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| 00:03:19 | dom96 | I don't think there is any other way to do it |
| 00:09:05 | gmpreussner | ok |
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| 00:22:32 | ldlework | why does unittest module report 0/0 tests passed? https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/7178807ec12e020b34bf |
| 00:22:53 | ldlework | oh I see nm |
| 00:23:01 | awsteele | what was the issue? |
| 00:25:51 | ldlework | awsteele: I was still running einheit's test runner |
| 00:25:59 | ldlework | the unittest module doesn't report how many suceeded and such |
| 00:26:07 | awsteele | ah ok |
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| 00:32:39 | ldlework | oh dang, the unittest module's `check` has the same problems as einheits -.- |
| 00:33:52 | ldlework | oh well |
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| 00:51:34 | ldlework | ... the unittest module runs tests automatically -.- |
| 00:52:01 | ldlework | lol god damn it |
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| 01:09:24 | ldlework | The difference between these two files causes a segfault while compiling: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/74047a67b446e181095e |
| 01:10:26 | ldlework | If remove the use of the RNG concept |
| 01:10:34 | ldlework | and use a MersenneTwister directly, it compilers |
| 01:10:37 | ldlework | compiles |
| 01:11:06 | ldlework | I wonder how much of Nim itself is unit tested |
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| 01:27:06 | lxdong | anyone here? |
| 01:27:12 | def- | lxdong: sure, what's up? |
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| 01:35:13 | lxdong | I'm from China and I guess it is late in your time zone.I saw GSoC list and want to talk about one thing,is it possible to rewrite javascript in Nim? |
| 01:35:43 | Xe | of course, nim is turing complete and so is a parser-evaluator |
| 01:36:02 | def- | lxdong: what do you mean by "rewrite javascript in Nim"? We can compile Nim to Javascript target already |
| 01:36:22 | ldlework | maybe implement a javascript runtime with Nim |
| 01:36:43 | awsteele | i've been using duktape.org as a VM for executing JS scripts from nim |
| 01:37:00 | awsteele | much easier integration than google's V8 or other huge projects |
| 01:38:13 | lxdong | javascript itself has some issues, like performance ,doesn't it? |
| 01:38:45 | def- | lxdong: i think modern js engines are very performant and asm.js will help as well |
| 01:39:26 | def- | lxdong: and i guess that would be the way forward if you want to use Nim as a JS replacement, to get Nim to compile to asm.js directly |
| 01:39:56 | lxdong | you mean even it is possible ,it isn't necessary? |
| 01:40:58 | lxdong | you mean even it is possible ,it isn't necessary? |
| 01:41:20 | def- | the main problem with client-side languages for the web is that browsers only support JS, so no chance to get a new language into all browsers |
| 01:43:52 | lxdong | Mozilla claims they are developing next generation browser in Rust, it is a huge work, do you think it worth a try? |
| 01:44:32 | def- | lxdong: sure, it's an interesting experiment and rust is a great language for that: highest performance and memory safety in one |
| 01:45:58 | lxdong | I found Nim is greater and simpler |
| 01:48:31 | def- | but Nim uses garbage collection and you have the choice between "unsafe and fast" and "safe and slower" |
| 01:50:18 | def- | Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Nim fan, but if you need safety, bare-metal performance and don't want a GC that could slow you down, I'd try Rust as well |
| 01:51:29 | ldlework | traitor |
| 01:51:39 | lxdong | :) |
| 01:51:51 | ldlework | hehe |
| 01:52:50 | def- | I'm just realistic, I think most programs don't have these requirements |
| 01:55:46 | lxdong | do you all go to bed late? |
| 01:57:24 | lxdong | it is time to go to sleep |
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| 02:00:14 | lxdong | go to bed early and get up early keep you fit |
| 02:03:49 | lxdong | There is a proverb in China, That which is long divided must unify; that which is long unified must divide. I think the control of underlying hardware,system programming,web,app are going to unify,probably in Nim. |
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| 02:14:31 | lxdong | I created a topic #nim-in-China ,looking forward to making contributions to spread Nim nation wide with you. |
| 02:22:55 | lxdong | I lived in Xi'an City where Mark Elliot Zuckerberg made a visit to Terracotta Army last month. You are welcomed to join us. |
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| 06:04:29 | lxdong | hello there |
