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| 00:16:23 | Trioxin | Once I am an Ascened Nim Master (ANM), will I be able to easily wrap c/c++ even if I haven't used either of those languages since like 2001? |
| 00:16:51 | Trioxin | Ascended* |
| 00:17:40 | Araq | yes |
| 00:18:39 | Trioxin | kill my enemies with a single line of code? |
| 00:19:48 | Trixar_za | Unless you develop weapons or control the oxygen where they work, unlikely |
| 00:20:00 | Trioxin | If God runs my code. God will be CUT!!! |
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| 00:23:12 | Araq | Trioxin: you can try c2nim even before taking the 100 pills of Orichalcum |
| 00:25:53 | Trioxin | oh wow I didn't realize dist would make the executables a proper size. I read someone online whining about filesize. Obviously they weren't compilig optimized |
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| 00:29:28 | Trioxin | Rasa pedhang nim sandi! |
| 00:30:29 | Trixar_za | Araq: Wasn't that a translation error? |
| 00:31:20 | Trixar_za | Plato's tenfold error and all that |
| 00:31:25 | Araq | Trixar_za: that always bothered me. the tenfold mistake is very unlikely to occur for the freaking number 10 itself. |
| 00:32:10 | Araq | I mean ok, Indiana tries to trick the German Nazi scientists |
| 00:32:23 | Araq | but Nazi scientists should know better than that. |
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| 00:33:15 | Trixar_za | Well, considering what they should have learned from the first and third movie, I doubt it. |
| 00:33:27 | Araq | but if 10 pills make you a god, 100 make you super-god |
| 00:34:31 | Araq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLasbIeLjpk |
| 00:34:42 | Trixar_za | I think you had both a choice at the end and both had the same outcome (if you didn't talk yourself out of it) |
| 00:34:47 | Trixar_za | as* |
| 00:35:10 | Trixar_za | Incidentally, I had to ask someone how because I couldn't figure out I was supposed to trick him |
| 00:35:39 | Araq | it's a strange puzzle. |
| 00:36:01 | Araq | essentially you talk random stuff until the proper answers appear for tricking them |
| 00:36:44 | Trixar_za | Yeah - bit much for my 10 year old mind though. I got all the way to the end myself, but had to call a guy 7 years older than me to tell me how to beat it |
| 00:38:34 | Trixar_za | Still one of my favorites games though |
| 00:41:38 | Trixar_za | Remember the cheat key in fights? Insert? Worked on everybody except that one dude. I noticed it doesn't work in ScummVM. |
| 00:44:48 | Araq | i clicked as fast as i could instead |
| 00:46:31 | Trixar_za | I was terrible at them as a kid. I couldn't finish The Last Crusade because of it :/ |
| 00:57:55 | cheatfate | Araq, yay how it happens you break my code? :) |
| 00:58:32 | Araq | dunno why no other test triggered it but oh well |
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| 01:54:49 | Trioxin | Nim vs Golang... Annnnnd, defend your honor!!! |
| 01:56:31 | Trioxin | srsly tho anything come to mind? |
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| 01:58:43 | Trioxin | holy crap they have a lot more users than I thought |
| 01:59:00 | Trioxin | fracking google |
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| 02:31:11 | Trioxin | nobody thinks to put a yes/no dialog in these dialog packages |
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| 02:39:08 | Vendan | Trioxin, I came for the makeout party? |
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| 02:41:59 | jtremback__ | yea wtf |
| 02:42:19 | Vendan | ROFL |
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| 04:02:56 | Trioxin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48X4PeHxkNg |
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| 04:03:19 | Trioxin | that's the only nim video on all of youtube |
| 04:03:38 | Vendan | where's the makeout party? |
| 04:03:47 | Trioxin | lol |
| 04:04:27 | Trioxin | well, except of this one of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rJEBs_Nnaw |
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| 04:08:45 | Vendan | on a more serious note |
| 04:09:05 | Vendan | I've been interested in Nim for a while, but haven't had a chance to get into it much |
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| 04:09:32 | Vendan | I'm curious, how easy is it to write something on linux, and port it to windows? |
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| 06:45:09 | ftsf | Vendan, works for me |
| 06:45:17 | ftsf | I'm cross compiling from linux to windows |
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| 11:11:09 | hohlerde | vendan: it depends what you want to do on linux |
