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00:14:53 | Araq | hi avocade welcome |
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00:16:58 | avocade | Araq: thanks :) |
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01:50:35 | Joe_knock | What is add replaced by? It says "add is deprecated" |
01:51:51 | Joe_knock | anybody? |
01:55:25 | Joe_knock | Okay tomorrow then. |
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03:19:07 | Varriount | dom96: Uh.. do you have the forum running via an initscript, or re you running it manually through a ssh session? |
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03:25:55 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 168d0fe Flaviu Tamas [+0 ±1 -0]: Add fancy build status buttons!... 2 more lines |
03:25:55 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel caf915d Varriount [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #1665 from flaviut/patch-1... 2 more lines |
03:26:51 | flaviu | fyi, systemd really makes running daemons easy |
03:28:13 | ldlework | systemd, the init system that became an operating system |
03:28:42 | ldlework | (I don't really know anything about systemd) |
03:30:13 | flaviu | ldlework: Well, everyone else gets along fine hating it with no more than that justification :p |
03:30:38 | flaviu | It's popular to hate it, but all I care about is that it really makes things easy for me. |
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03:36:54 | ldlework | I'm just supposed to hate it because I work at Docker |
04:19:17 | Varriount | Hm. I just read two articles, one for and one against systemd. |
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04:19:45 | Varriount | It seems like just any other piece of major software - it has its upsides and downsides. |
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10:42:20 | dom96_ | Varriount: the latter why? |
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15:27:38 | Varriount|Busy | Hello askatasuna |
15:27:49 | askatasuna | hello |
15:28:03 | askatasuna | :) |
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16:06:04 | Joe_knock | Does anybody know what the replacements for "add" and "$" are? |
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16:17:04 | onionhammer | Joe_knock replacements? |
16:17:31 | Joe_knock | onionhammer: when running a compile, "add" and "$" are "deprecated" with no info on what to replace them with |
16:18:24 | onionhammer | interesting... wasnt aware they were deprecated :) |
16:19:07 | onionhammer | Joe_knock what are the signatures you're using |
16:19:14 | onionhammer | in which module |
16:20:22 | Joe_knock | onionhammer: I am using Jester to build web applications. I told dom96 I'll clean up his code for the deprecated stuff. Everything else is done, except that "add" and "$" are deprecated. file = jester.nim |
16:21:51 | onionhammer | oh |
16:22:10 | onionhammer | I think "add" may have been to send data back directly and now it isnt possible the way the async update is written |
16:22:52 | onionhammer | the way the old version worked, you could pass around a response object and keep sending stuff back to the client browser |
16:22:53 | Joe_knock | aah I see, that makes sense. |
16:23:02 | onionhammer | im not sure about the $ though |
16:23:09 | onionhammer | on what object? |
16:23:16 | Joe_knock | I'll have to wait on dom96 for "add". |
16:23:21 | EXetoC | overloads exist in the system module, so I was a little confused :p |
16:23:50 | onionhammer | afaik "add" and "$" are not deprecated in any way, dom96 has just deprecated his "add" and "$" procs in jester ;) |
16:25:33 | Joe_knock | onionhammer: return request.makeUri($address, absolute, addScriptName) |
16:25:51 | EXetoC | no replacements are mentioned? |
16:26:01 | EXetoC | probably not |
16:26:07 | Joe_knock | Nope, for everything else replacements were suggested. |
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16:26:41 | Joe_knock | Also, How the compile works... It mentions all the deprecated stuff in the core files initially, then in jester.nim . Is this correct? |
16:28:42 | Varriount|Busy | Joe_knock: I don't *think* so, however you'll need to confirm with Araq. |
