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| 00:29:47 | fvs | hi, howto write object to file: this fails to give correct structure: http://pastebin.com/AzEp7zcE |
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| 00:45:29 | Araq | fvs: use the marshal module |
| 01:00:48 | Araq | deterministic C code generation has arrived :-) |
| 01:01:16 | Araq | now minor changes to a module shouldn't trigger a whole lot of C code recompilations anymore |
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| 01:33:05 | freezerburnV | girvo: Evening/morning! |
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| 01:57:29 | fvs | is it possible to get the length of a tuple? |
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| 02:00:21 | Araq | fvs: via macros.getType |
| 02:01:25 | fvs | how about iterating thru a tuple? |
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| 02:04:53 | Araq | system.fieldPairs |
| 02:04:59 | Araq | system.fields |
| 02:05:02 | Araq | etc |
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| 02:06:59 | fvs | thx Araq |
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| 02:18:29 | girvo | Araq: Would the marshal module work for writing out TAR headers then? They're a 512 byte struct in C, and I've got an object representation of it, but I was using writeBytes on the array[len, char] values by hand lol |
| 02:21:22 | FreezerburnV_ | Hey girvo! |
| 02:24:27 | girvo | hey FreezerburnV_ :) |
| 02:24:54 | FreezerburnV_ | How's it going? |
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| 02:29:06 | girvo | exhausted, huge week at work, but good because my Docker deployment daemon is coming along beautifully |
| 02:29:31 | FreezerburnV_ | Oooh, good to hear! Sorry work was so difficult though |
| 02:32:21 | FreezerburnV_ | I'm guessing because things were so intense you haven't had a chance to take a look at my email yet? |
| 02:37:20 | girvo | I had a very quick look and let my boss know, but until later this week everything is a bit crazy right now! :) |
| 02:37:29 | girvo | Thanks so much for sending it over! |
| 02:38:06 | girvo | Question: is there any other examples of the "pegs" module usage aside from the documentation itself? |
| 02:38:47 | FreezerburnV_ | girvo: no problem! Looking forward to hearing back when things are less crazy :D |
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| 02:44:11 | girvo | Also, what language are people finding the easier to port from to nim? |
| 02:45:29 | FreezerburnV_ | I would think Python personally, due to the similarity |
| 02:45:34 | girvo | And lastly, I update the Rosetta Code entry, First-class functions, for Nim -- I ported the ES6 version basically, but I wonder if there's not a cleaner way of doing this: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/First-class_functions#Nim |
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| 02:54:37 | FreezerburnV_ | girvo: You can get better function definitions via "import future". You can do "(X: int) -> int" instead |
| 02:54:58 | girvo | Yeah I left that out because I didn't want to rely on it for the example, hehe :) |
| 02:55:10 | girvo | And it wasn't _that_ much cleaner (though, a little bit) |
| 02:55:22 | FreezerburnV_ | It's part of the standard library so I don't see why not to use it |
| 02:55:31 | girvo | The main annoying bit is having to wrap the math functions to use them as {.procvar.} |
| 02:55:45 | girvo | Well, "annoying". It's not really that big a deal lol |
| 02:56:54 | FreezerburnV_ | I'm not familiar with procvar yet, what's the necessity of it? |
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| 02:57:55 | FreezerburnV_ | Can't you just pass a proc to something and it would work? I think I've done that? |
| 02:58:31 | FreezerburnV_ | Or at least assigned a defined proc to a callback property and it compiled and ran fine |
| 03:01:18 | FreezerburnV_ | But for now I need to get to sleep. Night! |
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| 03:02:24 | girvo | Night :) |
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| 03:44:57 | zds | Is nim pretty a thing? |
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| 06:36:06 | cheatfate | girvo, and why you are using array[char] for TAR? |
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| 07:09:27 | akamaus | hi all. Is the following code supposed to typecheck? http://pastebin.com/EbKnqJqc |
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| 07:12:01 | akamaus | it's listed as a negative example in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/4084 which is marked fixed. |
| 07:12:35 | akamaus | but it is happily accepted by nim-0.14.2 |
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| 07:37:32 | mjanssen | akamaus: also accpeted by nim master |
| 07:38:16 | akamaus | mjanssen, is it a regression or what? |
| 07:38:30 | mjanssen | let me check on the devel branch |
| 07:38:49 | akamaus | i've already tried, the same behavior |