| 06:04:51 | lxdong | in dream? |
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| 06:06:12 | lxdong | what is the time in your time zone? |
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| 06:39:15 | hcorion | Hi all, I'm having troubles with writing to a file in Nim 0.13.1. Currently I've declared a string 'var config: string = "blah blah blah"' and then I've got 'writeFile(variable & "config", string)' and when I run the executable (it compiles fine) I get SIGSEGV: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?) And when I look that up on the 'net I get results about string initialization, is there a special way to initialize my string? |
| 06:43:33 | hcorion | I am using three quotation marks for my string, I dunno if that matters, ex. var config: string = """ blah """ & var1 & """ |
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| 06:52:20 | lxdong | I tried with success. |
| 06:53:38 | lxdong | writeFile("/tmp/hello",config) is ok |
| 06:55:01 | hcorion | Weird, my config variable is multi-line I wonder if that is the problem |
| 06:56:37 | lxdong | also ok,what exactly did you pass into writeFile() |
| 06:57:20 | lxdong | the first param |
| 06:58:15 | lxdong | try mine |
| 06:58:39 | hcorion | (I'm on windows) I got the working directory by doing var directory: string = getCurrentDir() and then I go writeFile(directory & "config.yml", config) |
| 07:02:17 | lxdong | Araq suggested me using add for string concatenation, and you better check the result directory & "config.yml" |
| 07:03:02 | lxdong | that is directory.add("config.yml") |
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| 07:37:02 | lxdong | ZZZzzz… |
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| 08:57:55 | lxdong | morning |
| 09:00:21 | Araq | lxdong: hi |
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| 09:02:49 | lxdong_ | my lord... |
| 09:03:31 | lxdong_ | thanks for you suggestions |
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| 09:04:39 | lxdong_ | timeout... |
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| 09:05:23 | lxdong_ | Do I have a chance to join GSoC? |
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| 09:15:30 | lxdong_ | Consider my capability,I want to apply for the Implement a Nim backend for the Ragel state machine compiler |
| 09:18:36 | Araq | lxdong_: sure but first we need to be accepted |
| 09:21:04 | lxdong_ | Shall I write a resume to the mentor? |
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| 09:23:34 | dom96_ | lxdong_: You need to wait until the 29th. If Nim is accepted as an organisation then you will be able to apply. See timeline here: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 09:24:13 | lxdong_ | got |
| 09:24:20 | dom96_ | lxdong_: You can start writing your application now for the Nim org, but if we don't get accepted then you won't be able to submit it. |
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| 09:25:39 | lxdong_ | the features in the list are great, without GSoC, what about these features? |
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| 09:30:36 | Arrrr | Was the -o option modified recently? the output folder is not longer relative to the source |
| 09:32:29 | dom96_ | lxdong_: someone will hopefully implement them voluntarily :) |
| 09:34:02 | dom96_ | Arrrr: yeah, it was. See https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3871 |
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| 09:34:46 | Arrrr | Ah, ok ... |
| 09:36:10 | Arrrr | long time no nim |
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| 09:42:16 | Arrrr | I'm not sure is a good change however. Doesn't it make more sense to be relative to the project? |
| 09:42:50 | lxdong | @dom96_ how is Nim in Action going on? |
| 09:45:35 | lxdong | I'm interested in translating it into Chinese |
| 09:49:55 | dom96_ | lxdong: it's going well. Would be really awesome if you could do that! |
| 09:51:16 | lxdong | I am a recommended translator in Turing Publication in China |
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| 09:52:10 | dom96_ | lxdong: You should get in touch with my publisher (Manning) if you really want to do that. |
| 09:52:15 | dom96_ | It's up to them in the end |
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| 09:53:45 | lxdong | I've checked the procedure of importing a foreign work, know a little bit |
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| 09:59:18 | lxdong | Will you offer me a convenience to get in touch with them? |
| 10:05:28 | lxdong | Will their email, facebook, twitter work? |
