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00:23:26	luka_	hi, is there a Nim equivalent of "new T(x)"? I found T.new(), but it doesn't accept arguments (I know I can write a proper constructor, but I'd like to avoid that)
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00:40:20	FromGitter	<Varriount> luka_: `var x = RefType(field: value)`
01:09:10	luka_	thanks! but what if the type is not a ref type?
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03:33:18	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> luka_ you can still do it with objects
03:35:08	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59e81d6b614889d475d1e901]
03:40:17	shashlick	https://nim-lang.org/docs/theindex.html <= where/how is that generated?
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04:35:53	FromGitter	<Varriount> shashlick: Generated at documentation generation time. I don't know where it is on the main website.
04:44:19	FromGitter	<Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/doc/lib.rst
04:44:35	FromGitter	<Yardanico> And nimble package list is loaded via JS file
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06:48:04	FromGitter	<mratsim> @luka_ the idiomatic way would be this: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59e84aa4210ac2692004b37d]
06:50:30	FromGitter	<mratsim> By using “result”, you make sure that there is no copy or move, f is directly constructed
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07:24:17	FromGitter	<mratsim> Let’s grab some beginner dev in the Nim community: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/77cp4b/what_was_the_first_language_you_went_allin_on/
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07:29:09	miran	mratsim - what about experienced devs on HN? arraymancer might be interesting to many of them
07:31:47	PMunch	mratsim, just left a comment for you :) Always like to help getting some hype around Nim
07:33:19	FromGitter	<mratsim> @miran The arraymancer HN topic was a flop, no reaction, though the reddit generated a lot of reaction
07:33:52	FromGitter	<mratsim> And this one was seen by a lot of people in the Rust community: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/76olo3/why_rust_fails_hard_at_scientific_computing/
07:34:08	PMunch	Posting things like this is always a bit of a hit or miss
07:34:33	PMunch	If it never goes above a certain threshold it just fizzles out
07:34:51	FromGitter	<mratsim> There will be lots of other opportunities when: ⏎ ⏎ 1) I add benchmarks with Google Tensorflow ⏎ 2) I compile to Javascript ⏎ 3) probably other stuff I don’t think about yet ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59e8559af7299e8f5306c8b4]
07:36:02	PMunch	I remember someone creating a Facebook service called thunderclap were a lot of people could queue up a like or comment so that when a site went live it would get a spike in popularity which would put it in a more prominent position to be noticed by even more people.
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07:36:19	PMunch	Oooh, arraymancer in JS, interesting
07:36:31	FromGitter	<mratsim> Also thankfully I’m in France, where all core devs of scikit-learn and scipy are (INRIA), and I’ve already talked to a couple people during an Artificial Intelligence conference at the beginning of the month: http://franceisai.com/conference/
07:36:45	PMunch	Not quite sure what that would be useful for (when would you do that instead of just compiling to C), but cool none the less
07:37:41	FromGitter	<mratsim> web services ? :p
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07:40:43	PMunch	Yeah but why would they be doing this kind of stuff?
07:41:33	miran	mratsim - are you talking about link to your blog? or have you tried posting link to github as 'show HN'?
07:44:07	miran	i remember link to your blog going unnoticed, but posting to 'show HN' might bring much more attention (less stuff is posted there and people are more interested in seeing original work)
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07:52:46	FromGitter	<mratsim> Didn't yet
07:53:35	FromGitter	<mratsim> @Pmunch it would be very useful to be able to have a photo tagging service in REST, upload the photos it returns what tags match
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07:54:12	FromGitter	<mratsim> And change deep learning models on the fly, and also for quick demos
07:54:56	PMunch	Yeah, I guess that's fair
07:55:00	FromGitter	<mratsim> I'm pretty sure there are plenty of use case I'm not aware of
07:55:05	PMunch	Probably :P
07:55:40	PMunch	I'm just so used to seeing people only talking about speed for these kinds of things so I never really considered anyone trying to run such things in the browser
07:55:56	FromGitter	<mratsim> https://github.com/karpathy/convnetjs
07:56:03	FromGitter	<mratsim> 8100k stars
07:56:53	PMunch	Huh, I guess that proves you're right:P
07:57:19	FromGitter	<mratsim> Speed for training but once trained it can be run on phones
07:57:20	PMunch	Will be interesting to see what kinds of speed you will be able to achieve with Nim generated JS code for something like this
07:57:31	PMunch	Oh yeah, that's true
07:57:47	PMunch	You can train somewhere else and then simply run it on pretty much anything
07:58:26	FromGitter	<mratsim> http://blog.booleanbiotech.com/dna-alignment-with-python-nim-and-javascript.html
07:58:41	FromGitter	<mratsim> Someone hacked Arraymancer to run on JS
07:59:58	miran	ugh, not using log-plots
08:02:46	PMunch	Haha, that was fast
08:04:57	PMunch	Haha, I like how nimc is just a straight line in all the first plots :P
08:08:05	PMunch	But it's a shame that nimjs is so much slower than his native JS implementation
08:08:06	miran	just a sec, i'm making more useful versions of those plots
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08:08:41	PMunch	About 1/2 as fast with his data-set
08:11:13	miran	first graph: https://i.imgur.com/SzypD47.png
08:12:26	miran	second one: https://i.imgur.com/PE7ZusT.png
08:18:11	Araq	I think, I mostly can get 'nim js' down to 0 overhead
08:18:37	PMunch	Oh really? That would be really cool
08:19:06	Araq	well I mean "my own Nim code has no overhead"
08:19:08	PMunch	How do you plan on doing that? Or to rephrase, what is the overhead now?
08:19:28	Araq	not that I intend to patch the JS codegen further
08:20:07	PMunch	Ah right
08:21:42	Araq	though I could do that too :-)
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10:13:48	Yardanico	hi guys
10:16:52	couven92	Hi Yardanico! :)
10:19:49	PMunch	Hi there
10:20:14	PMunch	couven92, I was reading dom96's book last night and the chat-application might be something we could do for the workshop
10:20:28	PMunch	It's pretty basic but shows off some of the features of Nim
10:20:37	couven92	PMunch, feasable :)
10:20:42	PMunch	Plus it would be cool to have people chat together :P
10:24:59	Yardanico	btw, we would get gitter-like experience on twitch
10:25:11	Yardanico	since (if someone didn't see it) I've registered "FromIRC" nickname on twitch xD
10:25:24	PMunch	Yeah I saw that :)
10:25:50	Yardanico	It's very strange that it wasn't taken
10:26:11	PMunch	Might get a bit noisy and weird in here though since people are commenting on a temporal thing not strictly linked to the channel. So maybe we should try it out in a new room first?
10:26:25	PMunch	Or we could try it here first then decide later
10:26:28	Yardanico	yes it has a config file
10:26:31	Yardanico	easy to change :)
10:26:47	PMunch	Yeah I saw that, checked out the project this morning :)
10:27:12	Yardanico	i'll add server IP to config too
10:27:31	Yardanico	maybe in the future it can be full-fledged twitch bot for anyone who wants irc - twitch bridge :)
10:28:23	Yardanico	also I didn't stress test it
10:28:27	Yardanico	ah, that's easy
10:28:31	PMunch	Apparently not that many seeing how FromIRC wasn't taken
10:28:52	FromGitter	<mratsim> But you can already connect to any twitch channel chat from IRC
10:28:52	PMunch	But maybe people just haven't though about it
10:28:58	Yardanico	mratsim: it's a bridge
10:29:04	Yardanico	so you can send messages from YOUR irc channel to twitch
10:29:06	PMunch	If you have a twitch account mratsim
10:29:08	Yardanico	and from twitch to irc
10:29:12	Yardanico	like FromGitter works
10:29:28	Yardanico	so instead of Gitter - IRC we have IRC - twitch
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10:29:37	Yardanico	well, people from IRC will be able to write things too xD
10:29:40	Yardanico	*from gitter
10:30:26	PMunch	<FromIRC>: FromGitter: <PMunch> Hello world
10:30:27	FromGitter	PMunch, I'm a bot, *bleep, bloop*. I relay messages between here and https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim
10:30:36	PMunch	Haha :P
10:30:37	Yardanico	PMunch, yeah I will probably add a special case for that
10:30:51	Yardanico	for gitter I mean
10:31:04	PMunch	Yeah that would probably be a good idea
10:31:51	Viktor_	Hi Guys, I am just evaluating if I should use nim for my pet-project api. It is basically a simple crud (for now) with postgres data, and json responses. Did anyone write an api in nim, that is actually used in prod?
10:34:02	FromGitter	<zetashift> I haven't but these companies using it in production! https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Companies-using-Nim
10:35:06	PMunch	Viktor_, I've used it for simple JSON REST server with SQL DB and a single-page Karax front-end
10:35:11	PMunch	Really easy to work with
10:36:04	Viktor_	<PMunch> how was the stability and memory consumption of your api?
10:36:49	couven92	Viktor_, That being said, Nim is still heavily in development, some of the APIs might change over time, possible creating breaking changes as we move forwards. Might be something to consider for use in production
10:37:21	PMunch	Didn't really measure as it was only for a school project, so stability wasn't an issue for me.
10:37:47	PMunch	couven92, true. But you can always run the old compiled binaries
10:37:59	PMunch	Or use an older version of Nim while porting to a never one
10:38:06	PMunch	s/never/newer
10:38:21	PMunch	It's not like Python 2/3
10:39:35	couven92	PMunch, it is still important to say for in-production use! It is very important for a company to know that they might have to put in some maintanance effort if they plan to maintain an application.
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10:40:06	Viktor_	For me it is also my own pet-project api, so I could live with changes. Is there an estimated time for the api freeze?
10:40:26	Yardanico	Viktor_, well nim doesn't have THAT much changes
10:40:39	FromGitter	<Yardanico> checking Gitter-IRC-Twitch :P
10:40:58	PMunch	Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most breaking changes I've seen has been very easy to fix
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10:41:33	FromGitter	<Yardanico> a
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10:42:16	FromGitter	<Yardanico> hmm, doesn't work well for some reason
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10:42:31	couven92	PMunch, Viktor_: yeah for pet-projects that is fine. I am just thinking in larger contexts here: If you have millions of LOC, breaking changes is a real pain in the a**, even if the change is easy to fix!
10:43:18	Viktor_	Thanks for the responses guys. What I am doing now is, I am writing the same little api in Node, Go, and Nim and evaluate which works best for me.
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10:43:35	FromGitter	<Yardanico> still trying to make gitter-twitch work :/
10:43:50	PMunch	couven92, that is very true
10:43:53	couven92	Viktor_, :) if you have time to do that, that is often a very good idea
10:44:26	couven92	(and we all know he'll conclude with Nim being superior, right?) :P
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10:45:27	PMunch	Of course :)
10:45:28	FromGitter	<Yardanico> yeah, you're right
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10:45:42	Viktor_	That's what after work hours are for. :) I have it already in Node, and Go, but I am not convinced of either. Nim seems to be the best of all worlds. Especially since I worked with coffeescript for years, the syntax is very similar.
10:46:30	PMunch	A simply CRUD in Jester is dead simple to do
10:46:52	PMunch	dom96, did we ever fix the metaprogramming thing in jester routes by the way?
