<< 22-04-2025 >>
00:14:35FromDiscord<summarity> Hopefully simple template question: the first example (commented out) fails to compile. How can I escape(?) the parameter name? It needs to have the same name as the object field: https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=pYXpxFJw
00:16:43FromDiscord<Prestige> How do I set up a project locally to be used by other projects? I thought nimble develop used to do this
00:17:17FromDiscord<Prestige> I am updating the x11 library and want to test the changes with my window manager, but it's just using the official x11 package I have downloaded via nimble
00:21:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @summarity You cannot
00:22:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Templates replace all instances of their parameters
00:22:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Prestige With the state of modern nimble I just do `--path:/path/to/lib` myself
00:23:18FromDiscord<Prestige> it's also annoying because I can't jump to the correct x11 definitions
00:23:37FromDiscord<Prestige> I remember doing this in the past but I guess nimble broke/removed this feature
00:23:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They changed what `devel` did to reduce the issue of "Hey I tested this and it worked"
00:24:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can do `nimble develop -g` supposedly but I've never had it work
00:24:32FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah, that's creating a symlink in the wrong directory so my editor can't find it
00:25:02FromDiscord<Prestige> it also fails to build, lol idk what nimble develop -g is supposed to be doing
00:25:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It was supposed to replicate old develop but yea it's a big "well not"
00:25:38FromDiscord<Prestige> has nothing replaced nimble/
00:25:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nope
00:25:48FromDiscord<Prestige> it seems like things have gotten even worse over time
00:29:49FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=cohFjprc
00:29:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> heh the new solver really takes time to work so it does seem that way
00:30:28FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> as in, when developing a game? the editor?↵(@devlop_gaming)
00:31:38FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> I'd recommend giving Godot a look, it has relatively low requirements\: https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/about/system_requirements.html
00:31:45FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> In reply to @Robyn "as in, when developing": Yea the engine is so heavy it's hard to even perform simple tasks like importing images or even moving objects smoothly due to lag
00:32:08FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> there's also some Nim bindings to Godot's API too
00:32:30FromDiscord<theloserscandy> In reply to @nebulousiris "Have any of you": Did yo uever get this working on your end?
00:32:42FromDiscord<Prestige> @ElegantBeef I just manually created a symlink with a bogus name in `~/.nimble/pkgs2/` - plz tell me things aren't this broken
00:32:45FromDiscord<theloserscandy> (edit) "yo uever" => "you ever"
00:32:47FromDiscord<nebulousiris> In reply to @theloserscandy "Did you ever get": Yeah,
00:32:49FromDiscord<Prestige> at least it's compiling
00:33:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Prestige I haven't used `develop` since the changes to it
00:33:11FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> In reply to @Robyn "there's also some Nim": Godot is a little laggy andalso it doesn't fit my needs rn
00:33:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I just use path when needed
00:33:31FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Fair enough↵(@devlop_gaming)
00:33:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I don't get the proper way to do it, but perhaps it's localdeps or something
00:33:36FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> If i wanted to use godot i wouldn't bother with nim
00:33:36FromDiscord<Prestige> I couldn't get the path working
00:33:39FromDiscord<theloserscandy> In reply to @nebulousiris "Yeah,": I can't count the number of hours it took for me to get it working right
00:34:04FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Could directly use Raylib (or Naylib, the Nim bindings) if you're going for dev speed, too
00:34:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `nim c --path:/path/to/your/lib/src ...`
00:34:09FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> gotcha↵(@devlop_gaming)
00:34:52FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> In reply to @Robyn "Could directly use Raylib": I'm not going for speed and also raylib kinda strips away the learning process well for the stuff i wanna learn anyway
00:35:13FromDiscord<Prestige> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`nim c --path:/path/to/your/lib/src ...`": yeah, tried for the x11 library and it just said it couldn't find x11. But manually symlinking it in ~/.nimble/pkgs2 worked
00:36:00FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Fair o7↵(@devlop_gaming)
00:36:05FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=JBumJOIY
00:36:28FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> I did this in scratch and even in python twice and somehow forgot 🤦‍♂️
00:37:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It seems like you might be able to do `nimble develop $URL_TO_YOU_X11_REPO` and it'll clone it in a local folder, but it'd be nice for `-g` to work as it used to
00:38:44FromDiscord<theloserscandy> One issue that just popped up today is autoformatting. Maybe it's cause i'm using the Zed Nightly. Any other Zed users using nph pr nimsuggest having the same issue?
