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00:05:55flaviu1Demos_: Yes
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00:13:41flaviu1Demos_: Did I break things?
00:14:10Demos_Looking at the changes I see that you .toLower the first character, if I change this to toUpper I get all kinds of errors related to c identifiers not being around
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00:14:16Demos_and yeah a little bit
00:14:33Demos_you can now generate c keywords as ident names
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00:22:37Demos_interestingly the idents I get errors about have lowercase letters as their first char
00:24:35flaviu1Demos_: I think I kept everything the same, toLower was always there, it was just disguised as `chr(ord(name[i]) - ord('A') + ord('a'))`
00:26:14EXetoCpretty
00:27:23Demos_it was add(result, chr(ord(name[0]) - ord('a') + ord('A'))) before I think
00:29:04Demos_well that is only active if the char was lowercase beforehand
00:29:22flaviu1That was behind a when false in the `mangle()` method and kept in the `mangleField()` method. Has your code worked before?
00:30:42Demos_ues
00:30:44Demos_yea
00:31:00Demos_oh
00:31:06Demos_I see that when false
00:31:15flaviu1Maybe I messed up on some subtle behavior.
00:31:50Demos_try naming a field union or Union
00:33:51flaviu1Demos_: I can't reproduce it
00:34:03flaviu1wait, I havent pulled
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00:37:54flaviu1Demos_: Yeah, I can't reproduce it. `let union = true` with just c as the compiler options?
00:39:02Demos_oh shit
00:40:04flaviu1bbl
00:45:48Demos_ugh I can not repro it either
00:46:23Demos_except on the 20kloc file that it breaks
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03:40:22CARAM_how does the GC deal with say, an proc you import through FFI?
03:41:46CARAM_like if I call a c function that allocates and then returns a ref for a struct, is there any way for that to get picked up by the GC?
03:46:06fowlCARAM_, you mean it allocates and returns a pointer?
03:46:16CARAM_yes
03:46:32fowlyou can box it in a reference
03:49:46CARAM_so the struct will get GC'd?
03:50:14CARAM_or do I need to manually dealloc it?
03:50:18fowlmost c apis are exposed as bare as possible though, requiring you to call destroy() or something similar when you're done with it
03:50:30fowlCARAM_, yea, ref types are gc'd
03:51:36CARAM_oh sweet
03:52:05CARAM_thanks
03:53:06CARAM_and do you know if I was interested in accessing the members of that struct, would that be possible?
03:53:35fowlyea
03:55:24CARAM_how would I do that?
03:55:56fowlheres an example https://gist.github.com/fowlmouth/950c998b7de5f9663af5
03:57:16fowlCARAM_, you need the layout of the struct to match whatever comes from the DLL you're calling into
03:59:36CARAM_gotcha, thanks!
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04:36:08Demos_I found the repro for the union thing
04:36:13Demos_will tell about it tomorrow
04:42:30fowli know what im dreaming about tonight (:
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06:57:39NimBotAraq/Nimrod new_spawn d2dbcf2 Araq [+3 ±5 -2]: progress with futures
07:22:58Varriountdom96: On linux, what happens when an inotify watch is renamed?
07:23:52Varriountdom96: Also, when watching a directory, are events for the directory itself reported, or just events from the files in the directory?
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07:45:34VarriountAraq: Any relatively easy compiler bugs I can bang my head against?
07:51:09AraqVarriount. I never know about the "easy" but surely
07:52:28VarriountAraq: Let me rephrase. Could you give me a compiler bug that's possible for me to solve in 1-3 days, with possibly a hint as to where I should be looking to fix the bug?
07:52:48Araqdude wait a sec
07:52:54AraqI'm looking up the bug number
07:54:12Araqbug #1200 is easy
07:54:24Araqjust make renderParamTypes more robust
07:57:01Araqpossibly by using lookups.considerAcc()
07:58:14Araqalso have a look at bug #1011
07:58:33Araqthis is not that easy to fix, but it's really embarrassing
07:59:14Araqsemtempl.nim needs special handling for nkDotExpr (the AST that represents obj.field)
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08:00:21VarriountOk, I'll work on those.
08:11:25VarriountHuh, the whole word "consider" comes up 23 times in the compiler source code (just comments)
08:13:38EXetoC78 case-insensitive matches
08:13:49EXetoCoh comments
08:14:08EXetoConce again I've read too quickly
08:14:54EXetoC25 times then :p
08:20:19AraqVarriount: remind me to skype with you about bug #1011
08:21:43AraqI need to explain to you the details of symbol choice lists
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09:18:38dom96Varriount: inotify watches have names?
