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| 03:22:45 | subsetpark | dom96: interesting comments - I guess the thinking behind ref Deque was to allow many-to-one semantics. But maybe there's no difference between that and var Deque |
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| 03:54:52 | girvo | Q: is it possible to have flags in a "nim.cfg" file be dependent on some command-line flag? |
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| 04:34:28 | girvo | And for another (probably dumb) question: how can I call a function from C that returns a Nim tuple? |
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| 06:10:16 | chrisheller | girvo: Yes, you can do some basic checks in a .cfg file based on command line |
| 06:11:36 | chrisheller | For example, we compile with either -d:arch64 or -d:arch32 on the command line |
| 06:13:12 | chrisheller | The .cfg files have @if arch64: <some config settings for 64 bit> @else: <some config settings for 32 bit> |
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| 07:01:46 | FromGitter | <konqoro> hey anyone remember that bitbucket repo with nim implementations of iterators for partitions of a set? |
| 07:03:43 | FromGitter | <konqoro> also where is irclogs.nim-lang.org? |
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| 07:12:11 | FromGitter | <konqoro> nvm found it |
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| 07:47:13 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> does anybody here have windows experience? I have never programmed on windows, but now I have to try to interface with a device for which there is only a windows dll. ⏎ ⏎ I would like to try using it in Nim, but I only have the DLL, without any header or anything. Are DLLs in windows autodescriptive? Is there a way to extract a header or something? |
| 07:48:41 | couven92 | @andreaferetti unfortunenately not... You CAN extract the exported symbol name, but that's all you get I'm afraid |
| 07:51:35 | couven92 | unless you have a .NET dll, in which case you could open it up in dotPeek (or similar) and reflect it. But since a .NET DLL would not be native, you could not use it with Nim anyways |
| 07:51:47 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> ok thank you |
| 07:52:01 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> I will try to get something more from the provider |
| 07:57:12 | couven92 | @andreaferretti, if you have the Visual Studio C++ compiler installed, you can open a Developer Command Promot and run `dumpbin.exe <file.dll> /HEADERS /EXPORTS`. That will show everything in the DLL that you can use (along with some header information about the DLL in general) |
| 08:00:26 | couven92 | Ah! Sorry, it's `/SYMBOLS` not `/EXPORTS` |
| 08:01:12 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> thank you! |
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| 09:01:38 | ipjk | Hi, is there any difference between ´case n´ and ´case n:´? |
| 09:04:14 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> I see weird glyphs |
| 09:05:35 | Araq | ipjk: 'case n' is preferred since more logical |
| 09:05:41 | Araq | but apart from that, no difference |
| 09:05:50 | ipjk | Araq: thanks, cheers. |
| 09:07:11 | euantor | andreaferretti: THere's also this which is useful: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/dll_export_viewer.html |
| 09:07:25 | euantor | (late response, hopefully not too late ;)) |
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| 09:22:39 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Not too late at all, thank you! |
| 09:38:36 | Trioxin | been thinking about a new hosting panel in Nim |
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| 10:20:49 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> a new hosting panel? |
| 10:23:41 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> Are there any xpath modules in the stdlib? |
| 10:23:56 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> or should I be using something like - https://github.com/vegansk/xmltools ? |
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| 10:27:50 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> nm think I found an example on rosetta code duh |
| 10:40:00 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> @andreaferretti also c++ compiled dll's can provide all information on exported functions (type, name, parameters) |
| 10:46:10 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> meh I think I'm going to have to use vegansk's library |
| 10:47:38 | FromGitter | <abijahm> @zacharycarter what about this https://github.com/OpenSystemsLab/q.nim but it seems old |
| 10:48:04 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> yeah it does |
| 10:48:37 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ideally I'm not using xml - I plan on using YAML but there's a regression in Nim right now preventing me from using NimYaml so I'm using xml for the time being |
| 10:48:49 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> I think I'll just use vegansk's library for now |
| 10:53:52 | Araq | hu? NimYaml doesn't work anymore, thats bad |
