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00:06:05subsetparkGenerally speaking, are variables declared with `let` eligible for optimization by the Nim or C compilers, since they can be assumed not to change?
00:07:28subsetparkFor instance, for some `let x = foo()`, where you refer to x + 1 in the body of a loop, hoisting the calculation outside of the loop since the compiler knows it will always be the same
00:07:31PMunchsubsetpark, yes.
00:07:59PMunchIIRC
00:09:00PMunchFor example: https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html#optimizing-for-nim-optimizing-string-handling
00:09:50PMunchSince Nim knows that things defined with let won't change, it is able to avoid copying a string by referencing the original instead.
00:10:11subsetparkexcellent
00:14:24subsetparkI wonder if that's a special case for strings ?
00:14:34subsetparkI assume not
00:16:21PMunchPretty sure it's no
00:16:23PMunchnot*
00:16:47PMunchFor example try getting the .addr of a let
00:16:56PMunchIt won't let you because it "has no address"
00:17:39PMunchhttp://ix.io/yF8
00:17:53PMunchHmm, what can cause the tables module to over-/underflow
00:19:08subsetparkoh wow interesting
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00:27:12PMunchHuh, well this is weird. It seems to be something with the underlying seq
00:40:14PMunchOh man -_-
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00:41:19PMunchOkay, I was working with loading things through a dynlib (dll, so, whatever). And I had forgotten to recompile the dynlib, so it was passing something else than what I was expecting to get..
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02:29:55PMunchHmm, is there a way to assign to result when doing tuple unpacking?
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03:50:59Nimbecilethank you Araq for fixing the website (official/unofficial package lists)!
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05:32:22tankfeedermorning
05:33:34tankfeederwhy i cant compile this one:
05:33:36tankfeederhttp://ideone.com/ALPMch
05:33:37tankfeeder?
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06:22:01FromGitter<mratsim> Once again, someone confused and applying Python import logic to Nim. We need a specific page dedicated to Python import: https://www.reddit.com/r/nim/comments/6oa1jf/nim_newbie_got_a_few_questions/dkkh9bm/
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07:08:03Araqtankfeeder: because the template parameter is also substituted in foo.param
07:08:09Araqand that's a *feature*
07:08:21Araqso that you can abstract over the field name
07:09:31tankfeederDoes workaround exists?
07:09:49tankfeederOr leave as is
07:12:52tankfeederCant abstract over field name
07:15:04Araqworkaround: choose different template parameter names
07:15:25FromGitter<mratsim> http://ideone.com/6csLI0
07:15:37tankfeederOk
07:16:07tankfeederAaaaa, i see
07:16:20tankfeederMratsim, thanks
07:16:51FromGitter<mratsim> you’re welcome
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07:28:58tankfeederif i have template i want do different things based on input parameter type
07:29:48tankfeedercan i do it without typetraits + x.type.name ?
07:32:33FromGitter<mratsim> You can overload the template
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07:33:23FromGitter<mratsim> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5975a2c345fc670746bedf48]
07:33:36FromGitter<ephja> "x.type is T"?
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07:35:08FromGitter<mratsim> Ah yes, like ephja said you can use `when x is T` as well (no x.type)
07:37:29tankfeederok
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09:47:10user0What's the equivalent of member functions in Nim? And what's the syntax for it?
09:51:05euantorI've not used C++ before, but it looks like you might be looking for methods? https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut2.html#object-oriented-programming-methods
09:51:49euantorMight be best to describe what you're trying to do - methods provide dynamic dispatch, which often isn't actually needed
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09:57:45user0I am defining an object. While doing so, I want to find a derived value of it. For example, in a rectangle object, there's x, y, height, width and midpoint. midpoint is a derived value, how can I define midpoint? midpoint = (x + width / 2, y + length / 2) does not work, initialization does not work there
09:59:58Vladarproc midpoint(rect: Rect): float
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10:02:48user0Any wat to get the proc inside Type?