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10:47:37	FromGitter	<Yardanico> I'm trying to use strscans btw
10:47:51	Yardanico	why it doesn't workkk
10:48:01	PMunch	It's really practical to have an error checking template for DB operations, but with the bug it just introduced more errors :P
10:48:22	PMunch	Yardanico, how are you trying to do it?
10:48:45	Yardanico	PMunch, if scanf(message, "<$+>$s$+", checkNick, checkMsg): do stuff if it matches
10:48:54	Yardanico	$+ means 1 or more chars
10:49:04	PMunch	if username == "FromGitter": username = msg[1..msg.find(">")]
10:49:12	Yardanico	:d
10:49:21	Yardanico	ok :)
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10:49:27	PMunch	Wouldn't that work?
10:49:40	Yardanico	yeah it would
10:49:42	Araq	Yardanico: keep in mind scanf is not a regex
10:49:47	PMunch	That way it only happens on FromGitter as well, so that I couldn't do:
10:49:48	Yardanico	Araq, I know
10:50:06	PMunch	<Yardanico> Now I would be spoofing you!
10:50:10	Yardanico	ohh
10:50:27	Yardanico	well I'll just use the code that you've suggested!
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10:51:51	FromGitter	<Yardanico> trying
10:52:09	Yardanico	yeah that works, only need to remove a lot of not needed ">"
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10:52:36	FromGitter	<Yardanico> sooo
10:53:06	Yardanico	oh wait, I've got a better idea
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10:53:38	Yardanico	lol it's so simple
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10:53:46	FromGitter	<Yardanico> and it probably would work
10:53:49	Yardanico	yes it does
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10:54:07	Yardanico	so I just know the fact that gitter has messages like " <Yardanico> I'm trying to use strscans btw"
10:54:19	Yardanico	so I just send this message to twitch without re-formatting it
10:54:24	Yardanico	but probably I should add that it's from gitter
10:54:47	Yardanico	what would be the best way to indicate that this message was sent from gitter ? :P
10:54:58	Yardanico	<Yardanico@gitter> ?
10:57:11	PMunch	I guess that would work
10:59:46	Araq	Yardanico: told ya the results are representative
11:00:01	Yardanico	Araq, yeah it seems so
11:00:06	Araq	destructors are most exciting :P
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11:00:36	FromGitter	<Yardanico> trying again
11:00:48	Yardanico	hmm, it shows as " <<Yardanico>gitter> > trying again" on twitch
11:01:12	Araq	speaking of which, is there an IRC client for VS Code?
11:01:32	couven92	Araq, I know there is one for Vim :P
11:01:50	Yardanico	Araq, can't find any
11:02:10	Araq	couven92: too bad vim cannot distinguish between scroll position, mouse position and cursor position then.
11:02:14	Yardanico	I found an extensions for gitter tho
11:02:17	Yardanico	*extension
11:02:17	Yardanico	https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=scrthq.vscode-gitter
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11:03:15	Araq	maybe get the basics right before boasting how your non sensical keyboard shortcuts from the 70ies make you more productive
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11:04:02	couven92	Araq, not too fond of Vim, eh? :D
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11:04:06	FromGitter	<Yardanico> (ignore) check
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11:05:18	FromGitter	<Yardanico> (ignore sorry) check2
11:05:53	FromGitter	<zetashift> What does Araq use then? :o
11:06:14	couven92	@zetashift if the last stream is any indication: VS Code
11:06:34	Araq	couven92: tried it multiple times, it never convinced me
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11:07:11	FromGitter	<Yardanico> (check check check)
11:07:41	couven92	Araq, yeah, I only use it when I already am in the command-line and too lazy to switch out of the window or when I **have** to use (i.e. in an ssh without Graphical redirect)
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11:07:57	FromGitter	<Yardanico> well it seems I did it (but the code isn't very clean)
11:08:02	Araq	couven92: there is 'nano' for that
11:08:12	Yardanico	(nick, msg) = (data[0][2..^1] & " at Gitter", data[1].strip())
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11:09:08	couven92	Araq, I hear people telling me that... But I have no clue how nano works, so instead of learning yet another set of key combos I stick to those I have already learned... It's a relic of the Linux-people around pushing Vim onto me :P
11:09:33	FromGitter	<Yardanico> I've never used any console editors as my main editor
11:09:41	Araq	you don't have to learn nano, it tells you the combinations at the bottom
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11:10:58	couven92	Araq, oh well... I'll try to remember next time :P But in reality now that the damage is already done, there is no real difference for me using Vim as opposed to nano, is there?
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11:11:17	Yardanico	ok, now I'll stress-test it in some empty channel (I can create it myself)
11:11:24	Yardanico	e.g. connect to some popular twitch streamer
11:11:26	Araq	and they use this innovation called "ctrl" key (or Apple's rethought version of it)
11:11:36	couven92	People should instead try talking me out of using full-blown Visual Studio for everything instead of other (better) alternatives :P
11:12:36	couven92	Yardanico, what happends when I `/MSG FromTwitch Hi there!`
11:12:39	Araq	vim for coding is like lynx for browsing
11:12:48	FromGitter	<mratsim> Nano is only for conf files :p
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11:13:11	Yardanico	couven92, IDK, I've started the bot
11:13:12	miran	VS Code + Vim keybinding = nice combo
11:13:14	Yardanico	try it
11:13:17	couven92	Araq, as you might imagine, the same people have been pushing lynx onto me as well... Thus far I have resisted :P
11:13:39	Yardanico	yeah
11:13:41	Yardanico	it works xD
11:13:47	couven92	what happened?
11:13:54	Yardanico	couven92, it sent the message to twitch
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11:13:59	Yardanico	I'll add a check for the source
11:13:59	couven92	okay :)
11:14:06	Yardanico	so I would check if it's from the can
11:14:08	Yardanico	*channel
11:14:11	couven92	why?
11:14:19	couven92	anti-spam?
11:14:31	Yardanico	well I can keep it as it is now
11:14:42	couven92	yeah, probably a good idea now that I think of it... hmm...
11:14:48	Yardanico	it would be strange though
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11:15:43	Yardanico	couven92, it doesn't crash :P
11:15:45	Yardanico	but yeah, spam is real
11:16:08	couven92	:D
11:16:41	Yardanico	it's easy to check for though
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11:17:46	Yardanico	yeah, doesn't work now
11:18:17	Yardanico	couven92, thanks for your help
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11:18:41	couven92	I helped? Omg, what did I do now? :O
11:18:49	Yardanico	so I'll finally change my nickname to FromIRC and try it on some very popular stream
11:18:59	Yardanico	(not my nickname, bot's nickname)
11:19:00	Yardanico	on twitch
11:20:14	Yardanico	couven92, you can join #twitchas (I'll stress-test it there)
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11:20:19	couven92	:)
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11:20:30	couven92	on irc.twitch.tv, right?
11:20:46	Yardanico	couven92, no, it's on irc
11:20:58	couven92	ah, okay...
11:20:58	Yardanico	firstly I want to test twitch-irc :P
11:24:02	skrylar	nano/pico are the console equivalents of notepad :p
11:24:08	skrylar	although emacs with evil can be very nice
11:25:49	livcd	I use emacs but consider switching to Atom
11:26:10	skrylar	what would the point of that even be
11:26:42	skrylar	admittedly i wish emacs/vim would integrate a fuzzy matcher already. fuzzy completion is really nice in Sublime
11:27:09	Araq	"do what I mean, don't do what I type"
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11:27:22	Araq	I love these things too :-)
11:28:24	livcd	skrylar: more effortless setup, no elisp
11:29:00	miran	livcd: sonsider VS code instead of Atom. you might be surprised
11:29:54	FromGitter	<dandevelo> I would like to add a prefix to my log messages such as "APPName" and be able to specify a different string for every app I build. Ideally this string would be written in the C code and not be allocated every time my program runs. How would I go about doing that?
11:31:07	Araq	use a custom logging module, not the stdlib'S :-)
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11:34:17	Yardanico	yay, my twitchrelay works for unicode (tested on some korean stream)
11:35:56	FromGitter	<mratsim> @skrylar, your wish is my command: Vim with fuzzymatcher: http://owen.cymru/fzf-ripgrep-navigate-with-bash-faster-than-ever-before/
11:35:58	Yardanico	oh twitch
11:35:59	Yardanico	If you send more than 20 commands or messages to the server within a 30 second period, you will get locked out for 8 hours automatically.
11:36:06	Yardanico	I should probably add a variable to count that
11:36:28	couven92	Yardanico, oooh... yeah :)
11:36:42	Yardanico	or
11:36:43	Yardanico	Mods can type 100 messages in a channel before hitting this rate limit. If a message is sent to a room in which your global message count is already too high, you will be disconnected.
11:37:03	Yardanico	if araq will give my bot a moderator status, it will be a lot better
11:37:17	Yardanico	and they don't ban mods
11:37:23	FromGitter	<mratsim> !eval kick Yardanico
11:37:25	NimBot	Compile failed: in.nim(1, 1) Error: undeclared identifier: 'kick'
11:37:29	Yardanico	?
11:37:34	FromGitter	<mratsim> moderator status ;)
11:37:38	FromGitter	<mratsim> abuse*
11:37:52	Yardanico	NimBot uses nim playground for eval anyway
11:38:39	FromGitter	<mratsim> I meant, you probably want some filter to avoid people sending an ill-formed message in Gitter that does something “dangerous” on IRC
11:38:45	FromGitter	<mratsim> or Twitch
11:38:55	Yardanico	how they would do some dangerous things?
11:39:09	Yardanico	my message format is "<nickname> message"
11:39:37	FromGitter	<mratsim> it’s just food for thoughts
11:40:07	Yardanico	well I don't think there would be a lot of evil people here :)
11:40:44	Yardanico	I'll enable the bot in #nim channel, and if there would be a lot of messages - I'll move to #nim-offtopic probably
11:40:53	Yardanico	(on today's stream)
11:41:11	Yardanico	or if people will complain
11:42:18	Yardanico	Araq, can you add "FromIRC" as a mod to your channel on twitch? so we won't hit the message rate limit. Just type "/mod FromIRC" in your channel's chat
11:42:25	Yardanico	https://go.twitch.tv/araq4k here in the chat :)
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11:43:46	Araq	done
11:44:26	PMunch	The stream is at 19:00 UTC right?
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11:45:52	FromTwitch	<yardanico> ok, I've configured it, so let's just wait for the stream :)
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11:46:19	dom96	hello guys
11:46:24	Yardanico	dom96, hi
11:46:44	Yardanico	dom96, I've improved twitchrelay a bit :P (added gitter support with the help from couven92)
11:47:24	dom96	oh, you mean you parse out the nickname from FromGitter?
11:47:28	Yardanico	dom96, yep
11:47:34	dom96	cool
11:47:41	Yardanico	and it would be like "<nickname from Gitter> message"
11:47:43	Yardanico	e.g.
11:47:49	Yardanico	"<Yardanico from Gitter> hi"
11:48:24	PMunch	That's even longer though Yardanico..
11:48:47	Yardanico	well I don't know a better way to let people understand that this message was sent from gitter :P
11:48:57	PMunch	@G
11:49:01	Yardanico	ok
11:49:02	PMunch	Or something else simple
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11:49:20	FromGitter	<Yardanico> sending from gitter to #araq4k channel!