| 10:54:20 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> apparently nor does xmltools |
| 10:54:23 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ugh |
| 10:55:43 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> @Araq : https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/5918 |
| 10:57:53 | Araq | ok |
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| 11:54:51 | dave24 | does anyone know of a cbor implementation for nim? |
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| 13:52:46 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> dave24: you can wrap this library - https://github.com/PJK/libcbor |
| 13:54:07 | dave24 | FromGitter: thanks, yeah looks like I will have to wrap a c lib |
| 13:54:08 | FromGitter | dave24, I'm a bot, *bleep, bloop*. I relay messages between here and https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim |
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| 13:57:19 | dom96 | So today should be the launch of the 2017 Nim community survey. |
| 13:57:48 | dom96 | I haven't started creating it yet, but I might still be able to create it today. |
| 13:57:54 | dom96 | Any question suggestions are welcome. |
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| 14:18:08 | federico3 | dom96: link to the questions on the previous one? |
| 14:18:20 | dom96 | https://nim-lang.org/blog/2016/09/03/community-survey-results-2016.html |
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| 14:35:24 | dave24 | why does this work: "var a = [0x22'u8, 0x11]", but this does not: "var b = [0x11223344'u32, 0x778899aa]"? |
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| 14:40:03 | Araq | dave24: because the compiler converts 0x7.. to a signed integer and then doesn't see it's an uint32? |
| 14:41:23 | dave24 | yes, thats what happens. But why/how is it different with the single byte number? |
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| 14:43:29 | Araq | the compiler interprets 0x11 as a signed integer and then figures out it fits the u8 range. |
| 14:44:05 | Araq | it's quite obvious how these cases differ |
| 14:45:20 | dave24 | oh.. |
| 14:45:58 | dave24 | it tries to convert the type after getting it wrong |
| 14:46:05 | dave24 | i see. Thanks! |
| 14:46:45 | dave24 | I thought it inferred the type first. |
| 14:49:08 | Vi- | "cannot 'importc' variable at compile time" < Is this planned to be implemented at some point? |
| 14:51:06 | Vi- | I suppose this doesnt work because its running on a VM? |
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| 14:53:19 | Araq | dave24: it doesn't "get it wrong", the spec says integer literals are of type 'int' unless they don't fit then they are int64. the convenience conversions come afterwards |
| 14:56:20 | dave24 | sure, not wrong. Just not what I wanted |
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| 15:19:11 | dom96 | @andreaferretti: btw, the S: Waiting on Author label is more for PRs than issues :) |
| 15:19:39 | dom96 | Nice job reviewing all those issues though |
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| 15:25:00 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Ah ok sorry |
| 15:25:33 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> I wanted a way to signal that the issue was probably solved, but we are waiting for confirmation by the author |
| 15:25:41 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> I will not abuse it like that then |
| 15:26:00 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Just tell me if I get some label wrong |
| 15:26:15 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> I am trying to get an idea of the actual open bugs |
| 15:26:37 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> so having labels helps getting better numbers (lots of feature requests, RFC and so on) |
| 15:26:44 | dom96 | Maybe you could add a new "Not reproduced" label for that? |
| 15:26:58 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> sure, will do |
| 15:27:14 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Also, I am aksing whether stuff can be closed |
| 15:27:15 | dom96 | I've got the same one in the Nimble repo |
| 15:27:24 | dom96 | If you copy its colour that'd be handy :) |
| 15:27:32 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Many bugs just stay open because nobody bothers to close it |
| 15:27:47 | dom96 | yeah. |
| 15:27:56 | dom96 | A lot of noise in the issue tracker |
| 15:28:38 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Done |
| 15:28:55 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> There were already quite a few Waiting on author before I came though |
| 15:29:51 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Ah no, it's the search on github that mixes issues and PRs |
| 15:31:50 | FromGitter | <andreaferretti> Can I close stuff like this, where the author says it's ok now, but does not bother to close or answer anymore? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/4729 |
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| 15:33:07 | dom96 | andreaferretti: sure, just let the person know that they can always reopen it if it's still an issue. |
