| 00:38:40 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> FYI he did the same thing in the Dlang server. |
| 00:39:32 | FromDiscord | <kapendev> Got a warning in the V server too. |
| 00:40:28 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> no offense since I know this is a Discord server that just happens to have IRC and Matrix bridges, but do Discord people really have this much free time to do this kind of thing??? |
| 00:53:00 | FromDiscord | <leorize> nope, discord just has a lot more users |
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| 03:10:27 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfMslCLDzJM |
| 03:13:10 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> @xtrayambak ^ |
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| 05:24:58 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> In reply to @mjsdev "<@498088092406644736> ^": that's neat. I'm currently working on a new project (a Wayland-first terminal emulator in Nim) and neo seems to mostly be holding up, and I'm fairly surprised at that. |
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| 05:29:40 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Nice, got a repo anywhere? |
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| 08:29:44 | FromDiscord | <TӨMΛ ☠> A silly question maybe, but. If you have condition that checks multiple things through `and` (e.g. `if A and B and C and D`), is not meeting `A` returning whole condition immediately, or does it work through next parts of the condition anyway?↵(as in, does it optimise or does it not?) |
| 08:30:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Short circuiting happens yes |
| 08:45:35 | FromDiscord | <wakanakisarazu> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/kPhtagzG |
| 09:30:01 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> Hey, I think the main one is parallelism of processes and please please use something more sane that systemd's syntax for services↵(@wakanakisarazu) |
| 09:32:18 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> what's wrong with systemd's syntax? |
| 09:37:40 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> It's too much and I must constantly reference the source of truth (LLMs) |
| 09:37:52 | FromDiscord | <finnt730> In reply to @kapendev "FYI he did the": they did it in the Minecraft Forge (the modloader) server as well↵gave them a hard kick↵likely a account turned into a bot account |
| 09:37:52 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> Skill issue I know but it's a gripe I have |
| 09:46:36 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> @nnsee for reference, `dinit` has a much more sane syntax |
| 09:46:46 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/Dinit |
| 09:53:23 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @aethrvmn "It's too much and": ... why not just `man`? |
| 09:53:33 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> i've found the systemd man pages to be, on average, very good |
| 09:55:49 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=LEVLifmp |
| 10:00:28 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> I am lazy, so I get an LLM to write the service↵(@nnsee) |
| 10:02:41 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> i mean i feel like systemd makes writing a basic service really easy so i've never found myself reaching for LLMs - however i do admit i've used LLMs to suggest hardening options etc. i like my services to have a happy face in `systemd-analyze security` |
| 10:14:35 | FromDiscord | <wakanakisarazu> In reply to @aethrvmn "Hey, I think the": Sure |
| 11:04:52 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> I have two happy faces running this (I didnt know this existed)↵(@nnsee) |
| 11:05:15 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> Too bad I can't do much because Nix handles the services automagically |
| 11:07:15 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> At least this is the work laptop so it's not very important for me (I am a mercenary) |
| 12:14:30 | FromDiscord | <saint._._.> In reply to @aethrvmn "I have two happy": What are happy faces? |
| 15:22:07 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=wApkdVwa |
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| 16:40:51 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> nope, imo.The only thing I'd do is to do some improvement to your original implementation↵(@mjsdev) |
| 16:41:29 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=MPvEVwyd |
| 16:41:43 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=KIxcnmRH |
| 16:41:57 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Because I want common logic for all exceptions, then specific logic for specific types |
| 16:42:59 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> @wakanakisarazu) |
| 16:43:12 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> I want you to do more with less, because less is more, and the genius appreciates simplicity |
| 16:45:05 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=AqOSzhVY |
| 16:46:07 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Then I need to write a template every time the common logic changes |
| 16:46:15 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> I often use things like this (using template) for Nim's `case` stmt↵(as it lacks `fallthrough`) |
