| 00:01:10 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://github.com/OpenSystemsLab/q.nim for instance |
| 00:01:23 | * | qwr would use the case object, if there is only certain types needed (any type is usually not very useful anyway, as you can't do much with random bytes without knowning their format) |
| 00:02:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea Union is easier than case objects in that case https://github.com/alaviss/union |
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| 02:00:36 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpg |
| 02:02:31 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well whatever you're trying to do is very wrong |
| 02:02:56 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> it should be something like `l[x.len .. x.len + 7]` or something similar |
| 02:04:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> and then there will be the issue that removePrefix is an inplace operation |
| 02:04:23 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "it should be something": i want it to remove all chars up to the end of `"url":` |
| 02:04:38 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Ok so what's the input data? |
| 02:04:52 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Ok so what's the": some html |
| 02:05:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I mean provide an example |
| 02:05:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Attempting to reason off of 3 lines of code and give an adequate solution is an exercise and a half |
| 02:05:36 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fph |
| 02:05:58 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> basically im trying to get the first github link that shows when i send a get request to github with "awesome nim" |
| 02:06:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> This is needlessly string op heavy π |
| 02:06:51 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lol im just trying to get the hang of stringutils and http requests right now |
| 02:07:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Give me a minute and i'll give you a cleaner solution |
| 02:07:19 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> im just having a hard time splitting the the target url(inside of `l`) from the rest of the html(`l`) |
| 02:07:24 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> alright |
| 02:11:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpi something like this is more sane |
| 02:13:52 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> in one word, wow |
| 02:13:59 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> significantly more compressed |
| 02:14:27 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> it doesnt check if the link is a repo though |
| 02:14:36 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> but other than that its good |
| 02:14:38 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I mean that's easy |
| 02:14:42 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> yea |
| 02:15:02 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i kinda forgot that the element was a link hehe... |
| 02:15:09 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> thanks for the help |
| 02:15:21 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Check if `l.attr("payload")` has a length \> 0 and then parse the payload to json then check that information |
| 02:15:26 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I do have an impl done here that does that π |
| 02:15:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Or not π |
| 02:16:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Ah it's more complicated than that |
| 02:16:22 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Check if `l.attr("payload")` has": i think ill just stick to the plain href π |
| 02:16:37 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Lol i'll show the impl when it's working in a minute |
| 02:16:48 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> ok |
| 02:18:22 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> also, didnt know you could use brackets to import multiple things at once |
| 02:18:45 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> but whats the difference between adding and not adding `std/`? |
| 02:18:50 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> seems to work for me |
| 02:19:05 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It's better practice to use `std/` as newer modules force it |
| 02:19:14 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> And it ensures you dont have an overlap from your own modules |
| 02:19:34 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> oh alright |
| 02:20:46 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpk |
| 02:20:48 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There you go |
| 02:21:25 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Much less silly and more clear than using strutils for json/xml π |
| 02:22:29 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> nice |
| 02:24:27 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Should note one should do `client.close` after the request since you no longer need the socket, and otherwise the OS will not free it until the program closes |
| 02:24:49 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> alright |
| 02:27:03 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> well i edited the href method, and now it returns an empty string, not sure why as i even append an additional string |
| 02:27:06 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> no error or anything |
| 02:27:20 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpl |
| 02:27:41 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i think the if statement may be accidentally excluding all elements, but im not sure |
| 02:28:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I'm sorry i'm not going to help with that masochistic solution |
| 02:29:00 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lol |
| 02:29:23 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i absolutely love destroying my own mind |
| 02:29:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You have xml and json, the proper way to do it is by converting it, reimplementing json/xml parsers that already exist for no reason but self harm is not something i can condone |
| 02:30:39 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> They embed json data into the data click thingy |
| 02:30:45 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> ill probably end up doing it your way, but for now i just want to see it work |
| 02:31:13 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "They embed json data": haha funny click thing send data and go brrr |
| 02:31:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> That's what i imagine the developers said to eachother |
| 02:31:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Who encodes data like that inside the xml |
| 02:32:14 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lol |
| 02:37:35 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> wooo my completely unorthodox method works |
| 02:38:16 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Congrats, doesnt mean i hate it any less π |
| 02:38:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Also remember nim has an implicit `result` so you can do `result = yourUrl` instead of `var link: string` and `return link` |
| 02:39:16 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> yea i know, im just used to manually returning things |
| 02:39:29 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> and makes it a little more readable for me |
| 02:45:20 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> also i actually didnt see that the `data-hydro-click` attribute was a json literal π
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| 02:45:36 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i have a really ambigous error im getting |
| 02:45:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I have am ambiguous solution |
| 02:46:01 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> an\ |
| 02:46:20 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpq |
| 02:46:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Oh boy is someone making a window manager! |
| 02:46:38 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> yes |
| 02:46:43 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> results in this |
| 02:46:46 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpr |
| 02:47:17 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> what does thie error mean |
| 02:47:23 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> and why am i getting this, the types match |
| 02:47:42 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpt |
| 02:47:53 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> but thats not possible since the code works if i put myConfig in the same file? |
| 02:48:03 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> hmmm |
| 02:48:04 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> only when i move to an external config.nim it breaks |
| 02:48:34 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> is this on a repo? |
| 02:48:36 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> are you including instead of importing |
| 02:48:43 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "is this on a": https://github.com/megabytesofrem/whim/ |
| 02:48:45 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> yes but its outdated code and no im importing |
| 02:48:52 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> try including instead |
| 02:48:53 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> the code on there is not the new code |
| 02:49:33 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> pretty sure the path is relative though so do `include folder/file` or whatever necessary |
| 02:49:57 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i get this |
| 02:50:01 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fpu |
