| 00:00:06 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> If I'm on the go without IDEA for some reason, I tend to use VS Code |
| 00:00:37 | madprops | i installed IDEA a couple of days ago |
| 00:01:03 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> it's so good. been using it for years |
| 00:01:05 | madprops | seems there's no nim plugin for it |
| 00:01:13 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> @madprops Well i am not professional. I also hear good things for VS Code |
| 00:01:22 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> there's a Nim plugin |
| 00:01:47 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> if you open a Nim file, it will prompt you to install it |
| 00:01:58 | madprops | i'll give it a try |
| 00:02:16 | madprops | i have the community edition |
| 00:02:40 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> should still be able to install plugins afaik |
| 00:04:48 | madprops | it's pretty heavy, IDEA |
| 00:07:24 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> yea |
| 00:07:49 | sealmove | I get a very weird error in npeg |
| 00:07:51 | sealmove | /home/sealmove/.nimble/pkgs/npeg-0.21.0/npeg.nim(142, 39) Error: VM is only allowed to 'cast' between integers and/or floats of same size |
| 00:07:58 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> hrm. looks like https://github.com/nim-lang/website was made using Jekyll |
| 00:08:08 | sealmove | anyone has seen this? |
| 00:08:22 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> I could have sworn the site or forum was made using Nim |
| 00:08:34 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> @TensorTom yes sorry |
| 00:08:40 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> look for the forum |
| 00:08:43 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> oic |
| 00:14:26 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> I see Nim forum uses Nginx as a reverse proxy. Why do that rather than just use CGI? |
| 00:15:02 | dom96 | implementing HTTP once is easier than HTTP and CGI |
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| 00:15:53 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> shouldn't performance be better that way though? |
| 00:16:04 | dom96 | nope, why would it be? |
| 00:17:35 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> since only 1 web server that has been tested over the years. I was planning to use openlitespeed + nim in CGI. openlitespeed is very fast (like nginx). seems like forwarding to a nim server would add more complexity and maybe lose some of benefits of lsws or nginx? |
| 00:18:42 | dom96 | if anything CGI would be slower + more complex. You'd need to implement a separate protocol and spawn processes. |
| 00:18:59 | dom96 | nginx is already one of the fastest http servers out there |
| 00:19:57 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> why spawn processes? you put your nim executable in cgi-bin and lsws runs it. I guess you're saying that for each visitor, it will be a separate nim process? |
| 00:20:57 | dom96 | yes |
| 00:31:51 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> @dom96 why you abandoned aporia? |
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| 00:33:08 | dom96 | Willyboar: GTK was a massive pain |
| 00:33:59 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> if anyone can shed some light on why this is happening https://github.com/FedericoCeratto/nim-httpauth/issues/21 would be a great help. Is it just some error in templating and I can replace those lines with some concatenation or other templating? That error comes from the example in the readme https://github.com/FedericoCeratto/nim-httpauth at `resp $( %* {"ok": true, "msg": ""})` |
| 00:35:10 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> ping Federico to help |
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| 00:38:28 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> @dom96 Is there a chance for resurrection if reached a stable native cross platform UI for Nim? |
| 00:38:46 | dom96 | Definitely not by me |
| 00:39:02 | dom96 | Electron has been the way to go for a while now |
| 00:39:03 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> :) I thought you loved aporia |
| 00:39:06 | dom96 | and it's still the best option |
| 00:39:13 | dom96 | if anything I'd fork VS Code |
| 00:39:38 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> By the way Aporia is a greek word |
| 00:39:40 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> :) |
| 00:39:52 | dom96 | yes, that's how I picked the name |
| 00:40:41 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> you can ping me if you ever need another greek name |
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| 00:58:16 | sealmove | Willyboar: why? |
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| 01:04:27 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> Because i am greek :) |
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| 01:12:06 | disruptek | !github npeg |
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| 01:13:40 | disruptek | !github openapi |
| 01:13:59 | disruptek | neat. |
| 01:14:02 | disruptek | give it a try. |
| 01:16:15 | disruptek | !github dirfun |
| 01:16:15 | disbot | https://github.com/madprops/dirfun -- Experimental directory and file creator |
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| 01:21:22 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> !github nim |
| 01:21:24 | disbot | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim -- Nim is a compiled, garbage-collected systems programming language with a design that focuses on efficiency, expressiveness, and elegance (in that order of priority). |
| 01:21:24 | disbot | https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble -- Package manager for the Nim programming language. |
| 01:21:24 | disbot | https://github.com/dom96/jester -- A sinatra-like web framework for Nim. |
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| 01:21:46 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> !github web language:nim |
| 01:21:49 | disbot | https://github.com/dom96/jester -- A sinatra-like web framework for Nim. |
| 01:21:49 | disbot | https://github.com/niv/websocket.nim -- websockets for nim |
| 01:21:50 | disbot | https://github.com/andreaferretti/rosencrantz -- A web DSL for Nim |
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| 01:22:31 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> Do you have a max 3 results? |
| 01:22:46 | disruptek | yeah. |
| 01:22:51 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> By the way i love it |
| 01:23:07 | disruptek | it only searches nim stuff, so you don't need to add the language tag. |
| 01:23:21 | disruptek | !github gui stars:>200 |
| 01:23:23 | disbot | https://github.com/yglukhov/nimx -- GUI library |
| 01:23:23 | disbot | https://github.com/trustable-code/NiGui -- Cross-platform desktop GUI toolkit written in Nim |
| 01:23:31 | FromGitter | <Willyboar> !github static |
| 01:23:33 | disbot | https://github.com/dom96/ipsumgenera -- Static blog generator written in Nim |
| 01:23:33 | disbot | https://github.com/h3rald/nimhttpd -- A tiny static file web server written in Nim |
| 01:23:34 | disbot | https://github.com/kaushalmodi/hello_musl -- NimScript (config.nims) for building a static binary using Nim + musl + pcre + libressl/openssl |
| 01:23:54 | disruptek | bbl |
| 01:24:14 | disruptek | disbot: try not to burn the channel down. |
| 01:24:15 | disbot | on it. 👍 |
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| 02:17:59 | Kevin5 | 👑️ |
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| 02:36:14 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> @FedericoCeratto would appreciate if you could take a look at https://github.com/FedericoCeratto/nim-httpauth/issues/21 when you get the chance |
| 02:36:40 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> I need me some auth/sessions in Nim |
| 02:39:26 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> !github authentication |
| 02:39:27 | disbot | https://github.com/FedericoCeratto/nim-httpauth -- HTTP Authentication library for Nim |
| 02:39:27 | disbot | https://github.com/ba0f3/scram.nim -- Salted Challenge Response Authentication Mechanism (SCRAM-SHA-1 SCRAM-SHA-256 SCRAM-SHA-512) |
| 02:39:28 | disbot | https://github.com/chartera/commander -- A authentication/authorization tcp server |
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| 02:57:31 | FromDiscord | <krab4t> disbot, wtf? |
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| 03:32:51 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Yardanico, https://gitlab.com/define-private-public/stb_image-Nim/issues/8 |
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| 05:01:43 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> yay I managed to get httpauth working with jester! |
| 05:02:11 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> is jester supposed to only serve requests via 1 thread? |
