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00:14:53Araqhi avocade welcome
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00:16:58avocadeAraq: thanks :)
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01:50:35Joe_knockWhat is add replaced by? It says "add is deprecated"
01:51:51Joe_knockanybody?
01:55:25Joe_knockOkay tomorrow then.
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03:19:07Varriountdom96: Uh.. do you have the forum running via an initscript, or re you running it manually through a ssh session?
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03:25:55NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 168d0fe Flaviu Tamas [+0 ±1 -0]: Add fancy build status buttons!... 2 more lines
03:25:55NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel caf915d Varriount [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #1665 from flaviut/patch-1... 2 more lines
03:26:51flaviufyi, systemd really makes running daemons easy
03:28:13ldleworksystemd, the init system that became an operating system
03:28:42ldlework(I don't really know anything about systemd)
03:30:13flaviuldlework: Well, everyone else gets along fine hating it with no more than that justification :p
03:30:38flaviuIt's popular to hate it, but all I care about is that it really makes things easy for me.
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03:36:54ldleworkI'm just supposed to hate it because I work at Docker
04:19:17VarriountHm. I just read two articles, one for and one against systemd.
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04:19:45VarriountIt seems like just any other piece of major software - it has its upsides and downsides.
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10:42:20dom96_Varriount: the latter why?
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15:27:38Varriount|BusyHello askatasuna
15:27:49askatasunahello
15:28:03askatasuna:)
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16:06:04Joe_knockDoes anybody know what the replacements for "add" and "$" are?
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16:17:04onionhammerJoe_knock replacements?
16:17:31Joe_knockonionhammer: when running a compile, "add" and "$" are "deprecated" with no info on what to replace them with
16:18:24onionhammerinteresting... wasnt aware they were deprecated :)
16:19:07onionhammerJoe_knock what are the signatures you're using
16:19:14onionhammerin which module
16:20:22Joe_knockonionhammer: I am using Jester to build web applications. I told dom96 I'll clean up his code for the deprecated stuff. Everything else is done, except that "add" and "$" are deprecated. file = jester.nim
16:21:51onionhammeroh
16:22:10onionhammerI think "add" may have been to send data back directly and now it isnt possible the way the async update is written
16:22:52onionhammerthe way the old version worked, you could pass around a response object and keep sending stuff back to the client browser
16:22:53Joe_knockaah I see, that makes sense.
16:23:02onionhammerim not sure about the $ though
16:23:09onionhammeron what object?
16:23:16Joe_knockI'll have to wait on dom96 for "add".
16:23:21EXetoCoverloads exist in the system module, so I was a little confused :p
16:23:50onionhammerafaik "add" and "$" are not deprecated in any way, dom96 has just deprecated his "add" and "$" procs in jester ;)
16:25:33Joe_knockonionhammer: return request.makeUri($address, absolute, addScriptName)
16:25:51EXetoCno replacements are mentioned?
16:26:01EXetoCprobably not
16:26:07Joe_knockNope, for everything else replacements were suggested.
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16:26:41Joe_knockAlso, How the compile works... It mentions all the deprecated stuff in the core files initially, then in jester.nim . Is this correct?
16:28:42Varriount|BusyJoe_knock: I don't *think* so, however you'll need to confirm with Araq.
16:29:57Joe_knockI initially thought there was deprecated stuff in the core files, then I took a look and realized that those functions (can I call them that?) were deprecated but still "usable".
16:32:00EXetoCofficialy it's "proc", but it's obvious either way
16:32:37EXetoCusable yes. deprecated means possibly removed some time in the future
16:33:04Joe_knockDid you guys already debate about why it is called proc? It feels a bit weird when I see "proc" to act as the function
16:33:20EXetoCit is short for procedure
16:33:36onionhammeraraqs personal taste
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16:36:33Joe_knockwhat is the C equivalent?
16:36:56EXetoCa function
16:41:38Joe_knockI mean the actual text EXetoC :p
16:42:00onionhammer()?
16:43:49Joe_knockIs it something like func () ?
16:51:41EXetoCoh. you don't know C? here's one returning void (nothing): void f(){}
16:52:06EXetoCint f() { return 3; }
16:52:43EXetoCyou can also check the C code generated by nimrod if you want
16:53:21EXetoCin release mode in case there's too much stuff
16:53:32Joe_knockoh yes, I remember now! thanks EXetoC . You initialized functions using things like void, int, str .
16:54:44EXetoCyou start with the return type, yes
16:55:47EXetoC"proc p: cint" -> "int p() { return 0; }"
16:56:52EXetoCnimrod's int would be the biggest integer type available (usually int32_t or int64_t)
16:57:44Joe_knockSo are all types initialized like that? proc j: cvar ? proc f: cbool ?