| 02:50:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> No dont inclue the path |
| 02:50:11 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> oh wait |
| 02:50:17 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i dont do `config.myConfig`now |
| 02:50:19 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> this worked |
| 02:50:23 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> but why wasnt importing it working? |
| 02:50:29 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "No dont inclue the": isnt that what youre supposed to do for adding local files |
| 02:50:54 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @π§ππ’ "but why wasnt importing": not sure, might have something to do with exporting the types |
| 02:50:59 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You do not include you do `import` |
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| 02:51:11 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i was askign why it didnt work w/ import |
| 02:51:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> include is only for specific casees |
| 02:51:22 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i import evertyhing else |
| 02:51:26 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea i'm trying to see the entire problem |
| 02:51:28 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> this was the only thing that borked |
| 02:51:41 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You do not include": isnt include for when you want to split up a file into several pieces basically |
| 02:52:01 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea it's not often needed |
| 02:52:04 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> the nimble syntax highlighter in vs is still bitching at me now |
| 02:52:08 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> oh |
| 02:52:25 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i mean for what im doing rn i just included my other file to help organize it |
| 02:52:27 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> this compiles but the "error" is still there |
| 02:52:32 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> If you want to push to a branch then nuke it after i can take a look at it |
| 02:52:45 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I just want the full picture and it's hard to see presently for me |
| 02:52:48 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> how do i create a new branch |
| 02:52:55 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> im git noob |
| 02:52:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> \`git checkout -b "someDummyBranch" |
| 02:52:59 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> dont mind me asking but whats the specific use case of importing? non-local files? |
| 02:53:04 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> thanks |
| 02:53:06 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> ill push this |
| 02:53:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> when you want to use a module from another module |
| 02:53:29 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> pls dont judge my shit code im still learning both nim and x11 lol |
| 02:53:35 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> yea thats what i thought |
| 02:53:48 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> including pastes the file as is into the file you include to, import doesnt, it only brings in symbols that are exported |
| 02:53:51 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> so thats surprising that include has low use cases |
| 02:53:56 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Dont worry about that, my WM is garbage to |
| 02:53:58 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "including pastes the file": yea ik |
| 02:54:09 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> @ElegantBeef link |
| 02:54:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/goodwm if you ever want to look at shit code |
| 02:54:19 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> also holy shit do i know u |
| 02:54:19 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> just not sure why people would mainly choose import over include for local files |
| 02:54:23 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> we talked in that game dev server |
| 02:54:40 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i was just udner a different username |
| 02:54:50 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Are you the D fan? |
| 02:54:53 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> yes |
| 02:54:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Ah |
| 02:54:58 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lmao |
| 02:56:32 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Just tell me when you push π |
| 02:56:55 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> https://github.com/megabytesofrem/whim/tree/broken-config |
| 02:57:00 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> also theres irc for this server? |
| 02:57:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There is, also matrix |
| 02:57:17 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> linkies? |
| 02:57:29 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> planning to leave discord soon bc privacy concerns n shit |
| 02:57:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Scroll down to community https://nim-lang.org/ |
| 02:59:04 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Uhh you dont have `whim/types` |
| 02:59:21 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> wdym |
| 02:59:31 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> isnt it in the whim folder |
| 02:59:31 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://github.com/megabytesofrem/whim/tree/broken-config/src |
| 02:59:43 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> For some reason you're missing files on this branch |
| 02:59:44 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> wtf |
| 02:59:56 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> did git pull a braindead |
| 03:00:00 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> lemme check out this |
| 03:01:17 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> done it |
| 03:01:28 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> unfortunately had to commit the binary which has the same name of whim |
| 03:01:35 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> that was what was fucking it up |
| 03:01:41 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> ah git ignore it π |
| 03:01:44 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> idk if i can only exclude binary w/ the same name |
| 03:02:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea you can there is a way to remove all binaries then add dirs |
| 03:02:23 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> probably effortβ’οΈ |
| 03:02:31 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It's like 4 lines of git |
| 03:02:41 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> oof |
| 03:02:43 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> anyway |
| 03:02:45 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> take a look pls |
| 03:03:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The issue is you dont export `tables` |
| 03:04:22 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> hm? |
| 03:04:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> there is no `[]=` in the config space for `Table` so you either need to `import std/tables` there or `export tables` in types |
| 03:04:42 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Exported types dont bring in procedures with them unless they're also exported |
| 03:04:47 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> ahhh |
| 03:05:01 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> how would i do it the export route |
| 03:05:01 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You either need to export your dependant modules or import them in the other module |
| 03:05:02 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> im curious |
| 03:05:09 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I showed |
| 03:05:11 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> `export tables` |
| 03:05:17 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> inside the types block? |
| 03:05:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Put that in `types.nim` after the import |
| 03:05:41 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> ahh |
| 03:05:42 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3FpB |
| 03:05:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> And yes I'll continue pushing `std/` on people |
| 03:06:09 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> i use it anyways |
| 03:06:13 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> seems wrong to not |
| 03:06:59 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> And that's why `include` fixed it |
| 03:07:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> cause now that module was importing tables |
| 03:08:12 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> ah i see |
| 03:08:49 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> how can i delete this dummy branch now |
| 03:09:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> `git branch -d origin/branchName` `git checkout main` |
| 03:09:30 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Or whatever you call the master branch |
| 03:09:43 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It might move you back to main automatically |
| 03:09:59 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Ah sorry that's locally it's `git push origin --delete origin/branchName` |
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| 03:25:01 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> why are more desktop irc clients being created if discord already exists |
| 03:25:11 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Lol |
