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00:16:03flaviu1Araq: Since you're going through pull requests, can you merge or close #1202?
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05:11:37New-GuyHowdy
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09:20:40EXetoCAraq: what about the unresolved C++ bugs?
09:22:10EXetoCand what was the problem with system.nim? simply that it doesn't consist of more submodules? I just wanted to add that slice iterator for the sake of consistency
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09:51:32AraqEXetoC: it's already bloated, I think we need another implicitly imported module
10:17:45Araqso ... I decided to name my futures "Promise" as I couldn't find a better name
10:18:16Araqso we now have futures&promises as in C++ but with completely different semantics ...
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10:26:37EXetoCok. numerical types and operations take up a decent chunk, and other categories less so. does the length matter much? many submodules are <200 lines
10:32:33dom96I'm still voting to combine them
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10:33:45EXetoCwhat are you referring to?
10:33:53dom96futures & promises
10:35:35Araqdom96: wrapping a promise in a future will be possible but is not my priority
10:36:59Araqbrb
10:38:42dom96Fine. Implement it like that, but know that i'll likely convince you eventually and it'll mean you will have more work to do :P
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10:50:59dom96bbl
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11:03:12VarriountAraq: dom96 and I were talking yesterday about splitting the system module into multiple, but still implicitly imported, modules
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11:11:59EXetoCso, just doc comments and include statements?
11:13:04EXetoCmaybe with some exceptions
11:13:25VarriountEXetoC: Hm? The things that don't really 'fit' in any defined category would probably remain in the system module, but yes, that's the main idea.
11:14:09VarriountEven if we had some fancy in-page search, browsing the system module's documentation is something of a cognitive overload.
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11:22:26EXetoCthe separation exists only if you don't browse the generated documentation
11:22:45EXetoCbut more fine-grained control over the layout is useful sometimes
11:22:55VarriountEXetoC: Er, what do you mean?
11:23:28VarriountThe system module's documentation page is one of the largest pages in the documentation set.
11:23:41Varriount(Barring the pages for some of the wrapper modules)
11:24:25EXetoCyes, and it already has a couple of submodules, all of which end up in system.nim's AST, so something else would have to be done
11:27:28EXetoCI was going to use opengl.nim as an example, but I think it should be split in two rather than being divided into documentation sections
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11:28:26VarriountEXetoC: Yes, but for implicitly imported modules, separation of ast doesn't really matter.
11:32:51EXetoCnot entirely sure what you mean by that, but I think I know what you want the end result to be; one generated documentation file per submodule, right?
11:33:06VarriountEXetoC: Yes.
11:33:52VarriountInstead of the current hulking documentation page.
11:35:08EXetoCyep
11:47:20VarriountHAs anyone actually used the mysql module? I'm surprised that the thing even compiles, considering that some reserved words are used as parameter identifiers in several places.
11:52:11EXetoCsuch as? I've found two quoted keywords so far
11:53:59Varriountfrom, bind, stmt,
11:55:34EXetoCfrom and bind are escaped. I don't know if stmt compiles but that proc is in a "when false" block
11:56:23dom96I think seperating the system module into documentation sections is a "good enough" solution.
11:57:39VarriountWhat would be the best solution?
12:00:05dom96First we should wait for (or help with) filwit's documentation improvements.
12:00:16dom96that will already make the docs super awesome and much more readable IMO
12:00:32VarriountSpeaking of which, has anyone seen filwit around lately?
12:03:42dom96!seen filwit
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12:03:46dom96Yes
12:03:47EXetoCthe generated documentation has hyperlinks to included files so that's good. include + sections should do then
12:03:55dom96I think he's sick currently.
12:04:11VarriountAww. We should send him get well soon cards.
12:05:06EXetoCcan't he just write code while in bed? wimp
12:05:31EXetoCyes, let's. anyone has his address?
12:06:24EXetoClet's do it the oldschool way
12:06:26VarriountEXetoC: Yeah, you try coding while nauseous. Cleaning vomit off a laptop is not fun.
12:06:50EXetoCI'm also a wimp
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12:29:22VarriountHi untitaker
12:29:47Varriountdom96: What's the difference between the 'major' and 'showstopper' labels for issue's on Github?