09:18:56dom96Varriount: It's been a long time and I can't remember.
09:19:14dom96Varriount: Is the windows implementation done?
09:27:56Varriountdom96: 98% done
09:28:21Varriountdom96: I need to know how to handle watched files being moved/renamed
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09:28:48dom96EventMoved?
09:29:10dom96Actually, EventRenamed is better.
09:29:14Varriountdom96: Remember that Windows only allows monitoring directory contents, not a single file.
09:29:40Varriountdom96: Therefore, to implement file level monitoring, I have to implement a filter.
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09:34:20Varriountdom96: https://github.com/Varriount/Nimrod/blob/os/filemon/lib/pure/filemon.nim
09:36:17Varriountdom96: If you look at the watchFile procedure, I have to add an additional wrapper callback to filter out events concerning other files.
09:38:57dom96huh, how does this work. Why doesn't watchFile take an fd as its first arg or something?
09:39:09Araqfilemon is a cool name
09:39:31AraqI used to search for Mons
09:39:52Araqeven had to fight a Gorgor to get one :p
09:39:58dom96Also, these procs should return a future
09:40:22Araqbut not a threadpool.future ...
09:40:25Varriountdom96: A future only fires ones?
09:40:30Varriount*once
09:40:44Araqwe really need a name for that
09:41:06Araqpromise? delayed? dataflow? flow?
09:41:09dom96Varriount: Good point, hrm.
09:41:26Varriountdom96: I could add future support I think.
09:41:29dom96Araq: No, there should be no distinction! You should reuse my futures!
09:41:43Araqdom96: no way
09:41:53Araqthough .. hrm
09:42:00Varriountdom96: I'll think on it when I take my shower.
09:42:25dom96But more importantly, there should be a FileMonitor object keeping state or something
09:42:33Varriountdom96: No...
09:43:06VarriountThere isn't really any state that needs to be kept, that isn't kept in the closure already.
09:43:25dom96inotify will likely need it
09:44:49dom96I guess using callbacks is fine.
09:45:00dom96But you need to make the callback return a PFuture[bool]
09:46:31Varriountdom96: Er, you do know that the callback returns a bool in order to signal whether to stop watching a directory, right?
09:47:21dom96does that matter?
09:47:29dom96The point is I should be able to await inside that callback
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09:48:34Varriountdom96: Have you read the entire source code?
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09:50:04dom96no
09:50:26VarriountLet me add some comments then.
09:51:07dom96You simply add a callback to the future returned by the FileEventCb
09:51:28dom96it should be possible to cancel the watch asynchronously
09:52:09Varriountdom96: Yes, I was planning to do that via a handle to the actual watch
09:52:55dom96If you don't make the callback asynchronous I won't be able to do much in the callback
09:53:23dom96say for example I want to read the file that was modified
09:53:43dom96how do I do that asynchronously if the callback needs to return immediately?
09:54:57Jehan_I'm not sure that I understand what you need to do?
09:57:42Varriountdom96: Then wouldn't you put that logic in the callback itself?
09:57:58dom96exactly
09:58:07dom96But how do I do that when the callback isn't asynchronous?
09:58:25VarriountWhat do you mean by asynchronous?
09:58:41dom96returning PFuture
09:58:50dom96and therefore not completing immediately.
09:59:07VarriountIt is called every time asyncdispatch.poll() is called and there are file events waiting.
09:59:40dom96I know. But if I want to use an {.async.} proc as a callback I am shit out of luck.
10:01:40EXetoCcan it be non-blocking or must a thread be spawned?
10:01:50Varriountdom96: I'll make the change. I don't know how it will work, but I'll do it.
10:02:28Varriountdom96: Which procedure(s) need to return a future, and of what kind?
10:03:20dom96just the file event callback
10:04:51dom96It may be simpler to just get rid of its return value
10:05:15dom96You can create a delWatch instead
10:06:21Varriountdom96: You've seen the fileEventCb inside watchPathImpl, right?
10:06:43dom96yes, i'm looking at it
10:06:49EXetoCand if you had to create a thread for example, then it wouldn't be a good idea to use async, right?
10:07:04VarriountEXetoC: It doesn't use threads.