16:29:57 | Joe_knock | I initially thought there was deprecated stuff in the core files, then I took a look and realized that those functions (can I call them that?) were deprecated but still "usable". |
16:32:00 | EXetoC | officialy it's "proc", but it's obvious either way |
16:32:37 | EXetoC | usable yes. deprecated means possibly removed some time in the future |
16:33:04 | Joe_knock | Did you guys already debate about why it is called proc? It feels a bit weird when I see "proc" to act as the function |
16:33:20 | EXetoC | it is short for procedure |
16:33:36 | onionhammer | araqs personal taste |
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16:36:33 | Joe_knock | what is the C equivalent? |
16:36:56 | EXetoC | a function |
16:41:38 | Joe_knock | I mean the actual text EXetoC :p |
16:42:00 | onionhammer | ()? |
16:43:49 | Joe_knock | Is it something like func () ? |
16:51:41 | EXetoC | oh. you don't know C? here's one returning void (nothing): void f(){} |
16:52:06 | EXetoC | int f() { return 3; } |
16:52:43 | EXetoC | you can also check the C code generated by nimrod if you want |
16:53:21 | EXetoC | in release mode in case there's too much stuff |
16:53:32 | Joe_knock | oh yes, I remember now! thanks EXetoC . You initialized functions using things like void, int, str . |
16:54:44 | EXetoC | you start with the return type, yes |
16:55:47 | EXetoC | "proc p: cint" -> "int p() { return 0; }" |
16:56:52 | EXetoC | nimrod's int would be the biggest integer type available (usually int32_t or int64_t) |
16:57:44 | Joe_knock | So are all types initialized like that? proc j: cvar ? proc f: cbool ? |
16:57:49 | EXetoC | I mean, the type used for pointer addresses |
16:59:08 | EXetoC | it's a type rather than a var, but yes |
17:00:19 | EXetoC | cbool should be bool though |
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17:00:47 | EXetoC | "proc p" -> "void p() {}" |
17:01:29 | EXetoC | there's a void type in nimrod though but don't use it for this purpose |
17:03:04 | Araq0 | Joe_knock: "Why is it named proc?" is dealt with in our FAQ: http://nimrod-lang.org/question.html |
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17:13:28 | Varriount|Busy | "If your textual programming language is so complex as to *require* an IDE to be usable/productive, you're doing it wrong." |
17:19:34 | Araq0 | Varriount|Busy: I'd phrase it as "if your programming language is so tedious ..." |
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18:19:56 | gokr | Hmmmm: C:\nim\Nimrod>koch.exe boot -d:release |
18:19:56 | gokr | could not import: CreateSymbolicLinkW |
18:20:17 | gokr | (on a virtual WinXP) |
18:22:42 | gokr | ok, found a thread in the forum |
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18:37:16 | Araq | ## Create a symbolic link at `dest` which points to the item specified |
18:37:18 | Araq | ## by `src`. On most operating systems, will fail if a lonk |
18:37:38 | Araq | wtf? "fail if a lonk"? |
18:37:54 | Araq | Varriount|Busy: fix it |
18:38:33 | onionhammer | araq you should stop answering questions on the forum :P |
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18:39:40 | Araq | onionhammer: no. people should start asking interesting questions |
18:40:14 | onionhammer | only answer interesting questions :P |
18:40:30 | Joe_knock | Araq: I asked the others this ... Is "add" and "$" deprecated? |
18:40:51 | onionhammer | otherwise you're going to scare of the newbs. we might know you as the lovable grouch here, but new people on the forums will only see the language creator attacking people :P |
18:40:58 | onionhammer | scare off* |
18:43:30 | Araq | onionhammer: ok, fair enough. |
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18:44:18 | Araq | Joe_knock: add and $ are everywhere and not deprecated. dom96's overloads might be, but I dunno why |
18:45:09 | Joe_knock | orytee then. Let me run a test then push. dom96 will have to look into those deprecation issues |
18:45:28 | onionhammer | Araq Joe_knock iirc he added 'add' at my behest when I wanted to be able to write back directly to the socket, then he deprecated it when he moved to async sockets |
18:46:09 | Joe_knock | oh!!! so dom96 has deprecated himself. Are you using new-async onionhammer |
18:46:15 | Joe_knock | ^^? |
18:46:47 | onionhammer | yes I believe so |
18:46:48 | Araq | Joe_knock: in general 'deprecated' stuff stays around for a quite a while in Nim land, nothing to be overly concerned about |
