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02:05:17 | flaviu | https://github.com/flaviut/Nimrod/tree/patch-1#build-status |
02:05:22 | flaviu | pretty, eh? |
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02:12:16 | Demos | it works in internet explorer! yay! |
02:12:30 | Demos | thanks flaviu! |
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02:26:31 | reactormonk | flaviu, mac too expensive to test on? |
02:26:47 | flaviu | reactormonk: I guess, ask Varriount. |
02:27:13 | flaviu | But the buttons for mac aren't working because of a bug |
02:38:25 | Varriount | reactormonk: Nobody has volunteered any mac build slaves. |
02:40:03 | Varriount | flaviu: What about a 'building' badge? |
02:44:51 | flaviu | Varriount: I don't think that's a good idea or easily possible |
02:45:04 | flaviu | SUCCESS, WARNINGS, FAILURE, SKIPPED, EXCEPTION, RETRY are the different statuses |
02:45:50 | flaviu | And that information won't be particularly useful without more detials |
02:46:01 | flaviu | Perhaps I can link to the waterfall with the buttons. |
02:46:58 | Varriount | That would be nice. You can add parameters to the waterfall page to restrict the builders shown. |
02:47:33 | Varriount | flaviu: By the way, did you see the modification I made to the code? It no longer requires a 'number' parameter in the url |
02:48:19 | flaviu | Yes, and I took advantage of that too |
02:56:10 | Varriount | flaviu: So, any other ideas? |
02:56:17 | flaviu | huh? |
02:57:01 | flaviu | Do you mean ideas like regression testing, test analytics? |
03:00:20 | flaviu | btw, I sent in a PR to fix a bit of the Arch build. python27 doesn't exist, python2.7 does. I just set it to python2 to avoid being too specific. |
03:06:12 | Varriount | flaviu: My idea for displaying tests was to write a nimrod program that takes output from multiple testers, and generates a webpage with a comparitive view of the test results for each tester. |
03:06:38 | Varriount | flaviu: Javascript could then be used to selectively hide/show the different platforms. |
03:06:51 | Varriount | *platforms/testers |
03:07:08 | flaviu | meh, just providing a database dump would be a hundred times more useful. |
03:08:30 | perturbation | I had some ideas along those lines for doing some sort of lightweight test harness that would work with git bisect to find what commit broke a unit test |
03:08:45 | perturbation | but you'd have to recompile each time which might be painful |
03:09:13 | flaviu | The target audience here know that they're doing, and have much more flexibility with database dumps. There are all sorts of different uses, and there is no way to cover all possible uses. |
03:11:02 | flaviu | Nim compilation is very fast, no point in being too concerened about compilation time |
03:11:18 | flaviu | You could probably bisect the whole repo in less than a couple hours. |
03:12:32 | Varriount | perturbation: What takes up the most build time is running tests. |
03:12:48 | flaviu | You don't have to run all tests, you'd just be running one or two. |
03:13:28 | perturbation | you'd have to separate them out instead of just asserts under when isMainModule: though |
03:13:36 | perturbation | which means fewer people would use it |
03:13:46 | perturbation | (if you were only going to test one or two) |
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07:54:43 | gokr1 | Varriount: I can set my MBP as a slave for now, its not just sitting still all the time - but a lot of the time :) |
07:54:53 | gokr1 | At least we can see it works. |
07:55:03 | gokr1 | And good morning btw :) |
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09:35:24 | Varriount|Mobile | Araq: I know that strings will grow if added to, but are they ever shrunken, such as when setting their length? |
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09:59:02 | Araq0 | Varriount|Mobile: no, currently they are not. we could do it but I don't see why we should, it happens so rarely |
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11:23:12 | gokr1 | He, Jolla managed to crowdfund 380 k$ for their tablet - in about 2.5h. |
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12:58:52 | kokozedman | how do I resize a Nim string? I want to store binary data in the string, which contains many arbitrary \0 |
13:00:02 | EXetoC | setLen? |
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13:00:48 | kokozedman | EXetoC: thanks, I actually didn't know |
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15:22:19 | Araq0 | hi kostya welcome |
15:23:50 | kostya | hi, can someone help with perfomance with nimrod here? https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks/tree/master/havlak |
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15:31:52 | Varriount|Busy | kostya: Have you done any profiling so far? |
