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| 08:17:09 | vegansk | I'm trying to solve https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3333 and I have a question about compiler's type "ast.TStrTable". Why it is implemented via sequence? Maybe it's better to reimplement it via tables module? |
| 08:21:37 | dom96 | vegansk: Likely because the tables module wasn't there when it was implemented. |
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| 08:24:21 | vegansk | dom96: So, does it make sense to do it now? |
| 08:25:04 | dom96 | vegansk: the current implementation might be more efficient |
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| 08:30:32 | vegansk | dom96: If so, it's to bad for tables module :-) |
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| 09:58:42 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel d93ae34 Aman Gupta [+0 ±2 -0]: s/advanted/advanced/g |
| 09:58:42 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 50b4406 Aman Gupta [+0 ±1 -0]: s/acces/access/g |
| 09:58:42 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel cd40137 Aman Gupta [+0 ±2 -0]: mark code-blocks in 2d/3d docs |
| 09:58:42 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 08f9bae Andreas Rumpf [+0 ±4 -0]: Merge pull request #3352 from tmm1/fix-doc-typos... 2 more lines |
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| 10:21:04 | Araq | dom96: so ... nimforum doesn't compile with devel? |
| 10:21:42 | dom96 | nope |
| 10:22:09 | Araq | yay |
| 10:23:08 | dom96 | I made a comment on the commit that I think broke it |
| 10:23:56 | Araq | I noticed |
| 10:31:03 | Araq | .nimble\pkgs\jester-0.1.0\jester.nim(188, 71) Error: use '^' instead of '-'; negative indexing is obsolete |
| 10:31:33 | Araq | nimble update jester |
| 10:31:41 | Araq | Downloading package list from jester |
| 10:31:47 | Araq | --> spot the problem ;-) |
| 10:33:48 | dom96 | nimble install jester@#head |
| 10:34:56 | Araq | yes, my point is: "nimble update" is not intuitive |
| 10:35:34 | Araq | "nimble update jester" should do what I think or not exist |
| 10:35:48 | Araq | also the 404 download produces a broken packages.json file |
| 10:36:19 | Araq | "nimble update" should be "nimble refresh" |
| 10:36:45 | Araq | or even "nimble update_package_list" |
| 10:58:30 | dom96 | Pretty sure we already discussed this |
| 10:59:17 | dom96 | and once again: I won't change it |
| 10:59:41 | dom96 | It's easy to figure out what 'nimble update' is doing |
| 10:59:47 | Araq | well if I stumble upon it every time |
| 10:59:56 | Araq | maybe it's a valid reason to change it? |
| 10:59:57 | dom96 | then that's because you don't use Nimble enough |
| 11:00:16 | Araq | nimble needs to care about the casual users too |
| 11:00:32 | dom96 | Many package managers work this way |
| 11:01:15 | dom96 | apt-get works this way |
| 11:01:24 | dom96 | and has an 'upgrade' which is very confusing |
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| 11:03:19 | dom96 | but we might get that too :P |
| 11:04:02 | Araq | ok, I will use my own nimble fork then :P |
| 11:04:54 | softinio | Lol |
| 11:05:57 | dom96 | I'm willing to change it if there are people who agree with you. |
| 11:06:15 | dom96 | So post on the forum if you really think this is so important |
| 11:06:20 | dom96 | :P |
| 11:06:34 | Araq | ha, you think I'm too lazy to do that. |
| 11:06:39 | Araq | but I'm not. |
| 11:07:25 | dom96 | hah |
| 11:08:19 | dom96 | Araq: Argh. I need to order those Nim stickers. |
| 11:08:31 | dom96 | Araq: So how many should I get? |
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| 11:10:30 | Araq | what about the T-shirts? |
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| 11:13:48 | softinio | are you guys creating them to sell or are they already online for us to order? |
| 11:14:24 | Araq | neither, to give away for free at OSCON |
| 11:14:32 | Araq | (right?) |
| 11:14:47 | dom96 | t-shirts are too expensive I think |
| 11:15:10 | dom96 | but yeah, stickers will be given out |
| 11:16:41 | dom96 | I think it would be cool to sell T-shirts online |
| 11:17:32 | Araq | true |
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| 11:29:42 | softinio | selling t-shirts and stickers online would be a good idea for sure |
| 11:31:38 | vegansk | What's wrong with "Option[lst.List[T]]" where lst: "import List as lst"? |
| 11:31:56 | vegansk | Error: could not resolve: []((nimtests.List|List.List), T) |
| 11:33:09 | Araq | you also have a nimtests.List? |
| 11:33:25 | vegansk | No! |