18:47:10 | onionhammer | i'm not actively working on any jester thing right now, but i used it a while back and a couple of sites are using it |
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18:47:51 | Araq | iirc the official policy is 2 versions of support before we really remove it |
18:47:54 | Joe_knock | onionhammer: How did you build things out in Jester without the "DELETE" request? |
18:48:09 | onionhammer | delete request? |
18:48:47 | onionhammer | not sure what you mean Joe_knock |
18:49:08 | EXetoC | the DELETE HTTP method |
18:49:26 | onionhammer | does anyone use that? |
18:50:20 | EXetoC | I think so |
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18:50:28 | ldlework | Araq: heh you are a bit 'yelly' on the forums :) |
18:50:44 | EXetoC | is it DELETE and UPDATE that people recommend also using? and others not so much |
18:51:02 | EXetoC | such as SPACEJUMP |
18:51:04 | onionhammer | i mean.. i only *ever* see GET/POST |
18:51:10 | Joe_knock | Using the DELETE method you can built out your pretty restful API |
18:51:57 | EXetoC | maybe I meant PATCH. I don't know much about this |
18:52:39 | Araq | onionhammer: well reading my posts again, I don't think I attack anybody. it's just my usual bad mood. |
18:53:05 | onionhammer | not directly, but indirectly |
18:53:30 | onionhammer | not so much "damn you're dumb" but more like "anyone who has the problem you're having could be considered dumb" :P |
18:53:40 | ldlework | lol |
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18:59:49 | Araq | well I edited my post, be happy |
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19:03:08 | Araq | Varriount: I still think the symlink stuff should be in its own module |
19:03:44 | Joe_knock | did you call an OP dumb? :O |
19:03:52 | * | Joe_knock cringes |
19:04:08 | Araq | Joe_knock: no, I did not. |
19:05:12 | Joe_knock | "EDITED because people think I'm too rude. Sorry. " :'D |
19:05:36 | EXetoC | I don't think it's a question of intelligence :p |
19:05:52 | Araq | EXetoC: indeed it is not |
19:06:17 | Joe_knock | wait wait, I actually just read the OPs question. Let's be fair on Araq , that type of question would get closed on stackoverflow |
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19:07:12 | onionhammer | Joe_knock right it probably didnt really deserve a response from the language designer :p |
19:07:42 | Joe_knock | :D |
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19:09:10 | Araq | in fact, I sympathize with people who dislike to read manuals ... |
19:09:55 | Araq | I often avoid it too when I think that no manual should be necessary |
19:10:28 | ldlework | You are like Rob Pike antimatter, I swear |
19:11:46 | ldlework | Araq: does Nim have any sort of thing setup for donation support, etc? |
19:12:25 | EXetoC | yes, it's somewhere on the site |
19:12:43 | superfunc | I think there is a gittip setup somewhere |
19:13:37 | Joe_knock | I volunteer to put a massive gittip button on the homepage. |
19:13:46 | ldlework | Ah I see it |
19:13:53 | EXetoC | pre-roll! |
19:13:54 | Araq | it's kind of broken |
19:14:06 | Araq | they changed the layout or something |
19:14:20 | EXetoC | $5.14 a week. slightly more than a couple of months ago I think |
19:14:30 | Araq | yeah I'm rich already |
19:15:14 | EXetoC | I still have no income really. Perhaps in a couple of weeks |
19:15:31 | Joe_knock | TBH, gittip doesn't generate much. A PayPal button would work better |
19:15:42 | EXetoC | doesn't anyone of those have a job? :p |
19:15:54 | EXetoC | Joe_knock: there's a paypal button too |
19:16:20 | ldlework | EXetoC: anyone of what |
19:17:02 | Araq | EXetoC: start fixing bugs and you can get my $5.14 a week |
19:17:29 | superfunc | big bounty! |
19:17:56 | Araq | but don't spend all of it on drugs |
19:20:13 | Joe_knock | final deprecation cleanup: "jester.nim(672, 8) Warning: use 'else: discard'; non-ordinal case without 'else' is deprecated [Deprecated]" suggestions? |
19:20:26 | dom96_ | Joe_knock: What onionhammer said is correct. If I remember correctly I deprecated the 'add' proc. It's ok to leave those deprecation warnings. Thanks for fixing the others! |
19:20:55 | Joe_knock | dom96_ I'm almost done cleaning it up. jester.nim was the biggest, so just gotta sort out "else" |
