| 00:01:16 | Varriount | The python stdlib is like that too. Hidden stuff galore. |
| 00:04:08 | Araq | the problem is that it supports lots of features i rarely need |
| 00:04:29 | Araq | so it's only bloat |
| 00:04:39 | Araq | pegs have the same problem |
| 00:04:47 | Varriount | Araq: But *you* aren't the only user of nimrod |
| 00:05:08 | Araq | compile-time parsing of these should reduce code-size |
| 00:05:29 | Varriount | And the only problem with pegs is that you can't make a fully fledged parser out of them. |
| 00:06:07 | Araq | Varriount: yeah of course. |
| 00:06:42 | Araq | yeah, I want a real parser generator instead |
| 00:11:05 | Araq | btw we need an equivalent to scanf |
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| 00:15:39 | Jehan_ | Varriount: PEGs can be used for parsing just fine, but you generally want to still separate out the lexical phase. |
| 00:16:46 | Jehan_ | That said, I've done an entire C parser in Lua's lpeg. :) |
| 00:17:50 | Araq | pff that's nothing |
| 00:18:03 | Araq | I've done a C++ parser in Nim :P |
| 00:18:34 | Jehan_ | I wasn't bragging, I was merely pointing out that PEGs are capable of handling non-trivial grammars, at least in principle. |
| 00:18:41 | Araq | it's interesting that C++ is not harder to parser than C in the context of c2nim |
| 00:19:13 | Araq | well ok, it's harder but not by much |
| 00:19:17 | Jehan_ | How do you resolve ambiguities for which you need semantic information? |
| 00:19:45 | Araq | iirc c2nim makes educated guesses |
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| 00:20:21 | Jehan_ | Heh. :) |
| 00:21:12 | Araq | it even parses List<List<int>> |
| 00:21:28 | Araq | note the missing whitespace between > and > |
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| 00:22:43 | Jehan_ | Yeah, I know. |
| 00:23:27 | Araq | Jehan_: it uses infinite lookahead with backtracking |
| 00:23:52 | Jehan_ | That's unavoidable for C++, I know. |
| 00:24:04 | Araq | C's casting syntax already requires that |
| 00:24:12 | Araq | when you have no symbol table |
| 00:24:15 | Jehan_ | The one good thing about C++'s design is that it considerably advanced parsing theory. :) |
| 00:24:53 | Araq | did it? I don't know. I didn't use parsing theory to implement it |
| 00:25:19 | Araq | reading and understanding these kind of papers takes longer than to come up with his own solution |
| 00:26:38 | Araq | "but what if the rule is epsilon...?" -- "I don't care, I rewrite the grammar" |
| 00:26:59 | Jehan_ | When C++ did this stuff, clock cycles weren't yet all that cheap. |
| 00:27:32 | Jehan_ | Anyhow, I need to be off. Good night! |
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| 00:53:00 | Araq | hi Antonia_Volkman welcome |
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| 01:29:42 | Onionhammer | are you people still awake? |
| 01:29:45 | Onionhammer | :-O |
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| 01:49:15 | Onionhammer | Araq you should add an 'else' for for loops, where if the loop has nothing to iterate over it executes that |
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| 02:18:36 | Discoloda | like python? |
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| 02:48:30 | Onionhammer | Discoloda apparently python's version is at the end of the loop |
| 02:48:34 | Onionhammer | but syntactically similar |
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| 02:48:48 | Onionhammer | it's a misnomer in python though i think |
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| 16:01:19 | flaviu1 | generic parameters don't work together with vars |
| 16:01:40 | flaviu1 | I have a method that requires a var T, but I have to annotate that explicitly. |
| 16:02:09 | flaviu1 | It might be a conscious decision, I dunno. Just mentioning it in case it's unintentional |
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| 17:21:59 | Araq | flaviu1: yeah it is not a bug |
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| 18:15:08 | Mat3 | hello |
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| 20:32:01 | Araq | hi Mat3 |
| 20:32:10 | Mat3 | hi Araq |
| 20:32:14 | Araq | quiet night :-) |
| 20:32:28 | Mat3 | yes |
| 20:32:57 | Mat3 | I have finished my code testing and work now on the C backend |
| 20:38:47 | Araq | nice |
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