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10:09:48euantorYou cna define it as a property of the object, like the STream type does
10:10:06euantorhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/master/lib/pure/streams.nim#L48
10:10:22euantorBut the idiomatic approach is to simply use a proc as above
10:11:02user0Thanks
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11:12:51FromGitter<Varriount> user0: You can also do tricks overloading the "." Operator
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12:56:10FromGitter<zacharycarter> o/ morning
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13:14:35euantorI wonder if changing `gettimeofday` to `clock_gettime` as described here is worthwhile in the "times" module... http://pzemtsov.github.io/2017/07/23/the-slow-currenttimemillis.html
13:15:37cremIs there any live demo of nim app compiled to javascript which runs in browser which is not a game (or a game but not canvas-based)?
13:16:14euantorcrem: The JS for the playground is written in Nim: https://play.nim-lang.org/
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13:16:53cremthanks!
13:20:17cremNim is much more impressive than I initially thought! I wanted to take a closer look for a few years already, but now I finally read through all the docs, and walking impressed the whole week. :)
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13:45:22krux02crem: then welcome to the Nim world
13:45:42krux02Nim also impressed me when I started with it
13:46:55krux02but be warned when I started with it, I realized Nim is not the Hold Grail of programming languages as well. It has its flaws, too. But nothing I found was fundamentally wrong.
13:47:10krux02It's just the standard library could be improved
13:47:21krux02and here and there a few tweaks
13:51:55cremThere are things that I don't like much too. Like that language's syntax is too permissive, or that all metaprogramming related stuff is a bit too clever, or that when reading the source code and some identifier from some library is used, there's no way to find out from where it's imported. But in general it's really impressive.
13:58:04krux02crem: well there is nimsuggest so the question from where something is imported could be solved
13:58:53krux02I can imagine some colorful highlighting that emits a differnt color for each imported package so that you instantly see it. Or you use jump to definition.
13:59:25krux02And the permissiveness of the syntax, you get used to it.
13:59:44krux02So did I get used ot indentation based syntax
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15:06:26krux02well I have problems with nimsuggest
15:06:43krux02in emacs I always get the following error message
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15:07:24krux02http://ix.io/yFD
15:07:26krux02it sucks
15:07:38krux02because it there is constantly broken with nim-mode
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15:28:38krux02Araq: can you help me to get he epc nimsuggest working again?
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15:50:40demi-krux02: that is weird; i don't get that error on my systems
15:51:15krux02demi-: I don't know what the problem for this can be
15:51:38demi-:(
15:51:48krux02I try to improve nim-mode but I did not change anything epc mode related
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15:57:40krux02well aparently it has something to do with my local changes to nim-mode
15:57:45krux02but I can't explain it :/
15:58:03koranzaHi everyone, newbie question about the times module
15:58:16koranzaI have a string as input following ISO 8601 format and I wish to print it to the console in my local time zone (which is CDT). How do I go about doing that?
15:58:36koranzaI created an example here: https://glot.io/snippets/es11d5cfrb
15:58:47koranzaI'm not sure if everyone can see it though
16:00:11krux02well there is a parse procedure in the times module
16:00:13krux02try using that
16:00:24koranzathese 2 lines return the same result:
16:00:25koranzaecho format(parse(INPUT, INPUT_FORMAT),OUTPUT_FORMAT)
16:00:30koranzaecho format(getLocalTime(parse(INPUT, INPUT_FORMAT).toTime),OUTPUT_FORMAT)
16:00:39koranzawhere INPUT = "2017-07-11T20:20:06.964230Z"
16:00:44koranzaINPUT_FORMAT = "yyyy-mm-ddTHH:mm:ssZ"
16:00:48koranzaOUTPUT_FORMAT = "ddd d MMMM yyyy HH:mm"
16:02:58krux02well there is a dot before the Z
16:03:07krux02or should be
16:03:11krux02and why is it capital z
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16:03:34krux02what is capital Z in format?
16:09:03FromGitter<Varriount> Timezone?
16:10:45krux02demi-: are you using nimsuggest?
16:11:01krux02or are you doing default flycheck?