16:57:49EXetoCI mean, the type used for pointer addresses
16:59:08EXetoCit's a type rather than a var, but yes
17:00:19EXetoCcbool should be bool though
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17:00:47EXetoC"proc p" -> "void p() {}"
17:01:29EXetoCthere's a void type in nimrod though but don't use it for this purpose
17:03:04Araq0Joe_knock: "Why is it named proc?" is dealt with in our FAQ: http://nimrod-lang.org/question.html
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17:13:28Varriount|Busy"If your textual programming language is so complex as to *require* an IDE to be usable/productive, you're doing it wrong."
17:19:34Araq0Varriount|Busy: I'd phrase it as "if your programming language is so tedious ..."
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18:19:56gokrHmmmm: C:\nim\Nimrod>koch.exe boot -d:release
18:19:56gokrcould not import: CreateSymbolicLinkW
18:20:17gokr(on a virtual WinXP)
18:22:42gokrok, found a thread in the forum
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18:37:16Araq ## Create a symbolic link at `dest` which points to the item specified
18:37:18Araq ## by `src`. On most operating systems, will fail if a lonk
18:37:38Araqwtf? "fail if a lonk"?
18:37:54AraqVarriount|Busy: fix it
18:38:33onionhammeraraq you should stop answering questions on the forum :P
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18:39:40Araqonionhammer: no. people should start asking interesting questions
18:40:14onionhammeronly answer interesting questions :P
18:40:30Joe_knockAraq: I asked the others this ... Is "add" and "$" deprecated?
18:40:51onionhammerotherwise you're going to scare of the newbs. we might know you as the lovable grouch here, but new people on the forums will only see the language creator attacking people :P
18:40:58onionhammerscare off*
18:43:30Araqonionhammer: ok, fair enough.
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18:44:18AraqJoe_knock: add and $ are everywhere and not deprecated. dom96's overloads might be, but I dunno why
18:45:09Joe_knockorytee then. Let me run a test then push. dom96 will have to look into those deprecation issues
18:45:28onionhammerAraq Joe_knock iirc he added 'add' at my behest when I wanted to be able to write back directly to the socket, then he deprecated it when he moved to async sockets
18:46:09Joe_knockoh!!! so dom96 has deprecated himself. Are you using new-async onionhammer
18:46:15Joe_knock^^?
18:46:47onionhammeryes I believe so
18:46:48AraqJoe_knock: in general 'deprecated' stuff stays around for a quite a while in Nim land, nothing to be overly concerned about
18:47:10onionhammeri'm not actively working on any jester thing right now, but i used it a while back and a couple of sites are using it
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18:47:51Araqiirc the official policy is 2 versions of support before we really remove it
18:47:54Joe_knockonionhammer: How did you build things out in Jester without the "DELETE" request?
18:48:09onionhammerdelete request?
18:48:47onionhammernot sure what you mean Joe_knock
18:49:08EXetoCthe DELETE HTTP method
18:49:26onionhammerdoes anyone use that?
18:50:20EXetoCI think so
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18:50:28ldleworkAraq: heh you are a bit 'yelly' on the forums :)
18:50:44EXetoCis it DELETE and UPDATE that people recommend also using? and others not so much
18:51:02EXetoCsuch as SPACEJUMP
18:51:04onionhammeri mean.. i only *ever* see GET/POST
18:51:10Joe_knockUsing the DELETE method you can built out your pretty restful API
18:51:57EXetoCmaybe I meant PATCH. I don't know much about this
18:52:39Araqonionhammer: well reading my posts again, I don't think I attack anybody. it's just my usual bad mood.
18:53:05onionhammernot directly, but indirectly
18:53:30onionhammernot so much "damn you're dumb" but more like "anyone who has the problem you're having could be considered dumb" :P
18:53:40ldleworklol
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18:59:49Araqwell I edited my post, be happy
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19:03:08AraqVarriount: I still think the symlink stuff should be in its own module
19:03:44Joe_knockdid you call an OP dumb? :O
19:03:52*Joe_knock cringes
19:04:08AraqJoe_knock: no, I did not.
19:05:12Joe_knock"EDITED because people think I'm too rude. Sorry. " :'D
19:05:36EXetoCI don't think it's a question of intelligence :p
19:05:52AraqEXetoC: indeed it is not
19:06:17Joe_knockwait wait, I actually just read the OPs question. Let's be fair on Araq , that type of question would get closed on stackoverflow
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19:07:12onionhammerJoe_knock right it probably didnt really deserve a response from the language designer :p
19:07:42Joe_knock:D
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19:09:10Araqin fact, I sympathize with people who dislike to read manuals ...
19:09:55AraqI often avoid it too when I think that no manual should be necessary
19:10:28ldleworkYou are like Rob Pike antimatter, I swear
19:11:46ldleworkAraq: does Nim have any sort of thing setup for donation support, etc?
19:12:25EXetoCyes, it's somewhere on the site
19:12:43superfuncI think there is a gittip setup somewhere
19:13:37Joe_knockI volunteer to put a massive gittip button on the homepage.