12:30:11dom96Varriount: Showstopper usually means it can't be worked around
12:30:34VarriountAnd what constitutes a 'major
12:30:43VarriountA 'major' issue?
12:32:04dom96dunno
12:32:16dom96a serious issue
12:42:47NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 0595338 Clay Sweetser [+0 ±1 -0]: Fix assertion in queues.dequeue
12:42:47NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel ede902a Varriount [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #1223 from Varriount/queues/fix-assertion... 2 more lines
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12:49:33VarriountAnyone know if Apple provides a test version of MacOSX, like Microsoft does for Internet Explorer developers?
12:55:20dom96I doubt it, I bet you can get a pirated version though.
12:55:27dom96brb
12:56:12VarriountBut I don't want to break the law... :/
12:59:10NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel fa961f1 enurlyx [+0 ±1 -0]: 1) export UINT... 1 more lines
12:59:10NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel a2692f9 enurlyx [+0 ±1 -0]: Changed COLORREF from int to DWORD (32 bit long), so that it works also on 64bit Windows
12:59:10NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 46fa465 Clay Sweetser [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge branch 'Windows' of git://github.com/enurlyx/Nimrod into enurlyx-Windows
12:59:10NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel d43c06d Clay Sweetser [+0 ±1 -0]: Manual merge of pull request #1138
12:59:10NimBot1 more commits.
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13:03:09dom96Varriount: What do you want to test?
13:03:12Varriountdom96: You see anything wrong with https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/pull/1221 ?
13:03:56Varriountdom96: The doc2 bug that gradha reported at https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/1134
13:04:01dom96Varriount: yes
13:04:52dom96Varriount: try running nimrod doc2 --os:macosx selectors.nim
13:12:50NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 0dc7703 Clay Sweetser [+0 ±1 -0]: Fix issue #1134... 2 more lines
13:12:50NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel b3a3952 Varriount [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #1225 from Varriount/fix-issue/1134... 2 more lines
13:15:47Varriountdom96: What was wrong with PR 1221?
13:16:16dom96IIRC even numbers are more optimal with the default GC.
13:17:12Varriountdom96: You sure you don't mean powers of two/factors of the memory page size?
13:17:17dom96yes
13:17:20dom96That's what Araq told me.
13:17:34dom96So better ask him.
13:17:45VarriountI could manually merge it in, and change the size to something else.
13:18:28dom96Better ask Araq.
13:22:00Varriountdom96: I need to take a break from working on file monitoring, so I figure a good use of my time would be fixing the trivial bugs that tend to build up.
13:22:12dom96sure
13:22:26Varriount'trivial' being mainly bugs involving stdlib machinary.
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13:32:44dom96it seems the forum compilation issues are caused by htmlgen
13:34:51dom96do we have anything better in babel?
13:35:11VarriountEXetoC: Is it possible you could simplify your issue examples so that I can actually run them?
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13:39:19dom96New templates have broken the code :\
13:41:16EXetoCVarriount: which ones? they should all be usable test cases
13:41:29EXetoCthe last one might be a little big though. I should be able to reduce that
13:41:46Varriounthttps://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/1201
13:42:06Varriounthttps://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/1215
13:42:55dom96Varriount: You shouldn't import epoll on mac os x in selectors
13:43:43Varriountdom96: Then why is epoll machinery being used on MacOSX?
13:44:00dom96it shouldn't be.
13:44:04dom96if it is
13:44:25dom96and it's not
13:44:57Varriountdom96: When I ran that code example gradha posted, the output showed "selectors.nim(36, 24) Error: undeclared identifier: 'epoll_event'" and the like
13:45:14dom96That's because of the 'or defined(nimdoc)'
13:45:22dom96that's wrong.
13:45:46dom96Mac OS X does not support Epoll
13:46:18Araqproc `^`*[T](fut: Future[ref T]): foreign ptr T
13:46:27Araqregionized pointers are cool :-)
13:47:06dom96Araq: Is this a regression? I can't call a template with no params without the ()
13:49:04*dom96 thinks he will slaughter most of jester
13:49:51dom96It will lose its sinatra-like powers but at least I won't constantly get bitten by ambiguous symbols
13:50:47Varriountdom96: Ok then, what should be changed to fix the selector module docgen?