| 15:33:32 | Araq | yeah, that's how I do it often |
| 15:33:43 | Araq | "Closing, reopen if still an issue for you." |
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| 15:57:56 | subsetpark | potentially stupid question: can jester listen over a socket? |
| 16:07:23 | dom96 | subsetpark: You mean a unix socket? |
| 16:07:27 | dom96 | a file socket? |
| 16:07:32 | subsetpark | yeah, unix socket |
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| 16:12:23 | demi- | @andreaferretti there are bots that will do auditing of issues based on age and activity and will auto-close things if they aren't updated or cannot be reproduced. |
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| 16:15:09 | dom96 | subsetpark: afraid not |
| 16:15:15 | dom96 | asynchttpserver doesn't support it |
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| 16:48:56 | dom96 | https://nim-lang.org/blog/2017/06/23/community-survey-2017.html |
| 16:53:44 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> dom96: nice survey, done it |
| 16:53:52 | dom96 | TiberiumN: thanks! |
| 17:01:07 | couven92 | dom96, done! :) |
| 17:01:55 | dom96 | thx :D |
| 17:09:27 | dom96 | cool, 8 responses already |
| 17:10:03 | demi- | |
| 17:11:26 | demi- | dom96: i responded but i just thought of something that i didn't include; having more examples of how to use the javascript interop would be nice. almost all the stuff i read in the docs or code that is out there is based on C libraries |
| 17:11:44 | dom96 | demi-: Create an issue for that in the Nim repo :) |
| 17:11:57 | demi- | will do! |
| 17:13:45 | demi- | i feel like that could easily bring in a lot of new people to the language; but doesn't get much love |
| 17:15:40 | dom96 | I submitted the article to HN |
| 17:15:47 | dom96 | Upvotes would be appreciated |
| 17:17:50 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> give a link :) |
| 17:20:12 | dom96 | Check the newest https://news.ycombinator.com/newest |
| 17:21:02 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> ah, I see |
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| 17:47:17 | shmup | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14620851 |
| 17:47:20 | shmup | I see no harm in directly linking |
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| 17:52:52 | shmup | dom96: > How did you install Nim? |
| 17:53:01 | shmup | could have been checkboxes, like the "what platform are you developing on" |
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| 17:53:12 | shmup | i.e. i choosenim for osx and windows binary otherwise |
| 17:53:17 | shmup | then again, there is an Other Option |
| 17:53:24 | dom96 | shmup: upvotes may not count if using a direct link |
| 17:53:41 | shmup | shit dom96 i'm sorry. |
| 17:53:49 | shmup | ON'T USE MY DIRECT HACKER NEWS LINK PLEASE |
| 17:53:49 | dom96 | it's fine. |
| 17:54:07 | dom96 | Yeah, I'll try to remember to make it a checkbox next year :) |
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| 18:10:42 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> we need something like this - https://github.com/ponylang/ponyc/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:%22difficulty:+1+-+easy%22 |
| 18:10:45 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> for people like me |
| 18:10:54 | arecacea1 | heya, is there an easy way to create a new object of some ref-object-type on runtime from a string? e.g. I read "MyClass" from a config file and subsequently create a new object of type MyClass into a var of some base-class ? |
| 18:10:58 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ponylang's "low hanging fruit" |
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| 18:14:50 | demi- | zacharycarter; yeah having tags like "first pr" would also be good to get more people working on it |
| 18:15:11 | Araq | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AEasy |
| 18:15:29 | Araq | the only problem is that some of these are "easy" for me only. |
| 18:15:36 | Araq | but hey, we do have it. |
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| 18:22:08 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> ah cool :D |
| 18:24:52 | dom96 | Yeah, most documentation issues are easy too |
| 18:25:27 | dom96 | Bah, no traction on HN and not a single upvote on Reddit :\ |
| 18:26:41 | FromGitter | <jmoriau> (sorry to disturb), is there something special I have to do to enable SSL? (I'm still following Nim in Action and trying to make a get to an https website fails with: "Error: unhandled exception: SSL support is not available. Cannot connect over SSL. [HttpRequestError]") I'm on OS X Sierra, Nim 0.17 installed with choosenim |
| 18:26:48 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> yes |
| 18:26:52 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> compile with "-d:ssl" |
| 18:26:58 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> like nim c -d:ssl file.nim |
| 18:27:00 | FromGitter | <jmoriau> ah I see thanks! |
| 18:27:31 | FromGitter | <jmoriau> (is that written anywhere? Like manual, or online documentation? I looked around for a while before asking X) ) |