| 03:25:13 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> makes no sense at all |
| 03:25:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Discord is a proprietary chat application |
| 03:25:19 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> because no one likes electron ;) |
| 03:25:25 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> People like IRC |
| 03:25:28 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> true and truer |
| 03:25:43 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Also as i see you joined on matrix, matrix isnt IRC |
| 03:25:55 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> oh really? |
| 03:25:56 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> what is it |
| 03:25:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Matrix is a newer open protocol |
| 03:26:20 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> also either way discord isnt in its infancy like a lot of these matrix clients look like |
| 03:26:41 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i think it makes more sense to use discord at least until matrix clients progress more |
| 03:26:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It's also a closed source chat client, you cannot self host, or use your own clients |
| 03:26:59 | nrds | <Prestige99> Yeah matrix client aren't good atm |
| 03:27:07 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So it's awful if you ask me |
| 03:27:11 | nrds | <Prestige99> Sticking to IRC till that happens |
| 03:27:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Eh element seems fine to me |
| 03:27:25 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> true, but again just for everyday use discord is just the better option |
| 03:27:26 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> (for now) |
| 03:27:27 | nrds | <Prestige99> really? Element has been terrible for me |
| 03:27:35 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> In what way? |
| 03:27:44 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> im on element rn it just seems too basic |
| 03:28:06 | nrds | <Prestige99> especially on mobile - takes forever to load, messages get stuck, calls are buggy/don't work half the time |
| 03:28:12 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> and you cant join anything without an invite, which can kind of defeat the purpose of having communities on it |
| 03:28:18 | nrds | <Prestige99> on desktop it takes like a full minute to load chat |
| 03:28:22 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> then you just need a direct invite |
| 03:28:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You can join communities |
| 03:28:32 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> you dont need invites |
| 03:28:44 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> there are public communities anyone can join |
| 03:28:52 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> yea im comparing element delay to discord rn its about 2 secondsβ΅(<@709044657232936960_nrds=5b=49=52=43=5d>) |
| 03:28:53 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> really long |
| 03:29:10 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea i dont have any of these issues on desktop element |
| 03:29:19 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Though i havent used the voip |
| 03:29:38 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> the voip is not bad |
| 03:29:54 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i mean i think its decent, it just needs to have more things that people can use instead of just the basic chat and voIP |
| 03:30:24 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> there needs to be at least community discovery if its going to get nearly as popular as discord |
| 03:30:27 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> (in my opinion) |
| 03:30:31 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There is |
| 03:30:39 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> wait what |
| 03:30:42 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> where lol i dont see it |
| 03:30:47 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/911096135706361886/image.png |
| 03:30:55 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> whattt |
| 03:30:56 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> all i see is create room |
| 03:31:04 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> oph snap i see it |
| 03:31:07 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> alright nice |
| 03:31:41 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> now its starting to appeal to me |
| 03:31:43 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> especially since its open source |
| 03:31:43 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> and it can integrate with discord |
| 03:31:43 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Lol we did it we sold someone on the premise of the matrix protocol |
| 03:31:44 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lets gooooo |
| 03:31:46 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> one more member! |
| 03:32:11 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Spaces(equivalent to discord servers) are in beta but will be eventually stable |
| 03:32:16 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> and you can freely add servers to the discovery |
| 03:32:18 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> but one thing |
| 03:32:21 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> as far as i know |
| 03:32:24 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> theres no bots |
| 03:32:27 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> \:( |
| 03:32:29 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There are bots |
| 03:32:33 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> bro what |
| 03:32:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The bridge is a bot |
| 03:32:41 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i know |
| 03:32:43 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> but im talking like |
| 03:32:48 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The entire thing is open source how do you go "No bots" π |
| 03:32:52 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> an api for making bots |
| 03:32:59 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://matrix.org/docs/projects/other/python-matrix-bot-api/ |
| 03:33:01 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> just didnt think anyone made it yet |
| 03:33:07 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://matrix.org/bots/ |
| 03:33:26 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> ok this is π₯ |
| 03:33:52 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea i very much want it to succeed, there is also someone working on a nim sdk for matrix |
| 03:34:37 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> nice |
| 03:35:02 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> what are the currente api bindings |
| 03:36:03 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> This is what i was talking about https://github.com/dylhack/matrix-nim-sdk |
| 03:36:25 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> ohh nice |
| 03:37:02 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lets go theres a go sdk |
| 03:37:09 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> No let's not |
| 03:37:15 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> lol wdym |
| 03:37:19 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It's go |
| 03:37:19 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i personally favor golang |
| 03:37:42 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> its stdlib is extremely versatile |
| 03:37:48 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i get why people dont like it |
| 03:37:54 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> but to me the pros outweigh the cons |
| 03:39:00 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> well so far im liking element but dont appreciate the paid version |
| 03:39:21 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Element is a for profit company so what do you expect |
| 03:40:01 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You can self host your own matrix servers and use the client with no issue |
| 03:40:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So given that they do need money to actually develop/compete with other chat apps i think it's a fine method |
| 03:40:27 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> Β―\\\_(γ)\_/Β― |
| 03:42:13 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> also about golang, i would 100% switch to zig(hopefully you know it lol), but the compiler errors constantly with an AccessDenied error |
| 03:42:22 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> anddd its not even v1.0.0 yet |
| 03:42:29 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> its like v0.8.1 |
| 03:42:45 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> really hoping that they fix the bug soon |
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| 03:48:54 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Dammit i now want to work on the matrix sdk, i hate you all! |
| 03:49:42 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> Haha, you've fallen into my trap! You'll never survive this one, Elegantbeef! |
| 03:50:00 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You're right i should jump in a snowbank until i come to my senses |
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| 04:18:42 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> It never snows in the city I'm in, and the first time I touched snow was as an adult |
| 04:19:32 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Damn it snows here so it's fun! |
| 04:19:59 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> at least I didn't know what I was missing |
| 04:20:56 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> When I first wanted to chat on nim for the first time (recently) I tried to find a non-paid irc client and downloaded LimeChat, but I couldn't get it going to I jumped on Discord (which I already had) |
