| 00:00:44 | shashlick | Wow wonder how this works |
| 00:05:17 | shashlick | Ok the tests help |
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| 00:29:49 | smitop | Can I update my Nim on Windows by running the newer installer on the Nim website? |
| 00:48:22 | leorize | there's an installer? |
| 00:49:03 | leorize | what I typically do is that I run `choosenim` and forget about it :p |
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| 00:58:20 | disruptek | why, typically, does `nim doc|doc2` refuse to document all procs in my module? |
| 00:59:09 | leorize | did you export them? |
| 00:59:27 | leorize | if you don't the docs won't be generated, there's an issue opened to request for it |
| 00:59:43 | disruptek | :-D thank you, sir! |
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| 01:19:19 | leorize | so far --newruntime is slower than the GC at binary tree benchmark :p |
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| 01:29:14 | leorize | Araq: this should not compile on newruntime I believe http://ix.io/1GGU |
| 01:30:42 | leorize | since there's no owned ref to capture `new()` output, it is destroyed immediately, right? |
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| 02:42:28 | FromGitter | <Varriount> Araq: Where can I see the changes to koch that were required for the new runtime? |
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| 03:08:52 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> it seems like I have this exact problem 100% of the time I touch a Ruby project, so the problem may really be with me |
| 03:09:59 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> but even after an rbenv install of Nim/website's .ruby-version following https://jekyllrb.com/docs/installation/macos/ , and install bundler jekyll , and making sure I've got the right PATH and resolved binary |
| 03:10:21 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> jekyll build fails as it can't find a version of a gem that's not available anymore |
| 03:11:20 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5cba8dd7990feb4518cf5b36] |
| 03:13:47 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> ah. that's the wrong syntax to select a version, and "bundler install" grabs that and the hundred other specific versions for you. |
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| 04:29:28 | FromGitter | <arnetheduck> why is otherwise trivial stuff like `min` and `max` compiler magic? just for the folding? if yes, does it *need* to be folded by magics? why not let ctfe deal with it? Araq? |
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| 05:26:57 | Araq | leorize: correct, bug report please |
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| 05:27:15 | Araq | arnetheduck: pure legacy |
| 05:28:00 | Araq | the ctfe engine can deal with generic/inline min/max just fine |
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| 05:29:00 | Araq | Varriount: there weren't any changes required for koch.nim itself, the stdlib got some 'owned' annotations. |
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| 07:35:42 | Zevv | which is pretty cool |
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| 08:46:25 | Araq | Zevv, it was expected, koch.nim doesn't use 'ref'. In fact, you can write everything without 'ref', Nim is Turing complete without it :-) |
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| 09:06:19 | Zevv | I find myself reffing very little these days indeed. It took some time letting go of the C habits and trusting the compiler on this. |
| 09:13:13 | Zevv | but if all I'd need was Turing-completeness I'd use brainf*ck |
| 09:13:42 | Araq | sure, Turing is always a terrible argument, I know. |
| 09:13:55 | Zevv | I guessed that much :) |
| 09:13:57 | Araq | anyway, does 'gcc' on linux support @linkingfile like on Windows? |
| 09:14:08 | Araq | I'm running out of command line space on Linux |
| 09:14:24 | Araq | I think. Hard to say since the process simply dies with no good error message |
| 09:15:07 | Zevv | you're hitting ARG_MAX? |
| 09:15:35 | Zevv | that's a few hundred kb's I believe |
| 09:15:46 | Araq | I think I do, yes |
| 09:15:51 | Araq | it's a long linking command :P |
| 09:16:44 | FromGitter | <mratsim> If all I needed was Turing completeness, I would use PowerPoint/Magic cards/C++ templates :P |
| 09:18:45 | Araq | can I increase ARG_MAX? |
| 09:18:49 | Zevv | Araq: my arg_max is 2MB - not sure if this is your problem, what do you get on 'getconf ARG_MAX' |
| 09:19:41 | Zevv | afaik there is no knob to tweak that though |
| 09:20:29 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @PMunch, apparently in your protobuf implementation you only support proto3, I'd like to build a pure Nim Starcraft2 client but I need proto2 for the following schema: https://github.com/Blizzard/s2client-proto/blob/master/s2clientprotocol/sc2api.proto, what's the difference between proto2 and proto3? |
| 09:21:14 | Araq | hmm the command line is 141kb only |
| 09:21:27 | FromGitter | <mratsim> "only" |
| 09:21:40 | Araq | and my argmax is 2 MB too |
| 09:21:51 | Zevv | let me dig into that |
| 09:21:57 | Araq | must be something else... |
| 09:22:00 | Araq | bbl |
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| 09:24:31 | Zevv | I can pass 1 MB without problems, so something else is your problem probably |
| 09:34:34 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> yeah you can increase ARG_MAX. not the constant, but the actual kernel limitation is set by sysctl |
| 09:36:00 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> er... that's macOS actually. |
| 09:36:45 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> posix_spawn can return an E2BIG there. nothing like that for linux |