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11:49:48	FromGitter	<Yardanico> test
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11:49:54	FromGitter	<Yardanico> test
11:49:58	dom96	I don't think there is a need to let people know that it's from Gitter
11:50:04	dom96	but *shrug*
11:50:09	Yardanico	also you may check how it looks like here: https://go.twitch.tv/araq4k
11:50:18	Yardanico	just type something in IRC
11:50:32	Yardanico	dom96, ok, I'll remove it
11:50:48	*	dom96 what happens with this?
11:51:01	dom96	That doesn't look right ;)
11:51:05	Yardanico	why ? :)
11:51:11	dom96	because it doesn't specify my nick
11:51:15	Yardanico	ah, yep
11:51:18	dom96	but still, nice work
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11:51:48	Yardanico	ah, so the message that is parsed by IRC library is
11:51:51	Yardanico	"ACTION checking stuff"
11:52:33	Yardanico	I can just use multireplace to remove these
11:53:14	*	PMunch Then we can say things here without twitch knowing. Muhaha
11:53:32	PMunch	Oh wow, yeah you should fix that Yardanico
11:53:40	Yardanico	nah, I'll parse them as usual messages
11:53:43	Yardanico	they'll be sent to twitch too
11:53:55	PMunch	Now without the nick it could possibly be abused
11:54:07	Yardanico	is there any commands apart from "/me" ?
11:54:14	Yardanico	which can do stuff like this
11:54:27	PMunch	Hmm, people could /query the bot?
11:54:47	PMunch	But nothing in a room itself I don't think
11:55:04	Yardanico	no I've already fixed that ( couven92 said about it)
11:55:23	couven92	No, I only did /MSG and /QUERY
11:55:32	PMunch	And you do have styles which I guess wouldn't work
11:55:39	Yardanico	yeah, they wouldn't
11:55:45	Yardanico	but Kappa KappaPride would work on twitch xD
11:56:02	PMunch	Wat
11:56:08	Yardanico	twitch emotes
11:56:14	Yardanico	they're parsed in your browser
11:56:24	PMunch	Right..
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11:57:23	*	Yardanico one two three unicode привет
11:58:49	Yardanico	hmm, it has some weird characters on twitch
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12:00:04	*	Yardanico doesn't know why
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12:00:32	Yardanico	any ideas about that ? :P
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12:00:36	Yardanico	ping
12:00:43	*	Yardanico ping
12:00:57	dom96	looks fine to me
12:01:03	Yardanico	dom96, on twitch?
12:01:14	couven92	Your cyrrilic looks fine both in my browser and in HexChat
12:01:17	dom96	Yardanico: yeah
12:01:26	Yardanico	well I'm not about cyrillic, I'm about /me stuff
12:01:43	*	Yardanico maybe it's just for me, but twitch shows some weird chars at the start and at the end of this message
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12:02:14	*	Yardanico so probably it's just for me ...
12:02:37	PMunch	There probably are some weird characters there, it's just that dom96 and couven92 have a font that doesn't render them
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12:03:20	*	Yardanico I'll try to see that bytes they have (through repr)
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12:03:28	Yardanico	oh wait, really
12:03:39	Yardanico	they have \1 at the start and at the end
12:04:18	dom96	Yep. It's \1ACTION msg\1
12:04:25	Yardanico	ah, ok
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12:05:01	*	Yardanico I just use .multiReplace for them :)
12:05:06	Yardanico	yes, that works
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12:06:28	dom96	https://github.com/nim-lang/nimbot/blob/master/src/nimbot.nim#L103
12:06:29	dom96	:P
12:07:05	Yardanico	oh, I'll probably use that as well
12:07:11	Yardanico	wow, you can use {} syntax here? !
12:07:17	dom96	We're getting a little army of bots here
12:07:22	dom96	Wanna make a FromSlack as well? :)
12:07:28	dom96	Yeah you can
12:07:35	dom96	Clever ain't it ;)
12:07:47	dom96	Remember, that syntax expands to a list of tuples
12:08:07	Yardanico	yeah, I know
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12:08:40	Yardanico	I'll remove  though :)
12:08:52	dom96	yeah, of course
12:08:58	Yardanico	:P
12:09:07	dom96	I used it because somebody would have to be trying to be clever
12:09:13	dom96	whereas a /me is quite common for your sue case
12:09:18	dom96	*use
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12:10:17	Yardanico	done\n newline?
12:10:22	Yardanico	ah, that's fake newline
12:10:34	Yardanico	1
12:10:34	Yardanico	2
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12:12:33	Yardanico	I've pushed all changes to https://github.com/Yardanico/twitchrelay
12:14:14	Yardanico	also it works fine without -d:release
12:14:24	Yardanico	because speed is not an issue here :)
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12:17:57	Araq	Yardanico: it doesn't work though?
12:18:06	Yardanico	Araq, what do you mean?
12:18:14	Araq	I wrote 'test' in araq4k's chat
12:18:14	Yardanico	I'll start it on a VPS now
12:18:21	Yardanico	it's not running now
12:18:25	Araq	and it doesn't show up here, oh ok
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12:18:30	Yardanico	started it
12:18:37	FromTwitch	<araq4k> test
12:18:57	FromTwitch	<araq4k> good job!
12:19:32	PMunch	Hi araq4k
12:19:35	Yardanico	:D
12:19:52	Yardanico	PMunch, it doesn't change "araq4k" to "@araq4k" yet
12:19:55	*	PMunch thinks Yardanico did a good job!
12:19:56	Yardanico	like fromgitter does
12:20:00	PMunch	Aaah
12:20:04	PMunch	Oh does it?
12:20:14	Yardanico	FromGitter does
12:20:21	Yardanico	try to write Araq here, it will show up as "@Araq" in gitter
12:20:29	Yardanico	or no
12:20:35	Yardanico	yglukhov
12:20:36	PMunch	Huh, then I'll stop writing @ when talking to Gitter people :P
12:20:44	Yardanico	hmm wait
12:20:48	Yardanico	Araq: test gitter
12:20:50	Yardanico	ah yes
12:20:52	Yardanico	it works this way
12:20:53	dom96	Araq: Got a second screen hooked up?
12:21:04	PMunch	Oh, only when you add :?
12:21:09	couven92	PMunch, FromGitter will actually add @ when you mention a nick that is in the gitter room
12:21:10	FromGitter	couven92, I'm a bot, *bleep, bloop*. I relay messages between here and https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim
12:21:11	Araq	dom96: no, should I?
12:21:29	Yardanico	dom96, he'll check twitch chat in IRC :P
12:21:34	Araq	I'm trying to find a VS Code plugin instead that shows the chat
12:21:51	couven92	so feel free to omit the @ it'll be there anyways :P
12:21:52	dom96	Araq: yeah...
12:22:08	Araq	dom96: why?
12:22:43	dom96	Araq: So you can view the chat without having to switch windows?
12:23:03	PMunch	couven92, according to Yardanico it seems to only work when you do couven92: and not just the nick
12:23:07	PMunch	But I might be wrong
12:23:24	Yardanico	maybe it works if your message starts with a nickname?
12:23:27	couven92	PMunch, to secs, let's try
12:23:27	Yardanico	Araq &*#&Q@%!@(#*$%
12:23:31	Yardanico	hmm, no
12:23:34	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Hello dom96
12:23:41	dom96	Hello d0m96
12:23:50	Araq	dom96: yeah but then I have to read out the chat or else people will be confused
12:23:55	FromGitter	<couven92> PMunch: try writing something to me, pls? on Gitter
12:24:03	FromGitter	<Yardanico> @couven92 hi
12:24:04	Araq	it's more bullet proof to have the chat part of the screen
12:24:05	dom96	Araq: No, you need to get a chat overlay like I have
12:24:11	PMunch	Hi couven92
12:24:13	FromGitter	<couven92> without the @
12:24:30	dom96	Araq: Then you can have OBS in your other screen
12:24:31	PMunch	That was without it
12:24:34	dom96	and see what your viewer's are seeing
12:24:36	FromGitter	<couven92> Yeah, you're right PMunch, it does not add the @
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12:24:55	Araq	dom96: alright then
12:25:07	dom96	all you need to do is login to streamlabs
12:25:13	PMunch	couven92: apparently it does when you do this
12:25:16	couven92	PMunch, but with nickname: it does
12:25:17	dom96	With your Twitch login
12:25:20	couven92	yeah
12:25:22	dom96	and then grab the URL for their chat widget
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12:25:28	dom96	Put it into a BrowserSource in OBS
12:26:03	Araq	so you do suggest OBS records the chat window?
12:26:41	dom96	?
12:26:53	dom96	what do you mean?
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12:27:28	Yardanico	ok, I've started twitchrelay on my VPS
12:27:48	dom96	Yardanico: Can it relay to multiple Twitch channels?
12:27:55	Yardanico	dom96, I didn't add this feature yet
12:28:06	Yardanico	but it shouldn't be too hard
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12:28:54	Araq	dom96: I mean the chat will be visible all the time for the watchers
12:28:58	dom96	yes
12:29:05	Araq	ok
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12:32:47	Yardanico	I hope my bot wouldn't crash :P
12:33:56	Yardanico	couven92, you don't need to connect to twitch irc anymore :P
12:36:03	Yardanico	guys, ping me if you see "FromTwitch has quit (Remote host closed the connection)" in IRC :)
12:36:16	Yardanico	*will see
12:39:50	Yardanico	BTW, I've compiled it with -x:off to have traceback available in case it will crash
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12:40:25	Araq	Yardanico: shouldn't that be -x:on ?
12:40:42	dom96	What's `-x`?
12:40:46	dom96	First time I'm seeing this
12:40:53	Yardanico	Araq, ah lol
12:41:19	Yardanico	dom96, -x, --checks:on|off turn all runtime checks on|off
12:41:25	Yardanico	Araq, wait, it should be off: -x, --checks:on|off turn all runtime checks on|off
12:41:38	Yardanico	linedir and stacktrace are unaffected by -x
12:41:55	Araq	turn on these checks
12:42:16	Araq	as you said, efficiency doesn't matter for this application
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12:42:26	dom96	what does this actually switch on?
12:42:35	dom96	that isn't already switched on by default?
12:42:35	Yardanico	dom96, enables/disables all runtime cheks
12:42:38	Yardanico	*checks
12:42:42	Yardanico	out of bounds, range checks etc
12:42:52	dom96	those are enabled by default, no?
12:42:55	Araq	dom96: it is the default, yes
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12:43:14	Yardanico	Araq, ok, I've compiled it with "nim c twitchrelay"
13:02:37	Yardanico	only 6 hours left :p!
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13:26:40	gangstacat	whose is this araq4k channel?
13:27:07	couven92	gangstacat, it's the Araq twitch channel
13:27:21	gangstacat	alright, nice idea
13:27:30	couven92	go.twitch.tv/araq4k
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13:28:48	couven92	Araq, I am joining a workshop on AI at the university today, so I cannot be there live to watch you do destructors... :( Please upload the stream somewhere later so that I can enjoy your thought process again! :)
13:29:36	couven92	The benefit is that this time he can do his work without being interrupted be me :P
13:30:20	Yardanico	couven92, use gitter & twitch from the phone
13:30:21	couven92	s/be/by
13:30:25	Yardanico	at least you'll see the code and chat :D
13:30:41	Araq	uploaded my first live coding to youtube
13:30:59	Araq	and the second two actually but youtube says it's "private" and I dunno why
13:31:20	couven92	Yardanico, that would be impolite, as at 19:00 we'll be talking with the guys doing the workshop, and they'll be giving us free beer
13:31:42	Yardanico	Araq, link ? :)
13:32:13	couven92	Araq, nice! I haven't watched the first one yet either, so I'll treat myself tonight when I get home :)
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13:39:01	luka_	@zacharycarter, @mratsim, thanks!