| 04:22:22 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> In reply to @Elegantbeef "And yes I'll continue": the syntax highlighter I use doesn't recognize "std/" when I import, so it bugs me |
| 04:23:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You're using nvim eh? |
| 04:24:44 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> yes |
| 04:29:22 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3FpN |
| 04:30:14 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea i had issues setting up nvim aswell, though it's not my main editor |
| 04:30:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Kinda interested in onivim2 since it's super easy to setup |
| 04:30:42 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I ended up having to look up how to turn off popups for autocomplete as it was I found it annoying as hell |
| 04:30:52 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ohhh what's your main editor? vscode? |
| 04:31:26 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yea i use vscode, but toy with nvim, which is why onivim2 is interesting |
| 04:31:33 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Vscode like extensions/gui but a vim editor |
| 04:31:47 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> i say like extensions, but it just uses vscode extensions π |
| 04:32:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I know a few other Nim developers used it and liked it π |
| 04:32:33 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> oh nice! |
| 04:34:12 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> when I tried vscode I don't think I set it up properly either, as it doesn't highlight lint errors or something .. eg if I do `x = 3` when x in a string it doesn't tell me like nvim does (something like that anyway) |
| 04:34:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yep you didnt set it up right |
| 04:34:53 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/911112268337545226/image.png |
| 04:35:06 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ok ... since I'm a vim lover I guess I didn't look for a solution |
| 04:35:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Lol |
| 04:36:18 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I just fired up vscode and put that exact example and it didn't complain |
| 04:37:00 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I tried the konst and the saem one |
| 04:37:22 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> you need `errorLens` π |
| 04:37:51 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> oh .... disclaimer ... I had never used vscode before either |
| 04:37:52 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=usernamehw.errorlens though even with out it the line should get a squiggle |
| 04:38:05 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Iβd use Oni 2 if it wasnβt more vscode like |
| 04:38:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> But eitherway no reason to use vscode if you like vim |
| 04:38:18 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> lol |
| 04:39:05 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> looks like errorlens is in the list for me to install |
| 04:39:53 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> restarted ... still doesn't work |
| 04:40:21 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Do you have an error provider |
| 04:41:03 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I don't know what that is |
| 04:41:07 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There is a "Nim\: Lint On Save" |
| 04:41:16 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So you might have that disabled, but yea odd behaviour |
| 04:41:43 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ahhh maybe .... |
| 04:43:54 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Your nim plugin is not giving you errors? |
| 04:44:05 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> in my vscode preferences I searched for lint and it's got "Nim: Lint On Save" but that's already ticked |
| 04:44:21 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Does your code have errors in the first place haha |
| 04:45:23 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> yea I used the example Elegantbeef did above ... assigning an int to a string var |
| 04:50:01 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I run the code and I get `Error: type mismatch: got 'int literal(300)' for '300' but expected 'string'` which is what it should be, but no lint highlighting ... hate vscode! |
| 04:50:40 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Understandable |
| 04:53:15 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I installed the one off the site you gave me and disabled the other one, still no joy |
| 04:55:02 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well errorlens is just to present the code on the line, the nim extension is still needed to be enabled, but i worry this is just going to fuel a "i must get it working regardless of time" |
| 04:55:40 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> yea it's a distractions I guess π |
| 04:59:59 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You can hit `ctrl + j` then go to ouput and click the nim extension in the dropdown to see if there are any issues |
| 05:00:54 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> command + j ... I'm on a mac |
| 05:01:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Sorry for your loss |
| 05:03:24 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> no issue found when doing that ... the only message is under "Explorer: Outline" which says "no symbols found in document 'bar.nim'" |
| 05:04:52 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I know I don't like mac that much, I prefer linux ... in fact I run linux on docker on this mac, and I run vnim and nim on linux that way. I have no gui, but that's that way I like it |
| 05:05:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Is that an apple silicon mac atleast? |
| 05:07:31 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> no it's intel |
| 05:14:37 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> yesterday I went through a whole heap of plugins for nvim, and each one annoyed me, and so I've gone back to no "plugged" plugins at all, just the alaviss plugin for syntax highlighting etc |
| 05:36:36 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You best have given up by now! π |
| 06:30:13 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> In reply to @evoalg "yea I used the": VSCode only lints on saved files, not just on what is on the screen. Turn on autosave and set to "save on delay" and it should show errors in about a sec after you stop typing |
| 06:30:44 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ok I'll try |
| 06:32:34 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> woefully it was already set that both of those things |
| 06:33:52 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> but thank you for trying ... but no worries, my true love is vim anyway. Sometimes I try other things to see what the fuss it about |
| 06:34:11 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> We cant wait for you to try programming π |
| 06:36:33 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fq7 like this you mean? |
| 06:37:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Shit you got me |
| 06:38:26 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> That's an interesting way to sum |
| 06:39:06 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I need practice at recursion so I'm starting small |
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| 07:15:09 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> In reply to @evoalg "ok I'll try": hmm, that's the only thing I've ever needed, and I use it every day. Are you using Saem's linter and enabled globally? |
| 07:16:35 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I'm using Saem's nim and Error Lens ... is Saem's linter something different? |
| 07:23:05 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ... but I'd better get back to nimming or Elegant will have a beef with me π |
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| 07:46:41 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> no, just Saem's Nim extension (it has to be enabled; not just installed). I haven't tried Error Lens. I'll have to check it out. I'm on Windows and I've only touched on vim a tiny bit over the years. I might try it again now that the Win version has gotten more love. I like VSCode a lot, but I can never seem to get the suggestion popups like I want them, no matter how I change settings. |
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| 07:53:50 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> saem's nim extension was already enabled so it's not that (but thank you for trying). Sounds like you might like onivim2 that Elegantbeef was mentioning ... might be the best of vim and vscode combined (maybe) |
| 07:55:48 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> np, sorry it didn't work. I'll have a look at onivim2, thx |
| 07:56:07 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> it's still alpha though at the moment I think |
| 07:56:33 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It is, and you have to build it from source if you want to test it unless you subscribe to their patreon |
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| 07:57:23 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> does it have a language extension for Nim? |
| 07:57:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It uses Vscode extensions |
| 07:58:03 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So yes |
| 07:58:51 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> Thx, I'll definitely check it out then |
| 07:58:55 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It only uses JS for the vscode extensions, otherwise it's compiled code |