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| 05:44:24 | FromDiscord | <WilliamDraco> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=228k |
| 05:44:24 | FromDiscord | <WilliamDraco> Using NiGui - "process_name" can take several minutes. If user clicks away before it finishes the window locks-up ('not responding') until it does finish, including no more output lines. |
| 05:44:24 | FromDiscord | <WilliamDraco> I'm an amateur and just missing the right concept/phrase to google I hope. |
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| 05:55:00 | Zevv | sealmove: interesting, haven't seen that before. For now you can get away with doing a readFile() or staticRead() yourself, but I'll look into it. |
| 05:57:12 | Zevv | what is your platform? |
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| 06:06:17 | FromGitter | <s0kil> @TensorTom compile with `--threads:on` should use all your threads |
| 06:18:00 | sealmove | Zevv: I saw an example where everything was within a static: block, as soon as I removed it, it works fine |
| 06:18:10 | sealmove | still strange through |
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| 06:24:31 | sealmove | any ideas how to do spaces in peg? :P |
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| 06:50:59 | Zevv | euh what about ' '? |
| 06:51:18 | Zevv | or +' ' when plural |
| 06:51:42 | Zevv | are you running windows, linux or something else, and 32 or 64 bit? |
| 06:56:30 | sealmove | 64bit Linux |
| 06:56:57 | sealmove | I haven't encountered any real issue with npeg yet :D it's awesome <3 |
| 06:57:30 | sealmove | btw is it possible to capture arbitary expressions? |
| 06:57:51 | sealmove | for example if you have something like this `a <- >*b` |
| 06:58:10 | sealmove | does this capture all b's in seperate variables? |
| 06:58:22 | sealmove | if yes, how can you iterate those? |
| 06:58:38 | sealmove | arbitary number of expressions* |
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| 07:24:56 | Zevv | all b's capturs will be available inside the code block as capture[] or $1,$2,$3 |
| 07:27:20 | Zevv | I think matchfile is simple not available at vmtime because of the memfiles |
| 07:35:44 | Zevv | so in the vm you need to do that in two steps: readfile+match |
| 07:36:06 | Zevv | I just ran all of my stuff with --gc:arc, and everything Just Works. Is that a bug? |
| 07:36:40 | sealmove | with 2-step method it works fine |
| 07:36:58 | sealmove | so can you do `for arg in capture` or something like that? |
| 07:37:20 | sealmove | because $1, $2 etc won't do if you don't know how many captures you have |
| 07:37:32 | sealmove | or does it not work like this? |
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| 07:46:57 | PMunch | Hmm, why is csize deprecated on devel in favour of csize_t? |
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| 07:52:19 | Zevv | sealmove: right so |
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| 07:53:03 | Zevv | capture[0] is the whole of `b` in one string, and capture[1] and highter are your explicit captures |
| 07:53:18 | Zevv | the $ notation is just some sugar |
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| 08:09:22 | sealmove | indentation-based is really a struggle for peg :| |
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| 08:10:20 | sealmove | luckily in my grammar there is limited number of indentation levels allowed, and you always know where you will find each |
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| 08:10:57 | sealmove | we should make CT BNF |
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| 08:11:30 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> something funky is going on with vscode - the Nim check project task is locking up code |
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| 08:12:36 | lqdev[m] | @zacharycarter that means there's some infinite recursion going on and your RAM gets filled |
| 08:12:37 | lqdev[m] | something similar happened to me when using npeg a while ago |
| 08:13:02 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> hrm |
| 08:13:22 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> guess I need to disable the nim vscode extension for now |
| 08:14:19 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> thanks lqdev[m] |
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| 09:05:13 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> @PMunch because csize was a lie |
| 09:06:07 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> According to the C/C++ standard csize is supposed to be unsigned the size of a pointer (and later one of the C/C++ committee member said it should have been signed but well) |
| 09:06:25 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> but in Nim it's mapped to an int, causing subtle bugs |
| 09:06:52 | PMunch | Ah, so csize_t is actually a different type |
| 09:06:56 | PMunch | I thought it was just a name change |
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| 09:12:51 | FromDiscord | <krab4t> any GUI library that can create notifications in Windows (not windows 10's toasts) just like firefox does |
| 09:14:09 | PMunch | krab4t, something like this? https://github.com/dom96/notifications |
| 09:14:28 | Zevv | PMunch: There was this commit some time ago where csize was changed, and the obvious collatoral damage in the closeby Nim ecosystem was fixed, but that might still cause surprises for external libs etc. So that was rolled back and csize_t was intruduced instead, so csize can be obsoleted over time. |
| 09:14:32 | PMunch | Oh wait, that was OSX only.. |
| 09:15:08 | FromGitter | <alehander92> whats up |
| 09:15:17 | FromGitter | <alehander92> i see new github disbot |
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| 09:16:36 | PMunch | Wait, krab4t you want something not native? |
| 09:17:12 | PMunch | Haven't used Firefox on Windows so no idea what it does. But I imagine they just create a small window and position it roughly in the tray-bar area? |
| 09:17:58 | FromDiscord | <krab4t> yes |
| 09:18:58 | FromDiscord | <krab4t> ive implemented this osx's in 2015 on objc++, never touching it again https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Vacuum-IM/macintegration/master/macnotify.mm |
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| 09:23:59 | PMunch | Hmm, any ideas what causes this? http://ix.io/229j |
| 09:24:07 | PMunch | It seems to happen no matter what I try to compile.. |
| 09:24:56 | PMunch | Trying to follow this very dated article on Nim on Arduino: https://disconnected.systems/blog/nim-on-adruino/ |
| 09:26:53 | PMunch | It seems like it is the "--cpu:avr" flag that does it.. |
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| 09:36:14 | Araq | PMunch, are you on devel? |
| 09:38:48 | PMunch | No, that was on 1.0.2 |
| 09:39:14 | PMunch | I "fixed" it by simply editing the sets file and adding 'u32 on all those hex literals |
| 09:42:39 | Araq | ok |
| 09:42:59 | Araq | looks we need a test for 'avr' but iirc avr is a 16bit target |
| 09:43:10 | Araq | and adruino is 32 bits? |
| 09:43:30 | lqdev[m] | avr is an 8-bit architecture |
| 09:45:22 | PMunch | Yeah this is an 8-bit chip |
| 09:45:46 | Araq | oh ok |
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| 09:53:36 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> do they use int32 for array indexing? |
| 09:55:18 | lqdev[m] | afaik that shouldn't be a problem, avr-gcc supports any int size and float32 (but not float64) |
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| 10:00:33 | PMunch | Araq, alloc has the same issues: /home/peter/.choosenim/toolchains/nim-1.0.2/lib/system/alloc.nim(140, 16) Error: type mismatch: got <uint32, int32> |
| 10:06:48 | FromDiscord | <Rika> is there a turtle library for nim? i only need to draw very simple dots on a canvas |
| 10:06:51 | Araq | PRs welcome |
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| 10:07:31 | PMunch | unicode also complains. And math.nim has a "createFactTable" that has a `when` case for sizeof(int) == 4 and an else that assumes sizeof(int) == 8 which means it grows too large when sizeof(int) == 2 |
| 10:10:18 | Araq | :-) |
| 10:10:36 | Araq | unicode for a 8 bit processor? |
| 10:10:46 | Araq | sounds like madness to me |
| 10:12:58 | Zevv | why? who cares how many bits are under the hood. |
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| 10:15:07 | PMunch | Haha, this is just because I was trying to use nimterop. Which albeit it runs on compileTime still tries to build the stdlib stuff as an 8-bit processor.. |
| 10:15:42 | Araq | Zevv, because unicode is based on tables that don't fit into memory when your address space is too small |
| 10:16:26 | Zevv | no problem, just fake it :) |
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| 10:17:35 | Zevv | http://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit well look at that |
| 10:19:23 | Araq | "You can type a command and get a reply within a minute." |
| 10:19:28 | Zevv | good enough |
| 10:19:30 | Zevv | you *can* |
| 10:19:51 | PMunch | Haha |