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13:39:12	miran	couven92: where are you located?
13:39:26	couven92	Tromsø, Norway
13:39:39	couven92	Home of the Northernmost University in the World :)
13:39:52	miran	couven92: so at 21:00 you'll still be at the workshop? :)
13:40:10	miran	that's a time for being at home and/or watching streams :)
13:40:55	couven92	miran, no the workshop will probably only last until 18:00 or so... But afterwards we're invited to the Pub to talk, socialize and to get free beer
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13:41:57	miran	yeah, i'm going on some datascience meetup starting at 18:00, but hopefully i'll be home by the time the stream starts
13:42:14	miran	but it seems there is a hope it will be later published on youtube :)
13:46:14	couven92	miran, well from experience I know that these social gatherings with business representatives can last last well into the evening, I don't expect to be home before 23:00 to day :P
13:48:10	Araq	don't be too excited, I don't even know what to program yet
13:48:57	couven92	Araq, as I said the other day: it still is interesting just to hear the train of thought :P
13:49:00	FromGitter	<mratsim> @miran don't go there! It will be the bane of your existence, you will become all talk and no substance. Everything will be targeted at the potential "I know nothing" and as.an expert you won't learn anything. Plus I don't know about you but there are like 2-3 data science related Meetup per week in my area
13:49:02	Araq	maybe I'll fake the poll and show Karax instead :P
13:49:18	couven92	:D
13:49:46	skrylar	what even is a 'data science meetup'
13:50:51	skrylar	"man i compared the pearson r between hamburger diameter and the price of meat futures, its totally rad"
13:51:00	FromGitter	<mratsim> Machine learning, deep learning, computer vision, natural language understanding, neural network, gradient boosted trees, classification, regression. Anything that allows you to deal with data
13:51:21	miran	mratsim - i'm going because i know the girl who will give the talk. and this is first meetup of this kind in my town, so i want to be there to give some support
13:51:40	skrylar	the real reason emerges, cherches la femme. :P
13:51:52	FromGitter	<mratsim> Hehe!
13:52:13	miran	and after some time spent here with nim community, finally something where i can be "i know more than some of these people" :D :P
13:52:13	couven92	miran, Good luck with that! :D
13:52:22	miran	skrylar: :D :D
13:53:02	miran	so basically, i'm going to get some ego boost :D
13:53:23	FromGitter	<mratsim> You're doing data science in Nim?
13:53:27	skrylar	dump the framework in the trash, read the whitepaper. congratulations you are no longer john snow
13:54:31	miran	mratsim - no(t yet). i'm coming from the python world (where i do some DS, but mostly numerics), and now i'm exploring nim - i just started
13:54:38	livcd	Araq: do something boring that is easily understandable :)
13:54:47	miran	you can tell by all those basic questions i keep having :)
13:54:59	couven92	okay gotta go to the workshop. Good luck with your stream later Araq! :)
13:55:50	Araq	thanks
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13:58:27	Yardanico	Araq, so can you share a link of your stream recording?
14:00:53	Araq	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2qlDKm_WzE
14:01:00	Araq	should have given it a title lol
14:01:18	Araq	oh and apparently the Pretty printing is public now too
14:02:03	dom96	Create a playlist with your videos so that I can feature it on the Nim youtube channe;
14:02:05	dom96	*channel
14:02:29	dom96	Sorta how I've done with my videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDAYn_VFt0VisL5-1a5Dk7Q
14:03:30	FromGitter	<mratsim> Twitch is an awesome way to promote Nim, congrats on the idea
14:04:42	livcd	there is a nim youtube channel ?
14:04:52	dom96	Yep :)
14:05:37	dom96	So since Araq is doing one today, maybe I should do a livestream tomorrow? :)
14:06:33	Araq	dom96: you need to do a livestream every day because it forces you to stay focussed on one task and be productive
14:06:52	dom96	That would kill me lol
14:07:37	Araq	meh destructors are so hard, apart from that they already work
14:07:52	dom96	Sure it makes you more focused, but it also makes you more likely to write poor code because you don't want to bore people with refactoring.
14:08:01	Araq	no leaks, no GC, no crashes
14:08:23	Yardanico	Araq, ideal world? :)
14:08:36	dom96	Another good idea btw would be to put up a banner on your twitch account
14:08:45	dom96	Which specifies the time of your next stream
14:08:48	dom96	I wonder how that's done
14:08:51	Yardanico	Araq, pls rename these videos when you have time :P
14:09:27	Yardanico	dom96, https://www.twitch.tv/yardanico/dashboard
14:09:43	Yardanico	oh wait, wrong link
14:09:51	dom96	Yeah, I guess Twitch just lets you upload an image?
14:09:54	Yardanico	ahh
14:09:56	Yardanico	dom96, no
14:10:05	Yardanico	dom96, go to here https://www.twitch.tv/d0m96
14:10:09	Yardanico	then scroll down
14:10:13	Yardanico	then enable panel editing
14:10:25	Yardanico	and you'll be able to add a text or image panel :P
14:10:31	dom96	But that's below the video
14:10:33	dom96	isn't it?
14:10:41	Yardanico	dom96, it is
14:10:44	dom96	https://go.twitch.tv/h3h3productions
14:10:54	dom96	They've got an image even though they're offline
14:11:02	Yardanico	dom96, https://www.twitch.tv/settings/channel
14:11:02	dom96	oooh, they've got totalbiscuit next
14:11:03	dom96	nice
14:11:22	Yardanico	you can change this banner here
14:11:28	dom96	okay, that's what I thought :)
14:11:34	Yardanico	wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T0MrJkLB8Y
14:12:19	livcd	listening to the old stream of araq
14:12:34	FromGitter	<krux02> cool
14:12:37	livcd	Yardanico: btw is not it possible to spam twitch chat through irc via your bot ?
14:12:48	dom96	Araq has an interesting fetish :P
14:13:01	Yardanico	livcd, well it is possible, but twitch limits are high because araq gave moderator right to my bot
14:13:10	Araq	dom96: which one?
14:13:20	Araq	oh lol
14:13:21	Yardanico	so I can send ~100 messages every 30 seconds
14:13:31	dom96	hah, "which one"
14:13:34	Yardanico	:DD
14:14:00	dom96	Yardanico: So now implement multi channel support so that it can relay to my channel too :)
14:14:09	livcd	we should buy araq a better microphone
14:14:30	dom96	oh, a nice feature would also be to add a command to mute it in case I want to stream something non-Nim related
14:14:39	dom96	but I guess I can just do that from Twitch
14:15:14	Yardanico	dom96, well change twitchChan = cfg["twitch_chan"] to twitchChan = cfg["twitch_chan"].split(",")
14:15:40	Yardanico	in the config file: twitch_chan = #d0m96,#araq4k
14:15:44	Yardanico	also
14:15:55	Yardanico	joinChans = @[twitchChan] change it to joinChans = twitchChan
14:16:00	dom96	oh cool, so it's simple
14:16:07	Yardanico	ah, not that simple
14:16:20	dom96	just need to send to multiple channels
14:16:22	Yardanico	let isTwitch = twitchChan in event.params[0]
14:16:39	Yardanico	dom96, you want it to send messages from different twitch channels to one IRC channel?
14:16:53	dom96	sure
14:17:02	Yardanico	I'll probably implement that today
14:17:16	dom96	Might need to get your bot to state where it's coming from then though :\
14:17:29	FromGitter	<mratsim> @dom96 At the bottom of Nim features page, you should put a link with "Try Nim in your browser" with a link to play.nim-lang.org
14:17:36	Yardanico	dom96, yeah I think that will be neccesary
14:17:51	dom96	mratsim: PRs welcome :)
14:18:20	FromGitter	<mratsim> :)
14:19:25	dom96	Hrm, maybe I'll create a survey of what I should do in my stream too
14:19:38	dom96	Question is what should I put in there?
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14:25:16	Yardanico	test
14:25:17	FromTwitchTest	<fromirc> <Yardanico> test
14:25:18	FromTwitch	<fromirc> <Yardanico> test
14:25:18	FromTwitchTest	<fromirc> <FromTwitchTest> <fromirc> <Yardanico> test
14:25:19	FromTwitch	<fromirc> <FromTwitch> <fromirc> <Yardanico> test
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14:25:20	FromTwitch	<fromirc> <FromTwitch> <fromirc> <FromTwitch> <fromirc> <Yardanico> test
14:25:32	Yardanico	-_-
14:25:35	Yardanico	xD
14:25:41	FromGitter	<krux02> args, my notifications are going crazy
14:25:46	Yardanico	sorry
14:26:00	FromGitter	<krux02> np
14:26:06	FromGitter	<krux02> was that recursion?
14:26:11	Yardanico	probably yeah
14:26:29	Yardanico	so it sent "test" to #araq4k and #d0m96 channels on twitch
14:26:36	Yardanico	then received a message from twitch channel
14:26:45	Yardanico	and sent "test" back to IRC channels
14:26:49	Yardanico	and so on
14:27:06	Araq	dom96: fix stdlib bugs
14:27:12	FromGitter	<krux02> I use gitter, because it has a history that simply works
14:27:14	Yardanico	that's not going to be as easy as I firstly though :P
14:27:32	FromGitter	<krux02> but the notifications about people's messages only work for gitter people
14:27:46	FromGitter	<krux02> when someone on irc posts the notification window has no valuable information
14:27:54	dom96	krux02: why are you getting notifications when someone posts?
14:28:07	dom96	Why not just on highlight?
14:28:18	FromGitter	<krux02> don't know
14:28:21	FromGitter	<krux02> it's the gitter client
14:28:38	Yardanico	ok I'm testing it again
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14:28:39	FromTwitchTest	<fromirc> <Yardanico> ok I'm testing it again
14:28:40	FromGitter	<krux02> I use it in "Franz" a pseudo multimessenger
14:28:40	FromTwitchTest	<fromirc> <FromTwitchTest> <fromirc> <Yardanico> ok I'm testing it again
14:28:41	FromTwitch	<fromirc> <krux02> I use it in "Franz" a pseudo multimessenger
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14:28:44	Yardanico	...
14:28:56	FromGitter	<krux02> woot
14:29:11	dom96	Yardanico: You've got two FromTwitch bots running...
14:29:26	Yardanico	ah, that's probably the reason :P
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14:29:58	Yardanico	test please? don't recurse, good bot
14:30:15	Yardanico	test2
14:30:20	Yardanico	yes it works
14:30:22	Yardanico	and from twitch
14:30:28	FromTwitchTest	<yardanico> from d0m96 channel
14:30:33	FromTwitchTest	<yardanico> from araq4k channel
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14:31:08	Yardanico	I'll keep experimenting with it, but not here :P
14:31:20	Yardanico	I'll start a stable bot again
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14:37:52	subsetpark	dom96: threadpool upgrade :)
14:38:19	dom96	subsetpark: hrm, you mean I should work on that?
14:38:25	dom96	Can you elaborate?
14:38:53	Yardanico	dom96, what would be the best way to mention where a message came from?