| 07:39:59 | mjanssen | yeah, devel is master |
| 07:40:19 | mjanssen | I would say re-open the issue |
| 07:42:10 | akamaus | mjanssen, can you do it? |
| 07:45:47 | mjanssen | akamaus: no I cant, apparently you can only do this if you are a contributor |
| 07:47:08 | akamaus | mjanssen, well, hope someone with sufficient privileges notice our talk then :) |
| 07:49:10 | akamaus | patch which closed this issue apparently broke other things, astar package for example. |
| 07:50:34 | mjanssen | you could @mention the dev who fixed it on github (Araq) |
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| 07:58:28 | mjanssen | I do know Araq is a regular here so patience should go a long way |
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| 08:47:11 | Araq | akamaus: meh, this looks so hard to fix -.- |
| 08:59:10 | cheatfate | Araq, is it possible to search in macro for function with particular arguments and result? |
| 08:59:30 | cheatfate | or maybe just by name, so i can check arguments by myself |
| 09:00:43 | Araq | sure, pass a 'typed' thing to the macro and then the macro can inspect the symbols (rather than the identifiers) |
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| 09:02:16 | PMunch | Is the guy who created this: github.com/zah/nim.vim around? |
| 09:09:27 | PMunch | Hmm, when Nimble doesn't find a package in the local package.json it asks if you want to check online. If you don't you get an unhandled exception "Package not found. [NimbleError]" |
| 09:09:45 | cheatfate | Araq, but i'm already in macro... i need to call another macro? |
| 09:09:49 | PMunch | It looks a bit ugly and IMO should be handled as a print and quit |
| 09:12:39 | cheatfate | I just want to check if object passed to my macro has appropriate method len() |
| 09:13:25 | cheatfate | and if not show error() |
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| 09:16:53 | Araq | cheatfate: use a concept instead |
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| 09:24:35 | vegansk | Araq, hi. Is it a bug or feature? I can't call generic proc for inherited object: https://gist.github.com/vegansk/f0f44132426b0de4106e19e1d3aed6d8 |
| 09:26:12 | Araq | oldest open bug iirc |
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| 09:28:08 | vegansk | #88 :-( |
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| 09:32:12 | Araq | seems to be hard to fix, people tried and failed. |
| 09:33:20 | vegansk | sadly :-( |
| 09:34:33 | Araq | what's up with the typedesc issue? |
| 09:35:53 | vegansk | Can't beat it :-( |
| 09:36:24 | Araq | what's the problem? |
| 09:37:34 | vegansk | After creation of tyCompositeTypeclass I changed typeRel so it can compare typeclasses: https://gist.github.com/vegansk/56ea52960d3586bc0c5b65244bb06852#file-test-nim-L12-L13 |
| 09:38:20 | vegansk | But after that I get an error "generics.nim(5, 16) Error: cannot instantiate: 'Data'" |
| 09:38:29 | Araq | I don't think you can return isEqual here |
| 09:38:46 | Araq | tried isGeneric? |
| 09:39:15 | vegansk | Yes. Same error |
| 09:39:46 | Araq | ok, well you don't bind anything |
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| 09:40:04 | Araq | result = isGeneric |
| 09:40:09 | Araq | if result != isNone: |
| 09:40:09 | Araq | put(c.bindings, f, a) |
| 09:40:16 | Araq | ^ is then used |
| 09:40:27 | Araq | binding 'Data', hopefully |
| 09:40:36 | Araq | and then it can be instantiated |
| 09:41:09 | vegansk | Wow!!! That's it!!! Thanks! |
| 09:41:17 | Araq | it's like saying that the T in proc foo[T](a: T; b: array[T]) matches |
| 09:41:46 | Araq | but that's not enough. you need to bind it so the compiler can build the array[T] part |
| 09:42:38 | Araq | check if it needs to be isGeneric or isEqual please, I'm not sure |
| 09:43:13 | Araq | bindings are isGeneric, a binding match is isEqual iirc |
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| 09:46:08 | vegansk | I restored isEqual and commented this line: https://gist.github.com/vegansk/56ea52960d3586bc0c5b65244bb06852#file-test-nim-L18. Works in both cases |
| 09:48:53 | Araq | no, that's wrong |
| 09:49:07 | Araq | don't comment out this line, it's important |
| 09:49:36 | Araq | use 'result = isGeneric' instead |
| 09:50:14 | vegansk | So, there is no difference :-) Because of ``if result != isNone: result = isGeneric |
| 09:52:27 | Araq | yes |
| 09:53:27 | vegansk | I can create new PR or I can force the update of the old PR's branch. how is better? |
| 09:55:37 | Araq | old PR |
| 09:55:43 | vegansk | Ok! |
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| 10:11:48 | vegansk | Araq, one more thing, this variant is not working with implicit system.new invoke. Please look: https://gist.github.com/vegansk/56ea52960d3586bc0c5b65244bb06852#file-test-nim-L7-L14 |
| 10:13:10 | Araq | did that work with your original patch? |
| 10:13:46 | vegansk | Yes |
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| 10:24:03 | Araq | bummer -.- |