| 10:21:21 | PMunch | Wait, he wrote an ARM emulator for this? |
| 10:21:50 | PMunch | So the 8-bit processor emulates an ARM processor to run Linux :P |
| 10:22:05 | FromGitter | <alehander92> nice |
| 10:22:06 | Araq | yup |
| 10:22:51 | PMunch | Haha "It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt" |
| 10:22:51 | Araq | so ok, Linux totally works on this device we only had to emulate an entirely different CPU and it boots in 2 hours |
| 10:25:29 | Zevv | I once ported linux to an ARM chip that did not exist yet, it was running in an emulator at the silicon level instead. |
| 10:25:34 | Zevv | That took a week to boot to the prompt |
| 10:25:52 | Zevv | but it ran |
| 10:30:04 | Araq | I would have ported DOSBox instead |
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| 10:33:17 | Zevv | you probably can't fit dosbox in an AVR, but you can fit an ARM |
| 10:38:42 | FromDiscord | <itmuckel> @PMunch in nimlsp `openFiles` has a `fingerTable` with a whole lot of empty sequences. What is this `fingerTable`? |
| 10:41:45 | PMunch | Well |
| 10:41:54 | PMunch | Prepare for design stupidity |
| 10:42:05 | PMunch | LSP defines that all source code is sent in UTF-8 encoding |
| 10:42:23 | PMunch | It also specifies that all indices into lines are sent as UTF-16 codepoints |
| 10:43:02 | PMunch | Why? Probably because it's made by Microsoft and strings in C# and UTF-16. So they would need to convert it to UTF-16 codepoints anyways |
| 10:44:42 | PMunch | But this means that I either need to convert the entire source code into UTF-16 every time it updates. Or since UTF-8 and UTF-16 codepoints are the same for 99% of the symbols you would actually use in code just create a finger table of the symbols that aren't the same and then when doing a lookup just check if you need to add some extra to you indices |
| 10:45:16 | PMunch | Try inserting some characters from where UTF-16 and UTF-8 don't overlap, and you will see some numbers in the finger table |
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| 10:46:00 | FromDiscord | <itmuckel> lol, no need, I believe you. So I don't worry about this empty table. 🙄 |
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| 10:49:17 | federico3 | Zevv: that's some impressive work |
| 10:50:45 | PMunch | itmuckel, yeah basically don't worry about it |
| 10:51:26 | PMunch | It should theoretically work just fine, but I'm sure it will break if anyone actually tries it :P |
| 10:52:25 | Zevv | federico3: it's mostly a silly hack, but its fun that people do these things |
| 10:57:33 | FromGitter | <rishavs> I am not sure what I am doing wrong here. I am trying to make an array of tuples; ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ but i am getting a type mismatch here. [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5dd2791d52b73c7cb23c0930] |
| 10:59:31 | narimiran | you cannot add to array |
| 10:59:34 | narimiran | use seq |
| 11:00:13 | narimiran | and don't use Uppercase Names for variables, don't be a barbarian |
| 11:01:22 | FromGitter | <rishavs> > .> |
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| 11:53:10 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ok_variable_police (i'm joking) |
| 11:57:28 | leorize | narimiran, disruptek, Zevv: I'm getting back to nim.nvim development, so if there's any feature that you'd like, please let me know (and preferably open issues for them so I won't forget :p) |
| 11:57:43 | Zevv | Hmm. I can think of something |
| 11:57:56 | narimiran | leorize: "just" copy what ocaml's merlin is having :) |
| 11:58:25 | Zevv | leorize: what about vim8 support? |
| 11:58:25 | leorize | ah yea, I've added that to nimsuggest but hasn't implemented an interface yet :P |
| 11:59:25 | Zevv | you're ignoring me, aren't you? |
| 11:59:29 | narimiran | what i frequently use is :MerlinTypeOf, so it tells me the type of some proc, e.g. `string -> int -> string` in the status bar. for nim version it would be nice to show proc's arguments |
| 11:59:30 | leorize | sure, I'll have to think of a way to keep the interfaces clean though |
| 12:00:10 | narimiran | e.g. `s: var seq[T]; first, last: Natural` |
| 12:00:30 | Zevv | but on a serious note: I'm pretty much feature complete and happy with it as it is now |
| 12:01:01 | leorize | narimiran: yep, I've got that working in nimsuggest, will work on the wiring |
| 12:01:13 | narimiran | leorize: oooh, nice! |
| 12:01:21 | narimiran | you're spoiling us! |
| 12:03:43 | leorize | np, it's something that I found myself needing due to the amount of overloads |
| 12:04:08 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> am i retarded if i still use somev = somev + 1 , insted inc, i cant get used to it at all |
| 12:04:24 | leorize | nah, it's just that inc = less typing :P |
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| 12:06:40 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> its ok to recursively call async proc right? |
| 12:06:49 | narimiran | use += if you don't like inc |
| 12:07:14 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm i am used to ++ |
| 12:07:27 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> so += is even wierder to me |
| 12:07:39 | narimiran | inb4 "write a template" |
| 12:08:46 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or hmm am i used to lol i frogot i thinked in c# i used ++ but i just check it dosent work , from where i did got it in my head duno |
| 12:09:08 | Araq | please use 'inc' |
| 12:09:39 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> yest its ++ i just forgot to put ; |
| 12:09:48 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ? |
| 12:09:52 | FromDiscord | <Rika> why not inc?? |
| 12:09:58 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> for now will use name= name+ 1 |
| 12:10:03 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> evrybody gets that |
| 12:10:10 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> and not hard for me to write |
| 12:10:17 | FromDiscord | <Rika> how is inc hard to write |
| 12:10:31 | FromDiscord | <Rika> or harder to write than `name = name + 1` |
| 12:10:32 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> it isent just hmm wierd for my brain |
| 12:10:41 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> its easyer |
| 12:10:43 | FromDiscord | <Rika> inc means *inc*rement |
| 12:10:45 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> to write inc |
| 12:10:52 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> just am not used to it |
| 12:11:01 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> in my brain it still feals wrong |
| 12:11:07 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i am resisting xD |
| 12:11:15 | FromDiscord | <Rika> y tho 🤔 |
| 12:11:27 | FromDiscord | <Rika> why not just try to get used to it |
| 12:11:28 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> whats opostit anywah dec |
| 12:11:39 | FromDiscord | <Rika> dec yes |
| 12:11:52 | FromDiscord | <Rika> you can think of inc as increase instead and it still kinda works |
| 12:12:03 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> probably cuz i stubborn ashol |
| 12:12:10 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> duno time will tell |
| 12:12:27 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> meybe i get bored, especial when having longer name vars |
| 12:24:33 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> lol @narimiran the variable police |
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| 12:36:46 | kcvinu | How can i easily update nim ? |
| 12:36:56 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> choosenim |
| 12:37:07 | kcvinu | Thanks, let me try |
| 12:37:30 | narimiran | @mratsim you would be too if you had to go through such a codebase |
| 12:37:50 | FromDiscord | <Rika> thats very very true |
| 12:38:14 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=22aI can anyone elaborate on this? |
| 12:38:17 | narimiran | but you can try it for once, write YourVariables LikeThat and your_types likeThis |
| 12:38:34 | narimiran | why not throw in some misleading hungarian notation too? |
| 12:39:30 | narimiran | var NotStringConst = 7 |
| 12:39:37 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i canat use for loop in async if passing a var as argument? |
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| 12:41:57 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> yep if i run whout async it shoots no error |
| 12:42:01 | FromDiscord | <Rika> basically dont use a var in an async |
| 12:42:04 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I'm trying to compile with `nim cpp` and I've tried `-cc:gcc` as well as using apple clang |
| 12:42:05 | leorize | sounds like a bug |
| 12:42:09 | narimiran | btw, what's with the "hard to write" stuff happening recently here?? |
| 12:42:11 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I keep running into - `error: invalid argument '-std=c++14' not allowed with 'C'` |
| 12:42:22 | FromDiscord | <Rika> what's hard to write? |