10:07:17dom96it will use threads eventually
10:07:30dom96which may be another reason to introduce a FileMonitor object
10:08:02dom96but I dunno
10:08:10dom96Haven't worked out the details with that yet
10:08:41Varriountdom96: If in doubt, look at what successful async implementations in other languages have done, and do what they do.
10:08:48EXetoCwhen? using a thread and pretending that something doesn't block seems silly
10:09:06VarriountOr rather, do what they do well, and do better what they don't do well.
10:09:07dom96EXetoC: So that it can use all cores.
10:09:42dom96Varriount: Yeah, you should get rid of the return value.
10:09:58dom96And then simply call ``callBack``
10:10:12VarriountYeth Mathter.
10:10:28dom96Make it return a PFuture[void] and the dispatcher will take care of the rest ;)
10:10:45Araqhi Jehan_ I've implemented "futures" (we really need another name) in the new_spawn branch
10:11:08Varriountdom96: Now I have no way to stop watching files/directories.
10:11:21dom96Varriount: What about a removeWatch proc?
10:11:38Araqand the 5 line trivial test program doesn't crash, but a code review would really be nice ...
10:11:47Varriountdom96: Yeah, but now I need to store the handle somewhere.
10:12:02dom96Varriount: FileMonitor object ;)
10:12:29Varriount*grumble* *grumble*
10:13:29Varriountdom96: Shoud I move the closure to per-filemonitor, instead of per-watch?
10:13:34Varriount*Should
10:14:15dom96hrm. Per-filemonitor I think
10:18:01Varriountdom96: Part of me dislikes the fact that much of the information that will be contained in the FileMonitor object is also contained in the global dispatcher
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10:20:13EXetoCdom96: so the purpose is not just to optionally block with await? I've only used it for serial tasks with non-blocking sockets
10:21:02dom96EXetoC: The purpose of await is to delegate control to other async procs
10:21:20VarriountUsing the magic of iterators!
10:22:15EXetoCyeah ok. my usage is much simpler
10:22:28dom96Varriount: Actually, the dispatcher needs an unregister proc
10:23:14dom96and you should call it
10:23:18dom96why do you need a handle list?
10:24:20Varriountdom96: I need to map filenames to handles, so that external procs can cancel file watching
10:24:27EXetoC'when' as expression ftw
10:24:52dom96EXetoC: Using all cores is useful for socket servers. So that they scale well.
10:24:56Varriountdom96: The only way to cancel file watching on windows is to call CancelIo(directoryHandle)
10:25:08EXetoCsure
10:25:31dom96oh no. You should return the handle.
10:25:42dom96And pass that to removeWatch
10:27:01Varriountdom96: And where will that handle come from?
10:27:12dom96watchFile/dir?
10:27:36Varriountdom96: Aren't those supposed to return futures?
10:27:45dom96nah
10:28:05VarriountThen where will the futures be sent?
10:28:12dom96Do they perform anything which can block?
10:28:25dom96if the answer is no then they shouldn't return futures
10:28:39dom96you mean the one from the FileEventCb?
10:28:43Varriountdom96: Yes.
10:28:47dom96it will be discarded
10:29:00VarriountSo I'm creating a future... only to discard it?
10:29:02*dom96 is quite proud of how awesomely magically this works :P
10:29:15dom96Yes, because it returns void anyway.
10:29:29dom96The future will still complete, but you do not need to wait until it does
10:29:35dom96So you simply discard it
10:29:50*dom96 needs to explain this in his blog post if he hasn't already
10:29:51Varriountdom96: I'd like to discuss this further (on teamspeak if possible), however I need to take a shower.
10:29:59dom96ok, I need to eat something
10:30:05VarriountI'll be back in about 20-30 minutes
10:30:08dom96k
10:41:12Araqa shower really shouldn't take 30 minutes
10:41:30EXetoC5 maybe
10:43:48EXetoCdom96: well, sockets don't block, but I guess that's an exception
10:46:00dom96what? sockets do.
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10:49:15EXetoCI don't know how it's considered asynchronous if it's not being processed in a separate thread
10:55:13dom96Multithreading and asynchronous IO are two different things.
10:55:22AraqEXetoC: it doesn't block so the thread can continue with other stuff
10:55:23dom96The latter does not require threads.
10:55:32dom96brb need to walk dog.
10:56:26EXetoCit doesn't block in any way still
11:04:18Varriountdom96: I'm on teamspeak
11:08:03EXetoCdom96: you mean they *might* block? or maybe the term is used in different ways, which would be confusing
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11:08:44VarriountEXetoC: Asynchrous IO means that an IO operation is not done all at once. Rather, it is spread out.