15:32:37 | kostya | seems this line very slow nonBackPreds.add initSet[int]() |
15:33:14 | flaviu__ | dom96: You should consider adding `Cache-Control: max-age=86400` to the /assets/ dir on the website and any other static content. |
15:36:53 | Araq0 | kostya: these value-based collections are somewhat less convenient to work with, maybe use 'ref TSet[int]' instead |
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15:39:40 | Araq0 | also --gc:markAndSweep or --gc:boehm can be much faster for toy benchmarks |
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15:45:53 | Araq0 | and TTable and TSet haven't really been optimized |
15:46:25 | Araq0 | also ... your data structures suck but I guess they are the same for every benchmark |
15:46:50 | kostya | yes, same containers |
16:00:09 | Araq0 | also ... something is very wrong when we use MUCH more memory than everybody else |
16:01:08 | Araq0 | I might have a proper look into it tonight |
16:02:31 | kostya | yes, in another benchmarks, almost nimrod at top |
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16:20:49 | Varriount|Busy | Araq0: I guess you're right about real-world usage often being better than narrow tests. |
16:22:33 | EXetoC | that might be true, indeed |
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16:32:25 | Varriount|Busy | kostya: Do you have any other benchmarks? (preferably where nimrod performs well?) |
16:33:03 | kostya | https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks |
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16:45:53 | Varriount|Busy | kostya: :D |
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16:55:01 | Varriount|Busy | hello gokr |
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16:59:13 | gokr | hey |
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17:01:16 | gokr | Finally got around building devel on OSX + nimble + my little blimp. All fine! |
17:03:59 | gokr | Holy... so Jolla had a crowdfunding goal of $380k for their "ipad mini". It started earlier today, and they are at 650k now :) |
17:08:33 | gokr | Varriount|Busy: Ha, all builds green! |
17:08:40 | gokr | Now we just need to add OSX. |
17:09:07 | gokr | As I said, I can add a slave on my MBP "for now", tomorrow. Just send me the stuff I need to hook it. |
17:09:29 | gokr | Its the latest OSX/XCode and builds nim just fine. |
17:18:48 | Varriount|Busy | gokr: There's still the occasional false-positive with the windows builds - the tester output occasionally hangs. |
17:19:06 | gokr | The t5000 test? |
17:19:13 | gokr | It hung also on Linux32 once. |
17:19:19 | gokr | At least once. |
17:19:19 | Varriount|Busy | gokr: No, this is just a general output delay |
17:19:23 | gokr | Oh |
17:19:45 | Varriount|Busy | gokr: I increased the testing step timeout (again) to 6 hours. I figure if the tester is running for longer than that, something is wrong. |
17:21:11 | Varriount|Busy | gokr: Araq wants me to get tester results up this weekend... Hopefully I can use nimrod to generate a webpage that combines multiple test results... |
17:21:59 | Araq0 | Varriount|Busy: the tester already supports website generation |
17:22:03 | Varriount|Busy | gokr: Oh, you need passcodes and such for a mac slave? I'll send you them once I get home. |
17:22:06 | Araq0 | you only need to invoke it |
17:22:09 | gokr | cool |
17:22:17 | Varriount|Busy | Araq0: But not for multiple test results...? |
17:22:34 | Araq0 | Varriount|Busy: you only have to merge the sqlite databases |
17:22:40 | Varriount|Busy | Araq0: Wouldn't you like to be able to compare test results for multiple platforms, side-by-side? |
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17:22:56 | Varriount|Busy | Oh? Will the tester generate correct html? |
17:22:58 | Araq0 | Varriount|Busy: the tester supports that |
17:23:19 | Araq0 | the database model has been designed with multiple platforms in mind |
17:23:40 | Araq0 | it's just that the databases is per platform and they are not merged |
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17:24:55 | Varriount|Busy | Well then, that should be easy to rectify. |
17:25:43 | Araq0 | the tester really is not bad, it's the 3rd version of it ;-) |
17:27:28 | Varriount|Busy | Araq0: This also means I can change the buildbot pages to say 'built with python *and nimrod*' (or perhaps 'nimrod and python'?) |
17:27:56 | Varriount|Busy | Since one could argue that the tester and the buildbot are working together in a more involved capacity. |
17:28:07 | Araq0 | yup |
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17:55:26 | Varriount|Busy | Hello Sht0 |
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18:07:09 | mat4 | hello |
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18:25:02 | Araq | hi mat4. are you an upgrade of mat3? |