| 12:42:49 | narimiran | today it was that "inc" is hard to write, the other day guy wanted to change strformat module for everybody because for him writing `&` was hard |
| 12:43:02 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ah that |
| 12:43:08 | FromDiscord | <Rika> different language stuff perhaps |
| 12:43:15 | FromDiscord | <Rika> inc might not make sense to a bilingual |
| 12:44:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> for ampersand |
| 12:44:15 | narimiran | well, in my (and @kodkuce's) language `inc` would be, `pov` and `dec` would be `smanj`. what kind of an argument is that? |
| 12:44:16 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i dont know, its not something i think makes sense |
| 12:44:54 | FromDiscord | <Rika> prolly kodkuce doesnt know english well enough for inc to snap in his mind well enough |
| 12:45:02 | kcvinu | nimble install choosenim shows an error "Package not found" |
| 12:45:11 | narimiran | but no problem with `for`, `while`, `proc`, etc.? |
| 12:45:43 | FromDiscord | <Rika> for and while are more commonly used words, proc is idk |
| 12:45:50 | narimiran | kcvinu: how did you install nim in the first place? use that method for updating too |
| 12:45:53 | FromDiscord | <Rika> im just guessing here |
| 12:46:08 | Araq | write more assembler code then 'inc' is natural |
| 12:47:01 | narimiran | i had a similar problem with `shl` and `shr` in the beginning, because i was used to << and >>. but at some point you accept what a language gives you and you try to write idiomatic code |
| 12:47:04 | kcvinu | narimiran[m], In that case, what about my installed packages ? Do i need to re-install them ? |
| 12:47:32 | narimiran | kcvinu: i don't know about your setup |
| 12:47:50 | kcvinu | Okay, thanks for the info |
| 12:47:59 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> I kinda hate shl/shr because I get left and right mixed up |
| 12:48:11 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> is `nim cpp` not working because I'm missing some library / package? I thought I'd used the cpp backend on this machine before but maybe not |
| 12:48:12 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> So they're objectively harder for me to use |
| 12:48:21 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i didnet say it was hard just my brain is not used to it |
| 12:48:59 | narimiran | @excelotl i guess the same happens for << and >>? |
| 12:49:19 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> No, because I can see what direction that is pointing |
| 12:49:31 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> Don't need to associate the words |
| 12:50:00 | Araq | for me it's the opposite, the direction has no meaning for me |
| 12:50:05 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> one thing i dont get is why when initilising object i use : isnte = for stuff, var blabla = Book(pages:55, title:"nice") why its not Book(pages=55, title="nice") |
| 12:50:14 | Araq | so I confuse << and >> quite a bit |
| 12:50:25 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> That's so strange haha |
| 12:50:47 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> Funny how people think in different ways |
| 12:51:16 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> when i was in army when the told me to turn left or right i just gess 50 50 , leater i figure out i just w8 for somone to start turning and fallow up |
| 12:51:19 | FromDiscord | <Rika> personally shl shr << and >> all confuse me |
| 12:51:23 | FromDiscord | <Rika> what order are the bits in |
| 12:51:39 | FromDiscord | <Rika> aka im big dum dum |
| 12:53:34 | narimiran | @Rika at least `&` is not hard for you to write :P |
| 12:54:37 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ahahaha |
| 12:55:03 | FromDiscord | <Rika> it makes a bit of sense why it doesnt connect with string interpolation thouhg |
| 12:55:09 | FromDiscord | <Rika> fmt is good |
| 12:55:18 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i dont see the connection of & and string formatting |
| 12:55:53 | PMunch | Hmm, I tried to compile my dynamic library for Windows. It appears to run fine when I only run it with a single thread. But with multi-threading I get a SEGFAULT from nimFrame at excpt.nim:464 |
| 12:56:05 | Araq | sh*l* --> mu*l*, sh*r* --> di*v* |
| 12:56:09 | Araq | works |
| 12:56:25 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> okay my issue appears to be because I'm compiling a C source file as well as a C++ source file? why is that an issue? |
| 12:56:34 | narimiran | sh(i)t, sh(a)r(t) |
| 12:56:55 | narimiran | (i don't know the alphabet, nice.) |
| 12:57:26 | kcvinu | narimiran[m], Thanks. I re-installed nim and everything works perfectly. |
| 12:57:37 | narimiran | kcvinu: nice to hear! |
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| 12:58:55 | lqdev[m] | @Rika the rightmost bit is the least significant bit (which denotes ones) and the leftmost bit is the most significant bit. shl shifts all bits by one towards the leftmost bit, and discards the current leftmost bit, and a similar thing happens with shr |
| 13:02:43 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> can you push / pop passC/L pragmas ? |
| 13:02:56 | leorize | no |
| 13:03:18 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> well, that sucks |
| 13:03:35 | leorize | why? |
| 13:03:46 | Zevv | zacharycarter: how do you expect that to work? You can't link a part of your code with different options? |
| 13:04:03 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> err I guess it's more of the passC pragmas I'm concerned with |
| 13:04:18 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I have some C and C++ code in my project which I'm compiling using `compile` pragmas |
| 13:04:40 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> when I run `nim cpp` to compile the code, it's invoking clang not clang++ for the C source for some reason |
| 13:04:49 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> and then I run into an error: `error: invalid argument '-std=c++11' not allowed with 'C'` |
| 13:05:00 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> which I'm setting in a `passC` pragma before compiling the C++ source |
| 13:05:08 | leorize | it was invoking clang++ for C source :p |
| 13:05:16 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I don't know |
| 13:05:28 | leorize | only clang++ understands -std=c++11 |
| 13:05:49 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> yeah but I don't think it's getting to the C++ code |
| 13:05:52 | leorize | what the error means is that the param is invalid while compiling C code |
| 13:06:00 | Zevv | so actually nim should take a --passCXX flag here |
| 13:06:01 | leorize | anyhow, here's a walkaround: |
| 13:06:05 | Zevv | which it only passes to c++ compilers |
| 13:06:39 | leorize | creates dummy modules with {.compiles.} for C sources and C++ sources |
| 13:06:47 | leorize | then import them to the main module |
| 13:07:26 | leorize | now you can tweak the compile options for each sets of C/C++ sources |
| 13:10:03 | FromGitter | <alehander92> but if you can pass passC to one function |
| 13:10:09 | FromGitter | <alehander92> you should be able to pass it to many |
| 13:10:17 | FromGitter | <alehander92> its a purely syntactic problem |
| 13:10:28 | FromGitter | <alehander92> if i understand it correctly |
| 13:11:01 | FromGitter | <alehander92> if its not about function pragmas, sorry |
| 13:13:22 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Araq, lqdev, thanks that makes sense |
| 13:13:57 | PMunch | Aha, apparently it was because windows has --tlsEmulation:on by default, which means setupForeignThreadGC didn't get called |
| 13:14:15 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> leorize: hmm I'm not sure if I'm doing what you suggested correctly or not... I now have a module that only has {.compile.} pragmas in it for the sources I want to compile. Then, in the module I import this into, I add the {.passC.} pragmas I want to compile that source with |
| 13:14:21 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> is that correct? |
| 13:15:25 | leorize | no, the {.passC.} stay in the dummy module |
| 13:15:59 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ah okay |
| 13:20:34 | PMunch | Hmm, execProcess doesn't quite seem to work |
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| 13:22:54 | clyybber | Araq: Hi, can you explain why destroying expression constructors is necessary? |
| 13:23:14 | Araq | because they take over ownership |
| 13:24:00 | clyybber | Ah, hmm. I guess it makes sense. But they don't get destroyed when they are moved or sinked right afterwards right? |
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| 13:24:34 | Araq | right |
| 13:24:49 | Araq | ideally. |
| 13:25:10 | Araq | in practice there must be a reason for async crashing and burning so something is still off |
| 13:25:30 | clyybber | And why do we need to pArg(arg[0]) in some cases? I thought the first child of a nkCallKind is just the type of the proc? |