| 16:46:42 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> like, in this case I'm printing failure, in other cases I may need to do something else. |
| 16:47:20 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> IMO better than using `if` after `except`↵(@mjsdev) |
| 16:47:41 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> as it remains me of another lang |
| 16:48:15 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> What's the issue with if after an except? |
| 16:49:24 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> emm, just things about code style (and IMO a little about performace) |
| 16:49:41 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> do as u like |
| 16:51:32 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> btw, if for every exception there're globalRaiseHook and localRaiseHook↵(@mjsdev) |
| 16:52:49 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> ref https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#globalRaiseHook↵----------↵So maybe the answer shall be yes (I used to take your requirement condition too serious) |
| 16:52:54 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> I'm less concerned with performance than with more rapid development. I can always optimize later if that shows to be a bottle neck. |
| 16:53:49 | FromDiscord | <mjsdev> Yeah, that one is probably a bit much given it's global. |
| 16:55:23 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> yes, and the `localRaiseHook` is also global, whose `local` just means thread-local |
| 17:44:57 | FromDiscord | <__nycto__> Looks like https://nimble.directory might be down -- does anyone know where to report a bug report for that? |
| 18:20:47 | FromDiscord | <wakanakisarazu> In reply to @Buckwheat "> "\>what would y'all": I got my prototype down to 18kb once, so I will try make a `-d:embedded` option which cuts out everything but basics |
| 18:26:05 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> it's not just about the file size, it's also about the internals that matters to me↵(@wakanakisarazu) |
| 18:26:34 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> I'd love to see more init systems for Linux systems that are far more strict towards their POSIX compliancy |
| 18:27:21 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> I really like the UNIX mentality of doing one thing and doing said one thing very well |
| 18:35:29 | Amun-Ra | cough systemd cough ;) |
| 18:35:50 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> bleh |
| 18:37:42 | Amun-Ra | bleh² |
| 18:39:25 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> if waka can actually make an init system that can rival something like sinit or runit, I might become insane enough to once more try building Gentoo with Plan 9 utils, clang, musl, and said init system |
| 19:10:28 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> I used sysvinit when I ran LFS and that was good also although I went pretty bare bone |
| 19:10:29 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> dinit is ok, even if cpp |
| 19:10:30 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> well, you know me better than like 99.99% of people in here so... you know what I want out of an init system let alone my whole OS hehe |
| 19:13:00 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> Yes but then you should write your own and it's just a .ini parser that calls stuff using sh like Ken intended |
| 19:13:49 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> don't tempt me... |
| 20:27:44 | FromDiscord | <wakanakisarazu> In reply to @Buckwheat "if waka can actually": Sure, I can do this |
| 20:27:55 | FromDiscord | <wakanakisarazu> Parsecfg will really come in clutch here |
| 21:49:45 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> https://hst.sh/lowevifida.properties LLMs to generate a parser combinator is very fun |
| 21:50:05 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Was generated by Gemini 3's 'Thinking' mode, with minor tweaks by me |
| 21:50:26 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> (`experimental/results` is a Nimskull but just ignore that, shhhh) |
| 22:45:16 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> again, as long as it's simple and does even less while still providing a clean init interface, you win↵(@wakanakisarazu) |
| 22:46:50 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> you won't win me with "look, it can do this, this, that, and even make your toast!", you'll win me with "it's the fewest lines of code to simply run some things at startup with the most basic system for adding a new service faster than you can say 'Hot Pockets'." |
| 22:47:19 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> honestly I'm rooting for you |
| 22:58:36 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=fQiXZrUX |
| 22:59:01 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> Labwc has this structure for it's own autostart |
| 23:02:19 | FromDiscord | <aethrvmn> it's all ogre |
| 23:02:19 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> it's stuck in labwc |
| 23:02:20 | FromDiscord | <Buckwheat> smuggy.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1452798441897070684/smuggy.png?ex=694b1f7c&is=6949cdfc&hm=9e99057265a6152b1ddd6cbe62c174ebe3ee7870afda21177dd3cb2c05f22b5f& |
| 23:59:36 | FromDiscord | <litlighilit> which has to be placed under `~/.config/labwc/autostart` |