19:13:46ldleworkAh I see it
19:13:53EXetoCpre-roll!
19:13:54Araqit's kind of broken
19:14:06Araqthey changed the layout or something
19:14:20EXetoC$5.14 a week. slightly more than a couple of months ago I think
19:14:30Araqyeah I'm rich already
19:15:14EXetoCI still have no income really. Perhaps in a couple of weeks
19:15:31Joe_knockTBH, gittip doesn't generate much. A PayPal button would work better
19:15:42EXetoCdoesn't anyone of those have a job? :p
19:15:54EXetoCJoe_knock: there's a paypal button too
19:16:20ldleworkEXetoC: anyone of what
19:17:02AraqEXetoC: start fixing bugs and you can get my $5.14 a week
19:17:29superfuncbig bounty!
19:17:56Araqbut don't spend all of it on drugs
19:20:13Joe_knockfinal deprecation cleanup: "jester.nim(672, 8) Warning: use 'else: discard'; non-ordinal case without 'else' is deprecated [Deprecated]" suggestions?
19:20:26dom96_Joe_knock: What onionhammer said is correct. If I remember correctly I deprecated the 'add' proc. It's ok to leave those deprecation warnings. Thanks for fixing the others!
19:20:55Joe_knockdom96_ I'm almost done cleaning it up. jester.nim was the biggest, so just gotta sort out "else"
19:21:30Joe_knockdom96_ Don't accept PR yet. 1 more to come
19:21:42dom96_Joe_knock: Add 'else: discard' to the case stmt.
19:22:48Joe_knockis it a namespace error? I see else: discard on line 677-678
19:23:07dom96_hrm, not sure.
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19:26:22EXetoCnamespace?
19:26:44EXetoClooking at the wrong block are you?
19:27:06AraqVarriount|Busy: and the module should only be available with the new -d:DirectoriesWithCyclesPlease switch ;-)
19:27:30EXetoCI almost missed it myself because of the indent length..
19:30:07EXetoCJoe_knock: are 2 spaces per indent sufficient for you?
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19:32:25Joe_knockEXetoC: I added an extra else: discard after the 'post', it turns out it was missing it.
19:36:48Joe_knockdone.
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19:37:40Varriount|BusyAraq0: DirectoriesWithCycles?
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19:42:06AraqVarriount|Busy: well that's what symlinks enable
19:42:29AraqwalkDir following symlinks needs a cycle detector
19:42:48Araqthis is the reason why I dislike them so much
19:46:55Varriount|BusyAraq: Or you just have a depth limiter.
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19:47:22Varriount|BusyAraq: Also, depending on the OS/FS, cycles aren't allowed.
19:47:28AraqVarriount|Busy: that doesn't fly when you want to do copyFullDir
19:47:47Araqa depth limiter has some charme though
19:48:10Araqa backup tool that automatically discards Java projects ...
19:48:39Varriount|BusyAraq: Well, this weekend you want me to get test results up in the new builder, right?
19:48:50Araqright
19:49:00Araqthat has 120% priority
19:49:16Varriount|BusySo, I'll put os.nim enhancements on for *next* weekend.
19:49:25Araqso that my fixes don't produce new unnoticed regressions
19:50:06AraqVarriount|Busy: well I'm not even serious with the os.nim changes
19:50:48Varriount|BusyHave to go, be back later.
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20:03:24NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel bb532a6 Araq [+1 ±4 -0]: fixes #1562, fixes #1543
20:03:24NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 0e7220f Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge branch 'devel' of https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod into devel
20:08:18Araqflaviu: 40 bugs in 40 days. I'm not falling behind.
20:09:49Araqhrm can JS bugs even be "high priority"?
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20:39:36NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 5768903 Araq [+0 ±3 -0]: fixes #916
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20:58:43Araqok seriously
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20:59:20Araqwhy oh why does *sometimes* firefox lose the newlines when copying to the clipboard?
20:59:33Araqis there some plugin to fix that?
21:00:08Araqand why is that never fixed with some update?
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21:15:19AraqAMorpork: the old books were much better, IMO
21:18:48AMorporkAraq: Mostly agreed.
21:19:05AMorporkI do have a fancy for the Moist von Lipwig stories though.
21:19:46Araqnot sure-- is that the guy with his own newspaper?
21:20:05AMorporkYeah, that was the first book with him.
21:20:09AMorporkThe second was Going Postal
21:20:14AMorporkThe third was Making Money
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21:24:01Araqah yeah
21:44:39gokrTrying to get my blimp working on windows, sigh.
21:45:15gokrSo... execCmdEx, it handled a command using a pipe just fine, but .. nah, not on windows.
21:46:12gokrI can understand that I guess, on windows it ... aha, perhaps I can use cmd /c or something.
21:48:26gokrHa! worked
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