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| 10:12:45 | r-ku | is there a way to have macro or something that i could use like u"some string".doSomething() where u converts string to other type? basically i want to avoid () in (u"some string").doSomething() |
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| 11:55:31 | lxdong | Today is the Lantern Festival in China, Happy Lantern Festival! |
| 12:00:51 | Arrrr | What do people do in the lantern festival ? |
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| 12:07:55 | lxdong | eat rice dumpling or so-called Tang-yuan,set off fireworks and crackers, and people in the festival must guess the answer from a word , a poem or a phrase, guessing the lantern riddles are as hard as fighting with a tiger, so that lantern riddles have another name - 'lantern tigers'. |
| 12:08:21 | Arrrr | Do lanterns have any sexual connotation? |
| 12:08:24 | coffeepot | that sounds fun :) |
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| 12:09:30 | lxdong | it is a traditional chinese festival |
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| 12:22:33 | lxdong | Everything about sex was oppressed in the two thousand year long feudal society until the western culture impacts in modern times |
| 12:28:15 | lxdong | fireworks and crackers make toxic haze |
| 12:29:21 | federico3 | lxdong: #nim-offtopic :) |
| 12:30:11 | lxdong | thanks for reminding |
| 12:30:57 | federico3 | oh you are not in that channel - happy Lantern Festival anyways |
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| 12:32:45 | gokr | lxdong: Cool, my daughters are both from Guangdong, will ... check this out :) |
| 12:36:36 | lxdong | welcome to #nim-in-China |
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| 12:39:14 | federico3 | lxdong_: is Nim that popular in China? |
| 12:39:56 | Arrrr | let's see |
| 12:40:13 | lxdong | not now |
| 12:40:21 | lxdong | I think it will |
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| 13:23:20 | Varriount | dom96: There's some spam on the forum at http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2059 |
| 13:25:47 | Arrrr | How do i represent infinite in nim? |
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| 13:27:43 | Araq | system.Inf |
| 13:27:56 | Arrrr | Good grief! thanks |
| 13:28:39 | r-ku | is it possible to provide custom high() for my own type? defining one seems to break lots of stuff |
| 13:28:54 | Araq | no, high is not overloadable |
| 13:29:07 | Araq | the spec says that. we could support it though. |
| 13:29:29 | r-ku | alright, just wanted to make sure if dirty workaround is worthy it's life. thanks |
| 13:34:15 | Varriount | Araq: What do you do if you wan to define your own sequence type? |
| 13:34:33 | Varriount | I mean, in the context of writing a high() proc |
| 13:35:11 | Araq | well a "sequence like" type is something with 'len' |
| 13:35:17 | Araq | not with 'high' |
| 13:35:25 | Araq | generic algorithms should use 'len', not 'high' |
| 13:35:47 | Araq | high should only exist for enums I guess. |
| 13:36:09 | r-ku | how about containers that arent indexed from 0? |
| 13:36:35 | Araq | or we keep 'high' a builtin that rewrites to 'len-1' but is not overloadable |
| 13:37:43 | r-ku | still would break for anything indexed from 1 onwards. shouldnt it be low + len - 1? |
| 13:38:25 | Araq | indexing from 1 is simply not popular enough to even think about it, IMO. |
| 13:39:24 | r-ku | true, but would you really be willing to have indexing from 1 and high() that breaks with such indexing? |
| 13:40:27 | Araq | well high continues to work as it is, but would be expanded in one way or the other. I don't see any problems. |
| 13:41:24 | Varriount | Araq: r-ku is talking about how having `high` proc that defaults to len()-1 would break containers based on indexing from 1 |
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| 13:44:06 | Araq | in other places (like for ^) we already give a static error when low(x) is not 0. |
| 13:44:28 | r-ku | btw Araq will we ever be able to make slices with negative indexes? i understand they cant be used with stuff in stdlib and ^ should be used but other code would benefit from it. now people like me are forced to make new slice operator just so i can have slices i want in my own code. i would rather just use default slice operator and write code to handle that as i want to. |
| 13:44:29 | lxdong | error? |
| 13:47:05 | Araq | r-ku: not sure what you mean. nor why -1 is so much more preferable than ^1. I like ^1 better. let i = stdin.readLine.parseInt; x[i] # does -1 really mean last element here? |
| 13:48:23 | r-ku | lets pretend i want to make a function that iterates on any range, backwards or forwards, be nice if i could do -1..10 or 10..-1 and such. negative indexes are not limited to slicing stuff |