| 13:25:33 | PMunch | Oh never mind.. |
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| 13:31:38 | clyybber | Araq: Ping, in case you didn't read my question above |
| 13:32:06 | Araq | the callee can be a nkClosure that needs destruction |
| 13:32:17 | Araq | closures are hard :P |
| 13:32:41 | clyybber | Ah, and the consume argument tells p wether we move or sink it right afterwards? |
| 13:33:49 | Araq | yeah, but at this point 'p' and 'pArg' should be the same proc as I told you weeks ago :P |
| 13:41:34 | clyybber | Hmm, yeah |
| 13:44:43 | clyybber | Araq: I think we should maybe start employing a branch based destructors approach. So destroys would be a tree of the various code paths and instead of having a consume parameter for p we just try to remove a destroy from the current branch whenever we move/sink/consume the respective object. |
| 13:46:21 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> how to conwert binary to utf ? |
| 13:46:52 | clyybber | with binary you mean string? |
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| 13:47:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> yep a text conveted to binary shooted to me on reciving end that i got as binary and want to convert it back to utf |
| 13:48:17 | clyybber | wdym back? everything is "binary". Its just a matter of interpreting. So if you want all the UTF8 chars use the runes iterator |
| 13:51:00 | FromDiscord | <ZeeQyu> Perhaps @kodkuce is using the python 3 notion of binary as in a bytes object? |
| 13:51:09 | FromDiscord | <ZeeQyu> As opposed to a str |
| 13:51:23 | FromDiscord | <ZeeQyu> Between which you often have to encode/decode |
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| 13:51:51 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm atm form what i see godot sends data as banary, meybe i can ask around or dig deeper in its websocketclient.cpp to set opcode to send string insted, but anyway it sends stuff as biinary, and i am making backend in Nim so i nead to read it as text |
| 13:53:03 | narimiran | leorize: one more ocaml-thingy that would be great to have in Nim — :MerlinRename — it renames the variable in its scope (so, not in the whole file, just where it is needed) |
| 13:53:03 | clyybber | kodkuce: But a string is binary? |
| 13:53:52 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> @[72, 101, 108, 108, 111] , so this is Hello , need to cast them to chars ? |
| 13:54:12 | clyybber | Is it a seq of bytes or int8 or something bigger? |
| 13:54:50 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm from here https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/ascii-hex-bin-dec-converter.html |
| 13:54:59 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> its not binary its decimal |
| 13:55:07 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or at least thats how nim echos it |
| 13:55:18 | clyybber | kodkuce: Yeah, but thats not how its stored |
| 13:55:45 | clyybber | What type does it have in your Nim code right now? |
| 13:55:54 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> can check |
| 13:56:51 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> seq byte |
| 13:57:00 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> so i need byte to utf |
| 13:57:37 | clyybber | Cast it to a string |
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| 14:01:50 | clyybber | Araq: Why is that consume param needed in the first place? Is it just an optimization? |
| 14:01:51 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm , echo (char)packet[0] works but echo (string)packet.join does not |
| 14:02:28 | clyybber | cast not convert |
| 14:02:33 | Araq | clyybber: it's needed because pArg and p are different but should be the same thing |
| 14:02:35 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> is there a 1 liner to cast all byts to char and join to string |
| 14:02:41 | Araq | I was too lazy to refactor it properly |
| 14:03:02 | clyybber | kodkuce: You don't need to. |
| 14:03:08 | clyybber | Just cast the whole thing to a string |
| 14:04:28 | clyybber | Araq: I mean if we call it with consume = true, it should be the same as calling it normally and just generating a wasMoved afterwards? |
| 14:04:41 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i tryed but got nummber again |
| 14:04:54 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or meybe i dont need join first |
| 14:04:56 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> will try |
| 14:05:07 | clyybber | Araq: Did you introduce it because we can't gen a wasMoved on a expresion constructor? |
| 14:07:11 | clyybber | kodkuce: Remember that types are a compile time construct and that everything is binary. What changes when you cast the seq[byte] to string is the echo call. Instead of interpreting it as a number it will interpret it as a UTF8 string. |
| 14:15:01 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm am trying to do it in nim playgradoun but duno how to create a seq of bytes |
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| 14:17:22 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> clyybber: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=22bX hmm duno how to fill example but anyway this is what i get when i try just casting, only thing that works is forloping and casting evry int to char and creating new string thats probbaly a retarded way to go |
| 14:18:27 | clyybber | Make the first element of the seq "84'u8" |
| 14:18:33 | clyybber | Because a byte is 8 bits |
| 14:18:48 | clyybber | And thus the same as a uint8 |
| 14:19:13 | clyybber | and appending 'u8 to a number is saying "this is a uint8 literal" |
| 14:19:21 | zedeus | kodkuce: to cast, do `cast[string](input)` |
| 14:20:04 | clyybber | kodkuce: This is your example but correct: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=22c0 |
| 14:21:43 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> zedeus: that works ty for spoon, now i go with clyybber for knowledge 🙂 |
| 14:24:30 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> ok so i think i get it now when i joined it i got a number then it coudnet cast it per letter, and just duno why echo (string)input shoots error how its diferent then cast[string](input) |
| 14:25:00 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> and i dident know that byts were writed like that |
| 14:25:58 | FromDiscord | <Rika> because thats not how nim's syntax works? |
| 14:26:47 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> it works for int to char |
| 14:27:23 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i can do echo char(someint) or at least i think |
| 14:27:42 | narimiran | :) |
| 14:28:26 | clyybber | kodkuce: Thats because (string)input is saying: string(input) , meaning you are converting input to string |
| 14:28:32 | clyybber | Which in nim is different to casting |
| 14:29:03 | clyybber | Converting can change the underlying binary |
| 14:29:10 | clyybber | While casting will just change the type |
| 14:29:44 | FromDiscord | <Rika> oh wow (string)input is valid? |
| 14:29:55 | FromDiscord | <Rika> it kinda makes sense |
| 14:29:57 | FromDiscord | <Rika> but it also doesnt |
| 14:30:02 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> its not |
| 14:30:04 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i think |
| 14:30:12 | FromDiscord | <Rika> its "valid" in terms of syntax |
| 14:30:19 | FromDiscord | <Rika> not in the context you have |
| 14:30:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> but syntactically it is |
| 14:30:29 | FromDiscord | <Rika> is what i mean |
| 14:31:10 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm it shoots error if you try (string)'a' |
| 14:31:23 | narimiran | you can do `var a = (uint)32` |
| 14:31:57 | narimiran | but even if you can it doesn't mean you should |
| 14:32:06 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> (int)'z' works, but anyway just to be sure for now on will use cast proc |
| 14:32:11 | narimiran | (see above under "confusing your readers with Uppercase Variables) |
| 14:33:06 | clyybber | kodkuce: No no no, don't use cast for everything. Think about the problem at hand and then decide. (In this particular case the cast is appropriate. |
| 14:33:26 | FromDiscord | <Rika> WHAT_doYou_mean_about_ConfusingReaders |
| 14:34:03 | clyybber | kodkuce: Conversion: `int(z)` or `z.int` (or even `(int)z`) Cast: `cast[int](z)` |
| 14:34:14 | lqdev[m] | also, don't use (SomeType)someValue, Nim is not C |
| 14:34:20 | Yardanico | @Rika w_H_a_T also works |
| 14:34:29 | Yardanico | same as what :P |
| 14:35:06 | FromGitter | <zetashift> what monster would write it like that |
| 14:35:19 | Yardanico | :D |
| 14:35:19 | narimiran | lqdev[m]: that's what i was trying to say. use what clyybber is showing in first two examples |
| 14:35:38 | narimiran | heeey Yardanico!! |
| 14:35:40 | lqdev[m] | agreed |
| 14:35:46 | Yardanico | narimiran: hello, i'm always there btw :P |
| 14:35:55 | Yardanico | I always have quassel opened on my second monitor |
