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10:23:46Varriount|MobileAraq: I hear there's a shared memory GC in the works
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10:32:18cheatfateVarriount, welcome back :)
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10:34:24Varriount|Phonecheatfate: I've always been hanging around. I just don't have much time to actively participate
10:35:24Varriount|PhoneNot only am I a full-time college student, I'm also a full-time employee
10:36:14cheatfateVarriount|Phone, yeah but it happens you are always absent when i want to ask you about something :)
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10:59:57AraqVarriount|Phone: yup
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11:00:11Araqit's in its early stages, but toy programs work with it
11:00:18Araqand the design should be sound
11:00:40Varriount|PhoneSounds exciting
11:01:19Araqinterestingly what's blocking it currently is Nim's "void" inference
11:01:26Araqwhich I plan to deprecated -.-
11:01:34Araq*deprecate
11:02:05Araqit means the createThread API need to be duplicated
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11:28:19FromGitter<endragor> @cheatfate when you have a moment, please take a look at https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/4928
11:29:35cheatfateendragor: ok
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12:11:27Araqlol why is Nimble.exe 2 times bigger than the compiler itself?
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12:17:48cheatfateAraq, maybe because we need compiler in dll? :)
12:18:50AraqNimble uses the compiler, but not all parts of it. I suspect a missing -d:release
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12:28:04cheatfatebut compiler in dll would be interesting :)
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15:28:29libmanSomething new on ye olde Benchmarks Game site - http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/for-programming-language-researchers.html
15:29:12libmanUnfortunately it's not Nim... :/
15:29:45libmanDid anyone ever start making Nim implementations of those tests? Did they publish comparative results?
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15:30:23Araqdid you?
15:30:28Araqsee the problem?
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15:35:12libmanThat goes without saying. Let's assume I already self-flagellate about not doing any programming on a regular basis. (Maybe I should make a video?)
15:43:49Varriount|PhoneAraq: So any documents on how this new GC will work?
15:44:59AraqVarriount|Phone: I'm preparing a blog post. But the idea is quite simple:
15:45:21Araqat thread creation you decide whether the thread should inherit the heap from the parent thread
15:45:29Araqor whether it should get its own heap
15:45:49Araqheaps have a flag of whether they are in multi threaded mode
15:45:52Araqor not.
15:46:09Araqif multi threaded, the write barrier uses atomic instructions
15:46:17Araqand locking is used for allocations
15:46:52Araqwhen a thread decides a GC run needs to be triggered every thread belonging to thread is asked to enumerate its stack roots
15:47:04Araq*every thread belonging to the heap
15:48:30Araqfor fork&join parallelism you can delay GC runs until the join is done to regain realtime behaviours
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15:49:46Varriount|PhoneSo for threads with shared heaps, the GC "stops the world"?
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15:54:41Araqfor stack enumerations, yes
15:56:40Araqevery hardware thread has its own set of registers so it's not clear you can actually do better than that
15:57:19Araqwithout stack maps or a write barrier for stack refs.
16:00:23cheatfateAraq, so it stops all threads to make GC run, or thread by thread?
16:06:08Araqit's hard to answer this question since it doesn't really "stop" a thread
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16:08:38def-libman: a few are here https://github.com/def-/nim-benchmarksgame
16:09:59libmanGood start. :)
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16:12:56def-but raw benchmark numbers don't say that much
16:13:19cheatfateAraq, but i think it stops threads via locks because it must lock allocation procedures
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18:49:03GaveUpis the use of nimeval documented anywhere?
18:51:12Araqwaht is inmeval?
18:51:46dom96https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/compiler/nimeval.nim
18:51:55dom96I was wondering myself
18:51:59dom96There is no docs AFAIK
18:52:03dom96but there are some examples
18:53:49dom96https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/blob/master/src/nimblepkg/nimscriptsupport.nim#L194
18:55:38Araqthe compiler source doesn't need any docs. it's immediately obvious.
18:57:47dom96Sorry, but no.
18:57:59dom96Look at the amount of code that nimscriptsupport contains for proof
18:58:08elrooddoes the wiki have a quotation section yet? ;)
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19:06:08Araqelrood: I dunno.
19:08:51dom96NimBot should have a quote db
19:09:16dom96but nobody wants to improve NimBot :\
19:11:47AraqNimBot cannot even post github stuff here
19:11:53Araqanymore.
19:12:04AraqI guess it's because the hub is down?
19:12:21dom96yes
19:12:54Araqcan we please run the hub just for this feature? :-)
19:13:46dom96we can, the problem is that the hub isn't stable so dies often and I don't have the willingness to keep restarting it
19:13:59dom96(nor do I want to set it up so that it restarts automatically)
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22:33:41cheatfateAraq, is it safe to extend string with `setLen()`?
22:33:59AraqI guess
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