| 11:11:55 | hohlerde | vendan: if you're writing a daemon using forking that's not easily to port, as you're using very specific linux functionality |
| 11:13:04 | hohlerde | vendan: but when it comes to threads, async programming, stdio and almost all the other stuff the stdlib offers, you can pretty much compile it on both, windows and linux without any system specific changes |
| 11:13:37 | hohlerde | vendan: Nim is well prepared for cross platform development. |
| 11:16:05 | hohlerde | vendan: for instance the async stuff uses epoll on linux under the hood and afaik io ports on windows. |
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| 11:38:12 | Araq | dom96: can we automatically merge devel into master whenever travis is green? |
| 11:38:30 | Araq | I think it makes more sense to use 'devel' for development and master for 'stable' |
| 11:38:56 | Araq | master being stuck to the latest release doesn't make too much sense, does it? |
| 11:39:11 | dom96 | of course not |
| 11:39:19 | dom96 | IMO we should just remove master |
| 11:39:44 | dom96 | but that may be a problem for git |
| 11:39:51 | dom96 | anyway bbl |
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| 11:54:00 | ftsf | when defining an array constant, can I specify what the type it contains is? |
| 11:55:18 | Araq | const arr: array[5, int] = [3,2,1,4,5] |
| 11:55:26 | ftsf | ahh, without specifying the size |
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| 12:51:18 | FromGitter | <endragor> @Araq have you considered introducing a mode in which accessing nil refs/ptrs raises NilAccessError? |
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| 12:58:34 | Vendan | hohlerde, cool, sounds similar to go in that respect |
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| 13:18:03 | FromGitter | <Araq> @endragor yeah but static checking with defaulted 'not nil' annotations is likely superior |
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| 13:29:40 | FromGitter | <endragor> properly working `not nil` would help a lot, but (rarely?) there are still places where stuff can be nillable and you still can produce SIGSEGVs there. ⏎ NilAccessError would help to protect from bad user code in frameworks. For example, if I were an author of a web framework, I wouldn’t want user’s request handler to crash the whole server - I’d rather return 500 (internal error) response to the client in such case and continue |
| 13:29:40 | FromGitter | ... working normally. |
| 13:36:36 | FromGitter | <dom96> I agree. It's also a thing that people complain about a lot... But they will likely draw a comparison with Java once this is implemented. |
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| 13:48:25 | hohlerde | Vendan: If you think goroutines are cool take a look at Nim's spawn keyword |
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| 13:53:33 | federico3 | hohlerde: goroutines are dynamically mapped into threads |
| 13:54:59 | hohlerde | federico3: I know |
| 13:56:06 | hohlerde | federico3: I didn't say that spawn and go keywords have the same behaviour |
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| 14:28:15 | Araq | endragor: well you can always install a SIGSEV signal handler :P |
| 14:29:02 | Araq | and it's way cheaper than re-implementing the checks in software that the hardware performs anyway |
| 14:29:17 | flyx | why does this print „None“: https://gist.github.com/flyx/27fcf38724d36c227e4de5e24c12c861 |
| 14:30:33 | Araq | flyx: because typetraits.name deals with the static type within the macro which is 'typedesc' |
| 14:30:50 | Araq | which is actually internally typedesc[None] |
| 14:31:07 | Araq | and then the typedesc is skipped and it produces None |
| 14:31:30 | flyx | hmm okay. so how would I get the name of t in the macro? |
| 14:31:42 | Araq | with the getType() API. |
| 14:36:02 | flyx | yes, $getType(t)[1] works, thanks |
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| 14:51:57 | FromGitter | <endragor> @Araq yeah what I was suggesting is for Nim to setup the handler and convert it to exception |
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| 15:28:23 | Araq | endragor: we can do that, but it should be opt-in |
| 15:28:45 | Araq | we already have enough switches for "please Nim, don't generate ..." |
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| 15:30:43 | dom96 | why should it be opt-in? |
| 15:32:14 | Araq | we already have enough switches for "please Nim, don't generate ..." |
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| 15:37:46 | dom96 | That's not a good reason |
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| 15:40:21 | Trioxin | what does nim compile to for android? |