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12:12:01NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 6a38d36 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±3 -0]: Rename asyncdispatch.close to asyncdispatch.closeSocket.
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12:13:37Araqdom96: why the rename?
12:14:33dom96It'll become ambiguous when I introduce file i/o
12:14:55dom96also the name doesn't reflect what the proc does
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12:21:43Araqdoes this break code?
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12:22:50dom96Yes. But no sane person should be using that module.
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12:34:26Araqok then
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12:57:23NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 657a000 Billingsly Wetherfordshire [+0 ±1 -0]: `=>` macro tripped on generic return types... 2 more lines
12:57:23NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel c6c7c65 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #1209 from fowlmouth/patch-3... 2 more lines
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14:05:13OrionPKhola guys
14:05:30VarriountHi OrionPK, long time no see.
14:05:39OrionPKI've been lurkin around
14:05:44OrionPKhow've you been
14:06:11VarriountOrionPK: I got a job!
14:06:17OrionPKcongrats!
14:06:23OrionPKdoing what?
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14:34:35Varriountdom96: Added a rule concerning multi-line procedure calls. https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/wiki/NEP-1
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14:43:26dom96Varriount: looks good
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14:44:51VarriountHello core-ix
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14:49:40VarriountHello devdri
14:49:55devdrihi
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14:55:51VarriountAraq: What does 'considerAcc' stand for? Consider access?
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17:26:37AraqVarriount: "consider the ` ` notation" ("accent")
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17:44:21OrionPKaraq have you looked into the vm issue?
17:44:57flaviu1dom96: Do I just dig the rst module out of the compiler for nimforum?
17:45:51dom96you likely need to change this https://github.com/nimrod-code/nimforum/blob/master/nimrod.cfg#L3
17:47:16flaviu1dom96: I'm switching things over to babel since I have to use a babel package anyway, I think that I'll try to pull docutils into a babel package
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17:50:01Demos_hey flaviu1 to rpro that bug just make sure to make an object with a member named Union and then make an exported proc that takes it as a param
17:50:16Demos_otherwise the whole object will not get put in the generated code
17:50:38flaviu1Demos_: Thanks, I'll look into it in a few minutes
17:50:43Demos_k
17:50:57Demos_it should be an easy fix but I do not know my way around that part of the compiler
18:01:53flaviu1dom96: I made a pull request for docutils on nimrod-code/packages, can you merge it?
18:02:48dom96Maybe you should ask Araq what he thinks before you do that.
18:02:53dom96The compiler depends on this after all.
18:03:52Araqflaviu1: the compiler depends on it, so it doesn't make sense to make it a babel package. You're not the first guy with that idea...
18:04:38Araqwe should make "nimrod doc|doc2" a separate .exe and then can babelize it
18:04:51flaviu1Araq: Can I fork it, call it 'rstparser', and have it be a babel lib>
18:04:57Araqbut oh ... reality is more complex than that
18:05:12flaviu1s/>/?/
18:05:24Araqlet's see ... can idetools export the generated docs? you bet.
18:05:40Araqso "nimrod idetools" should be separate too ...
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18:10:03Araqflaviu1: you can do that, but what's the problem? that you have no compiler around to compile nimforum?
18:11:22flaviu1Araq: I like the idea of it being completely self-contained, but if you don't want docutils in babel, I can use the compiler sources without problem
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18:22:29Mat3hello
18:22:30EXetoCmeep
18:22:38EXetoCtiming. hi Mat3
18:22:52EXetoCdid you go offline to finish what we talked about?
18:22:59Mat3hi EXetoC
18:24:47AraqOrionPK: can look at it again tonight, sorry
18:25:33Mat3EXetoC: I've finished the native-code compiler, yes. At current working on the backends and an IL which can be used instead C by the Nimrod compiler
18:26:59AraqMat3: nice. let me know if you need any help with anything, testing for instance. :D
18:27:09Mat3(because I've already have a implementation stub of these language written in C chances exist this do not take much time)
18:28:12Mat3Araq: will do
18:28:18flaviu1dom96: Which version of jester do you use on nimforum? The latest (I think) has some issues with macros
18:30:28OrionPKaraq cool
18:33:35Araqyou guys should check out the new_spawn branch btw. Multi-threading has never been easier in Nimrod.