| 09:41:33 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> after reading on the forum that nim-lang should have more code examples, I came up with https://gist.github.com/jrfondren/c2bc601f28a5c9349bdab52aa3270354 . and it's after that I got liquid more less figured out that I realize I don't want to propose to more code examples to the front page anymore |
| 09:42:12 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> but I thought all language homepages had such things but looking around now, it looks like that fad's over |
| 09:42:41 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> dlang.org has a drop-down list and a bunch of examples. it's the only one like that that I found. |
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| 09:43:56 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> python.org has some small examples that aren't really there to be code examples. they're more like illustrations of the accompanying text. |
| 09:45:01 | FromGitter | <jrfondren> I much preferred the normal webpages, "here's a bunch of separate code examples and a bunch of prose talking about each of them in turn. scroll to read instead of fiddling with HTML forms" |
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| 10:17:08 | leorize | Araq: IIRC the command line size is 1/4 of the stack size |
| 10:17:20 | leorize | use `ulimit` to increase the stack size |
| 10:19:36 | leorize | although I think you might be better off generating a ld script to link your files |
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| 10:26:51 | leorize | oops I was wrong, the arg size is fixed. so creating a linker script is the better option now |
| 10:36:17 | Araq | how can I create such a linker script? |
| 10:41:38 | Zevv | That'll require some fiddling I guess, it's not a common thing to do. Gnu ld scripts are usually only used for mapping sections etc. |
| 10:42:09 | Araq | on Windows I can pass @file to gcc and be done with it :P |
| 10:42:18 | Zevv | yeah :) |
| 10:43:11 | Zevv | hm wait but that doesn't work on linux? |
| 10:43:30 | Araq | I don't know, I assume it's a windows specific extension |
| 10:43:42 | Zevv | I see its in the man page - I never new it existed |
| 10:44:00 | Zevv | I was looking into putting this all in linker scripts, but thats something totally different |
| 10:45:14 | Araq | maybe the command line should be a "file". lol I hate Unix. |
| 10:45:15 | Zevv | it's also for gcc |
| 10:45:33 | Zevv | the command line is just '@file', so the same as your windows case |
| 10:45:40 | Araq | yup, it works :-) |
| 10:45:42 | Araq | I tested it |
| 10:45:46 | Zevv | same here |
| 10:46:00 | Araq | can anybody confirm clang also works with it? |
| 10:46:01 | Zevv | well, good for you. another reason to love unix |
| 10:46:10 | Zevv | confirmed |
| 10:46:18 | Araq | wow that was quick, thanks |
| 10:47:02 | Zevv | well, I didn't need to use my mouse to open an explorer window and click through 13 folders first |
| 10:47:22 | Zevv | I could just type 'clang @cmd' and see the result. God, I love unix |
| 10:48:00 | Zevv | it even works with tcc :) |
| 10:50:15 | Araq | good good |
| 10:50:23 | Araq | time to go outside, bbl |
| 10:50:27 | leorize | in case anyone wonders about linker script. You just need to create a text file full of `INPUT(obj.o)` separated by new lines |
| 10:50:33 | Zevv | enjoy the blazing april sun |
| 10:51:06 | Zevv | leorize: yeah, that's a traditional linker script. But @file just reads regular command line arguments from a file |
| 10:51:22 | Zevv | I'm not sure if you can express all normal cmdline business in a linker script |
| 10:51:22 | leorize | damn, never knew that exists |
| 10:51:33 | Zevv | same here. and it's just in the man page |
| 10:52:07 | leorize | according to ld manual the command line flags are compiled into linker script for linking :p |
| 10:53:02 | leorize | more info here: https://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Scripts.html |
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| 10:56:03 | leorize | !eval echo "Hello" |
| 10:56:04 | NimBot | Compile failed: <no output> |
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| 12:16:44 | dom96 | The server is still free if anyone wants to try setting up the Nim playground on it |
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| 15:17:58 | dom96 | shashlick, reviewed your diff, I did my best to state the changes that were just nit-picks |
| 15:18:05 | dom96 | you don't have to fix them but it would be nice |
| 15:18:18 | dom96 | also, for choosenim I'd like to get 0.4.0 building cleanly on travis |
| 15:18:39 | dom96 | Can you figure out for me where the osinfo conflict comes from? |
| 15:19:18 | dom96 | oh, I see. It's in the analytics package |
| 15:19:27 | dom96 | I'll fix that tonight |
| 15:19:38 | dom96 | also, would be nice to get a more informative error for that from nimble :) |
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| 17:01:42 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> seq[string] isn't equal to seq[cstring]? and I can't force a cstring to string by doing string(st)... btw using javascript target |
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| 17:03:10 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> I implemented json serialization on js side and I am trying to load back strings, which got saved as arrays of ints, that I demangled on JS side, and I can't really use them... when I converted all the seqs to cstring I see numbers on screen |
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| 17:05:08 | dom96 | You can convert cstring to string |