19:21:30 | Joe_knock | dom96_ Don't accept PR yet. 1 more to come |
19:21:42 | dom96_ | Joe_knock: Add 'else: discard' to the case stmt. |
19:22:48 | Joe_knock | is it a namespace error? I see else: discard on line 677-678 |
19:23:07 | dom96_ | hrm, not sure. |
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19:26:22 | EXetoC | namespace? |
19:26:44 | EXetoC | looking at the wrong block are you? |
19:27:06 | Araq | Varriount|Busy: and the module should only be available with the new -d:DirectoriesWithCyclesPlease switch ;-) |
19:27:30 | EXetoC | I almost missed it myself because of the indent length.. |
19:30:07 | EXetoC | Joe_knock: are 2 spaces per indent sufficient for you? |
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19:32:25 | Joe_knock | EXetoC: I added an extra else: discard after the 'post', it turns out it was missing it. |
19:36:48 | Joe_knock | done. |
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19:37:40 | Varriount|Busy | Araq0: DirectoriesWithCycles? |
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19:42:06 | Araq | Varriount|Busy: well that's what symlinks enable |
19:42:29 | Araq | walkDir following symlinks needs a cycle detector |
19:42:48 | Araq | this is the reason why I dislike them so much |
19:46:55 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: Or you just have a depth limiter. |
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19:47:22 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: Also, depending on the OS/FS, cycles aren't allowed. |
19:47:28 | Araq | Varriount|Busy: that doesn't fly when you want to do copyFullDir |
19:47:47 | Araq | a depth limiter has some charme though |
19:48:10 | Araq | a backup tool that automatically discards Java projects ... |
19:48:39 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: Well, this weekend you want me to get test results up in the new builder, right? |
19:48:50 | Araq | right |
19:49:00 | Araq | that has 120% priority |
19:49:16 | Varriount|Busy | So, I'll put os.nim enhancements on for *next* weekend. |
19:49:25 | Araq | so that my fixes don't produce new unnoticed regressions |
19:50:06 | Araq | Varriount|Busy: well I'm not even serious with the os.nim changes |
19:50:48 | Varriount|Busy | Have to go, be back later. |
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20:03:24 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel bb532a6 Araq [+1 ±4 -0]: fixes #1562, fixes #1543 |
20:03:24 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 0e7220f Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge branch 'devel' of https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod into devel |
20:08:18 | Araq | flaviu: 40 bugs in 40 days. I'm not falling behind. |
20:09:49 | Araq | hrm can JS bugs even be "high priority"? |
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20:39:36 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod devel 5768903 Araq [+0 ±3 -0]: fixes #916 |
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20:58:43 | Araq | ok seriously |
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20:59:20 | Araq | why oh why does *sometimes* firefox lose the newlines when copying to the clipboard? |
20:59:33 | Araq | is there some plugin to fix that? |
21:00:08 | Araq | and why is that never fixed with some update? |
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21:15:19 | Araq | AMorpork: the old books were much better, IMO |
21:18:48 | AMorpork | Araq: Mostly agreed. |
21:19:05 | AMorpork | I do have a fancy for the Moist von Lipwig stories though. |
21:19:46 | Araq | not sure-- is that the guy with his own newspaper? |
21:20:05 | AMorpork | Yeah, that was the first book with him. |
21:20:09 | AMorpork | The second was Going Postal |
21:20:14 | AMorpork | The third was Making Money |
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21:24:01 | Araq | ah yeah |
21:44:39 | gokr | Trying to get my blimp working on windows, sigh. |
21:45:15 | gokr | So... execCmdEx, it handled a command using a pipe just fine, but .. nah, not on windows. |
21:46:12 | gokr | I can understand that I guess, on windows it ... aha, perhaps I can use cmd /c or something. |
21:48:26 | gokr | Ha! worked |
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