| 07:59:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So it's pretty interesting, as it's not electron and not running js for all code |
| 08:07:12 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> The advantage of vim is it's so lite and is standard with linux, so if you have to ssh to a command-line-only server (for example) then you can still do programming with vim. Not user-friendly though. It's been around for a looong time. |
| 08:07:24 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> Do you use a message queue from nim (rabbitmq, mqtt, Kafka, etc)? If yes which one? Which module you use? |
| 08:08:17 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> (don't forget zeromq) |
| 08:19:21 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> Yeah maybe zmqβ΅I was thinking of just use postgres (as I do for mostly everything now) since postgres also has pub sub etc |
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| 08:22:35 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> The feature I need is pub/ack. And when there is no ack resend to another worker. Since this would be an internet project I expect thinks to break often π |
| 08:26:41 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> And I kinda want the producers just fire and forget and not handle failures by themself |
| 08:32:21 | FromDiscord | <Rika> I was planning on wrapping zero mama but I have no time |
| 08:32:24 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Mq wow |
| 08:32:25 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Lol |
| 09:51:14 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> @Rika\: what's wrong with the "official" wrapper? |
| 10:09:38 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Probably didnβt see it actually |
| 10:09:40 | FromDiscord | <Rika> There is! |
| 10:09:42 | FromDiscord | <Rika> ? |
| 10:15:27 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @Rika "There is!": https://github.com/nim-lang/nim-zmq |
| 10:17:07 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Nice |
| 10:17:12 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Guess I donβt need to make one then |
| 11:01:18 | FromDiscord | <machineko> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://github.com/saem/vscode-nim#debugging": thanks for link i tried it before but have problem with preLaunchTask cant find any info how to link it |
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| 11:09:02 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I'm trying to recursively sum values in an irregular tuple, eg `(1, 2, (3, 4), (5, 6))` and this is the closest I've come up with but I can't get the type right or something: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fr3 ... how would I be able to do it? |
| 11:11:51 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @evoalg "I'm trying to recursively": you are checking a type and in nim types are static, so you should use `when` |
| 11:11:59 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fr5 |
| 11:12:03 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> but why do this? tuples aren't really supposed to be used for this |
| 11:13:51 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> also be aware that this approach will generate a lot of functions for each tuple, because it's an implicit generic |
| 11:13:58 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> so it has to generate a function for each combination of types |
| 11:14:13 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> in the code above it'll make two functions |
| 11:15:02 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> Thank you ... I was trying some easy recursive exercises from python and seeing if I could do it in nim ... the exercise was to sum the python list `[1, 2, [3, 4], [5, 6]]` but in nim only tuples can be heterogeneous right? |
| 11:15:33 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> well, in this case yes, but generally you wouldn't use such an approach in nim |
| 11:15:46 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> and also tuples aren't a good way to replicate this python behaviour |
| 11:15:56 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> because you can't "create" new tuple types in runtime |
| 11:16:16 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ahhh I see |
| 11:16:20 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> the best approach to replicate this would be to use a `seq` storing object variants |
| 11:16:23 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> something like |
| 11:17:35 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> I understand, thank you! |
| 11:19:24 | PMunch | Or just store the two first numbers in a single-element seq |
| 11:19:56 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> nimions my rudimentary cs knowledge is failing me, why can't I build a mixed std/table like this: {"thingy":false,"thongy":"thongydata"} |
| 11:20:11 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> should I just use type objects and call it a day? |
| 11:20:16 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "nimions my rudimentary cs": because tables only support a 1-1 type mapping |
| 11:20:28 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you can do what you want with object variants, e.g. with `std/json` module, or create a custom object variant |
| 11:20:35 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @evoalg "I understand, thank you!": it might not be the best way, but : |
| 11:20:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> just a rough example |
| 11:20:42 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fr6 |
| 11:22:01 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fr7 |
| 11:22:16 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> % is a generic proc to convert a nim type to the one of the json object variant |
| 11:22:33 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> it basically takes false bool and makes it a string? |
| 11:22:36 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> why do you need what you want though? |
| 11:22:38 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "it basically takes false": no |
| 11:22:53 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> json supports bool as a native data type, so it makes a object variant with the kind of JBool |
| 11:23:06 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> hmmm |
| 11:23:35 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> well the idea is that I don't have thingy data right now and I when I will have it in the future I will update the table |
| 11:24:00 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> still not sure what you mean, sorry |
| 11:24:09 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> if you mean you want a placeholder for non-existing data, you can just use std/options |
| 11:24:16 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> yea I want a placeholder |
| 11:24:17 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> or just don't create entries in the table |
| 11:24:23 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you can just check if something's in the table |
| 11:24:50 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> I want to be able to check if first part is in the table tho, so I'd like to be there in the table |
| 11:25:01 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> then yeah, use std/options |
| 11:25:21 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you can also check for string emptyness for that, but it's a bit of a hack |
| 11:25:32 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> yea I wanted to avoid that |
| 11:27:01 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> another way is to use getOrDefault |
| 11:27:06 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> and think of some other placeholder for an empty value :) |
| 11:27:20 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> ah nvm, just use options |
| 11:28:37 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @hmmm |
| 11:28:38 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fr9 |
| 11:28:46 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> In reply to @PMunch "Or just store the": I guess the idea is that we are pretending we don't know what the tuple will look like, but in practice we will know in Nim as it can't be built in runtime (if I understand correctly?) so that means we will know what it looks like and we can handle it much more easily, right? |
| 11:28:57 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it's sometimes good to think of another way of doing something rather than replicating the way you did it in another language :) |
| 11:29:14 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> very true |
| 11:29:33 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @evoalg "I guess the idea": the problem is that you can't construct a tuple in runtime, so all the usefulness of such nested list approach goes away |
| 11:29:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> so it has to be done with object variants |
| 11:29:47 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> makes sense |
| 11:30:20 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> damn option is perfect |
| 11:30:29 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> ty yardy :nim1: |
| 11:31:12 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "damn option is perfect": i also used getOrDefault to avoid nested `if`s and a bit nicer code |
| 11:38:42 | FromDiscord | <MrOkram> Hello, quick question, if i use `createThread` to create a long running thread, how can i later stop/destroy it? I've seen a `destroyThread` function in `threads.nim`, but can't seem to access it. |
| 11:44:53 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @MrOkram "Hello, quick question, if": the quick answer is that you can't |
| 11:45:23 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7092, there are other forum threads too |
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| 13:07:06 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> Currently, the best solution is to use Channel / Messaging queue as a synchronization methodβ΅(@MrOkram) |