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14:39:02	Yardanico	"<Yardanico at #nim> test" ?
14:39:10	Yardanico	"<Yardanico at IRC#nim> test" ?
14:39:18	Yardanico	"<Yardanico at Twitch#d0m96> test" ?
14:39:31	subsetpark	don't we have plans to replace the current stdlib threadpool with something much more akin to yglukhov's implementation?
14:39:43	Yardanico	subsetpark, there's a PR made by him
14:39:53	Yardanico	and dom96 doesn't work on threadpool
14:39:58	dom96	subsetpark: yeah, what Yardanico said, not really my domain
14:40:14	subsetpark	nu, never too late to learn...
14:40:14	dom96	Yardanico: hrm, maybe it would just be better to connect two IRC clients to here
14:40:28	dom96	FromTwitch[d0m96]
14:40:34	dom96	FromTwitch[araq4k]
14:40:39	Yardanico	yeah, that would be very nice
14:40:40	dom96	You can use that as their nicknames
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14:42:11	Yardanico	dom96, yeah, it would be very nice, I'll probably implement that.
14:42:22	Yardanico	but not today :(
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14:42:36	dom96	Aww why?
14:42:48	Yardanico	well I'll start implementing it
14:42:50	dom96	You don't even need to have it in some program
14:42:57	dom96	*in the same program
14:43:03	dom96	You can just run it twice
14:43:06	dom96	Simply change the nickname
14:43:15	Yardanico	ah, lol
14:43:19	Yardanico	dom96, will you stream today?
14:43:49	dom96	No, tomorrow.
14:43:56	Yardanico	but I'll need to handle recursion between two bots :P
14:44:20	Yardanico	ah, no
14:45:22	Yardanico	e.g. someone sends a message (via FromTwitch[d0m96]) from #d0m96 to #nim, and another bot( FromTwitch[araq4k]) sends that to #araq4k channel
14:45:31	Yardanico	maybe I'll just ignore all nicknames
14:45:41	Yardanico	which start with some nick base
14:46:01	Yardanico	e.g. both config files will have the same twitch_nick_base
14:46:12	Yardanico	but I think it would be really cool to make it in one program
14:49:58	livcd	i am so exhausted after 8hours of dealing with shitty software
14:50:27	shashlick	@varriount : I found references in compiler\docgen.nim for "theindex.html" generation but will have to sit and understand Ropes
14:50:41	Yardanico	shashlick, did you see my link?
14:50:47	Yardanico	I've sent it after @varriount response
14:51:02	shashlick	Yardanico: Lib.rst doesn't seem to be theindex which lists every single proc and definition in one page so that you can CTRL-F easily
14:51:12	Yardanico	ah, you're about index
14:51:48	shashlick	basically I'm looking into adding functionality in nimbot to enable doc searches
14:51:56	Yardanico	shashlick, well you don't need to understand Ropes
14:52:17	Yardanico	rope is a more-efficient string-like type (for long strings)
14:52:19	Yardanico	https://nim-lang.org/docs/ropes.html
14:52:25	shashlick	theindex has everything worth mention in one place, however, it is HTML, which isn't too hard to parse honestly, but was curious of that metadata was available to search through easily
14:52:50	shashlick	I had mentioned this to dom96 earlier
14:52:59	FromGitter	<krux02> rope is a non-continuous string representation to make string concatenation faster
14:53:17	shashlick	something like !doc procname => procname present in multiple modules: module1, 2, 3, etc
14:53:34	shashlick	And then !doc module.proc => proc definitions as response
14:53:57	Yardanico	well you would need to change the compiler to allow generating index in some metadata-like type
14:54:15	Yardanico	there's no other way expect parsing html
14:54:30	shashlick	then if someone here asks a question about a particular functionality, you could just do !doc xyz and the answer would be inline, with a link to the actual HTML
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14:55:16	Yardanico	oh wait
14:57:17	FromGitter	<krux02> HTML is not easy to parse
14:57:20	FromGitter	<krux02> XML is easy to parse
14:58:00	FromGitter	<krux02> HTML is these weird no end tag requirement
14:58:10	FromGitter	<krux02> but yea I guess C++ is much harder to pares
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14:59:24	shashlick	@krux02 : well, considering theindex.html is generated, it's relatively easier :D
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14:59:49	shashlick	although, it is 1.4MB and would need to be downloaded wherever nimbot is
15:00:16	shashlick	but parseHtml() loads it up within 1/2 a second on my laptop so it isn't too bad
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15:00:57	FromGitter	<gokr> No idea what you are discussing but... https://nim-lang.org/docs/docgen.html#document-types-json
15:01:26	Yardanico	it would be very easy, yes
15:01:48	Yardanico	but it still would require to add like 5-10 lines to the compiler :P
15:03:55	Yardanico	or not
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15:15:01	shashlick	gokr: looks interesting, guess it is best to keep this functionality out of nimbot and instead consume it just like the playground
15:15:28	shashlick	But I'll have to figure a place to host this API
15:16:01	shashlick	That generates the docs in json format and allows searches over rest
15:17:15	Yardanico	shashlick, wait, you want to parse theindex html?
15:17:25	Yardanico	as I said: it would be better to add this functionality to the compiler itself
15:18:38	shashlick	Well I just want to search the documentation, using theindex is easiest since it has everything in one place
15:18:57	shashlick	But I could just as well leverage docs in a json format
15:19:05	enthus1ast	twitch is so bloaty omg
15:19:16	shashlick	And avoid relying on HTML
15:19:20	enthus1ast	or i am getting old
15:19:35	Yardanico	enthus1ast, it's not bloaty
15:19:44	Yardanico	facebook is 10x more bloaty than twitch, for example :P
15:21:09	shashlick	Where is nim-lang.org hosted today? Who do I talk to to get some space, assuming this is of interest
15:21:25	Yardanico	shashlick, digitalocean
15:21:30	Yardanico	you can see that at the footer
15:22:15	FromGitter	<dom96> shashlick: a web service would be nice, you could create something like hoogle and then hook up NimBot to it (just like I did with the playground)
15:23:43	FromGitter	<dom96> I believe the compiler generates another type of file (a .idx file)
15:24:07	FromGitter	<dom96> You should look into that, just run ./koch docs in the Nim repo
15:24:11	FromGitter	<dom96> and you should see them
15:27:59	enthus1ast	every chrome browser can natively by remote controlled by the remote debugger api
15:28:12	enthus1ast	this is a websocket protocol
15:29:47	enthus1ast	ive build a stream ripper some month ago with it
15:32:31	Yardanico	can we just make that all internal compiler errors will just say "error: invalid syntax" without any info ? :D
15:32:33	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/6533
15:33:40	shashlick	@dom96 : thanks I'll look into it
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15:41:25	kd	Hi all, is there any interest in using http://botbot.me/ for nim logs? Currently it's rather hard to search IRC history for specific content.
15:42:01	Yardanico	cc Araq, dom96 :)
15:42:19	Yardanico	well maybe one of the reason is that irclogs are written using Nim itself, but yeah, I like botbot.me a lot
15:43:55	Yardanico	probably we can have two logging services at the same time ? :)
15:45:42	kd	Of course it was written in Nim :D
15:47:49	FromGitter	<dom96> Is google not good enough? :)
15:48:08	Yardanico	dom96: honestly no :(
15:48:13	kd	I guess I could search gitter for history.
15:48:26	Yardanico	botbot is more lightweight than gitter btw
15:48:29	Yardanico	and it has some cool features
15:48:36	FromGitter	<dom96> Let's improve NimBot then :)
15:48:42	Yardanico	https://botbot.me/mozilla/rust-lang/help/
15:48:45	FromGitter	<dom96> botbot will lose out on years of history
15:49:03	Yardanico	dom96: they're configuring every channel separately
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15:49:35	FromGitter	<dom96> not sure what you mean by that
15:49:39	Yardanico	"We manually setup logging for each channel. This process takes time."
15:49:48	Yardanico	maybe we can talk with them so we can convert irclogs to their format
15:49:52	Yardanico	and they can import that
15:49:58	Yardanico	btw, it's open source (in go) https://github.com/botbotme
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15:50:09	FromGitter	<dom96> But seriously, have you guys tried using Google? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Airclogs.nim-lang.org+wrapping+C%2B%2B&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=nsnoWZKDDorSXrm5p9gH
15:50:27	FromGitter	<dom96> Go? Blasphemy
15:50:44	Yardanico	dom96: compare google with this: https://botbot.me/freenode/pypy/search/?q=wrapping+c%2B%2B
15:50:58	Yardanico	and you even get a nice timeline here
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15:51:59	Yardanico	https://botbot.me/freenode/pypy/search/?q=Nim
15:52:07	Yardanico	spotted libman here :P
15:53:10	kd	With botbot.me you can click into the time on a search item, and jump into the conversation. Which has been handy for me in the past.
15:54:17	Yardanico	dom96: btw, does nimbot save backups of irc logs?
15:54:28	Yardanico	and are they available to download?
15:54:45	kd	I guess that's mainly because some conversations start at the end of a day and continue on the next day.
15:54:56	FromGitter	<dom96> what do you mean by backups?
15:55:19	Yardanico	well if something very bad would happen to digitalocean
15:55:30	Yardanico	do you have any backups so you can restore irc log history?
15:55:43	FromGitter	<dom96> well, I've got Digital Ocean backups :)
15:55:45	FromGitter	<dom96> but yes
15:55:56	FromGitter	<dom96> bbl
15:55:59	kd	Yardanico: do you know if botbot.me is free for setting up a channel?
15:56:09	Yardanico	kd, yes, it's free as you can see on their website
15:56:17	Yardanico	but you need to be an OP on the channel
15:56:27	Yardanico	https://botbot.me/request/
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15:57:00	Yardanico	maybe just rewrite botbot in Nim ? xD
15:57:43	kd	dom96: would you be opposed to having botbot.me in addition to the current nimbot irc logger?
15:58:00	Yardanico	yeah, that would be nice
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16:02:57	FromGitter	<Varriount> Why would we need two irc loggers?
16:03:29	Yardanico	Varriount: well, botbot.me is (IMO) better than irclogs.nim-lang.org
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16:06:28	kd	I think this is akin to having gitter and IRC channels. Different people have different workflows, and some may just prefer using botbot.me for searching.
16:07:37	kd	The botbot.me one need not even be linked in IRC header, as long it is available for the people who want it to use.
16:07:41	kd	Thoughts?
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16:07:52	Yardanico	botbot.me is actually *faster* than gitter
16:08:09	Yardanico	I mean website responsiveness :)
16:10:21	kd	I too like botbot.me a lot, based on use from at least two other projects. It's been really useful to scroll through history and hear what people's thoughts were. In fact, that's the first thing I looked for when I joined this channel. It'll be ideal if this chat history can be ported there as well, if botbot.me is going to be set up.
16:11:07	Yardanico	maybe we can convince Araq to start making a brand-new irc logs website with karax+ormin on next stream ? :)
16:11:16	Yardanico	!m
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16:19:06	FromGitter	<BigEpsilon> @Araq , updated the PR for c2nim https://github.com/nim-lang/c2nim/pull/113 , I think without it c2nim cannot be installed
16:20:14	Yardanico	(on devel)
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16:22:42	FromGitter	<BigEpsilon> Yes I missed that because I'm always on devel for nim and c2nim, they move fast
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16:36:26	livcd	when does the stream start ?