| 17:05:13 | dom96 | Just need to go through each element in the seq |
| 17:06:07 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> how can I force convert a cstring to string? as I said, I tried string(whatever) and it doesn't work |
| 17:06:20 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> and afaik one can't cast in javascript target |
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| 17:09:23 | jasper | If you want a cstring you should be doing cstring(whatever), no? |
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| 17:23:45 | shashlick | Thanks @dom96 I'll review tonight and make fixes |
| 17:24:02 | shashlick | I will remove the imports in the nimble file as part of this pr itself |
| 17:24:23 | shashlick | Also, had all sorts of trouble building choosenim in osx so some work there too |
| 17:24:29 | shashlick | But I'll do that separately |
| 17:24:49 | shashlick | Thanks for taking the time @dom96 and @Araq, appreciate it |
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| 17:33:09 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> nope, I want a string out of a cstring |
| 17:33:29 | Zevv | $ it |
| 17:33:39 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> cstring(whatever) works for making a cstring out of a string, but the other way around, nope |
| 17:33:57 | Zevv | zireal: use the $ operator |
| 17:34:39 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> thanks mate |
| 17:34:43 | FromDiscord | <Zireael> didn't occur to me |
| 17:34:45 | Zevv | http://paste.debian.net/1078643/ |
| 17:34:52 | Zevv | been there :) |
| 17:36:11 | Zevv | lets make toString an alias of `$`, and while we're at it, toJson an alias for `%*` :) |
| 17:36:21 | Zevv | you can use whichever you want, but searching for it is easier |
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| 18:02:51 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Anyone going to release demos created with Nim at Revision 2019? |
| 18:02:51 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> https://2019.revision-party.net/ |
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| 18:07:34 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Live stream: |
| 18:07:34 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> https://www.twitch.tv/revisionparty |
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| 18:39:01 | Araq | Nah, read a basic tutorial instead |
| 18:39:12 | Araq | is there a tutorial that does NOT cover $ ? |
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| 18:57:19 | FromDiscord | <!!Liam is Unlucky> hi, been trying to get a test program to compile, never done nim before, anyone know what I need to get this working |
| 18:57:19 | FromDiscord | <!!Liam is Unlucky> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/569235155416514561/Capture.PNG |
| 18:59:27 | FromGitter | <Grabli66> Hi! Is there a way to call proc by it's name? Something like a reflection. |
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| 19:10:36 | Araq | !!Liam is Unlucky: use the mingw that ships with Nim. |
| 19:11:04 | Araq | Grabli66: no, the general approach is to write a macro that fills a name->proc lookup table |
| 19:11:23 | Araq | there are libraries available that do that but it's also not hard to roll your own |
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| 19:19:02 | planetis[m] | Araq: hello, I have a question, in your post about "quirky exceptions" you said every function call maps to a function call, is that true even if its inside a try block? Also its broken on devel. |
| 19:20:45 | Araq | it's a blog post. |
| 19:21:15 | Araq | it is all true. I write so little because my articles don't have mistakes. |
| 19:21:50 | Araq | what do you mean "broken on devel"? it's not supported. |
| 19:22:01 | Araq | it only got merged to keep it from bitrotting |
| 19:22:04 | planetis[m] | okay my bad :p |
| 19:23:14 | planetis[m] | i mean when trying out the nimquirky branch ;) I get: /home/markedone/build/Nim/lib/system/fatal.nim(23, 5) Error: undeclared identifier: 'cstderr' when compiling a program, used to work. |
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| 19:25:02 | * | planetis[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jaZhkTaGvNVCRCifzVhCeJiD > |
| 19:30:07 | Araq | yeah, use 'devel' instead |
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| 19:40:28 | planetis[m] | seems it's unsupported, good night to y'all, see ya |
| 19:43:17 | Araq | but it is in devel |
| 19:43:38 | Araq | and has a chance of working |
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| 19:47:19 | planetis[m] | araq: sorry i made a mistake in my message. yes i'm on devel and thats the error I'm getting: Nim/lib/system/fatal.nim(23, 5) Error: undeclared identifier: 'cstderr' |
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| 19:50:23 | planetis[m] | anyway good night |
| 19:51:59 | Araq | so strange but I can reproduce |
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| 21:30:08 | solitudesf | on devel path separators in compiler output are instead `7`: `CC: _7lib7packages7docutils7rst` |
| 21:30:27 | solitudesf | anyone else has this problem? |
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| 21:31:43 | Zevv | yeah haha |
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| 21:44:32 | shashlick | @leorize: just tried the nim command you mentioned and there's an fflush defined in libc.so.6 |
| 21:45:21 | shashlick | nm -D | grep fflush exists but there's no fflush@GLIBC |
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| 21:46:58 | Zevv | solitudesf: the 7s seem to be on purpose, Araq did this in 0121dda9 |
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