| 11:33:48 | Araq | well the compiler thinks you do :P |
| 11:34:17 | vegansk | It's https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3333 |
| 11:35:24 | vegansk | Modified lines with import and proc definition, that cause the error |
| 11:36:03 | vegansk | Command line: ./koch temp c --verbosity:3 ~/work/nim/nimtests/issues/3333/types.nim |
| 11:36:28 | vegansk | Command line contains "nimtests" somewhere :-) |
| 11:36:31 | dom96 | Araq: Well? |
| 11:36:54 | Araq | dom96: 50 |
| 11:37:50 | dom96 | Araq: Just £8 more for 100 :P |
| 11:39:59 | dom96 | also, which size do you think would be best? smallest is 5cm x 5cm, biggest 15cm x 15cm. I'm thinking of getting 7.5cm x 7.5cm |
| 11:41:37 | Araq | hrm I think 5² is fine |
| 11:41:39 | Araq | bbl |
| 11:41:58 | dom96 | ok |
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| 12:19:43 | dom96 | Araq: we should probably aim to release today |
| 12:19:47 | dom96 | er |
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| 12:19:55 | dom96 | by the end of this week |
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| 12:41:36 | dom96 | Impressed by how fast people responded http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1655 |
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| 13:04:38 | softinio | what is a good resource to learn about aim's ast, templates and macros ? |
| 13:04:46 | softinio | nim's |
| 13:05:08 | Araq | softinio: tut 2 at least tells you how can figure out the ASTs on your own |
| 13:06:23 | softinio | @Araq ok thanks will look |
| 13:07:11 | yglukhov | Araq: does Nim do return value value optimization? |
| 13:07:24 | Araq | yglukhov: yes |
| 13:07:39 | yglukhov | is it done in semantics? |
| 13:08:15 | yglukhov | can i ask semantics to do that for js? |
| 13:08:52 | Araq | no. it's mostly done in the C backend |
| 13:09:37 | yglukhov | pity. it would be cool for js too. |
| 13:09:54 | yglukhov | do you think we could factor it out to semantics? |
| 13:10:26 | Araq | it's not easy. |
| 13:11:16 | Araq | the C backend knows that e.g. a tuple of strings is Nim-only and so rewrites x = foo() to foo(x) for this type |
| 13:11:35 | Araq | that is not valid for the JS target |
| 13:11:48 | Araq | as 'foo' might have been imported |
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| 13:13:47 | yglukhov | i know. i'm thinking of the following concept. semantics engine should be configured by the backend. e.g. a backend could provide a predicate whether a proc symbol should be lambda-lifted. another predicate whether proc sym should be return-value-optimized, etc. |
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| 13:15:04 | yglukhov | so thet backends will decide whether a sym should be optimized, by analizing the types. and semantics will do all the heavy lifting. |
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| 13:15:48 | Araq | doesn't really work, compile-time eval is a "backend within a backend" and has its own restrictions |
| 13:16:18 | Araq | also, you're describing an optimization pass, has nothing to do with semantics |
| 13:17:55 | yglukhov | ah, good point. can we factor it out to an optimization pass? ;) and then tweak it a bit to work with js? =)) |
| 13:18:41 | yglukhov | any keywords to start grepping? |
| 13:20:31 | Araq | you can factor it out, but it's a bad idea. just write it from scratch. |
| 13:21:15 | Araq | the logic in the C codegen is mostly based on ccgtypes.isInvalidReturnType iirc |
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| 13:33:09 | Araq | dom96: can you test my nimble PR? |
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| 13:50:24 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 73279ab Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: added unicode.lastRun, unicode.graphemeLen |
| 13:50:24 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel c04e17a Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: minor bugfix for transf pass after lambda-lifting |
| 13:50:24 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel ba4dd92 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: fixes regression: NimForum compiles again |
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| 15:36:04 | baf_ | Hi all. Please, tell me, how can I return null from proc if something goes wrong? |
| 15:37:11 | baf_ | For example, I am writing a function to read a file: proc readFile*(filename: string): string = |
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| 15:37:53 | baf_ | And then I am creating fileStream: var f = newFileStream(filename, fmRead) |