| 13:07:39 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> In reply to @Yardanico "so it has to": Don't hate me (I only did this as a learning exercise): https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Frs π |
| 13:08:01 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @evoalg "Don't hate me (I": well that still won't work |
| 13:08:14 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it won't be a tuple in runtime anyway |
| 13:08:16 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it'll be a string |
| 13:08:27 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you wouldn't be able to create a tuple from that string at runtime |
| 13:08:33 | FromDiscord | <MrOkram> In reply to @Clonkk "Currently, the best solution": It's a locking thread, aka, i'm using it to run a powershell command that blocks and doesn't exit. I found a solution, and that's to just get that powershell's process ID and kill it. |
| 13:08:59 | FromDiscord | <MrOkram> Not the most graceful way to do it, but it works. |
| 13:09:21 | FromDiscord | <MrOkram> Also, any recommendations for SSH libraries that still work ? |
| 13:11:49 | FromDiscord | <Tom> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Frt |
| 13:13:34 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @Tom "I'm trying to study": I don't know of such a way, you either have side effects or don't have them. There are tags though, but they're not widely used |
| 13:13:35 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#effect-system-tag-tracking |
| 13:13:45 | FromDiscord | <Tom> Thanks for the info! |
| 13:14:23 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> also for some recent discussion on effects see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8613 https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8631 |
| 13:15:01 | PMunch | You can of course do this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fru |
| 13:16:01 | PMunch | But just for completeness the way you're "supposed" to do it is to create a Rand object with `initRand` and then pass that in as a var parameter |
| 13:16:25 | PMunch | That will avoid the side effect and not simply hide it |
| 13:16:38 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @PMunch "You can of course": that wasn't the problem |
| 13:16:56 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> as I understand it Tom asked for a way to specify _which_ side effect is fine specifically |
| 13:17:02 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> " a way to specify that this is the only side effect I expect" |
| 13:18:16 | PMunch | I know, and as you said you can't really do that as sideEffect is one single effect |
| 13:18:28 | PMunch | But you can do something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Frz |
| 13:19:15 | PMunch | Now you say only the side effects of `rand(high - 1)` are allowed, but no other side effect, which is essentially what they asked for |
| 13:20:11 | PMunch | (you could of course move `high - 1` outside the cast to make sure that no one overrides `-` and creates side effects |
| 13:20:55 | PMunch | Something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3FrA |
| 13:21:39 | PMunch | You could of course move that into a template or it's own func if you liked |
| 13:22:25 | FromDiscord | <Tom> For reference, here's the same in koka: https://github.com/contextfreecode/procfun/blob/13f3b5d5358181618ca84b6dde64605d3595f336/guess.kk#L28 |
| 13:23:03 | FromDiscord | <Tom> And yeah, I want to clearly annotate the side effects of the procedure. To whatever extent is possible and/or idiomatic in Nim. |
| 13:23:42 | FromDiscord | <Tom> In reply to @PMunch "But just for completeness": That's a good point. I'll consider that option. |
| 13:23:59 | PMunch | Something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3FrC |
| 13:24:14 | FromDiscord | <Tom> In reply to @Yardanico "also for some recent": These are about possible future language features, right? |
| 13:24:26 | FromDiscord | <Tom> In reply to @Yardanico "I don't know of": I might experiment with tags. |
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| 13:26:33 | FromDiscord | <Tom> In reply to @PMunch "Something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=": I'd prefer the hint to be at the top level of the pickAnswer function and then require recognition by callers. To me, calling it a `func` hides the effect. I'd rather just say `proc`. I only said `func` earlier to force the error to see what it told me. |
| 13:30:00 | PMunch | Ah, well as Yardanico already mentioned, side effects are a single effect in Nim. So you can't really limit your side effects to only specific things (unless you pass in var arguments like I suggested, this makes the caller aware that this argument will be mutated(. |
| 13:32:26 | FromDiscord | <Tom> Yeah, the argument idea is good. The tags seem to get the effect done somewhat, too, although it requires explicit `{.tags: [].}` or such in the caller to check against them. And I might need to occasionally suppress effects if I know they're handled within a function, so thanks much for the cast examples. |
| 13:32:56 | FromDiscord | <Tom> And glad to know tags aren't used much. I like to know what's idiomatic. Thanks much to both of you for the feedback! |
| 13:39:33 | FromDiscord | <Tanguy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3FrL |
| 13:42:12 | PMunch | Something like `pragma(t.getImpl)` works |
| 13:42:52 | PMunch | `pragma` is defined in the macros module, I recommend checking there when you need to find things related to macros |
| 13:46:05 | FromDiscord | <Tanguy> Oh, thanks, I had found pragma, but not getImpl |
| 13:48:29 | FromDiscord | <Tom> In reply to @Tom "And glad to know": By the way, I've now got examples for both a `var Rand` parameter and a `{.tags: [Rand].}` option, and both are interesting for compare and contrast. Thanks! |
| 13:49:14 | PMunch | Curious how you did the tags version, did you just override the rand procedure to add an effect? |
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| 14:02:21 | FromDiscord | <tandy> how can you compare enum values which are ints? |
| 14:02:44 | FromDiscord | <tandy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fs1 |
| 14:03:00 | FromDiscord | <tandy> thats the enum, and im getting an error when comparing it to an int |
| 14:04:00 | PMunch | Why are you comparing it to an int? |
| 14:04:16 | PMunch | To get the integer value of an enum you can use `ord` |
| 14:04:40 | FromDiscord | <tandy> oh i seeβ΅(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>) |
| 14:04:58 | FromDiscord | <tandy> program logic needs to check if some int is below difficulty valueβ΅(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>) |
| 14:05:08 | PMunch | Aah I see |
| 14:05:18 | PMunch | Well then `ord` is the way to go |
| 14:05:39 | FromDiscord | <tandy> nicee that works tyty |
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| 14:23:03 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> hey what does the {inline} thingy do |
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| 14:24:12 | PMunch | It inlines things :P |
| 14:25:26 | PMunch | Basically a procedure call takes a little bit of work to do. Inlining is the act of taking the content of the procedure and copy it to the callsite, instead of calling the procedure. |
| 14:25:40 | PMunch | This is, in a way, the same thing a template does |
| 14:26:05 | PMunch | But `inline` is a C concept, so the {.inline.} pragma simply tells the C compiler that you want this to be inlined. |
| 14:26:17 | PMunch | It is free to ignore it however, if it decides it would be faster not to |
| 14:34:19 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> hmm |
| 14:34:42 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> ok not something I need lol |
| 14:42:07 | PMunch | It's mainly used for optimisations |
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| 15:22:30 | FromDiscord | <Tom> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/wP8 |
| 15:30:53 | FromDiscord | <dom96> oh hello @Tom πβ΅Yep, that's exactly the idea. |
| 15:43:08 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> I saved this lost interview with @Araq, maybe it should be reposted somewhere? (on the nim blog or forums or something?) |
| 15:43:12 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> https://paste.sr.ht/~exelotl/be96c1f0efc658a407f4d6e5299f036572388a2e |
| 16:13:21 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> But There's stuff missing eg the curve functions |
| 16:38:35 | FromDiscord | <Fish-Face> With 1.6 I see there is `iterable[T]` - are there equivalents to `sequtils` which make use of it yet? |
| 16:39:03 | FromDiscord | <Fish-Face> and/or other stdlib stuff - I'd like to be able to `map` and `sum` specifically |
| 16:39:53 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> https://github.com/zero-functional/zero-functional - macroβ΅https://github.com/def-/nim-iterutils - for iterators |
| 16:40:07 | FromDiscord | <Fish-Face> ah ok |
| 16:40:23 | FromDiscord | <Fish-Face> is there any plan to incorporate that functionality into the standard library? |
| 16:40:28 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> I'm not sure how well it works with iterable[T] but thats what I'm aware of |
| 16:45:52 | FromDiscord | <Vindaar> Ideally `sequtils` should be using `iterable[T]` already, yes. Not sure if all `sequtils` procs map nicely to `iterable[T]` though |
| 16:51:10 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> I know how to make bit-flags with cuchar and enum. But what if I have bit fields like `0aabbccc` where aa and bb are two bit flags and ccc is three bit flag. Is there some simple way to have such flags? |
| 16:51:45 | FromDiscord | <Fish-Face> thanks, useful to know |
| 16:59:02 | FromDiscord | <dom96> In reply to @exelotl "I saved this lost": sure, it would work best on an external website but if all else fails we can post it on nim-lang.org |