| 14:35:58 | narimiran | Yardanico: why are you so quiet then? |
| 14:36:05 | Yardanico | i don't really know |
| 14:36:25 | narimiran | i remember you being quite active and helpful when i was starting with nim |
| 14:36:47 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm conversion is when you literately want to transform from one type to other and casting is when you just want to read the value as diferent, or not i think i dont get whats difference between casting and conversion |
| 14:36:54 | narimiran | Yardanico: don't you see all these new guys waiting for your help? :) |
| 14:36:59 | Yardanico | :D |
| 14:37:29 | FromDiscord | <Rika> conversion changes bits, casting does not (from what i infer, im prolly almost completely wrong though) |
| 14:37:44 | FromDiscord | <Rika> maybe i got it flipped too |
| 14:37:46 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i cant tell |
| 14:37:50 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> 🙂 |
| 14:37:58 | clyybber | Rika: It is right in general, but conversion doesn't have to change bits |
| 14:38:19 | lqdev[m] | @Rika it's the opposite |
| 14:38:27 | FromDiscord | <Rika> so what is it |
| 14:38:30 | FromDiscord | <Rika> who is right here |
| 14:38:34 | clyybber | lqdev[m]: No |
| 14:38:38 | clyybber | I am right :p |
| 14:38:50 | FromDiscord | <Rika> impending war? |
| 14:38:52 | lqdev[m] | conversion can do some specialized actions to convert one type to another, `cast` literally interprets bytes as a different type |
| 14:39:00 | clyybber | Thats what Rika said |
| 14:39:24 | lqdev[m] | re-read their message |
| 14:39:29 | FromDiscord | <Rika> conversion -> changes bits, does special stuff as you said |
| 14:39:29 | FromDiscord | <Rika> cast -> doesnt change bits, literal interpretation of bytes as you said |
| 14:39:40 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ??? |
| 14:39:44 | clyybber | Of course nothing actually changes bits as we return the new value. |
| 14:39:48 | lqdev[m] | oh, in that sense |
| 14:39:50 | FromDiscord | <Rika> im hella confused |
| 14:39:51 | clyybber | But Rika meant the right thing |
| 14:39:52 | lqdev[m] | I just misinterpreted |
| 14:39:55 | clyybber | Ok |
| 14:40:04 | FromDiscord | <Rika> how did you interpret my message? i wonder |
| 14:40:10 | lqdev[m] | type conversions are confusing. |
| 14:40:13 | clyybber | Also cast can truncate if you want to get a bit more confused :) |
| 14:40:22 | narimiran | we need a third opinion, to increase the confusion! :D |
| 14:40:22 | FromDiscord | <Rika> thought conversions are too |
| 14:40:34 | narimiran | nice, clyybber :D |
| 14:40:47 | FromDiscord | <Rika> pr to make `transmute` proc |
| 14:40:52 | narimiran | everything changes bits!!! |
| 14:40:58 | lqdev[m] | narimiran: we need 5 or more options, we need more C++ madness |
| 14:41:31 | clyybber | Inplace cast, not really needed since gcc will optimize it anyway, but hey, if you ask for confuse I give you confuse |
| 14:41:57 | lqdev[m] | and make their semantics completely unobvious to lead to even more confusion |
| 14:41:58 | narimiran | i don't understand what is so confusing. things are quite simple. conversion changes bits except when it doesn't; casting doesn't change bits except when it does. there. |
| 14:43:38 | FromDiscord | <Rika> conversions do what it wants unless it doesnt, casting doesnt do shit unless it does |
| 14:43:38 | FromGitter | <alehander92> why does cast change bits |
| 14:43:40 | FromDiscord | <Rika> 😛 |
| 14:43:42 | FromGitter | <alehander92> ahh it can truncate |
| 14:44:18 | FromGitter | <alehander92> you can say that i guess |
| 14:44:44 | narimiran | @alehander92 see above, we're trying to be as confusing as possible :D |
| 14:45:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> conversions convert unless it casts, casts cast unless it converts |
| 14:46:36 | Yardanico | i'm sorry but r/DecreasinglyVerbose |
| 14:46:54 | clyybber | r/DecringVerbo ? |
| 14:47:15 | clyybber | |
| 14:47:24 | Yardanico | -r/DecringVerbo |
| 14:47:47 | clyybber | r/DingVose |
| 14:48:38 | FromDiscord | <Rika> r/decvbs |
| 14:50:24 | FromGitter | <alehander92> dcvbs |
| 14:50:28 | FromGitter | <alehander92> how can you use vowels |
| 14:50:51 | FromGitter | <alehander92> kp th unx trdtn |
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| 14:53:56 | PMunch | Hmm, is there a way for Nim to specify a const * when importing from C? |
| 14:54:35 | PMunch | I get this: http://ix.io/22cb |
| 14:55:01 | PMunch | When trying to use {.compile: "thefile".} and then add a proc with a cimport |
| 14:55:54 | PMunch | I've tried to add it with nodecl as well, but then I just get an error that it isn't defined.. |
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| 14:59:55 | PMunch | What's weird is that in the call that fails with "undefined reference to `inet_ntop`" I can see that it has /home/peter/.cache/nim/client_d/inet_ntop.c.o in the list.. |
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| 15:00:11 | narimiran | @alhndr92 i cn ndrstnd wht y jst sd |
| 15:01:26 | PMunch | Ah.. "nm -a /home/peter/.cache/nim/client_d/inet_ntop.c.o" shows that the symbol is in fact not there.. |
| 15:02:00 | FromDiscord | <Rika> i cnnt. cn smn gd m n wht thy sd? |
| 15:02:36 | PMunch | Ah, it was a compile flag that's messing it up.. |
| 15:03:00 | PMunch | HAVE_INET_NTOP is apparently true.. |
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| 15:08:23 | leorize | narimiran: you got :NimReferences, just change the usage one-by-one :P |
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| 15:11:03 | narimiran | leorize: oh, nice, i didn't know about that one |
| 15:11:11 | kcvinu | In windows, finish.exe is dissappearing after installation, without a success message. |
| 15:11:29 | narimiran | kcvinu: antivirus? |
| 15:11:50 | kcvinu | Its quite good if the program says a "Successfully installed version xxxx" |
| 15:12:19 | kcvinu | narimiran[m], I am not sure about that |
| 15:12:31 | narimiran | ah, you just mean nothing is printed upon finishing? |
| 15:12:39 | kcvinu | Yes |
| 15:12:50 | kcvinu | cmd window just vanished |
| 15:12:52 | narimiran | (btw, i'm not getting highlighted if you use narimiran[m], use narimiran instead) |
| 15:12:58 | kcvinu | no messages |
| 15:13:09 | kcvinu | Oh, i see |
| 15:13:12 | leorize | narimiran: maybe you should logout from matrix if you don't use it |
| 15:13:45 | narimiran | leorize: then i won't know anymore how to log back in :D |
| 15:14:08 | leorize | just join the room again :P |
| 15:14:23 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> Antivirus, I'm happy I don't haave to deal with that |
| 15:14:37 | FromDiscord | <mratsim> it slows down compilation so much |
| 15:15:37 | narimiran | leorize: there you go, i just signed out from riot.im, hopefully that fixes things |
| 15:16:03 | narimiran | nah, narimiran[m] is still here |
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| 15:16:49 | kcvinu | narimiran, yes. the [m] is still there |
| 15:17:15 | leorize | narimiran: send `!quit` to @appservice-irc:matrix.org |
| 15:17:58 | kcvinu | Does "{.global.} pragma makes a function a static function ? |
| 15:18:17 | leorize | it doesn't do anything on functions |
| 15:18:29 | kcvinu | Oh, isee |
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| 15:20:59 | kcvinu | Then how do you create static functions in a type ? |
| 15:21:40 | leorize | nim doesn't assign functions to type |
| 15:22:54 | kcvinu | I mean nim's fake type functions, what ever it is |
| 15:23:18 | leorize | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:24:04 | kcvinu | Trying to write a proc which is shared by all the instance of a type |
| 15:24:29 | leorize | uhmmm why would you need something like that? |
| 15:24:46 | leorize | and procs in Nim are "static" in OOP sense by default |
| 15:24:48 | kcvinu | Just to convert my existing vb.net code |
| 15:25:31 | kcvinu | So you mean, a normal proc is enough for me, right ? |
| 15:25:37 | leorize | yea |
| 15:25:54 | kcvinu | Thanks for the answer. Let me try :) |
| 15:26:24 | kcvinu | Then i am assuming, that a global varibale will be a static variable |
| 15:27:02 | kcvinu | A local variable with {.global.} pragma behaves like a static variable |
| 15:27:41 | leorize | you got it :) |
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| 15:38:26 | leorize | narimiran: I believe this is what you want? https://asciinema.org/a/JbWzkxkwCUjHlaxHle76SrP74 |
| 15:38:39 | leorize | oops got a typo |
| 15:38:54 | narimiran | no, i don't want non-existing pages, why would you think that?? |
| 15:38:55 | leorize | https://asciinema.org/a/JbWzKxkwCUjHlaxHle76SrP74 |
| 15:39:32 | leorize | narimiran: ^ |
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| 15:39:40 | narimiran | i know i know :) |
| 15:40:18 | narimiran | yeah, that's it, merlin shows it at the bottom, but this way it is even nicer - you don't have to move your eyes from the line you're looking at |
| 15:41:10 | leorize | yep, except that I found a compiler bug on the way |