| 15:38:37 | baf_ | So, how can I return nil if(f == nil) instead of empty string? |
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| 15:41:57 | dom96 | hello baf_ |
| 15:42:19 | dom96 | if f == nil: return nil ? |
| 15:45:23 | baf_ | Ok, it works with string, but don't works with tables: Error: type mismatch: got (nil) but expected 'Table[string, string]' |
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| 15:46:29 | dom96 | That's because Table[] is a value type |
| 15:46:34 | dom96 | so it can't be nil |
| 15:46:43 | dom96 | use TableRef or Option[T] |
| 15:48:39 | baf_ | Can you show me an example code with returning Table(Ref?) or nil, please? |
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| 15:51:51 | reactormonk | baf_, Option[T] is easier. |
| 15:52:15 | reactormonk | baf_, if you want reference semantics, TableRef is the way to go. |
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| 16:03:10 | dom96 | baf_: https://gist.github.com/dom96/41663f1d3a0c8e7eaf2e |
| 16:06:45 | baf_ | dom96, thanks a lot! |
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| 16:07:23 | baf_ | reactormonk, thank you too, will also try this library |
| 16:16:36 | dom96 | np :) |
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| 16:19:10 | dom96 | Araq: btw the bug that crashed NimBot is fixed :D |
| 16:19:20 | dom96 | so well done |
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| 16:23:51 | dhertz | Hi all |
| 16:24:34 | dhertz | Is there a way to tell nimble you'd like to use a package not in it's JSON? Like giving a github URL |
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| 16:54:58 | Araq | dhertz: not sure, but if not, it definitely is a planned feature |
| 16:55:05 | Araq | I think you can nimble install url |
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| 17:13:51 | dom96 | dhertz: yep, you can nimble install git://github.com/dom96/jester for example |
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| 17:44:00 | dhertz | dom96: there is there a way to add that to my component.nimble? |
| 17:44:16 | dom96 | yeah |
| 17:44:34 | dom96 | Under [Deps] |
| 17:44:53 | dom96 | Requires: "https://github.com/.../... >= 0.1.0" |
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| 17:54:16 | dhertz | Awesome thanks |
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| 20:15:47 | Araq | yay, more regressions |
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| 20:31:28 | dhertz | Araq: Sorry :( |
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| 20:36:29 | Araq | sometimes I wonder ... |
| 20:36:58 | strcmp1 | about? |
| 20:37:03 | strcmp1 | the meaning of it all? |
| 20:37:04 | Araq | how can we have > 1000 tests and this regression at the same time? |
| 20:37:06 | strcmp1 | me too, me too |
| 20:37:14 | Araq | proc foo(a: openArray[int]) = |
| 20:37:16 | Araq | a[0..100] |
| 20:37:22 | Araq | Error: could not resolve: [](a, 0 .. 100) |
| 20:37:25 | Araq | WTF? |
| 20:37:27 | strcmp1 | oh i see. i'm a philsopher. im probably in the wrong place. |
| 20:39:10 | Araq | oh I see |
| 20:39:20 | Araq | we never supported that for openArrays |
| 20:39:23 | Araq | good. |
| 20:39:41 | strcmp1 | good:) |
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| 21:47:56 | ryu0 | Araq: question. why did you design arrays with a declaration of a starting index when it's typically going to be 0? i've seen that in a few language but never saw the reason why, since arrays are normally declared with just a size or length, and indexed from 0 to length - 1. |
| 21:49:04 | Araq | ryu0: const lookupTable: array [enumValA..enumValZ, string] = ["A", "B", "Z"] |
| 21:49:14 | dom96 | Araq: 1k tests is really not much |
| 21:49:27 | dom96 | time to polish that test coverage tool |
| 21:49:34 | Araq | dom96: these are "compressed" tests though |
| 21:50:15 | Araq | also code coverage for the compiler is useless, there is hardly a single line in the compiler that wasn't added because some code required it |
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| 21:56:50 | dom96 | not useless for the stdlib though |
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| 21:59:58 | Araq | ryu0: I agree that in retrospect it's somewhat overengineered. but array[3, int] works too, so *shrug* |
| 22:00:42 | ryu0 | Araq: is it only for convenience? |
| 22:01:17 | ryu0 | Araq: it looked like your example was a lookup table to convert enums to strings. |
| 22:01:52 | ryu0 | hm. |
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