16:11:23koranzaas I understand it, the "dot" in the input is fractions of a second. removing the decimal places doesn't seem to make a difference
16:12:41koranzaand I believe a capital letter "Z" is shorthand for a timezone offset from UTC of 0
16:13:57koranzain javascript, when i print to console I get the desired outcome of printing 15hr instead of 20hr on a 24hr clock
16:13:59koranzaconsole.log(new Date("2017-07-11T20:20:06Z"));
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18:09:41krux02still somebody online?
18:12:29Araqyes
18:19:34krux02Araq: what do you think about my pull requests?
18:19:48krux02I still have two pull requests open where all tests pass
18:34:59dom96hi guys, how are things?
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18:36:26FromGitter<zacharycarter> o/ dom96
18:38:43dom96sup zacharycarter?
18:39:11FromGitter<zacharycarter> not much dom96, working on that Nim aws lambda project I got going last thursday
18:39:14FromGitter<zacharycarter> along with zengine
18:39:15FromGitter<zacharycarter> you?
18:39:36dom96reviewing my books index :)
18:39:42dom96Almost in print!
18:39:51dom96I can almost smell the pages...
18:40:29FromGitter<zacharycarter> YES!
18:41:07Araqkrux02: reading it again ...
18:43:42dom96also got together with federico3 last Saturday (we are both in Dublin now :)) and we worked on his Nimble package site.
18:44:17dom96I improved the frontend design and he worked on getting more info out of GitHub (and still is working on that).
18:44:32Araqcool, I have a prototype to get rid of forwarding requirements, kind of
18:47:37FromGitter<zacharycarter> awesome
18:49:34FromGitter<zacharycarter> I need to work more on aws lambda + Nim this week
18:49:56FromGitter<zacharycarter> might be able to start writing lambda jobs at Carfax in Nim soon
18:52:31krux02Araq: I am using macros a lot. Does the getting rid of worward requirements change the way macros are evaluated in any way?
18:52:54FromGitter<zacharycarter> someone linked to http://primitive.io/ at work - looks like the worst thing ever
18:53:10Araqkrux02: the idea is:
18:53:23Araq- sort the declartions by their dependency requirements
18:53:29Araq- proceed as before
18:53:52Araqso ... yeah, macros are affected but it's still predicatable
18:54:23Araqand code that works today will not be affected
18:54:59krux02with macros, the declarations are not yet known before macro evaluation
18:55:16Araqalso you can see the order via some switch --dumpReorderedAst
18:55:20krux02and befor macro evaluation some symbols might be required to be known
18:55:43krux02that is what I always liked in nim, that all symbols that were before the macro could be used in a typed macro
18:55:43Araqoh yeah I know, it sorts by their "superficial" dependencies
18:56:12Araqso you can trick it easily, but it covers 95% of the code out there, afaict
18:56:41krux02So I can still think of Nim like it was before?
18:56:56AraqI hope so, it's a research project
18:57:00Araqwe'll see.
18:57:14AraqI mean my .noforward idea is a research project
18:57:43krux02I am still a bit skeptical, not that I don't think it's cool, but I prefer to understand things than to have things that are convenient
18:58:07AraqI've seen it work for stuff like:
18:58:17Araqwhen defined(windows): proc foo = ...
18:58:24Araqwhen not declared(foo): proc foo = ...
18:58:35Araqso I'm quite optimistic it works out :-)
18:59:28krux02So when I am correct it is a trivial reorder preprocess?
19:00:31dom96Araq: Awesome. I'm still 100% behind this.
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19:00:40dom96Of course, time will tell how well it works :)
19:00:55Araqkrux02: yup, a preorder pass
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19:12:21krux02I hope it doesn't preorder the sideffects of macros
19:12:34krux02but yea when you release it, I will break it :P
19:13:03Araqkrux02: it only reorders top level declarations
19:13:11Araqbefore macro invocations
19:13:16Araqnothing else.
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19:33:09euantorOut of interest, what other things are you looking to pull from GitHub for the Nimble project site federico3/dom96? Are we eventually going to have an NPM/crates.io site that allows submitting the packages to it rather than just having a flat JSON file on GitHub?
