:26Araqas a german I don't know how it feels like (just kidding)
22:36:30Joe_knockI didn't see that match.
22:36:55Joe_knockis dom96_ around?
22:37:28dom96_Joe_knock: hello, i'm here. What's up?
22:37:49Joe_knockdom96_: I caught some build errors when running Jester. Should I fix them?
22:38:36Joe_knockOkay not errors, but warnings
22:38:44Joe_knockA lot of deprecated stuff in the code.
22:38:53gokr1Araq: Hehe
22:39:24gokr1Araq: You were extremely good in the World Cup, it was a pleasure watching.
22:40:12Joe_knockI predict the germans winning 2016 euro and the belgians winning 2018 world cup
22:40:26gokr1In other "silly news" - my little blimp utility can now deal with big files "transparently" using a git smudge/clean filter. So now it basically matches what git-fat does.
22:41:23gokr1Btw, is it only "gokr the Smalltalker" that feel notNil would be nice to have? And perhaps notEmpty.
22:42:25AraqnotNil would be sweet indeed
22:42:27gokr1"if not Blabla.isNil" looks nicer like this IMHO: "if Blabla.notNil"
22:43:02gokr1Trivial of course, but does "flow better".
22:43:11Araqyep
22:44:08gokr1In Smalltalk we kinda went overboard and there we have isEmptyOrNil also :) But that feels a tad hacky.
22:44:33Araqc# even has isNullOrWhitespace iirc
22:46:47dom96_Joe_knock: If it's in the new-async branch then yes.
22:46:56dom96_That would be really helpful!
22:48:09Joe_knockAlright. Let me attempt a cleanup. It's mostly deprecated functions, but the compiler was very informative about what to change it to.
22:51:04dom96_Maybe you could use nimfix on it, or whatever the tool for that is.
22:51:17dom96_it's either nimfix or nim pretty
22:52:16Joe_knocknimfix cleans it up by itself?
22:52:44Joe_knockI'll need to use it manually, as I understand that nimbel doesn't work yet.
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22:53:08dom96_nimble? Why does it not work?
22:53:17Araqthere is no "nim pretty" anymore, it's nimfix
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23:15:15Joe_knockI have no idea what just happened. My mouse killed the IRC somehow
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23:15:45Joe_knock.
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23:17:28Joe_knockCan someone ping me?
23:18:11rpagJoe_knock, ping-a-ding-ding
23:18:17Joe_knockthank you rpag
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