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08:15:49flyxyglukhov: I believe you searched for this yesterday: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/4874
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09:18:27yglukhovflyx: exactly, thanx. i thought it was already merged though
09:21:02flyxAraq wanted to release 0.15.2 first, because I lazily based it on the fix for #4871, which is a breaking change
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10:26:41FromGitter<dom96> This is nice to see on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12749691
10:27:07FromGitter<dom96> And I saw it right after writing this: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/58d45n/fixing_python_performance_with_rust/d904acy
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11:30:30FromGitter<Jeff-Ciesielski> Anyone with metaprogramming chops: Any idea how one might go about exporting a symbol created inside a template or macro?
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11:33:05flyxJeff-Ciesielski: just use * like you would in regular code
11:33:59flyxJeff-Ciesielski: it is a (I believe the only) postfix operator. look at the output of `dumptree: proc a*()` to see how to build the AST
11:34:46FromGitter<Jeff-Ciesielski> Alright, I'll take a look at that. Simpy affixing an export marker gives a fun 'export is only allowed at top level' error
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11:38:56FromGitter<Araq> well your macro needs to create a proper ast where the exported symbol is a top level statement
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16:05:57dom96what's up guys?
16:06:52Araqdom96: finished the last showstopper
16:06:54federico3compiling Nim on Scaleway cheap servers is soo slow ;)
16:07:04Araqrelease today
16:07:05Araq?
16:08:07Araqthen I can finally merge my stuff for 0.16.
16:08:34Araqincluding reworked type checking for "unsigned" and a shared memory GC :-)
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16:08:47Araqbbs
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16:11:41dom96Araq: cool. Sure.
16:12:45dom96It's amazing how much using Python at work makes me appreciate Nim
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16:13:52Calinouhi dom96, I now have a Xubuntu 16.10 dual boot on desktop and laptop :)
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16:14:07Calinouworks very well (almost... have a few issues with Qt apps not appearing in tray)
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16:21:14dom96Calinou: nice.
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16:27:08Araqdom96: we need to discuss https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/4866 again, I think
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16:48:36dom96I guess let's install them to $nim/lib/packages/compiler?
16:51:58Araqbut then if you also have the nimble package, which one is picked?
16:52:18dom96good question
16:52:28dom96Does Nim support multiple --nimblePaths?
16:53:33Araqyes, I think so
16:54:56dom96so what logic does that use?
16:55:02dom96I presume the order of --nimblePaths right?
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16:55:41dom96Hrm. I think the logic should be:
16:55:52dom961. Find latest version of package in nimble paths
16:56:04dom962. if the same version exists in two different nimble paths throw an error
16:58:40federico3ouch, nimgrep failed to build on ARM
16:59:11Araqfederico3: why?
16:59:47federico3apparently one of the runs of gcc is missing -fPIC
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18:00:36Araqdom96: well it seems this would cause more issues than it solves
18:01:01dom96why?
18:06:26Araqbecause if people install to /usr they should simply install the compiler's source code via Nimble
18:06:58Araqwhy should $nim/compiler suddenly move to /lib/nim/compiler ?
18:07:08Araqit's not in /lib on github
18:07:22Araqand more differences to the github layout cannot be good.
18:07:33Araqpeople already are confused by the differences.
18:08:08Araqthis is part of our "new philosophy".
18:08:34Araqinstead of supporting every set of bizzare build instructions, we have 2 clearly documented set of instructions.
18:08:41Araqone for the tarball, one for github.
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18:20:09dom96what do you suggest then?
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18:23:36Araqlet's do nothing. :-)
18:26:30dom96I don't think that's a good solution
18:27:11dom96I also disagree with your reasoning
18:27:22Araqwhat's the problem? broken Linux packages? wow, that's news.
18:27:25dom96the build instructions stay the same
18:27:38dom96we don't have to deal with this now
18:27:45dom96but it will need to be dealt with at some point
18:28:01dom96There will need to be a global Nimble package path anyway
18:28:06AraqI'm trying to ensure 'koch distrohelper' gets everything right
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18:30:41Araqbut I won't do anything else.
18:34:22Araqit's not enough to disagree with me btw. You also have to be unable to explain your opinion.
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18:38:20dom96not sure what you mean
18:40:19Araqyou haven't explained why you disagree.
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18:45:45dom96because the build instructions stay the same
18:45:57dom96I did say that
18:46:29Araqsorry, I failed to make the connection
18:47:48euantorOut of interest, what made you decide to write Koch rather than using makefiles? Koch is a good tool, just interested to know what the reason to avoid make was in the beginning?
18:48:14Araqbootstrapping is a recursive dependency.
18:48:25Araqbuild tools suck at recursive deps.
18:48:33euantorAh, that makes sense. Thanks
18:48:43Araqmakefiles cannot even handle whitespace in a sane way anyway.
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18:49:26euantorI'm used to my C# ways of creating a project in Visual Studio, hitting build and it just working 99% of the time
18:49:45euantorOnly exception is when I do something different like calling out to a C DLL or some COM rubbish
18:55:10Araqeuantor: I'm also not sure why building steps need to be declarative rather than imperative. Imperative tends to be more flexible in the long run.
18:57:20Araqit makes sense if your program is also written declaratively, but building 100K LOCs in imperative style and then pretending to be unable to do the same for the build instructions is simply not rational.
19:04:04dom96Okay. I'm officially confused by how to actually install Nim.
19:04:19Araq:-)
19:04:27dom96(And related tools)
19:04:34Araqok, good. what needs clarification?
19:04:55dom96I think I understand, but it just seems like too much
19:05:25dom96install.sh and install_tools.nims
19:05:43dom96and then it's all different if you're installing from Github
19:06:01Araqinstall.sh is only for packagers
19:06:10dom96So let's rename it
19:06:26Araqand break the packages? o.O
19:06:45Araqwe can officially deprecate it
19:06:55Araqand then rename it, I guess
19:07:07dom96Yes, they need to be updated to handle Nimble anyway no?
19:07:51dom96It just feels like a big mess
19:07:56dom96and now you've added koch finish as well
19:08:00dom96or whatever it's called
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19:09:01dom96IMO we need to think about this
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19:09:12dom96and actually consider the UX
19:09:32AraqI thought about it
19:10:21dom96what do you think about this? http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2584
19:10:34dom96I'm too tired to think about this right now to be honest
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19:27:08Araqfinish.exe is only for Windows and only a tool to setup PATH and figure out which GCC version you have
19:27:20AraqNimble is part of the installation.
19:27:52Araqit's all simple enough if you can follow the instructions
19:28:12Araqand it's essentially not fixable if you install Nim via a broken package.
19:29:07Araqbut then that's a packaging problem.
19:30:30Araqand packaging problems are everywhere anyway and will never go away because the root causes are never addressed but patched over.
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