| 10:35:10 | vegansk | Araq, moreover, new variant broke one of my libraries that heavily uses generics ;-( |
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| 13:48:48 | dom96 | yglukhov: cheatfate: http://www.nerds2nerds.com/?p=519, I'm curious, what is this about? :) |
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| 14:05:47 | edub4rt | zielmicha: is reactor kinda of "finished" or is inactive? I am considering using it, as async core API is not satisfying all my needs |
| 14:07:41 | cheatfate | dom96, hi :) this is Bulgarian, not russian or ukrainian, but i can transfer you first sentence :) |
| 14:08:36 | dom96 | edub4rt: What needs is the async core API not satisfying? |
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| 14:10:59 | cheatfate | dom96, Discussion with Zahary Karadjov - one of the main maintainers of Nim language |
| 14:12:20 | dom96 | huh, how old is it? |
| 14:12:29 | dom96 | I haven't seen zahary in here in a very long time |
| 14:12:50 | cheatfate | dom96, looks like April 2015 |
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| 14:14:34 | Araq | I pinged him, not sure if he will join us here |
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| 14:17:30 | edub4rt | dom96: issues with await which I've created bugs, some API does not feel good for my taste, like all sendTo/connect in net.nim only take an address as a string meaning it will parse the string every connection made/packet sent, the lack better UDP support I'm having to work with SockAddr and ifdefs about platform which is too low level |
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| 14:18:57 | edub4rt | dom96: I saw that the common practice in net/async core is to use address as string everywhere, which just feels wrong for me, it should have been an IpAddress struct |
| 14:19:50 | dom96 | edub4rt: Fair enough. We can add an overload so that passing IpAddress works. |
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| 14:21:26 | Araq | zahary says |
| 14:21:48 | Araq | „it's a small local podcast, I actually got more exposure when I did a talk a local conference |
| 14:21:48 | Araq | it's online, but also in Bulgarian“ |
| 14:22:46 | Araq | and he is too busy to join us. |
| 14:25:20 | endragor | dom96: would be nice if asyncnet operations supported timeouts |
| 14:27:37 | edub4rt | endragor, I'll also need this too, but I think I can achieve that using sleepAsync, but I feel skeptic because there are rumors that sleepAsync downgrades performance |
| 14:29:10 | dom96 | We need a way to cancel futures too for proper timeouts |
| 14:31:37 | cheatfate | edub4rt, this is not rumors, its a fact! |
| 14:32:06 | cheatfate | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3909 |
| 14:32:19 | edub4rt | dom96: net/async also needs another struct or easier wait to deal with UDP sockets, this is how I currently send udps https://gist.github.com/edubart/5c85087b2a948c1baf3b6fd37575281a |
| 14:33:22 | edub4rt | with is just now right, I've to use platform's whens |
| 14:34:13 | dom96 | I know. |
| 14:34:18 | edub4rt | recvFrom is not easier either |
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| 14:40:06 | edub4rt | so I was thinking into using some libuv wrapper until this issues are resolved, while I can contribute with some small patchs or create workaround's in my codes, I cannot rework internals, as it would takes down my productivity, even if I did dom96 and core members would be skeptic about accepting it, like cheatfate's async rework |
| 14:40:40 | edub4rt | but currently I do not know if there is a libuv's wrapper is in better shape, it could be worse |
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| 15:03:49 | edub4rt | dom96: just hit another barrier with await "'yield' cannot be used within 'try' in a non-inlined iterator" seems like issue #2528 |
| 15:03:50 | edub4rt | try and await combination is sure with lot of issues |
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| 15:12:49 | edub4rt | I think #2528 should be market as showstopper, it's for who works with combinations of exceptions and async |
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| 16:21:04 | dom96 | edub4rt: you don't need ``try`` to handle exceptions with async |
| 16:21:21 | dom96 | The reason `try` is so unstable is because it's a hack to work around a limitation in the compiler. |
| 16:21:36 | dom96 | My plan is to limit it and offer the alternative |
| 16:21:38 | dom96 | which boils down to: |
| 16:21:44 | dom96 | var fut = asyncCall() |
| 16:21:49 | dom96 | yield fut |
| 16:21:56 | dom96 | if fut.failed: handleError(fut.error) |
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| 16:23:35 | cheatfate | dom96, but we already has this technique? people just like exceptions :( |
| 16:24:23 | cheatfate | and for some reason we rereverting this semantics... |
| 16:25:23 | dom96 | cheatfate: huh? |
| 16:25:32 | dom96 | I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 16:25:53 | dom96 | The revert will mean that you cannot use 'await' instead of 'yield' in my above example |