13:50:58dom96Varriount: Good question
13:51:49dom96I think it would be wise to document the 'else' branch of the when
13:51:56dom96and change it to an 'elif defined(nimdoc)'
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13:52:12dom96since all the major platforms support select
13:52:18Varriountdom96: Kinda like what the OS module does?
13:52:33Araqdom96: yeah indeed though I think 0.9.4 works with jester?
13:53:01dom96Araq: I don't have 0.9.4 around to check
13:53:08Araqoh well we really need that 0.9.4.2 release I think anyway
13:53:23AraqI'll help you sort it out ... tomorrow
13:53:32AraqI gotta go bye
13:53:51dom96Araq: ok
13:54:44dom96Varriount: not really
14:04:23EXetoCVarriount: ok done. I'll reduce and report the third bug later
14:04:44VarriountEXetoC: Thanks.
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14:12:43EXetoCacc -> accents. yup, definitely justified :p
14:13:25VarriountEXetoC: You're referencing my changes?
14:13:40EXetoCyes
14:14:22VarriountEXetoC: For all a new user knows, it could mean "consider accuracy" " consider accountancy", etc
14:15:18EXetoCI wasn't being sarcastic btw
14:18:07EXetoCso .. has higher priority than div?
14:20:17EXetoConly with strongSpaces
14:31:56dom96You guys think a future which is completed with an exception should fail immediately if it does not have a callback associated with it?
14:32:43Varriountdom96: What's the alternative?
14:33:09Varriountdom96: Also, you might want to think of adding support for 'errbacks' if possible.
14:33:29dom96The alternative is that you need to be careful when discarding futures
14:34:11dom96That's easy to emulate so I won't add it
14:37:50dom96Raising the exception immediately will be a bit unexpected I think
14:38:38dom96But hitting an issue where your exceptions is silently ignored sounds much worse
14:39:18EXetoCyeah
14:40:33dom96oh well. This stuff is experimental anyway :P
14:47:12VarriountWhat is "tyBigNum"?
14:51:14flaviu1Varriount: a type, BigNum
14:51:31Varriountflaviu1: We have a BigNum type?
14:51:40Varriountflaviu1: I found that in the compiler source code.
14:52:12flaviu1No, I think its just a BigInt or something
14:54:39flaviu1Or maybe its leading up to the inclusion of a bignum as a language construct, although that makes no sense since that needs to be done as a library
15:00:09VarriountHm. What should 100.type.repr return? The same as $type(100)?
15:05:32EXetoCthere is no $ for typedesc, but there's typetraits.name
15:09:22VarriountHrm. Seems a bit silly to me. If $ is 'stringify', then you would expect it to give the name of the type.
15:09:37VarriountOr repr to give the name of the type, at the very least.
15:21:59dom96hrm
15:22:08dom96simply enabling threads causes all sorts of issues with IOCP
15:23:26VarriountAraq: Any pointers on how to change genRepr to handle types? It's call to initLoc is getting stuck on getUniqueType.
15:24:56VarriountAraq: Since I don't know the compiler internals, I can only guess that initLoc initializes a location in the C code for a variable, and it uses getUniqueType to determine the type of that variable.
15:25:09Varriountdom96: Like what?
15:25:22dom96like connectEx suddenly failing
15:25:32dom96osErrorMsg gives nothing
15:26:13Varriountdom96: Hm. Are you actually using multiple threads, or just doing --threads:on?
15:26:31dom96just --threads:on
15:27:54Varriountdom96: Wait, is connectEx one of the api procedures that you have to manually retrieve a pointer to at runtime?
15:28:00dom96yeah
15:29:47Varriountdom96: Silly question: Is the number of threads at runtime different?
15:30:06dom96dunno
15:35:04dom96well this sucks
15:35:56Varriountdom96: It might be worth setting up a barebones test, using only the Windows api, and see if you can get that to work first.
15:36:17VarriountThen you can deal with shoehorning it into asyncdispatch machinary.
15:37:14dom96Meh.
15:40:27flaviu1Araq: I feel that reference equality should be another method, not `==`. `eq` maybe?