16:36:50	Yardanico	livcd, 19:00 UTC
16:37:13	livcd	ah few more hours to go :)
16:37:21	Yardanico	livcd, yeah
16:37:45	Yardanico	http://www.strawpoll.me/14163114/r 140 votes :)
16:38:28	dom96	https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20171019T19&p0=%3A&msg=Araq%27s+livestream&font=cursive
16:38:43	Yardanico	lol
16:38:58	Yardanico	I like that font
16:41:11	Yardanico	should probably post to /r/programming in 10 minutes before stream starting :)
16:41:16	Yardanico	or when it starts :P
16:41:31	Yardanico	I want to see at least 30 on a viewer counter
16:43:37	enthus1ast	or a "autosozialiser" which does all that automatically
16:45:42	dom96	Post it around 30 minutes before and give it a title similar to "Once this post is 30 minutes old, Nim's BDFL stream will start"
16:45:48	dom96	Maybe you can word that better
16:46:25	*	dom96 wonder's if his stream will receive the same help
16:46:33	FromGitter	<cooldome> i
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17:18:57	livcd	dom96: wow you work for FB :O
17:20:26	dom96	Well, I interned there over the summer.
17:20:37	dom96	Finishing my CS degree at the minute
17:20:53	dom96	I will be going back to FB after I graduate though :)
17:22:03	livcd	so will Nim get some sweet FB $$$ ?
17:22:04	Yardanico	dom96, advertise nim for them lol :D
17:22:09	Yardanico	livcd, ecksdee
17:23:15	livcd	dom96: will you also doo a stream in polish ?
17:23:28	Yardanico	livcd, waaat?!
17:23:33	Yardanico	dom96 can speak polish?
17:24:09	dom96	Of course, I'm Polish :)
17:24:18	Yardanico	I didn't knew about that one
17:24:40	Yardanico	that means we can sometimes understand each other because polish and russian are both slavic languages :P
17:24:51	dom96	livcd: I don't think so, it would end up 60% English and 40% Polish because I know so little Polish words for comp sci. terminology.
17:25:15	ipjk	I thought you were Irish
17:25:25	livcd	citizen of the world
17:25:34	dom96	Yardanico: Indeed. It's why I wrote "Na stole" that time you've written it in Cyrillic (it looked very similar to me)
17:25:38	Yardanico	I thought dom96 was from England :P
17:26:10	Yardanico	well I mean United Kingdom
17:26:15	livcd	Yardanico: there are lots of poles in england / uk lol
17:26:30	livcd	dom96: sure i hate the direct translations of comp sci terms anyway
17:26:34	dom96	I've lived in Northern Ireland since 2005 :)
17:26:43	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> I'm a quarter polish and can speak 0
17:26:50	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> :P
17:26:55	livcd	you are an american ?
17:27:02	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> aye
17:27:11	planetis[m]	about nimble: when installing a package at which commit does it clone the repo?
17:27:13	livcd	ah only an american would say "a quarter polish" lol
17:27:20	livcd	no offense :)
17:27:25	ipjk	Haha, yeah. Sounds so American.
17:27:27	Yardanico	planetis[m], usually at latest version tag
17:27:27	dom96	planetis[m]: latest tagged version or HEAD if no tags exist.
17:27:41	Yardanico	you can also force-install HEAD
17:27:48	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> well you can't really say you're American if you're from America
17:28:05	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> because no one that lives in America is originally from America, unless you are a native American
17:28:18	planetis[m]	makes sense why I had a old bug thx
17:28:39	FromGitter	<mratsim> “old bug”, 2 weeks old ? ;)
17:28:59	ipjk	We got quite the mixes in Europe too, but we don't really mention those heritages.
17:29:17	planetis[m]	like 2 years old
17:29:27	livcd	zacharycarter: i thought native americans just got there earlier than white europeans :P
17:29:28	FromGitter	<mratsim> well everyone’s ancestors are supposedly coming from mesopotamia so ...
17:29:28	planetis[m]	actually
17:29:37	Yardanico	Africa
17:29:47	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> yeah I mean if you want to get technical
17:29:48	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> we're all African
17:30:05	livcd	i just wanted to be the pain in the ass european
17:30:09	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> :P
17:30:36	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> @dom96 I'm curious about this webdriver thing - is it similar to what selenium is?
17:30:58	dom96	zacharycarter: sure, it's basically a lower level selenium I guess.
17:31:11	dom96	It implements a new spec which is also called webdriver
17:31:14	FromGitter	<mratsim> oh, interesting
17:31:22	dom96	Currently it seems that only Firefox supports it though
17:31:28	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> neat! right now I'm using - http://devexpress.github.io/testcafe/ - to write end to end tests for our product that launches next week
17:31:35	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> ahh okay
17:32:01	FromGitter	<mratsim> now we need a proxy list and randomly launch browsers obfuscated by that list and all growth hackers would love you
17:32:22	Yardanico	dom96, are you sure ChromeDriver doesn't implement it?
17:32:39	dom96	Yardanico: I ran it in my stream, weren't you watching? :)
17:32:47	Yardanico	dom96, I was, but still
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17:36:48	dom96	The protocol is similar but different https://youtu.be/583BwZ7uSro?list=PLm-fq5xBdPkrMuVkPWuho7XzszB6kJ2My&t=4779
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17:37:25	Yardanico	similar but different :) only programmers can understand
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17:44:30	Yardanico	why matrix disconnects all its client from time to time?
17:44:35	Yardanico	*clients
17:44:44	Yardanico	from IRC bridge
17:44:46	dom96	The server that relays the messages must be dying
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17:53:03	shodan45	http://devdocs.io/ is my new favorite site
17:53:16	shodan45	(yes, it has nim!)
17:53:28	Yardanico	shodan45, we already know that :P
17:53:35	Yardanico	and their docs are not updated for 0.17.2 :(
17:53:53	shodan45	aw I didn't notice that
17:54:38	livcd	ah i bought dash long time ago
17:57:10	shodan45	Yardanico: just checked their code... it's written in ruby & actually scrapes sites to get its info
17:57:20	Yardanico	lol
17:57:31	Yardanico	not the cleanest solution I want to say
17:57:49	shodan45	yeah, that wouldn't be my first approach
17:58:05	shodan45	I'd never use ruby :P
17:58:38	livcd	so what would be your approach?
18:00:09	Yardanico	livcd, some languages actually have a nice doc generation - like nim
18:00:12	Yardanico	you can generate rst docs
18:00:14	Yardanico	or even json
18:00:57	livcd	Yardanico: ok but maybe they wanted a universal generic solution
18:01:10	Yardanico	livcd, it's not universal if you need to scrape websites
18:01:21	Yardanico	all websites are different too :)
18:04:23	shodan45	livcd: I'd use a build system to download the actual source code of the docs & regenerate them to fit my needs
18:06:54	Yardanico	but yeah, devdocs is cool
18:06:59	Yardanico	found a great vscode extension for it
18:07:12	Yardanico	disable all other languages than nim + enabled night theme on devdocs = profit
18:07:45	livcd	Yardanico: oh i meant more like a generic approach how to get the feed of data
18:10:08	livcd	Yardanico: i guess i think of it as a path of least resistance
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18:13:11	shodan45	Yardanico: I set it up as a search provider in firefox, with a keyword. Now I can just type "dd foo" to search.
18:13:30	Yardanico	well it's better if you can search in docs while you're in your editor :)
18:13:56	livcd	does that work with devdocs ?
18:14:24	shodan45	hm, true. I don't use a "browser editor" tho ;)
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18:14:44	Yardanico	livcd, it generally works with any website where you can have a query request: "somefoowebsite.com/?q=searchhere"
18:15:37	livcd	Yardanico: i meant search while you are in your editor
18:15:40	dom96	So YouTube exports look like shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4RvUlXIDI
18:15:57	Yardanico	dom96, I can't even view it
18:16:02	dom96	refresh
18:16:14	Yardanico	livcd, https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=akfish.vscode-devdocs
18:16:28	Yardanico	dom96, and what is shit here ? :)
18:16:40	dom96	It's 360p!
18:16:42	livcd	Yardanico: ah like this ok
18:16:44	Yardanico	dom96, no
18:16:48	livcd	dom96: it's okay for me
18:16:50	Yardanico	it's already 720p
18:16:51	dom96	oh
18:16:55	Yardanico	dom96, did you never use youtube?
18:16:57	dom96	what
18:17:03	Yardanico	it doesn't do 720p right away
18:17:21	Yardanico	it takes some time to youtube to process higher quality versions
18:17:46	dom96	Glad it's fine.
18:17:52	livcd	yup it just takes some time :)
18:18:27	livcd	but i bet it's gonna be very slow in Oceania/Korea
18:18:30	Yardanico	livcd, I've just added a keyboard shortcut (ctrl + f1) to devdocs.search action
18:18:46	dom96	I guess I never looked at it so quickly :)
18:18:58	livcd	Yardanico: now i regret buying dash :)
18:19:06	Yardanico	so I press ctrl+f1, type something, and devdocs sends me right away to the interesting place
18:19:07	Yardanico	e.g.
18:19:14	Yardanico	i type parsecfg - devdocs opens parsecfg docs
18:19:26	livcd	Yardanico: but there's no offline mode is it ?
18:19:30	Yardanico	livcd, there is
18:19:50	ipjk_	There's an open-source dash-clone
18:19:58	Yardanico	livcd, you can install offline data of the languages you want
18:20:05	livcd	ok stop
18:20:09	Yardanico	:D
18:20:14	livcd	dont make me regret it even more :P
18:21:35	livcd	there's no Nim in dash eh
18:21:39	livcd	only crystal :)
18:21:59	ipjk_	https://github.com/zealdocs/zeal
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18:23:22	livcd	ipjk_: ah it uses dash's docsets
18:23:31	Yardanico	I'll post a comment at devdocs trello board so they will update nim docs
18:23:57	livcd	actually i saw a hnews post about these today
18:24:06	livcd	(or similar)
18:27:12	dom96	Cool. I can trim videos on YouTube
18:32:21	Yardanico	Araq, are you preparing to your stream ? :)
18:32:42	Yardanico	guys, can you post to /r/programming when Araq starts streaming ? :D
18:33:40	livcd	i do not have an account :S
18:34:09	Yardanico	well
18:34:15	Yardanico	we need to make a good title for it
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18:37:42	PMunch	I can do it :)
18:37:52	Yardanico	PMunch, do it!
18:37:55	Yardanico	but not now
18:38:00	Yardanico	only when araq starts streaming
18:38:13	Yardanico	I'll immediatly get a notification when he starts streaming
18:38:24	PMunch	Any title ideas+
18:38:27	dom96	Yardanico: Why don't you do it?
18:38:28	PMunch	s/+/?
18:38:34	Yardanico	dom96, I can't think of a good title for it :P
18:38:49	PMunch	Haha, we can brainstorm a title together
18:39:13	PMunch	It was destructors that became the theme right?
18:39:25	Yardanico	PMunch, yeah
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18:39:40	Yardanico	it was the favourite in a poll timeline
18:39:50	Yardanico	http://www.strawpoll.me/14163114
18:39:57	Yardanico	http://www.strawpoll.me/14163114/r
18:40:10	dom96	What if I were to now use Tor to cheat the poll? :P
18:40:42	Yardanico	dom96, araq has already decided it I think
18:40:53	Yardanico	and yeah, I 100% bet there are tools to cheat on strawpoll
18:40:59	PMunch	How about "Nim compiler development - Implementing destructors"
18:41:12	PMunch	Maybe add a [Stream] on the front
18:41:21	Yardanico	probably [Twitch] ?