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| 17:13:45 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Ft5 |
| 17:14:11 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> the string name or some what for me to figure out what it is lol |
| 17:14:18 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> (edit) "what" => "way" |
| 17:36:13 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> is there a platform-independent way to determine the nimble/pkgs dir in the context of a project's `.nimble` file? |
| 17:41:00 | FromDiscord | <dom96> In reply to @brainproxy "is there a platform-independent": what's the context? Do you need it for an app you're writing? |
| 17:45:09 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Ftd |
| 17:45:18 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Ftd" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fte" |
| 17:45:37 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fte" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Ftf" |
| 17:47:10 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> btw, it would be nifty if choosenim's `init.sh` allowed you to (optionally) spec the choosenim install dir and the nimble dir, so e.g. can have unified logic including Windows when driving windows from MSYS2 |
| 17:47:29 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> (edit) "windows" => "Windows" |
| 17:48:48 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> (edit) "btw, it would be nifty if choosenim's `init.sh` allowed you to (optionally) spec the choosenim install dir and the nimble dir, so e.g. can have unified logic including Windows when driving Windows from MSYS2 ... " added "bash" |
| 18:09:18 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Ftl |
| 18:10:27 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fto |
| 18:11:05 | FromDiscord | <dom96> In reply to @brainproxy "it's related to that": I see, `staticExec("nimble path foo@#head")` might work. If not it's a bug and we should fix it, but the basic implementation of this is there I hope π |
| 18:11:40 | FromDiscord | <dom96> in general though it seems like you are working around a limitation in nimble |
| 18:11:41 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> but what if the branch I want is not head? |
| 18:12:23 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> ah, sorry, you're just giving example, I misread |
| 18:12:29 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> will give it a shot |
| 18:12:35 | FromDiscord | <dom96> good question, I don't think other branches will work actually |
| 18:12:42 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> ah, interesting |
| 18:12:43 | FromDiscord | <dom96> hm |
| 18:12:46 | FromDiscord | <dom96> they might |
| 18:12:51 | FromDiscord | <dom96> I can't remember what nimble does in that case |
| 18:13:15 | FromDiscord | <dom96> just make sure you install via `nimble install foo@#branch` |
| 18:13:42 | FromDiscord | <dom96> but still, we should resolve that limitation you are working around |
| 18:13:51 | FromDiscord | <dom96> why are you passing these paths explicitly? |
| 18:15:42 | FromDiscord | <reilly> In reply to @dom96 "why are you passing": IIRC Package A needs Version X of of Package C, but Package B (or maybe their own code?) needs version Y of Package C. |
| 18:20:37 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/WKl |
| 18:21:36 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> In reply to @exelotl "you mean using a": Yea I have `SysFlags = set[SysFlag]` |
| 18:22:12 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> ohh right, you want different names for the same bit? |
| 18:22:59 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> In reply to @exelotl "ohh right, you want": Yeas, exactly. |
| 18:23:18 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> do you want them to be interchangeable e.g. {a1, a2} == {a1} |
| 18:25:12 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> you might be able to just use constants |
| 18:25:25 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> e.g. const a2 = a1 |
| 18:25:48 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> In reply to @exelotl "do you want them": Nope, fixed bit patterns. |
| 18:27:00 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fts |
| 18:27:31 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Ftu |
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| 18:33:29 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> (I should have done smarter system in my emulator... π ) |
| 18:38:05 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @Vindaar "Ideally `sequtils` should be": The problem with iterable[T] is that the name is quite misleading - it's not a something like an Iterable[T] concept, it's just a way to pass iterators to templates specifically. Sure sequtils templates can get a bit shorter by using it and it solves the gotcha with method call syntax, but nothing more. @Fish-Face answer to you too |
| 18:38:11 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-6/changelogs/changelog_1_6_0.md#iterablet see the changelog entry about it |
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| 18:41:19 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> I mean in the future it can be expanded, but as of now it has limited usefulness |
| 18:46:52 | FromDiscord | <Vindaar> In reply to @Yardanico "The problem with iterable[T]": oh, damn. Then I misremembered. I thought it was a concept |
| 18:47:08 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> yeah I was confused at first too |
| 18:50:32 | FromDiscord | <Vindaar> well, then let's rephrase and say it'd be great to have an `Iterable[T]` concept that we use for `sequtils`, heh |
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| 18:52:32 | FromDiscord | <Alaindevos> nim creates c files with a stupid character "@" . Can this be disables so it creates files with normal characters ? |
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| 18:52:51 | FromDiscord | <Alaindevos> (edit) "nim creates c files with a stupid character "@" . Can this be disables so it creates files with ... normal" added "only" |
| 18:53:12 | FromDiscord | <Alaindevos> (edit) "disables" => "disabled" |
| 18:53:54 | NimEventer | New thread by Araq: The Cylons have a Plan, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8642 |
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| 19:29:17 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3FtM |
| 19:30:12 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> (edit) "http://ix.io/3FtM" => "http://ix.io/3FtN" |
| 19:34:46 | FromDiscord | <zetashift> Is it bad that I still don't really know what a `concept` is? It's like a trait/typeclass right? |
| 19:36:13 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> Kinda like alike an interface |
| 19:36:16 | FromDiscord | <zetashift> if it is, that's also probably how I can fix it, learn what a type class really is \:P |
| 19:36:33 | FromDiscord | <zetashift> I know from Scala that traits are used like an interface |
| 19:36:36 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> (edit) "alike" => "" |
| 19:37:17 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> kind of a monad? |
| 19:37:32 | FromDiscord | <reilly> What non-stdlib multithreading packages are out there besides Weave? |
| 19:37:55 | FromDiscord | <zetashift> I don't think it's like a monad \:P |
| 19:38:38 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> https://gist.github.com/honewatson/583135c1b191119a3b3be3fdbfe8607b |
| 19:38:50 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> examples of concepts ^ |
| 19:41:22 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> In reply to @zetashift "I don't think it's": I was just being π€‘ |
| 19:45:22 | FromDiscord | <zetashift> ah haha |
| 19:45:34 | FromDiscord | <zetashift> the M-word has a lot of power |
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| 20:03:25 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fu0 |
| 20:03:49 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i tried `include src/foo` and just plain `include foo` |
| 20:03:56 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> (and yes i mean include not import) |
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| 20:06:24 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> in regards to araqs post, i actually like how the compiler api threads absolute and relative path |
| 20:06:42 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> or at least, that they have their own type |
| 20:07:18 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> then we don't have to guess if this particular api uses a absolute or a relative path |
| 20:09:09 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> @sharpcdf\: i don't know for sure, but would intuitively try either `import foo` or move main.nim also to src/ |
| 20:09:47 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> you can check if you folder structure is good with `nimble check` |
| 20:09:53 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> i have no reason for using import as i want to use everything in each file, i just want to seperate them for organization |
| 20:10:03 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> but ill just include main.nim into the src folder too |
| 20:10:05 | FromDiscord | <sharpcdf> ill try that |
| 20:16:18 | FromDiscord | <0xc45> Hi all, does anyone have any experience with the `The specified module could not be found` error when cross-compiling a Winim DLL from Linux to Windows?β΅I'm aware this is a very vague query but I seem to be running circles trying to debug it π¦ |
| 20:17:34 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> π€¨ |
| 20:18:07 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> araq made a plan for 2.0 and didn't considered my informal rfc of changing string.toLowerAscii to string.lower π§ |
| 20:18:26 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> didn't considered is english 3.0 btw |
| 20:19:08 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> @hmmm\: because there is `toLower` in the unicode module already |