19:33:29dom96that's the plan indeed
19:33:42euantorNice. Sounds good to me
19:33:45dom96federico3 wants package signatures of some sort as well
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19:34:03euantorYes, that would be great, so that versions can't be silently changed
19:35:08euantorLiking the simple issue of "Improve design and layout"
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19:49:12cremWhen compiling to js, are strings still of 8-bit chars? To which js data structure are they mapped?
19:49:33yglukhovcrem: yes, arrays of numbers
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19:51:21cremIs there anything mapped to javascript strings? cstring?
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19:53:20Araqcrem: yeah and it kinda sucks :-)
20:00:53cremyeah unicode support in general could be better. :-\ There's no "unicode string" objects anywhere in library, is there?
20:02:36PMunchcrem, well string is unicode
20:03:00cremNo it's not.
20:03:38cremI've just tried readLine(stdin) (windows) and returned string is in some single-byte encoding.
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20:07:40cremAlso while utf-8 is probably the best encoding for storage and data exchange, for string processing it's not that good. In python and go I believe they change the string on the fly, it's 1 byte per char while it's all ascii (possibly they even remap non-ascii ranges to keep it 1-byte) and then it's either 2 or 4.
20:08:05Araqyeah pretty sure Go doesn't do that
20:08:36cremah go is also utf-8
20:08:47cremyeah, now I remember.
20:09:09cremThen it's python for sure. :)
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20:11:40cremAre there plans of separating unicode strings from strings of bytes, making both first class citizens? :) I really like how it's done in python3.
20:12:08AraqI really hate Python3's way of doing things, so no.
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20:25:53PMunchcrem, Unicode is just a way of reading a string of bytes. They are not fundamentally different in how they are stored.
20:29:15cremyeah I know. It's just sometimes easier to manipulate them when they are in UTF-16 or UTF-32 that UTF-8. Actually it's not much of a problem indeed, just need to remember not to address characters by index, to use special iterator etc.
20:30:11cremIn sublime's nimlime, now to prevent it to spawn "nimlime" tab on every save? Turns out I have a habit to hit Ctrl+S a lot.
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20:58:22krux02crem: well the entire point of utf8 is that it is compatible with all ASCII libraries that don't treat characters in the range 128-255 at all.
20:58:49cremIs there more canonical way to pass a proc with bound parameters, than to create a closure function which calls that proc with parameters?
20:59:20krux02you want to do currying?
20:59:46krux02well there are several things you can do
20:59:54krux02one thing is a template
21:00:05cremYes. But I don't need partial application, full application is fine.
21:00:25krux02but you don't want to execute the function?
21:00:37cremcorrect
21:01:01krux02I don't think there is a canonical way of doing it
21:01:18krux02I even think it's a dangerous method of programming
21:01:47krux02I assume you don't want to execute the function before you pass it, because you want the side effects
21:02:12krux02and an anonymous function that has (side-)effects I consider as dangerous
21:02:31krux02Therefore I would give that function a name
21:02:47Araqcrem: default parameters?
21:03:01krux02proc do-something(): void = foo(arg1,arg2,arg3)
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21:03:53cremIt doesn't really matter whether it has a name or not. Default params... Probably won't work. I wanted to try a callback pattern.
21:04:16krux02well you can still do this
21:04:44krux02anonymous functions
21:04:59krux02proc(): void = f(arg1,arg2,arg2)
21:05:08krux02now you have bound arguments to f
21:05:41cremYes, that's what I said, classical closure would work. I just wanted to confirm there's no syntaxic sugar for that. nim seems to be pretty sweet language in terms of amount of sugar. :)
21:06:12krux02well I don't know of any std::bind equivalent
21:06:23krux02and even in c++ bind is something that afaik should not be used
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21:08:35dom96A curry proc is always welcome in the stdlib
21:12:00Araqfuture.nim has more sugar for anon procs
21:12:14Araq (a, b) => foo(2, a, 4, b)
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