| 15:42:15 | narimiran | you know the rule: you find it, you fix it :P :D |
| 15:43:19 | FromDiscord | <Rika> sounds like a brutal rule |
| 15:44:31 | leorize | it's because I'm the only one actively working on nimsuggest :P |
| 15:45:24 | narimiran | @Rika leorize is a brutal man! didn't you see how fast he grants our wishes regarding nim.nvim? |
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| 16:19:23 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> is there any way to find out how long the GC is taking to collect? |
| 16:22:05 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I have some hiccups in my game when scrolling around a map and I'm trying to figure out if they're due to GC stress |
| 16:27:06 | Yardanico | what about profiling your application? you'll see if the GC collection takes too much time |
| 16:27:37 | Yardanico | I know that mratsim used XCode's profiler (afaik) on macOS, there's also `prof` on Linux |
| 16:28:42 | clyybber | zacharycarter: https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#GC_getStatistics |
| 16:29:07 | clyybber | max pause time seems to be what you are looking for |
| 16:29:21 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> thanks |
| 16:30:51 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> weird - I'm just doing some basic benchmarking and it seems to be caused by polling sdl2 |
| 16:34:23 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> someone else was having issues with hiccups and sdl2 (nimgame2) I think recently |
| 16:38:06 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> maybe has to do with - https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/rev/9091b20040cf |
| 16:41:46 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> yup! that was it! rolling back to 2.0.8 fixed the issue |
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| 16:49:29 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> https://imgur.com/8AVbeY4 |
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| 16:51:24 | UxerUospr | @zacharycarter: Cool! Looks neat so far |
| 16:52:07 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> thanks |
| 16:54:13 | sealmove | zacharycarter hey! It's very early but because I think you might be interested, check https://github.com/sealmove/nimitai |
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| 16:54:45 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> hey sealmove! cool :D will check it out |
| 16:54:46 | sealmove | With this you will be able to open any file without a parser! |
| 16:55:19 | sealmove | (the parser will be created at CT just by pointing to a yaml description file) |
| 16:56:09 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> what you making civ6? |
| 16:57:45 | sealmove | zacharycarter: npeg read yaml and produces a proc at CT that parses the relevant file format and returns you an object with its structured information |
| 16:58:16 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> kodkuce: no, an rts game |
| 16:58:21 | Zevv | *assuming* you can get npeg to parse yaml, and do that at compile time :) |
| 16:58:46 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i was thinking to make game like Generals Zero Hour |
| 16:58:59 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> but first need to finish atm work |
| 16:59:39 | sealmove | Zevv: after looking into it I realized ksy is a restrictive subset of yaml, so it's not that hard |
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| 17:02:01 | Zevv | ah ok, thats not according to the spec, which says it should parse any yaml |
| 17:02:31 | sealmove | it is, it says "every ksy is a valid yaml", this implies subset. |
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| 17:02:48 | sealmove | it says "ksy should be parsable with a generic yaml lib" |
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| 17:03:30 | federico3 | madprops: I've updated nimble.directory to Nim 1.0.2 |
| 17:03:44 | federico3 | also, 1.0.2 is backported to Debian Buster |
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| 17:06:44 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> (https://files.gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim/ONla/image.png) |
| 17:06:45 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> need to work on tile blending now |
| 17:11:13 | Zevv | sealmove: ah ok, true that |
| 17:17:47 | clyybber | nice zacharycarter! |
| 17:26:08 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> beh now i have to hack half of my code cuz i used async with var |
| 17:26:50 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> zacharycarter: stronghold xD |
| 17:36:35 | livcd | zacharycarter: where do you work now ? |
| 17:40:55 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> livcd: Frogmind |
| 17:41:44 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> clyybber: thanks! |
| 17:41:59 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> kodkuce: yeah, strongold is cool :D |
| 17:42:01 | livcd | it looks nice indeed |
| 17:42:42 | lqdev[m] | I have a bit of a problem with Wren. I'm doing things as per the tutorial http://wren.io/embedding/calling-wren-from-c.html, but for some reason I get an error "Null does not implement 'run()'." here's my code: https://github.com/liquid600pgm/euwren/blob/master/tests/tvariables.nim |
| 17:42:55 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> thanks! |
| 17:43:03 | lqdev[m] | maybe someone can spot the issue? I've been staring at this for hours and can't see the source |
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| 17:56:21 | donpdonp | lqdev[m]: just wanted to say it neat you're imbedding a lang in your app. ive heard of wren never used it. i have embedded jq in my app for its java-processing-langauge and its fun |
| 17:57:07 | donpdonp | s/java/json/ |
| 17:57:28 | sealmove | filled-in README.md describing the vision: https://github.com/sealmove/nimitai |
| 17:57:43 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> would be hard to make nim not to have to forward declare? |
| 17:58:10 | clyybber | kodkuce: Add {.experimanetal: "codeReordering".} at the top of your file |
| 17:58:30 | clyybber | and correct my typo :p |
| 17:58:48 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> now cuz i cant use async with var i have to mix global var and proces ruined my order |
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| 18:00:45 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> that helped 🙂 |
| 18:07:50 | leorize | can't use async with var? |
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| 18:15:06 | FromGitter | <mratsim> isn't it reorder: on ? |
| 18:15:11 | FromGitter | <mratsim> what's codeReordering |
| 18:18:46 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> leorize: in proc i cant put var to pass by ref, so no proc someasync(thingy: var someobj) |
| 18:19:34 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> mratsim: duno i put like he told and it worked |
| 18:19:49 | clyybber | mratsim: Sadly it isn't anymore |
| 18:19:54 | clyybber | It was made experimental |
| 18:19:54 | leorize | @mratsim: it was moved into an experimental feature |
| 18:20:24 | FromGitter | <mratsim> My question was more, do we have 2 pragma for the same thing? |
| 18:20:29 | clyybber | no |
| 18:20:36 | clyybber | reorder: on doesnt work anymore |
| 18:20:57 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> expression 'read(future_611885)' is of type 'string' and has to be discarded |
| 18:21:21 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> proc player_sit(who:Player, wanted_slot:int, points:int):Future[string]{.async.}= |
| 18:21:38 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> did i write it wrong its Future[T] form what i read |
| 18:22:23 | clyybber | pls look at the error. You are doing something wrong at the callsite |
| 18:23:01 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> await player_sit(playerConnections[taken_connection_slot], izjsona["place"].getInt, izjsona["points"].getInt) |
| 18:23:11 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i am awiaiting it |
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| 18:23:44 | clyybber | Hmm, no idea then, sorry |
| 18:24:30 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> this async stuff loves to troll me |
| 18:24:45 | clyybber | kodkuce: Umm |
| 18:24:49 | clyybber | You have to assign |
| 18:24:51 | clyybber | the await |
| 18:25:02 | clyybber | You have to somehow use it |
| 18:25:13 | clyybber | like `discard await player_sit |
| 18:25:29 | clyybber | or `let s = await player_sit` |
| 18:26:00 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> lol |
| 18:26:06 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> ye duno how i missed that |
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| 18:58:32 | Araq | any physics students around? |
| 18:58:51 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i do pushups xD |
| 19:01:32 | narimiran | Araq: @Vindaar maybe? |