| 20:19:15 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> hmmmmm |
| 20:19:26 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> if python did something good in this world is getting the name right |
| 20:19:30 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> names |
| 20:20:08 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> afaik we had a lower (or was it toLower?) in strutils a few years ago, but imho it was depricated if i remember correctly |
| 20:22:31 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> on the other hand our thingy.add() is clearly superior to the 19th century .append, so we have that for us which is nice π€ |
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| 20:29:30 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> i mean if we had different types for ascii strings and unicode strings having a shorter method makes sense.. otherwise explicit > implicit is cleaner to me. |
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| 20:33:14 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Fu9 |
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| 20:34:30 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> i mean, this function is so seldom used... |
| 20:34:34 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> why bother \:) |
| 20:34:43 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> ha! I had a plan for that, unicode was string.loweru π |
| 20:35:00 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> why not call it `lu` then |
| 20:35:03 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> if you want short name slike that |
| 20:35:05 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> perfect! |
| 20:35:06 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> (edit) "name slike" => "names like" |
| 20:35:21 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> In reply to @Yardanico "why not call it": D: |
| 20:36:51 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> all 1-2 character variables can die in a fire unless you're `i`. If you ask me. |
| 20:37:22 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> what about j and k ? :/ |
| 20:37:29 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> also v |
| 20:37:32 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> no |
| 20:37:41 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> never used `v` as a single char variable name :) |
| 20:37:50 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> `s` yes, for string or seq or some stuff |
| 20:37:51 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> for i,v! |
| 20:37:56 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> never use single char variables at all ;) |
| 20:37:58 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "for i,v!": `e` for elem |
| 20:38:36 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> I understand j and k .. but it's still a code smell to me |
| 20:40:00 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> single char var == hell lot of fun to grep for it, or replace it, or multicursor it; please don't |
| 20:40:16 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> pfft |
| 20:40:21 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> i can use single-letter unicode names |
| 20:40:24 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> that's the peak programming! |
| 20:40:32 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> at least double it\: ss, ii, ee |
| 20:40:33 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> In reply to @enthus1ast "single char var ==": you should see the nim source code T.T |
| 20:40:36 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> var Π° = 5; echo a |
| 20:40:38 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> good luck |
| 20:43:44 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> oh python also has the beautiful int(thingy) and float(thingy) |
| 20:43:49 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> you cannot beat that |
| 20:47:24 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @hmmm "oh python also has": yeah, which is not really good |
| 20:47:32 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you just think that it's good because python uses it and is popular :) |
| 20:47:58 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> hmm |
| 20:49:30 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> and maybe stop trolling and go do something serious for once ;) |
| 20:49:42 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Never do that |
| 20:49:58 | FromDiscord | <hmmm> π
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| 20:50:34 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> I do like the constructor-like format for primitives. Swift uses it. It looks good to me. `var myFloat = Float(myInt)`β΅I don't know what it is in python tho, Imma assume the same. |
| 20:50:49 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @IsaacPaul "I do like the": it's not that |
| 20:50:55 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> in python it's multi-purpose |
| 20:51:04 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you can do `float('1.0')` and it'll convert a string to a float |
| 20:51:15 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> oh.. |
| 20:51:42 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> in Nim it behaves as a normal type conversion, yes, you can do `int(5.9)` and it'll only keep the whole part (truncate) |
| 20:51:57 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> It does the proper thing |
| 20:52:20 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> `someType(anotherType)` is a type conversion in nim |
| 20:52:32 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> yes |
| 20:52:37 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Which should be a cheap and even sometimes free operation |
| 20:53:14 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> and contrast to simple float-to-int or int-to-float string parsing involves exceptions |
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| 21:18:48 | FromDiscord | <IsaacPaul> I was trying to get c2nim to support inline cpp constructors... _nevermind.._ |
| 21:20:14 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> curious ... what exceptions would string parsing have to mean parseInt has to be used instead of making int do string-to-int ? |
| 21:20:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @evoalg "curious ... what exceptions": what if a string doesn't contain a number? |
| 21:20:46 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The string isnt an int |
| 21:23:26 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> just trying to understand "someType(anotherType) is a type conversion in nim" <-- so int(string) fit's that? ... if the string doesn't have an int then an exception is raised in python too? |
| 21:23:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @evoalg "just trying to understand": in python an exception in raised, in nim it won't work |
| 21:23:46 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> because in nim it's just a type conversion, not parsing |
| 21:24:00 | FromDiscord | <evoalg> ahhh ok |
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| 22:16:30 | FromDiscord | <tandy> https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/437 |
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| 22:21:17 | FromDiscord | <deech> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3Fuy |
| 22:22:14 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://github.com/status-im/questionable#options probably what you want |
| 22:22:23 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Dont really need a macro for this as a macro will just work |
| 22:22:27 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> as a template\ |
| 22:23:35 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I'd say make type aliases since you probably should anyway but i dont generally like tuples so... probably biased |
| 22:23:46 | FromDiscord | <deech> I'm not sure how this makes it easier, the `none` case still requires me to specify the type in full. |
| 22:24:42 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> If you type alias that mess of a type you'd safe yourself the headache π |
| 22:25:22 | FromDiscord | <deech> Yeah I know. π But sometimes you just need some type inference. |
| 22:26:02 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> What do you mean? |
| 22:26:31 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> in that library instead of `?int` it should be `int?` like every other language |
| 22:26:34 | FromDiscord | <π§ππ’> looks weird af |
| 22:26:37 | FromDiscord | <deech> Like given the previous example I just want to do `p(none)`, not `p(none(seq[tuple[..]]])` |
| 22:26:50 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> No postfix operators in nim |
| 22:26:56 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> other than `` |
| 22:28:34 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> wondering if `auto` would work there |
| 22:33:20 | FromDiscord | <deech> Like just pass in `p(auto)`? |
| 22:33:47 | FromDiscord | <enthus1ast> mh does not work, just tried it |
| 22:37:45 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3FuB |
| 22:38:04 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Without explict calling of the converter it gives a nice error |
| 22:41:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Given the way overloading works and converters i dont imagine there is a way to do this automagically |
| 22:42:39 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Like a converter cannot go `X -> Generic[T]` |
| 22:43:22 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I do have to look at the issue i found above, seems simple to fix |
| 22:46:40 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The converter should work implicitly so hopefully i can fix that today |
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| 23:00:38 | anddam | howdy |
| 23:01:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Hello! |
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