18:41:29	PMunch	Yeah, or that
18:41:39	Yardanico	and not implementing
18:41:43	Yardanico	maybe "improving"
18:41:44	dom96	Maybe add "(starts at 19:00 UTC)"
18:42:03	Yardanico	PMunch, yeah, you can post now *maybe*
18:42:18	Yardanico	but we'll need to get 10-15 upvotes to have it on top
18:42:20	Yardanico	so people can see it
18:42:59	PMunch	Is it really an improvement though? More like a new feature
18:43:09	Yardanico	ah, yes
18:43:11	dom96	I'll try to post it to HN but I doubt it will get any traction
18:43:16	dom96	Couldn't hurt to try though right?
18:43:19	Yardanico	dom96, yep
18:43:26	Yardanico	PMunch, it generally allows to have GC-less objects
18:43:30	Yardanico	such as strings and sequences
18:43:38	PMunch	[Twitch] Nim language development - Implementing destructors
18:43:45	Yardanico	hmmm
18:44:05	Yardanico	I don't really like "implementing" again, because araq has already made them
18:44:05	dom96	I will post when it starts though
18:44:07	Yardanico	they already work
18:44:08	miran	stream announcement might not be good enoguh theme for HN
18:44:20	Yardanico	maybe "working on destructors"
18:44:25	Yardanico	maybe "working on new destructors"
18:44:53	PMunch	Well, destructors aren't part of the language yet
18:45:05	dom96	"Implementing" is fine IMO
18:45:29	Yardanico	PMunch, you can access new destructors with --newruntime :P
18:45:30	PMunch	So it's about implementing a new feature. Doesn't matter if it's half-way implemented already
18:45:35	Yardanico	ok
18:45:52	PMunch	On the development branch only, no?
18:45:54	Arrrr	Is Araq streaming?
18:46:00	Yardanico	not yet
18:46:02	Yardanico	PMunch, yes
18:46:04	Yardanico	as usual :P
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18:46:29	PMunch	So "[Twitch] Nim language development - Implementing destructors" it is then?
18:46:36	Yardanico	yep
18:46:39	Yardanico	post it now probably
18:47:00	PMunch	URL?
18:47:13	Yardanico	PMunch, twitch.tv/araq4k
18:47:36	Yardanico	well I don't think Araq will turn stream on exactly at 19:00 UTC
18:48:10	PMunch	"[Twitch] Nim language development - Implementing destructors (starts at ~19:00 UTC)"
18:48:33	Yardanico	a bit too long :P
18:48:41	Yardanico	but probably fine
18:48:52	Yardanico	yeah
18:48:55	Yardanico	there are titles like "Mozilla brings Microsoft, Google, the W3C, Samsung together to create cross-browser documentation on MDN ("
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18:49:21	Arrrr	foo bar
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18:49:47	Arrrr	i see a bridge. How hard is to configure a bot in twitch?
18:49:47	Yardanico	Arrrr, are you testing twitch-irc bridge?
18:49:53	Yardanico	Arrrr, pretty easy
18:49:56	Yardanico	it's just IRC
18:50:03	Yardanico	Arrrr, https://github.com/Yardanico/twitchrelay
18:50:14	Yardanico	I'm running this at my VPS currently
18:50:14	PMunch	Should I post it now? Are people ready to upvote? :P
18:50:18	Yardanico	PMunch, yeah
18:51:25	PMunch	https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/77gjs2/twitch_nim_language_development_implementing/
18:51:53	Yardanico	Araq, are you around ? :)
18:52:18	Arrrr	I don't think streams are well received in r/programming
18:52:25	Yardanico	Arrrr, we can try :P
18:52:29	miran	+1
18:53:34	FromTwitch	<kobi2187> Hi
18:53:42	Arrrr	Instead of "FromIRC" i would name the bot "#nim" if that's possible
18:53:51	Yardanico	Arrrr, I don't think that's possible
18:53:55	FromTwitch	<kobi2187> will we get to see how to destroy nim properly? :-)
18:54:06	Yardanico	Arrrr, I'll change it to FromIRC[nim] in the future
18:54:18	Yardanico	so in irc you would for example see FromTwitch[araq4k]
18:54:21	Arrrr	The name is too long in my opinion, that's the issue
18:54:28	PMunch	kobi2187 haha, not quite
18:54:33	miran	too long, agreed
18:54:48	Yardanico	need to register new twitch account, fast :P
18:54:57	Yardanico	what nickname would you recommend guyS?
18:55:13	dom96	"IRC" :P
18:55:47	miran	nimIRC
18:55:57	Yardanico	ok
18:55:59	Yardanico	1 char less
18:55:59	Yardanico	lol
18:56:04	dom96	IMO FromIRC is fine
18:56:08	dom96	to be honest
18:56:10	Arrrr	FreeNode
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18:57:09	miran	couple of characters less than FromIRC[nim] ;)
18:57:22	Yardanico	miran, it's FromIRC
18:57:30	Yardanico	I didn't do FromIRC[nim] thing yet
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18:57:38	Yardanico	it would only be needed for multi-channel setup
18:58:16	Yardanico	upvote pls https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/77gjs2/twitch_nim_language_development_implementing/
18:58:20	oprypin	relaying chat from Twitch? what could possibly go wrong
18:58:20	Yardanico	this post
18:58:30	Yardanico	oprypin, xD
18:58:37	PMunch	oprypin, it's an experiment :)
18:58:40	Yardanico	I can change it to relay to #nim-offtopic quickly
18:58:46	Yardanico	and yeah, it's an experiment
18:58:49	Yardanico	or disable it at all
18:58:54	Arrrr	There is a similar bridge with gitter
18:59:00	Yardanico	FromGitter,
18:59:01	FromGitter	Yardanico, I'm a bot, *bleep, bloop*. I relay messages between here and https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim
18:59:10	Yardanico	I should add a thing like that to my bot too
18:59:39	dom96	Yardanico: nah, leave it here
18:59:41	dom96	It's fine
18:59:49	Yardanico	dom96, well, I don't say "now"
18:59:52	Yardanico	in the future :P
19:00:08	dom96	ahh, cool
19:00:16	Yardanico	YAY
19:00:18	Yardanico	araq has started!
19:00:25	FromTwitch	<kobi2187> yep
19:00:54	FromTwitch	<yardanico> Hi Araq!
19:01:09	miran	zoom in please, as usual :)
19:02:19	FromTwitch	<d0m96> where did the chat go from the screen?
19:02:35	FromTwitch	<yardanico> it's there
19:02:35	FromTwitch	<d0m96> oh, it's not persistent :\
19:04:11	Arrrr	Mmm interesting https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink
19:04:32	miran	Araq: please zoom in a bit for us to better see the code
19:05:41	FromTwitch	<d0m96> zoom in! FlipThis
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19:08:45	Yardanico	30 viewers! :)
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19:15:20	Arrrr	For those wondering what's going on, twitch.tv/araq4k
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19:25:20	PMunch	The blinking HexChat icon is a bit annoying..
19:25:36	PMunch	He says, typing into the very thing that makes it blink :P
19:25:43	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Glad I'm not the only one... :)
19:26:06	FromTwitch	<d0m96> I wouldn't be able to concentrate with that blinking constantly.
19:26:39	PMunch	Araq seems to have more trouble concentrating when we talk
19:27:05	miran	congrats on mentioning him and make blinking start again :D
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19:34:46	FromTwitch	<yardanico> because of grow?
19:36:56	FromTwitch	<cooldome> template createSeq?
19:39:22	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Sorry for the distraction. But Araq, in the future you should add your stream to the programming twitch community.
19:40:13	FromGitter	<mratsim> “creative"
19:40:57	FromTwitch	<pmunche> Yardanico, this IRC -> Twitch bot is working pretty well :)
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19:41:05	Yardanico	yeah, it seems so :)
19:41:32	FromTwitch	<yardanico> BTW, it's RAM usage is only ~8mb (compiled in debug mode)
19:42:00	PMunch	Nice
19:42:12	PMunch	Not that I would expect it to be very high :P
19:42:14	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Yep, Nim is awesome. Now we just need to rewrite FromGitter in Nim ;)
19:42:17	PMunch	It's just piping text back and forth
19:42:19	FromTwitch	<karyoten> Well it's not an Electron app ;)
19:42:36	PMunch	d0m96, it's not in Nim :o
19:42:54	PMunch	How is it even allowed in this channel! Blasphemy!
19:43:25	FromTwitch	<hcorion> heyy
19:43:28	FromTwitch	<karyoten> we need to call destructors on the bot?
19:43:31	FromTwitch	<hcorion> my first nim livestream
19:43:45	FromTwitch	<yardanico> @KaryoTen we need to destruct ALL the unneeded variables!
19:43:45	FromTwitch	<karyoten> aka "move or sink"
19:43:51	PMunch	hcorion, welcome!
19:43:56	FromTwitch	<karyoten> (by the way it's mratsim)
19:44:29	PMunch	Yardanico, you should add a register username mapping function to the bot :P
19:44:58	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Crashing the compiler: h3h3Triggered1 h3h3Triggered2 h3h3Triggered3
19:46:04	PMunch	You and your fancy emoticons d0m96
19:46:07	FromTwitch	<karyoten> This is magic
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19:46:30	FromTwitch	<yardanico> this is our future!
19:47:04	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Yardanico, you submitted Araq's blog post but not his stream to r/nim? h3h3Oppression
19:47:11	FromTwitch	<yardanico> oh
19:47:50	FromTwitch	<pmunche> Yeah that should probably also be cross-posted :P
19:48:08	FromTwitch	<pmunche> I think we just assumed that the entire Nim community reads IRC/Gitter
19:49:28	FromGitter	<mratsim> In the blog post: "Return values are harmful" —> “Return values considered harmful"
19:50:39	PMunch	indices
19:50:41	FromTwitch	<d0m96> indices
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19:50:56	FromTwitch	<kobi2187> nobody knows .. indices is really fine
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19:54:27	FromTwitch	<kobi2187> you can use Ctrl+G to jump to lines in vscode
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20:09:49	skrylar	considering harmful considered harmful
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20:10:14	Yardanico	skrylar, are you watching the stream ? :)
20:10:23	skrylar	no
20:10:48	PMunch	Hmm, in Karax how do I get the selectedIndex from a select element?
20:11:06	Yardanico	PMunch, that's when real issues with this bot pop up :P
20:11:13	PMunch	Yeah..
20:11:43	PMunch	I think having a separate room #nim-twitch or something could work
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20:19:49	skrylar	pondering how well training a machine using constraint logic works
20:20:05	skrylar	ex. i don't know what the interim means, i only know that "dog is dead" == "dog is not alive"
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20:23:10	FromGitter	<mratsim> there’s a question about Nim RAII in /r/programming: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/77gjs2/twitch_nim_language_development_implementing/
20:26:38	FromTwitch	<d0m96> I think Araq should answer the question.
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20:26:45	FromTwitch	<d0m96> Araq: A reddit user asked "Does Nim not have RAII?"