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| 13:49:22 | r-ku | i understand rationale behind ^ operator, but compiler error on 10..-1 telling to use ^ is just limiting |
| 13:49:39 | Araq | ah! |
| 13:49:56 | Araq | now I understand. there is some legacy error message left in the compiler |
| 13:50:08 | Araq | create a PR to remove it. |
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| 13:51:47 | r-ku | Araq great. just to make sure its error "use '^' instead of '-'; negative indexing is obsolete". You added it for forcing old code to migrate. Sure its ok to remove it? Just double-checking if we are talking about same thing heh |
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| 13:52:04 | Araq | yup, go ahead. |
| 13:52:29 | * | r-ku hears crows around the world joyfully cheering |
| 13:52:35 | r-ku | crowds* omg.. |
| 13:53:16 | r-ku | Araq may i also slip in ..- operator in same PR so we can write 1..-1 instead of 1.. -1? |
| 13:53:47 | Araq | ok |
| 13:54:44 | coffeepot | I take it `..` doesn't work with counting down? We need to use countdown, right? |
| 13:55:19 | reactormonk | coffeepot, you could try overloading on static. But don't expect it to. |
| 13:55:41 | coffeepot | I don't mind using countdown, just curious :) |
| 13:56:27 | Araq | coffeepot: yeah use countdown |
| 13:56:58 | coffeepot | cool |
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| 14:07:03 | r-ku | PR created https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/3892 |
| 14:08:53 | r-ku | coffeepot though with negative slices we can make something that works like enumerate(1..10) or enumerate(10..-10) or even enumerate(-20..-10) |
| 14:10:03 | coffeepot | r-ku: given a list of 0..10, what would enumerate (0..-10) give then? Would this reverse the list or count up from -10 to 0? |
| 14:12:15 | r-ku | obvious thing is that it works like start..end so i would expect it to go from 0 to -10 with step 1 if no step specified, sure we could add param for step too |
| 14:15:06 | coffeepot | cool, well it'd be nice if `..` could handle counting down but I guess it could get confusing if the slice syntax is allowing -X to refer to high-X |
| 14:16:04 | Araq | I would use ./ for up and .\ for down |
| 14:16:46 | Araq | or perhaps nice unicode operators ... |
| 14:17:11 | r-ku | he cant be serious ;) |
| 14:17:59 | Araq | for x in 1 ./ 10 for x in -1 .\ -10 |
| 14:18:12 | Araq | not too bad IMHO. |
| 14:19:05 | r-ku | i have suggestion for unicode operators: for up and for down ;) |
| 14:19:15 | coffeepot | lmao |
| 14:19:39 | coffeepot | the code would look amazing then, r-ku |
| 14:19:59 | r-ku | we should not stop here though ;)) |
| 14:20:22 | Araq | er ... since negative indexing still is not the default |
| 14:20:31 | Araq | why does system.nim need ..- ? |
| 14:20:51 | r-ku | so someone can write 1..-1 instead of 1.. -1 |
| 14:21:02 | r-ku | same reason ..^ template exists |
| 14:21:07 | coffeepot | what's the error reported if you write 1..-1? |
| 14:21:22 | coffeepot | is it obvious you just need to add a space? |
| 14:21:30 | coffeepot | from the error |
| 14:21:37 | r-ku | undeclared identifier: '..-' |
| 14:21:56 | coffeepot | ah |
| 14:22:04 | coffeepot | that's not tooo bad is it? |
| 14:22:13 | r-ku | but you know.. can write 1..2, 1..^2, but not 1..-2. discrimination |
| 14:22:48 | coffeepot | wait what does 1..^2 do? |
| 14:23:23 | coffeepot | from 1..-1? |
| 14:23:23 | r-ku | "abc"[1..^2] == "b" |
| 14:23:51 | coffeepot | ah sorry i thought we were still on for loops :) |
| 14:24:13 | Araq | r-ku: positive discrimination. 1..-2 doesn't do what you want. |
| 14:24:51 | r-ku | Araq what argument you can possibly give to me that would prove "1.. -2" is more correct than "1..-2"? |
| 14:25:16 | r-ku | i would swing it around and tell you that same applies to "1..^2" vs "1.. ^2" |
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| 14:27:20 | Araq | The argument is "why special syntactic support for something that has semantic issues to begin with" |
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| 14:27:36 | Araq | good luck with applying that argument to ..^ |
| 14:28:30 | r-ku | im confused |
| 14:28:43 | r-ku | about 30 mins ago i asked if this is ok and you agreed |
| 14:28:44 | r-ku | [15:53:16] <r-ku> Araq may i also slip in ..- operator in same PR so we can write 1..-1 instead of 1.. -1? |
| 14:28:44 | r-ku | [15:53:47] <Araq> ok |
| 14:28:52 | r-ku | now we are debating this |
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| 14:29:17 | Araq | yes. I changed my mind. |
| 14:29:35 | Araq | and explained my reasons. |