18:33:36Mat3Araq: There will exist a bare-metal version of it which I code in x86-64 beside. Because most UEFI firmwares seem to be very bug ridden (and secure boot a bizarre desperation) some testing on real hardware would be fine for example
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18:45:22AraqMat3-coding: well it's not real backend until it can bootstrap the compiler ;-)
18:46:23Araqbbl
18:46:52AraqVarriount: don't pull that parseFloat enhancement, it breaks CTFE
18:46:54Araqbbl
18:47:41flaviu1Float parsing is a mess
18:49:13flaviu1You have to do all sorts of bit manipulations to get good results, otherwise your floats won't be accurate. Unless you're java, in which case you have to do everything with regular float operations, which is even more compilcated
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18:51:14dom96flaviu1: The latest
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19:10:08flaviu1using a hashed password as a session ID really isn't a good idea, but its worst implication is that an account could be taken over if someone gets access to that cookie
19:18:43Mat3-codingthe forum get hacked ?
19:19:13flaviu1Mat3-coding: No
19:20:03flaviu1I'm just going over the code for obvious vulnerabilities.
19:25:24flaviu1I don't understand this error: 'macros.nim(330, 21) Error: type mismatch: got (int literal(2), string) but expected one of: ...' with `&`. That line doesn't even contain a call to `&`
19:27:27EXetoCwrong line maybe
19:29:41flaviu1I don't think so, the surrounding lines don't have a `&` either
19:30:44EXetoC:O
19:31:13dom96yeah, those errors are no fun.
19:31:19dom96Is that what keeps jester from compiling?
19:32:04flaviu1dom96: No, it isn't in jester
19:32:23flaviu1Its in bcrypt, I think. I can't reproduce it except with the new hasing
19:32:39flaviu1nm, it isn't bcrypt
19:33:39flaviu1dom96: BTW, you might get better performance by adding `and password = ?` to the query, but its probably insignificant.
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19:41:20flaviu1dom96: It actually may be jester, but it already had hinted that jester was compiled, I'm not sure
19:42:10dom96flaviu1: Does it happen without your changes to nimforum?
19:42:49flaviu1dom96: Yes
19:43:43dom96I guess that's a regression then :\
19:43:48flaviu1I wonder how stable nimrod works
19:47:42Mat3-codingI think nil is now deprecated, right ? If so, what's the current replacement
19:51:06EXetoCit's only deprecated as a placeholder for an empty function, where discard should be used instead
19:51:26EXetoCor a comment, but that'll go away
19:53:17Mat3-codingthanks
19:55:28EXetoCI mean block
20:26:18flaviu1dom96: Ok, pull request sent. You have to pre-process the database to update all the hashes, my untested code for doing that is in the pull request
20:26:42dom96did you fix the jester issue?
20:26:45flaviu1Also, I couldn't compile it, so it may break everything
20:26:59flaviu1No, I couldn't compile the older version of nimrod for some reason
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22:24:08Araqflaviu1: " Brackets in backtick quotes #1217 " works as the spec/grammar says it works. we can support your idea easily though.
22:25:08Varriountflaviu1: I'm curious, why would you want to use brackets and braces as operators?
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22:46:24AraqVarriount: just check his example code
22:46:53Araqit's cool because then you don't have to use parLe, parRi, bracketLe, bracketRi, curlyLe, curlyRi
22:47:18flaviu1Varriount: Exectly
22:47:30flaviu1If only I could spell...
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23:36:01NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 3070264 Charlie Barto [+0 ±1 -0]: Added define check for openBSD around fmtmsg.h stuff, OpenBSD does not actually include this header
23:36:01NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 295b103 Charlie Barto [+5 ±21 -0]: Merge branch 'devel' into OpenBSDFix
23:36:01NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 46d4e5d Charlie Barto [+0 ±2 -0]: changed openssl to import CRYPTO_mem_set_functions from libcrypto and made sockets.nim exclude the sslv2 code on BSD
23:36:01NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel b9b45c1 Andreas Rumpf [+0 ±3 -0]: Merge pull request #1180 from barcharcraz/OpenBSDFix... 2 more lines
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23:41:36NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 502f7bf EXetoC [+0 ±3 -0]: Resolve type mismatches.
23:41:36NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel f66f43b EXetoC [+0 ±4 -0]: Fix more 'undeclared identifier' errors.
23:41:36NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 444e8dd EXetoC [+0 ±1 -0]: Revert changes to koch.
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