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| 19:11:07 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Hey guys, please forgive my incompetence if the is really simple or coved in the docs already: I am trying to understand if its possible to have a list/array/seq of static strings and iterate through them with a for loop at compile time? It seems no matter what a wrap in `static` when creating the seq/array, the item extracted from my list is always a non-static string. |
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| 19:12:18 | ehmry | cloudcalvin have you tried `const`? |
| 19:13:50 | ehmry | i think the recommendation is to place the iteration in a proc, and then use that proc to produce a const value |
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| 19:56:13 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> I have tried const. To give some context I am trying to write a `nimteropt` script for something, and so everying is defined as const |
| 19:56:59 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> I am basing it on the template(https://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/blob/master/nimterop/template.nim) |
| 20:06:52 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> trying to get the as the end result: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ where `pkgs` are meant to be static strings. But the compiler keeps telling me pkg is a string, not a static string. [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5dd2f9dce75b2d5a19f7da65] |
| 20:09:25 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> I define pkgs as `const pkgs = @["I", "assume", "these", "are", "static"]` |
| 20:10:56 | FromGitter | <genotrance> cCompile is a macro |
| 20:11:10 | FromGitter | <genotrance> you have to pass it strings that are known at compile time |
| 20:11:26 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> yeah but thats why pkgs are const? |
| 20:12:16 | FromGitter | <genotrance> please share a snippet |
| 20:16:03 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5dd2fc03eeb63e1a83d8f9ae] |
| 20:16:41 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> as mentioned, its based on the template I linked |
| 20:17:38 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> I have tried different variations using sets and lists for `pkgs`: |
| 20:17:51 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Such as: const pkgs = static([static("db"), static("gsi"), static("tl"), static("rdb")]) |
| 20:18:18 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> I assume the issue lies with the for loop |
| 20:18:37 | FromGitter | <genotrance> ya the static string gets demoted to a string, not sure how to solve this |
| 20:19:31 | FromGitter | <genotrance> perhaps Araq has some advice - macro expects a static string but for loop converts a static seq string into a string |
| 20:19:59 | FromGitter | <genotrance> just have to call cCompile manually for each item for now |
| 20:20:47 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Yeah I'v been looking for a `when`-like equivalent for `for` to no avail. |
| 20:21:20 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Yeah, I am doing it manually for now; thanks for your input. |
| 20:21:40 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Just not what I want in the long run |
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| 20:32:53 | FromGitter | <genotrance> ya will be great if you can open an issue with a simple example |
| 20:32:56 | FromGitter | <genotrance> instead of nimterop |
| 20:33:07 | FromGitter | <genotrance> it just needs a macro that accepts a static[seq[string]] |
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| 20:34:41 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Sorry; are you saying I should create the issue on the nimteropt issue board? |
| 20:35:19 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> If, so, cool I will try to write the solution myself and add it to the issue |
| 20:35:57 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Or make a macro that does what I want `for` to do. |
| 20:36:55 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Again, thanks for the assistance |
| 20:40:28 | FromGitter | <genotrance> no it is a nim issue |
| 20:41:15 | FromGitter | <zaphodef> hi there! shouldn't the type for arg `x` of math proc `frexp` be `float32 | float64` in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-0/lib/pure/math.nim#L853 ? |
| 20:43:00 | FromGitter | <genotrance> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=22dE |
| 20:43:55 | FromGitter | <genotrance> @cloudcalvin ^^ |
| 21:05:55 | FromGitter | <cloudcalvin> Thanks for the clarification @genotrance, see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/12679 |
| 21:05:57 | disbot | ^ Static strings get demoted to string when used in a for loop |
| 21:05:57 | disbot | ^ snippet at https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=22dO 😏 |
| 21:09:12 | FromGitter | <TensorTom> @s0kil compiling Jester with `--threads:on` produces: `jester.nim(1286, 7) Error: 'match' is not GC-safe as it accesses 'auth' which is a global using GC'ed memory` |
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| 21:13:29 | FromGitter | <s0kil> This has to do with the auth |
| 21:13:36 | FromGitter | <s0kil> 'auth' which is a global using GC'ed memory |
| 21:26:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> sOkil: form what i know if you using threads:on you need to use .varthread. |
| 21:26:50 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> or .threadvar. xD |
| 21:28:22 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/5528 |
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| 21:32:45 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm does recrusivnes grow memory? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=22dS |
| 21:34:30 | federico3 | https://lobste.rs/s/ikukut/danger_simplicity |
| 21:35:26 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> federico3: this for me? |
| 21:35:36 | federico3 | no, everybody |
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| 21:36:03 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> oh i thinked you answering my question 🙂 |
| 21:36:56 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i need to learn to write thought instead thinked, but dosent thinked sound better |
| 21:38:38 | madprops | is there something for the opposite of expandTilde? |
| 21:41:04 | madprops | is there a replace that will match cat in "catpok" but not "xcatpok" ? |
| 21:41:13 | madprops | i would use regex but im using getHomeDir |
| 21:41:20 | madprops | don't know how to build it yet |
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| 21:44:41 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> hmm insted recursive i should use while, async works with wile right |
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| 21:47:59 | madprops | how can i dynamically build a regex string using variables? |
| 21:48:10 | madprops | im looking for something similar to re"{someVariable}" |
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| 21:53:19 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> cant help i duno 😦 |
| 21:58:55 | FromDiscord | <madprops> ok got it |
| 21:58:59 | FromDiscord | <madprops> ```nim |
| 21:58:59 | FromDiscord | <madprops> proc smalldir*(path:string): string = |
| 21:59:00 | FromDiscord | <madprops> let str = re(&"^{getHomeDir()}") |
| 21:59:00 | FromDiscord | <madprops> path.replace(str, "~/") |
| 21:59:00 | FromDiscord | <madprops> ``` |
| 22:01:02 | donpdonp | var overlaps: seq[tuple[string, Offer]] whats the right way to declare that |
| 22:02:23 | donpdonp | nim says ':' or '=' expected, but got ']' |
| 22:03:17 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> I think you need to name the tuple fields |
| 22:03:30 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> var overlaps: seq[tuple[foo:string, bar:Offer]] |
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| 22:06:08 | donpdonp | exelotl: that did it thx |
| 22:06:32 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> np |
| 22:06:44 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> @madprops dont post formated code they will kill you |
| 22:07:18 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> i heard IRC gang has most psycho killers |
| 22:08:49 | madprops | lol ok |
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| 23:00:03 | madprops | oh cool, nim supports arm |
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| 23:06:12 | FromGitter | <Vindaar> @Araq @narimiran for once I was actually not lurking, haha. How can I be of service? ;) |
| 23:17:59 | FromDiscord | <kodkuce> araq is working on rope to moon so he can steal newruntime source from goblins dwelling there, but he needs you to compute the fluctuation of side forces |
| 23:21:33 | FromGitter | <Vindaar> Oh, that sounds like a fun and tough challenge.. Good thing it's not nazis from the "dark side of the moon" though :P |
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