| 18:28:02 | Araq | the exception message should say "compile with -d:ssl" IMO |
| 18:29:07 | FromGitter | <jmoriau> Haha yeah it would have been clearer :p |
| 18:36:19 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> dom96: link to the reddit thread plz? |
| 18:36:39 | dom96 | https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6j2m42/launching_the_2017_nim_community_survey/ |
| 18:36:43 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> thanks |
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| 18:57:06 | Trioxin | is there a way to get a process list for the OS? I'm not seeing it. |
| 18:57:49 | Trioxin | a module rather |
| 19:07:57 | Araq | Trioxin: no, you need to wrap the Win API for that. on Linux you can access the /proc fake directory |
| 19:08:06 | subsetpark | What could this possibly mean? |
| 19:08:21 | subsetpark | strutils.nim parseInt |
| 19:08:21 | subsetpark | stdbuf[1496]: Error: unhandled exception: invalid integer: "3404" [ValueError] |
| 19:08:50 | Araq | subsetpark: strange unicode digits in your input? |
| 19:09:33 | subsetpark | oh wait, i bet the string has the quotes in it |
| 19:10:01 | subsetpark | yeah that was it |
| 19:10:22 | Araq | ah nice one |
| 19:10:56 | subsetpark | I bet Elm would have told me :) |
| 19:11:47 | shmup | im community survey on reddit/hn attracted crickets so far I think |
| 19:11:51 | shmup | s/im/nim |
| 19:18:55 | dom96 | Yeah, it didn't reach HN's front page |
| 19:19:01 | dom96 | and r/programming doesn't seem to likeit |
| 19:19:53 | dom96 | I wonder how much more complicated Elm's code is to deal with all these error scenarios :P |
| 19:20:15 | dom96 | Of course I would encourage you to improve the error in Nim :) |
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| 19:29:13 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> is there a way to get the last element in a sequence without accessing it by index? |
| 19:29:30 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> something like C++ vector.back |
| 19:30:13 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> idk, maybe there is, but you can try sequence[^1] |
| 19:30:34 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> ah no |
| 19:30:44 | FromGitter | <TiberiumN> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Feature-suggestions ⏎ There's that feature suggesting |
| 19:30:49 | Araq | subsetpark: Elm has specialized error messages for parseInt exceptions? |
| 19:31:18 | FromGitter | <zacharycarter> thanks @TiberiumN |
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| 19:32:36 | salewski | I have just posted a working solution of the callback problem to the forum. |
| 19:33:23 | salewski | I am now using name(type(arg)) to extract the real object type. That works. |
| 19:34:20 | salewski | But I wonder why the much simpler solution with getType(arg) in the macro does not work. |
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| 19:39:33 | Araq | yay I'm getting |
| 19:39:38 | Araq | Warning Not optimized: Deoptimized too many times |
| 19:40:09 | Araq | JITs and their unpredictable performance, who knows what it tried to optimize |
| 19:40:40 | Araq | could have compiled the code as written, it was written by me, it's fast :P |
| 19:53:38 | subsetpark | Araq: just joking. |
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| 21:10:23 | dom96 | I learned a new word today: cantankerous. |
| 21:10:29 | dom96 | Nice one whoever answered that :) |
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| 21:57:07 | shmup | hm, int to string? |
| 21:57:30 | dom96 | $ |
| 21:57:38 | dom96 | * to string = $ |
| 21:58:10 | shmup | gotcha, I was thinking for some reason I couldn't use it in this way (but it worked). if a function did operate on a string I couldn't $v.theThing() right? |
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| 22:06:56 | dom96 | ($v).theThing() |
| 22:16:19 | shmup | ahh, that explains it. thanks |
| 22:18:06 | couven92 | I have analysed through my testament run on android. Of the 1500 tests my phone ran, 136 tests currently fail (~9%), so now we can work on fixing Nim for Android, so that we truly can deliver 1st class Nim support for Android. Goto http://thnetii.td.org.uit.no/testament-results if you want to see for youselves :) |
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| 22:26:56 | couven92 | Araq, yes, I ended up adjusting the testament HTML, and adding a little colour and filtering... |
| 22:44:11 | Araq | couven92: wow, nice html output. can you create a PR for testament? |
| 22:46:03 | couven92 | Araq, ah, sorry, that's actually an ASP.NET Razor Page application (because I was on my WinServer right then)... But yeah, I could certainly port it to testament... I always wanted to know how these templ files worked... :P |
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| 22:59:14 | couven92 | Oh! After installing nodejs on my Android and re-running the JS category tests, we're now down to 50/1500 failing tests on Android (3,33%)! :D |
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