15:40:50Varriountflaviu1: I think you mean 'is'
15:41:49flaviu1Varriount: Isn't `is` taken already as the java `instanceof` operator?
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15:42:41Varriountflaviu1: Hm. You're right.
15:42:52VarriountHello kunev
15:43:43kunevhey :)
15:46:11VarriountAnyone know what the 'expr' procedure in ccgexpr.nim is meant to do?
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15:57:47EXetoCflaviu1: you don't want to dereference?
15:58:01EXetoCnvm
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16:20:06enurlyxHi
16:20:35enurlyxIs there a way to handle structs in structs in struct automaticly with c2nim?
16:20:53enurlyxSame goes for union in structs ...
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16:25:47fowlenurlyx, yeah someone has to write the support into it
16:26:10enurlyxSo it means c2nim does not support it yet
16:26:23fowlyea
16:28:23enurlyxI try to add it then. Lets see if i can understand the code
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19:52:22caioariedehi guys! how could I check if a given object has a certain property? for example: hasProperty(obj, "name")
19:56:59flaviu1caioariede: I'm not sure what you mean. If an object doesn't have a certain property, the call to that property shouldn't compile.
19:59:40caioariedeyeah.. in fact, I'm trying to parse/convert a string like this: "myobject.someproperty" to: ctx["myobject"].someproperty
19:59:53caioariedeany thoughts?
20:00:32caioariedein Python (for example), it would be something like this: getattr(ctx["myobject"], "someproperty")
20:00:48caioariedeI'm not trying to compare the two languages, it's just an example.
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20:02:36Demos_hello New-Guy!
20:02:42Demos_welcome to Nimrod
20:03:56flaviu1caioariede: You could use a macro pragma, I think
20:05:15flaviu1Annotate each method with a thing that says its available for reflection and place its name and pointer into a global table
20:06:35flaviu1Another possibility is to make a method that dispatches a string to all the possible functions
20:06:46EXetoCif it's worth the trouble. we rely on compile-time information in general
20:06:54flaviu1There isn't really a clean way to do this
20:07:25Demos_well the global table is kinda how a language with runtime reflection would work
20:08:45flaviu1Main disadvantage of the global table is that he'll probably run into VM bugs
20:12:59dom96caioariede: I'm assuming you want to do this at runtime?
20:13:56caioariedeyes. the string "myobject.someproperty" is coming from an external file.
20:14:29dom96caioariede: What's the use case?
20:14:52flaviu1I assume a configuration file?
20:15:42caioariedeit's for a template engine (like django)
20:15:43dom96You can use the typeinfo module for this I think: http://build.nimrod-lang.org/docs/typeinfo.html
20:16:01dom96But you should probably do it at compile-time instead
20:16:19caioariedehttps://github.com/caioariede/pum/blob/master/framework/nimtpl/tplcontext.nim#L23
20:16:55caioariederight now it's just accepting "variable" but I'm trying to make it accept things like "obj_variable.name"
20:17:37caioariededom96: thanks, I'll take a look at typeinfo
20:17:49dom96toAny(obj)["field"] should work I think.
20:19:40flaviu1caioariede: The way that templates are usually done is with http://nimrod-lang.org/filters.html
20:22:20caioariedeyeah.. I know. It's quite different from what I'm doing: https://github.com/caioariede/pum/blob/master/framework/templates/template_error.html
20:22:43dom96caioariede: That's nice.
20:23:10caioariedethx :)
20:23:17caioariedeI'm new to Nimrod, but I'm trying to learn this way
20:23:24dom96caioariede: Split it into its own package if you can.
20:23:58dom96so that I can use it in my web apps :)
20:24:22caioariedeyeah.. I started this way because it's easier to start, later I'll have probably three packages: app (which uses the framework), the web framework and the template system
20:24:53caioariedein fact, the app is just for testing purposes
20:24:55dom96cool
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20:41:35Mat3hello
20:43:07reactormonkMat3, o/
20:44:55caioariededom96: I'm trying to use toAny but I'm getting this error: https://gist.github.com/caioariede/f6403dae83568cf3aa14 -- any thoughts?