00:40:09FromDiscord<Prestige> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It seems like you": yeah, really want local development to have live changes
00:40:24FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> I can't figure this out
00:42:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Prestige Perhaps someone should make an issue requesting documenting how to replicate the old develop -g experience. Though I know status is like "That's bad mmk, too error prone"
00:44:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It really shouldn't be this much of a hassle to develop two disjointed packages
00:47:02FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah, seriously
00:48:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nudge nudge
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00:58:18FromDiscord<Prestige> I don't think I'll be the one to do it
00:58:47FromDiscord<Prestige> I've moved away from the language due to the poor developer experience
01:03:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You won't even make an issue to aid it in being slightly more richer
01:09:33FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> https://tenor.com/view/dancing-duck-dance-duck-duck-ooontz-dance-gif-10943740227711557279
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01:35:15FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> My old story engine helped me out😮
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03:29:35FromDiscord<Laylie> I've managed to get `nimble develop -a:path/to/thing` (or something) working in a localdeps project, but it seems to have a strange dependency on / interaction with lock files
03:29:46FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @avahe "I've moved away from": anything specific you can point to? curious and yeah Nim can be a real turn off at times
03:30:29FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> i just need to make my own TOML parser and then I can replace Nimble with something superior 😔
03:30:37FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> mostly jk
03:31:15FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> futhark is so awesome
03:32:28FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> i remember in my baby nim days looking at <https://github.com/nim-lang/lua> and thinking "wtf am i looking at"
03:53:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Now you do the same thing?
03:56:55FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> In reply to @determiedmech1 "futhark is so awesome": Why use that when you can enjoy the experience of writing wrappers by hand😊
03:58:41FromDiscord<Laylie> designing an idiomatic api on top of the raw bindings is much more interesting
04:00:20FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> Tho I wouldn't write a huge library by hand. I don't need my hands crampin😅
04:00:45FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @devlop_gaming "Why use that when": 😂😂😂😂😐
04:00:56FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Now you do the": yeah
04:01:13FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> then I was like "lemme try doing this by hand"
04:01:21FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> and that was kinda tedious
04:01:33FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> then I thought "oh wait what about futhark"
04:01:42FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> and I got it working in like 5 seconds
04:02:02FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> `#define` stuff doesn't seem to work
04:02:06FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> like pcall
04:02:12FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> (edit) "`#define` stuff doesn't seem to work ... " added "tho"
04:02:18FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> and loadstring
04:02:34FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> so I had to use pcallk and loadlstring
04:02:40FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> womp womp
04:03:37FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> In reply to @determiedmech1 "😂😂😂😂😐": 👀
04:04:12FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> I'll make my own module thing for it at some point
04:04:16FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> this is just easier
05:24:12FromDiscord<eebahn> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "i just need to": I'd help you with that 100%, but you don't seem committed to the task. So I never offered it before 🙈
05:25:43FromDiscord<eebahn> The part that worries me personally is dependency solving. There is already a sat solver somewhere for nim, but its code style breaks my brain a ton, so it scared me away
05:27:49FromDiscord<sOkam (alt)> I really like the design of cargo too. Its brilliant
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05:38:12FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> My ram is cooked🫠
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08:51:44FromDiscord<litlighilit> Hey why https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/issues/126 haven't fixed yet😅.↵I just changed my email and be thrown as "moderated" again...
08:51:49FromDiscord<litlighilit> Hey why https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/issues/126 haven't been fixed yet😅.↵I just changed my email and was thrown as "moderated" again...
08:55:17FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @litlighilit "Hey why https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/issues": because nobody's gotten around to it :p
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09:16:02FromDiscord<tauruuuuuus> In reply to @avahe "How do I set": I think atlas with `atlas link` solves this
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12:02:37FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @eebahn "I'd help you with": yeah it's something i struggle with, staying focused i mean :p
12:02:51FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> i am taking inspiration from Cargo tho
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12:30:40FromDiscord<lainlaylie> 🧐 link to 2.2.4 announcement where
12:32:23FromDiscord<nnsee> wasn't it there just a second ago?