| 16:25:58 | dom96 | *re-revert |
| 16:34:07 | cheatfate | await is mostly equal to yield |
| 16:36:05 | cheatfate | and why `try` `except` is a hack? |
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| 16:53:16 | dom96 | cheatfate: the transformation that the 'async' macro does in order to support is hacky |
| 16:53:20 | dom96 | *support it |
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| 17:53:26 | yglukhov | Araq: what do you think of https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/4385 ? Is it needed? |
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| 19:17:50 | cheatfate | i want to talk about warnings in --verbosity:2 |
| 19:18:05 | cheatfate | there some [Uninit] warnings generated for array declarations |
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| 19:18:20 | cheatfate | so just want to ask is there proper way to initialize this arrays? |
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| 19:28:23 | Araq | cheatfate: var foo = [0, 1, 2, 3, 4] |
| 19:28:35 | Araq | for long arrays it's wise to do that with a macro |
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| 19:29:21 | cheatfate | but what i can do if i declare array like `var a: array[100, string]` |
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| 19:37:06 | Araq | cheatfate: what about it? in the future this needs to be var a: array[100, nil string] |
| 19:37:20 | cheatfate | aah ok, thank you |
| 19:41:48 | Araq | dom96: sooo ... given that you'll never be able to review cheatfate's PR :P |
| 19:41:52 | Araq | can we merge it? |
| 19:43:59 | cheatfate | Araq, but pr can't be merged automatically it needs to be updated again... |
| 19:44:39 | Araq | I'm usually smart enough to do the merge. Or you update it. |
| 19:45:02 | cheatfate | and i think i will remove `bad named` procs from my variant of asyncdispatch and there will be only `addXXXXX` functions |
| 19:45:51 | cheatfate | but i'm still vote for `upcoming` folder :) |
| 19:46:46 | cheatfate | I think its better to review only ioselectors.nim |
| 19:48:47 | Araq | yes, upcoming folder is good. |
| 19:50:32 | cheatfate | Araq, but i remember you wants to review it too :) |
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| 19:53:09 | Araq | I will, but I'd rather give you write access ;-) |
| 19:54:08 | cheatfate | But i really want your review |
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| 21:30:32 | gokr | fowl: Hey, you are on HN :) |
| 21:31:10 | gokr | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11956231 |
| 21:31:21 | gokr | (wasn't me) |
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| 21:42:39 | PMunch | Hmm, who of you was it that mentioned L.B. Stanza the other day? |
| 21:44:30 | def- | PMunch: gokr |
| 21:44:43 | gokr | Yeah |
| 21:44:48 | PMunch | wuehlmaus, and me are trying it out |
| 21:45:00 | gokr | Cool, let us know what you find |
| 21:45:10 | PMunch | Something strange going on with binary sizes |
| 21:45:17 | gokr | I noticed it mentioned deep in some thread about "interesting languages" |
| 21:45:33 | PMunch | The 22 byte hello world program compiles "down" to 3.7mb |
| 21:45:40 | gokr | Ouch. |
| 21:45:41 | PMunch | And it takes surprisingly long |
| 21:46:42 | fredrik92 | just A little bit overkill |
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| 21:50:52 | cheatfate | PMunch, looks like statically linked |
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| 21:52:59 | PMunch | Yeah, I'd wager that it has some kind of runtime/library |
| 21:53:24 | PMunch | And that it either just bundles the runtime with every program or does not eliminate dead code when including the library |
| 21:54:44 | PMunch | And a solid four seconds as measured by time to compile |
| 21:57:48 | PMunch | Hmm, seems to take about 4 seconds regardless |
| 21:58:56 | PMunch | And all programs seem to take about 3.7mb as well |
| 21:59:28 | PMunch | I'm guessing that it might be quite easy for him to improve both aspects, and then it would be a very interesting language :) |
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| 23:13:16 | sp33der89 | So I send a private message to one of the mods of the subreddit too but just in case this is quicker; The 3 documentation links are broken in the subredditbar |
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| 23:24:51 | dom96 | sp33der89: thanks, will fix |
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| 23:25:46 | cheatfate | dom96, it looks like asyncdispatch eating stack space very fast |
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| 23:27:28 | cheatfate | dom96, my code inside {.async.} failed due to stack smash if i make more then 3 iterations |
| 23:27:53 | cheatfate | under windows |
| 23:29:39 | ephja | nom |
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| 23:53:25 | sp33der89 | np just glad I could help hehe |
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