20:46:35dom96hrm, try removing ref
20:47:08EXetoChurm hurm
20:49:04Mat3hello ractormonk
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20:49:42superfunchey everybody
20:51:17flaviu1Demos_: Sorry, I forgot about your bug until now. I've managed to reproduce it, but I have to check what the old behavior was.
20:51:36Demos_yeah I thought it was just generateing uppercase names, but I am not sure
20:52:03Demos_I really should have filed an issue, but I kept telling myself I would just fix the thing myself
20:53:40flaviu1Demos_: It doesn't work with the revision before my changes either.
20:54:13Demos_oh maybe the blame is not on you then
20:55:09flaviu1Demos_: I'm leaning towards not fixing this, you're explicitly asking for it to be exported with the given names
20:55:20Demos_it should work with e54ab22bf, and I really am not asking for that
20:55:42Demos_not fixing it would mean prohibiting the use of all C keywords
20:55:51flaviu1Demos_: Try `type TTest = object \n union {.exportc: "Union".}: int`
20:56:17Demos_right, but I am not exportcing these things
20:57:07flaviu1Demos_: Can you gist your testcase? I think that it may be different from mine
20:57:14Demos_sure
20:58:41Demos_OK I just made an issue #1226
20:58:48Demos_I bet lowercase union would also produce the bug
20:59:14Demos_when nimrod compiles a file does it produce a failure exit code if the C compiler fails?
21:01:28flaviu1Demos_: No, you're right, its my fault
21:02:31EXetoCVarriount: how's it going and stuff? are you using a debugger?
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21:05:04flaviu1Demos_: I have no idea why my code isn't working, its really weird
21:06:06Mat3flaviu1: what is the reason for .exportc ?
21:06:10flaviu1If I convert both `'a'..'z'` and `'A'..'Z'` to uppercase, it works, but if I only convert `'a'..'z'` it compiles incorrectly
21:06:30Demos__that is wieeeerd
21:06:51flaviu1Mat3: To choose an identifier that isn't a C keyword. Ignore that though, its a bug that needs fixing
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21:08:53Mat3let's check up the generated C code
21:10:51Mat3no error here (Nimrod 0.9.4)
21:11:45Demos__Mat3: the error is in Nimrod devel or 0.9.5
21:11:48flaviu1Mat3: Correct, it works on 0.9.4. I broke it in a568c6102
21:13:06Mat3sorry
21:13:32flaviu1Demos__: Apply https://gist.github.com/52539e4a24d6e84c8b14
21:13:38flaviu1I've sent a pull request
21:14:01flaviu1Sorry, thats the reverse patch
21:14:23flaviu1https://gist.github.com/flaviut/6cafd2e4f0249c82b117 is the correct pach
21:14:29Demos__this sounds like a underlying bug
21:14:37flaviu1Yeah, it does
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21:39:50Mat3ciao
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21:58:40New-GuyHowdy guys.
21:58:53flaviu1Hey
21:59:05New-GuyI've looked all over but I can't seem to find how to iterate over all the individual lines of a stmt in a macro.
22:00:03flaviu1New-Guy: stmt.children?
22:00:55New-Guyflaviul: Thanks so much.
22:01:26flaviu1They may not all be on separate lines, but I think that's the closest you can get
22:03:15flaviu1https://gist.github.com/8e3f22c8960707482804
22:04:53New-Guyflaviul: That's perfect, mate. Thank you.
22:04:55EXetoCyeah so it's much more high-level than individual lines
22:05:32New-GuyDefinitely, I'm really loving learning about this macro system.
22:05:48New-GuyC++ is my strong suit so this is magical.
22:09:53flaviu1New-Guy: You like C? How about https://gist.github.com/flaviut/10515205/c6a84964da32847f4bd8ab9d4f52fbe1f6241e57 :P
22:10:14flaviu1I could get it even closer, but I haven't had time
22:10:57New-Guyflaviul: Haha, that's pretty great.
22:11:22EXetoC-.-
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23:32:22New-GuyHey, can templates convert an identifier to a string?
23:34:43flaviu1New-Guy: I think you need a macro for that, but you might be able to get by with http://build.nimrod-lang.org/docs/manual.html#identifier-construction
23:45:24fowlNew-Guy, yes, use astToStr()
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