12:40:14FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> Is there an application I can use to detect memory issues?
12:40:25FromDiscord<odexine> valgrind
12:43:17FromDiscord<narimiran> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/FvqNOeud
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13:12:17FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> In reply to @litlighilit "Hey why https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/issues": Why does an email change triggers a rank change in the first place..
13:15:35FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @enthus1ast. "Why does an email": because business-logic wise, they need to verify their e-mail again
13:16:17FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> So an moderator or administrator suddenly become moderated role?
13:16:25FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> Makes no sense
13:17:33FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @enthus1ast. "So an moderator or": why would that happen? admins should be able to change emails to anything without having to verify
13:17:45FromDiscord<nnsee> but yes - the role should be separate from the email verification status
13:17:54FromDiscord<nnsee> that's why this bug exists :)
13:18:01FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> Yes
13:20:10FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> The thing is, it was unclear to me if the forum is basically on dev pause, since PR got not merged and no new version was rolled out, so I stopped working at the forum 🙂
13:20:31FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> (edit) "at" => "on"
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14:05:02FromDiscord<tauruuuuuus> In reply to @narimiran "**Nim 2.2.4 is out!!**": my AVR stuff seems not to be broken from this release, as always, yay 🥳 thanks for the hard work
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15:50:00FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @devlop_gaming "Why use that when": I actually like doing handwritten wrappers for some reason. I'm just insane, I guess. Futhark has always been a hit-or-miss for me.
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16:11:07FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @enthus1ast. "The thing is, it": maybe it's time for a new forum atp
16:11:51FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> You mean to replace the current one or in addition?
16:11:54FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> https://freeflarum.com/ Flarum is pretty nice
16:12:06FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @enthus1ast. "You mean to replace": To replace the current one, after a migration
16:12:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> But dogfooding...
16:12:38FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Maybe a period where both run at the same time for a bit, just to encourage migration to the new forum
16:13:02FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @enthus1ast. "But dogfooding...": what does that mean?
16:13:05FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> I think it's cool that the forum is written in nim as well
16:13:52FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> Eat your own dogfood I meant (if that's the saying)
16:14:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> And it's also not too bad
16:15:07FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @enthus1ast. "I think it's cool": it's cool but many small issues and bugs are piling up and no-one is really working on it
16:15:54FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @enthus1ast. "Eat your own dogfood": I don't really get the meaning, even after searching it up, are you saying that about Flarum or Nim Forum?
16:18:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
16:18:42FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> I meant, we as a community build stuff that we actually use in production
16:19:18FromDiscord<enthus1ast.> Imagine a JS Community would use a PHP forum
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16:23:00FromDiscord<Laylie> i like the idea of our forum being written in nim but it seems like we lack the resources to maintain it effectively, both in terms of the software and the administration
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19:04:28FromDiscord<penguinite> I do wonder if it'd be worth it to re-write nimforum but I know that requires far more time and energy than just fixing nimforum's bugs as they show up
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20:44:46FromDiscord<treeform> What changes did you make?
20:45:12FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @enthus1ast. "well, i work on": What changes did you make?
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22:11:10FromDiscord<spotlightkid> This.
22:12:24FromDiscord<spotlightkid> atm, the forum is pretty crappy, if you ask me, and not a good figurehead for Nim's web dev capabilities.
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22:58:15FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> If `1979-05-27T00:32:00.999999-07:00` is relative to UTC time and `1979-05-27T00:32:00.999999+07:00` is relative to local time
22:58:53FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> How would I set the time for UTC+1 and UTC-1?
23:00:00FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3339#section-4.3
23:10:02FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Nvm I misunderstood it: pk!e > If the time in UTC is known, but the offset to local time is unknown, this can be represented with an offset of "-00:00". This differs semantically from an offset of "Z" or "+00:00", which imply that UTC is the preferred reference point for the specified time. RFC2822 [IMAIL-UPDATE] describes a similar convention for email.
23:10:08FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> (edit) "it: pk!e >" => "it:>"
23:10:14FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> (edit) "it:>" => "it:↵>"
23:28:15FromDiscord<devlop_gaming> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=GTnkZcvN
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