| 14:30:22 | r-ku | then maybe you could explain what "semantic issues" ..- has and ..^ doesnt? because if i remove ..^ template it chokes on very same error so as far as i can see they both are recognized by compiler exactly same way |
| 14:31:09 | Araq | the difference is that **system.nim** supports s[1 .. ^2] but not s[1 .. -2] |
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| 14:31:39 | Araq | so we have ..^ as a convenient shortcut |
| 14:31:47 | r-ku | 1 .. -2 is for people to use, not for stdlib though |
| 14:31:48 | Araq | and no need to do the same for ..- |
| 14:32:04 | Araq | if your new ranges support negative indexing |
| 14:32:13 | Araq | then add the ..- template to your code, not to system.nim |
| 14:32:47 | Araq | does that make sense to you? ;-) |
| 14:33:21 | r-ku | not really, because it does not hurt and there will be questions on forum why exactly it doesnt work this way, but ok |
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| 14:40:12 | r-ku | updated PR, removed that template |
| 14:42:59 | lxdong | it's fun to see your conversation, good night. |
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| 14:45:17 | lxdong | again , if you are not only interested in Nim but also the chinese culture and food, welcome to #nim-in-China |
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| 14:46:34 | coffeepot | cool, see you soon Ixdong! |
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| 14:54:10 | Araq | Varriount: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/3880 |
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| 17:55:17 | Varriount | Araq: Replied |
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| 20:14:36 | Varriount_ | onionhammer: I don't suppose you could investigate why the syntax file in NimLime is throwing errors in the debug console? |
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| 20:39:20 | federico3 | dom96: are you looking for reviewers through Manning Manuscript? |
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| 20:58:37 | dom96 | federico3: Not really sure what that is? |
| 20:59:36 | federico3 | dom96: this https://www.manning.com/manuscript-reviews |
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| 21:09:23 | dom96 | federico3: I'm not actively looking for any, no. |
| 21:09:44 | dom96 | If you buy Nim in Action then I really want your feedback though :) |
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| 22:36:40 | onionhammer | Varriount_: which errors? |
| 22:36:51 | Varriount_ | onionhammer: The scope ones |
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| 22:37:05 | Varriount_ | onionhammer: I think it has to do with the recent update. |
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| 22:37:44 | dyce_ | yay nim uses less ram than go for a hello word http server |
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| 22:39:24 | onionhammer | Varriount: i dont see anything in the log.. |
| 22:39:45 | Varriount | onionhammer: You mean, the Sublime Text changelog? |
| 22:40:08 | onionhammer | in the log, Ctrl+` |
| 22:40:27 | Varriount | onionhammer: |
| 22:40:29 | Varriount | Error loading scope:source.glsl: Unable to find syntax file for scope source.glsl in Packages/NimLime/Syntaxes/Nim.tmLanguage |
| 22:40:29 | Varriount | Error loading scope:source.asm: Unable to find syntax file for scope source.asm in Packages/NimLime/Syntaxes/Nim.tmLanguage |
| 22:40:33 | onionhammer | oooh |
| 22:40:42 | onionhammer | im not seeing them now |
| 22:43:09 | onionhammer | Varriount: uninstalled from repo & installed by cloning directly into the packages folder and i see the errors |
| 22:45:23 | onionhammer | hmm.. aaapackagedev no worky on ST3? |
| 22:46:06 | onionhammer | oh its just packagedev |
| 22:48:06 | onionhammer | Varriount: what if you install something that handles those languages? |
| 22:48:17 | onionhammer | no.. css should work |
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| 22:55:34 | ldlework | Is there a way to customize the CSS of the document generator? |
| 22:58:13 | ldlework | "The output for HTML and LaTeX comes from the config/nimdoc.cfg and config/nimdoc.tex.cfg configuration files. You can add and modify these files to your project to change the look of docgen output." |
| 22:58:31 | ldlework | how do I add these files to my project? |
| 22:58:38 | ldlework | just put them in a config folder? |
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| 23:18:40 | awsteele | has anyone implemented a kqueue backend for the asyncdispatch module on BSDs? if not, i'd like to try my hand at it |
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| 23:39:08 | def- | for the record: kqueue backend for asyncdispatch is missing, so I'd guess no one has made one |
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