20:27:18	FromTwitch	<d0m96> bah
20:27:20	crem	It doesn't!
20:27:24	Yardanico	it does
20:27:26	crem	I even heard a reason.
20:27:43	crem	Last time I asked, it didn't.
20:27:46	Yardanico	crem, there are destructors already
20:27:53	Yardanico	so it's *kinda* like RAII
20:28:04	Yardanico	Araq, will you have a topic about opt[] on your next stream?
20:28:09	Yardanico	anyway, good stream!
20:28:12	crem	Wow, destructors is a nice step towards constructors!
20:28:28	Yardanico	crem, they was there like 2 years ago
20:28:33	Yardanico	and no, there wouldn't be constructors
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20:28:53	Yardanico	goodbye twitch bot
20:28:55	FromGitter	<mratsim> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/362/1
20:30:25	Yardanico	crem, did you watch the stream?
20:30:30	crem	nope
20:30:37	crem	I will
20:30:52	Yardanico	it's already ended :P
20:30:56	Yardanico	only a recording
20:31:16	crem	that's good enough, I can watch it at 2x speed then.
20:32:10	Yardanico	top viewer count for Araq's stream was ~42-45
20:32:13	Yardanico	(today)
20:32:14	crem	But is it possible to implement a scoped mutex, or scoped file access, so that file is closed even if you forget to write "defer file.close()" ?
20:32:34	Yardanico	crem, are you talking about a python-like with statement ? :)
20:32:51	crem	I'm talking about C++ RAII
20:32:55	crem	But yes, kind of
20:33:09	Yardanico	well, for python "with" you can (guess what? :D) create a simple macro
20:33:25	Yardanico	crem, you can always ask all your questions on the forum
20:33:53	crem	What I like about C++'s RAII is that standard lib also is implemented with it in mind.
20:34:40	Yardanico	crem, you can read about new destructor stuff here: https://nim-lang.org/araq/destructors.html
20:34:42	crem	And I didn't mean to ask, I just tried to understand what "there is RAII in nim" means. Because few months ago I was told that there was no, and was convinced that that's fine.
20:34:53	Yardanico	well this blog post is not only about destructors
20:35:38	crem	How can I know whether that's something new or not when there's no date of the post..
20:35:45	Yardanico	it's from today
20:35:49	Yardanico	and there's a date
20:35:49	crem	ah
20:35:54	Yardanico	crem, Generated: 2017-10-19 00:43:05 UTC
20:35:55	Yardanico	at the bottom
20:36:04	crem	I though "generated" is something from cron job.
20:36:09	crem	and updated regularly
20:36:30	Yardanico	noo
20:36:32	Yardanico	it's from nim
20:37:44	crem	I think it should be "emitted" rather than "generated" as probably Araq emits articles rather than generates them.. Um, hard to say. Yes, may be generated is actually better word.
20:37:58	crem	Does nim compiler emit or generate C code?..
20:37:58	Yardanico	crem, well he uses nim doc engine probably
20:38:01	ipjk	or just posted.
20:38:05	Yardanico	crem, stop pls
20:38:38	Yardanico	crem, it writes C code :D
20:39:00	ipjk	no, please. it barfs out C.
20:39:02	Araq	watching at 2x the speed is probably a good idea :D
20:39:38	Yardanico	Araq, let me guess... next stream's topic will be "opt" type ? :)
20:39:39	PMunch	Haha on Araqs blog - Barfed out: 2017-10-19 00:43:05 UTC
20:39:45	Yardanico	or karax * ormin
20:39:48	Yardanico	PMunch, XD
20:40:00	ipjk	PMunch: I like that!
20:40:02	FromGitter	<BontaVlad> I voted karax
20:40:08	FromGitter	<BontaVlad> more close to "home"
20:40:13	PMunch	But I'm off to bed now. Nice stream Araq by the way!
20:40:17	Yardanico	BontaVlad: well we will have another poll for next stream
20:40:27	Yardanico	Araq probably would post another poll today or tomorrow
20:40:40	Yardanico	so all of us can vote
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20:41:18	FromGitter	<BontaVlad> great, thx for the streams, Araq and Dom :)
20:41:27	PMunch	Did some more work on genui today as well, got edit types with selections (think comboboxes). Hopefully tomorrow I will get around to the custom type UI generation, then it's finally time for the DSL :)
20:41:37	Yardanico	PMunch, yay
20:41:39	dom96	I'll post a poll for my next stream soon
20:41:44	Yardanico	dom96, ok
20:41:59	Yardanico	dom96, don't forget to post it on nim forum/nim reddit
20:42:02	Yardanico	and in IRC
20:42:12	livcd	did the stream end ? i feel asleep..too tired
20:42:16	livcd	i fell*
20:42:25	Yardanico	livcd, yeah
20:42:34	Yardanico	it was ~90 minutes long
20:42:42	Yardanico	because destructors are a very complicated topic
20:42:53	PMunch	Yardanico, did you see the proposal for the DSL by the way? I'd be happy if you gave some input on it. Not sure if it makes sense at all or if I should do something more like "Edit(variable = a, options = myList)"
20:42:59	Yardanico	I finally understood this from Araq's live stream
20:43:03	livcd	ah i will watch it at work when it will be up on twitch
20:43:18	Yardanico	livcd, it won't be on twitch, it will be on youtube
20:43:25	crem	Was it on dom96's youtube channel?
20:43:29	Yardanico	crem, no
20:43:45	Yardanico	crem, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAIXKsgiEkRjwlNgduABgmw
20:43:53	livcd	Yardanico: ah ok
20:44:17	dom96	PMunch: can you link the proposal again?
20:44:25	crem	There's nothing from today on that channel.
20:44:51	Yardanico	crem, yes
20:44:57	Yardanico	crem, araq has just finished
20:45:02	PMunch	dom96, https://github.com/PMunch/genui/issues/1
20:45:10	crem	And also probably some channel modes are off, so there's no "uploads" page..
20:45:15	crem	So, will recording appear later?
20:45:20	Yardanico	crem, yes
20:45:29	Araq	crem, gonna upload it tomorrow
20:45:31	Yardanico	Araq always needs to cut some small parts from the stream
20:45:32	PMunch	I think that might be a bit too complex though.. Lot's of things that aren't really explained
20:45:40	PMunch	But as I said, I'm off to bed
20:45:58	livcd	gn i cant stake awake
20:46:01	livcd	stay*
20:46:08	PMunch	Leave a memo with MemoServ or a comment on the issue if any of you have input :)
20:46:11	dom96	You can export via Twitch (but you need to enable Twitch archives) and then cut via YouTube's editor
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20:51:34	dom96	Okay, let's go for this: http://www.strawpoll.me/14185591
20:52:13	Araq	guess who voted already
20:52:16	Araq	and for what
20:53:55	dom96	:)
20:54:16	FromGitter	<zetashift> Voted for stdlib bugs too whoop whoop
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20:59:54	Yardanico	I've voted for IRC user list :P
21:00:05	Yardanico	because it's useful for me
21:00:44	crem	Who needs stdlib when you cannot even see replay of snake's high score?
21:00:49	dom96	damn it, Araq set the trend
21:00:53	Yardanico	dom96, yep
21:00:55	Yardanico	:DDDD
21:01:00	dom96	crem: I know, right?
21:01:08	Yardanico	dom96, sooo.. no going back :D
21:02:04	crem	I did play snake, got around 120. High score there is ~500, must be superchallenging, so fun to watch.
21:02:11	Yardanico	crem, or a bot
21:02:22	Yardanico	crem, (I'm about highscore)
21:02:33	crem	yeah, I thought about writing a bot in python too..
21:03:12	Yardanico	crem, why python though? :) bot for game, written in nim, written in nim
21:03:14	Yardanico	*for the
21:03:30	Yardanico	we have all needed libraries (only websockets is needed lul)
21:03:37	crem	I'm pretty sure that it would take less time for me to write it in python.
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21:04:24	Yardanico	dom96, no one have votes for jester yet :P
21:04:25	Yardanico	lol
21:04:58	crem	If I knew what jester was..
21:05:54	gokr	crem: https://github.com/dom96/jester
21:06:02	crem	Does that strawpoll support Schulze method?
21:06:02	crem	Seems no..
21:06:08	Yardanico	schulze?
21:06:30	crem	Yeah, it's more fair than majority vote.
21:06:35	Yardanico	how?
21:06:40	dom96	Do you guys have Araq's YT link handy?
21:06:43	Yardanico	dom96, yep
21:07:00	Yardanico	dom96, lol
21:07:01	Yardanico	https://www.reddit.com/r/nim/comments/77hd29/what_should_d0m96_work_on_in_his_next_nim/
21:07:10	crem	Yardanico: https://modernballots.com/ see two diagrams on top.
21:07:20	dom96	:D
21:07:25	dom96	Yardanico: Can you give me the link...?
21:07:29	Yardanico	yes
21:07:35	Yardanico	one sec
21:07:46	Yardanico	dom96, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAIXKsgiEkRjwlNgduABgmw
21:07:54	crem	Easy to remember.
21:08:33	Yardanico	crem, but it's easier for people to vote if they only have 1 choice
21:08:40	Yardanico	and they don't need to put stars or stuff like that
21:11:03	Yardanico	we're not electing our new BDFL (because we'll never do that :D), so strawpoll is enough for polls like that :P
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21:13:13	crem	I didn't suggest you to use that, only checked whether strawpoll supported it because it looked nice.
21:13:28	Yardanico	crem, well it's a very simple service
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21:21:30	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> coming soon : https://www.patreon.com/zacharycarter
21:23:29	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> along w/ livestreams
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21:32:03	Yardanico	so you see how one idea can actually attract many people
21:32:17	Yardanico	dom did a livestream about nim programming
21:32:19	Yardanico	araq did that
21:32:25	Yardanico	and now zacharycarter is doing that
21:32:34	Yardanico	(but I did that before everyone else, haha)
21:34:27	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> :P
21:34:29	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> I'm going to do 3d modeling too
21:34:34	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> along with Nim game programming
21:34:37	Yardanico	I was streaming on liveedu in the spring (in april)
21:34:48	Yardanico	but I'm afraid to use my mic
21:36:13	Yardanico	'cause my english speaking (I mean talking and pronuncation) skills kinda suck
21:36:14	FromGitter	<zetashift> @zacharycarter in Modo?
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21:45:30	dom96	Soon we'll need a "Current Livestreams" section on nim-lang.org :D
21:46:38	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> @zetashift yup!
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21:55:44	FromGitter	<zetashift> sweet
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22:09:57	Yardanico	yay
22:10:02	Yardanico	matrix is back :P
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22:23:44	Demos[m]	glad to see another user
22:23:54	Demos[m]	someone should write a matrix client in nim!
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22:24:07	Yardanico	Demos[m], I'm not a matrix user
22:24:22	Yardanico	just saw today a whole bunch of matrix clients disconnected
22:24:29	Yardanico	and now you all connected
22:24:35	Yardanico	wtf is happening with your irc-matrix bridge?
22:24:50	FromGitter	<zacharycarter> wut is matrix?
22:25:01	Demos[m]	lol
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22:31:23	federico3	irc-matrix bridge? Freenode and matrix are already federated
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22:38:17	Yardanico	federico3, well yeah, what's that I mean
22:38:25	Yardanico	federico3, but it's still techically a bridge
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