| 15:40:39 | Araq | Trioxin: C and C++? |
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| 15:40:54 | Trioxin | o |
| 15:41:14 | Trioxin | idk could have been some weird cordova thing |
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| 15:42:00 | Trioxin | so ios is objective c? |
| 15:43:26 | Trioxin | like no tutorials or packages |
| 15:44:42 | Trioxin | holy crap https://github.com/pragmagic/nimue4/find/master |
| 15:44:44 | FromGitter | <endragor> re nil access: I think the decision of whether it's opt-in or opt-out should be based on what the majority would use. Would the majority prefer their application to raise an exception or crash? I think needing to preserve SIGSEGV may occur only in some very low-level use cases, but I may not be seeing something. |
| 15:45:01 | Trioxin | oops |
| 15:45:03 | Trioxin | https://github.com/pragmagic/nimue4 |
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| 15:45:56 | Trioxin | everyone contribute to THAT github pls |
| 15:47:45 | FromGitter | <endragor> @Trioxin: yeah, thanks for the advertisement :) |
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| 15:48:00 | Trioxin | it's not mine. i just found it |
| 15:49:42 | FromGitter | <Tarmean> I'd prefer sum types over nil but that isn't gonna happen at this point so notNil is the next best thing |
| 15:50:39 | FromGitter | <Tarmean> At least the type signature tells you whether to check for nill instead of having to read api docs |
| 15:52:26 | dom96 | Nim's effect system could help here if we introduced a Nil exception |
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| 15:54:55 | FromGitter | <Tarmean> Wouldn't you also have to unwrap the nillable type when passing it into a not nillable function to make the types match? |
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| 15:57:05 | dom96 | actually, the compiler probably wouldn't be able to infer whether the NilException could be raised. |
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| 16:00:16 | FromGitter | <Tarmean> Well, it could infer one whenever a nillable type is derefed but that feels like a more roundabout was to encode it into the type system |
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| 17:43:45 | cjhanks | Hi, I am having issues importing C structs that have variables named after reserved Nim keywords. An example: http://pastebin.com/PEJvv4aM Is there a standard workaround for such cases? |
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| 17:50:24 | Araq | cjhanks: c2nim would have told ya. |
| 17:50:33 | Araq | put it in backticks |
| 17:50:40 | Araq | `if`: int |
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| 17:58:34 | cjhanks | Araq, thank you, this works. I have had a hard time using C2NIM on the `linux/in.h` header. It seems to choke on the interleaving of C enum's with #define statements. Perhaps I am using it incorrectly. |
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| 19:23:34 | cheatfate_ | Araq_, we got one more problem with bitfields |
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| 19:41:28 | Araq_ | cheatfate_: and that is? |
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| 19:53:03 | cheatfate_ | Araq_, maybe you already know magic place where to place `if field.bitness != 0` :) |
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| 19:53:31 | Araq_ | or maybe you explain the problem |
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| 19:56:56 | cheatfate_ | sorry, i though you have seen this https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/4827 |
| 20:00:54 | FromGitter | <dom96> damn, Freenode is really taking a hit today. |
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| 20:01:24 | Araq_ | *shrug* that's not supported |
| 20:02:22 | Araq_ | .bitsize is to interface with C, not to "save" no bits whatsoever because one doesn't understand alignment |
| 20:03:09 | Araq_ | or hardware addresses (hint: bits don't have an address, bytes do) |
| 20:04:02 | cheatfate_ | but i thought we must not generate `offsetof` for bitsized members |
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| 20:07:12 | Araq_ | no RTTI for case discriminators would be suicide |
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| 20:07:51 | Araq_ | just produce a nicer error message for this abomination |
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| 20:10:49 | cheatfate_ | ok then let it be, we need to talk about realloc bug, it `showstopper` |
| 20:13:32 | cheatfate_ | because in numbers it must allocated 20mb but in real it allocates 20gb |
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