18:25:13 | mat4 | yes |
18:25:22 | mat4 | registered name conflict |
18:25:37 | Araq | ever considered to name yourself Mach 3 ? |
18:25:57 | mat4 | quite nice |
18:30:09 | gour | Araq: is the path to 1.0 mostly paved with fixing bugs? |
18:31:08 | Araq | gour: yes |
18:32:11 | gour | nice strategy ;) |
18:32:26 | Araq | currently I count 46 bugs that I need to fix for 1.0 |
18:32:57 | flaviu__ | Araq: You're behind :/ |
18:33:23 | flaviu__ | just joking, any bug fixing sounds great. |
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18:48:24 | Araq | hi spectator |
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18:58:14 | Araq | flaviu__: still waiting for your security patches |
19:02:12 | flaviu__ | I've been busy, and frankly I'm concerned that it wouldn't mean much with the number of other issues. |
19:02:37 | Araq | well I expect you to work on the other issues too ... |
19:04:33 | Araq | nimforum -- as primitive as it may be -- is one of our showcases |
19:06:20 | flaviu__ | Yes, but I don't like to do stuff I don't enjoy. Trying to break into it is lots of fun, fixing it is less so. |
19:06:49 | flaviu__ | Adding CSRF tokens is about as boring as it gets |
19:07:25 | flaviu__ | BTW, the proper password hashing isn't merged yet |
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19:13:38 | flaviu__ | sorry about coming and going so often, it's unrelated to the conversation |
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19:20:00 | EXetoC | I don't like boring things either. It's some kind of human mechanism I guess :p |
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19:32:42 | mat4 | solution is simple, just fix your human restrictions |
19:32:44 | mat4 | ;) |
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20:21:10 | Araq | argh I hate it when my compiler is too smart |
20:22:02 | Araq | I'm testing for a bug in the 'of' operator ... but the bloody compiler optimizes it away ... |
20:22:51 | EXetoC | why unconditionally? didn't think of this scenario perhaps |
20:25:33 | Araq | well it only optimizes it away when it's possible to do so |
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20:27:37 | EXetoC | well yeah, every time would be weird |
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20:28:24 | mat4 | Araq: Visual C ? |
20:28:45 | Araq | mat4: no, Nim optimizes it away |
20:28:55 | mat4 | ok |
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20:52:18 | flaviu | How do I use a custom CC? |
20:53:14 | flaviu | I guess I could change nimrod.cfg |
20:54:29 | Araq | flaviu: yeah, remember that you can use project specific configurations |
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21:08:58 | flaviu | I can't seem to figure out how to use a custom one, it looks like the available compilers are pre-determined, and it's unclear how I can take advantage of UCC |
21:09:22 | flaviu | nim doesn't look at the contents of the CC env var, it looks like |
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22:33:53 | Araq | hi spookley welcome |
22:42:22 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 32ec5af Araq [+1 ±2 -0]: fixes #1053, fixes #924 |
22:42:22 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel abb2c21 Araq [+1 ±1 -0]: fixes #836 |
22:48:53 | Araq | can somebody please look at https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/652 and see if it's still valid? |
22:55:45 | Joe_knock | acolley was so vague about that issue. flaviut1 tried to ask for some clarity but no response from so long |
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23:07:14 | Joe_knock | Araq: Problem solved here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8140494/why-am-i-getting-a-gcc-undefined-reference-error-trying-to-create-shared-objec ?? |
23:09:29 | Araq | Joe_knock: well yes, it's "solved" on SO, but I don't understand anything of it |
23:09:54 | Araq | so what does that mean for Nim? |
23:11:28 | Araq | "Recent versions of gcc/ld default to linking with --as-needed." so gcc decided to break like several thousands of projects which didn't know about this subtle suff? |
23:14:35 | Joe_knock | I'm trying to understand how the issue on GH relates to GCC. |
23:28:06 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 3215666 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: fixes #1666 |
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23:36:27 | reactormonk | Araq, btw, when you do want to engage the channel forward? |
23:39:57 | Joe_knock | What are dynamic libraries in C? |
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23:40:50 | Araq | reactormonk: when we released the next version |
23:42:19 | reactormonk | Joe_knock, as opposed to statically linked binaries |
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