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| 08:20:35 | gokr | Howdy all |
| 08:21:30 | * | gokr contemplating concurrency models... |
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| 09:00:26 | dom96 | hello gokr |
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| 09:06:26 | cheatfate | dom96, just to remember, i'm still waiting for your checks of tasynceverror.nim |
| 09:07:31 | dom96 | cheatfate: oh yeah, why do you want to remove it again? |
| 09:09:04 | cheatfate | if you see in comments there EPIPE must be generated, but current version of asyncdispatch generates EBADF |
| 09:10:03 | cheatfate | on BSD/MacOS this test not working properly because BSD network allow to send() to closed socket because of timeouts... |
| 09:10:21 | cheatfate | so its impossible to generate EPIPE |
| 09:10:58 | cheatfate | current version asyncdispatch not properly handles it and tries to add to kqueue empty handle so generates EBADF |
| 09:11:27 | dom96 | alright, remove it then. We have another test that tests the PR this is related to at least partially, tasyncconnect. |
| 09:11:41 | dom96 | This is the PR in case you're interested https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/2529 |
| 09:12:44 | cheatfate | This PR is also bad idea because kqueue can generate only EvError without EvRead and/or EvWrite |
| 09:13:24 | cheatfate | and we can't handle it |
| 09:17:17 | dom96 | I'm not sure I understand |
| 09:17:22 | dom96 | Why can't we handle it? |
| 09:18:17 | dom96 | I think it makes sense to handle errors in the underlying async procs |
| 09:24:29 | cheatfate | dom96, now we can handle errors only if {EvRead, EvError} or {EvWrite, EvError} received, what poll() can handle if {EvError} generated only? |
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| 09:26:52 | dom96 | okay, I get it now. |
| 09:27:05 | dom96 | What should happen if {EvError} is generated only? |
| 09:27:21 | dom96 | Whatever it is, I'm sure we can add logic to do it only for that case. |
| 09:28:09 | cheatfate | dom96, i think it must check if there readCB or writeCB and call all of cbs found... if there no cbs at all then generate error |
| 09:28:39 | dom96 | sure, sounds good. |
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| 10:23:27 | dom96 | hrm, so I'm benchmarking lwan (as it seems to be one of the fastest HTTP servers out there) on my MacBook, and I only get 31k req/s |
| 10:23:43 | dom96 | Which in comparison to this guy is significantly lower https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12274255 |
| 10:27:48 | Calinou | gotta like how people benchmark number of requests/s on their web servers |
| 10:27:53 | Calinou | yet they get like 100 hits a day :^) |
| 10:28:17 | dom96 | yep |
| 10:28:43 | dom96 | asynchttpserver gets 19k req/s on my machine |
| 10:28:54 | Calinou | did you try Caddy? |
| 10:29:02 | dom96 | no, what is it? |
| 10:29:04 | Calinou | https://caddyserver.com/ |
| 10:29:11 | cheatfate | dom96, how many cores your mac have? |
| 10:29:11 | Calinou | HTTP/2 server written in Go |
| 10:29:15 | Calinou | looks like it's great for static hosting |
| 10:29:32 | dom96 | cheatfate: I forced it to use a single thread |
| 10:29:51 | dom96 | According to this: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r12&hw=peak&test=json |
| 10:29:55 | dom96 | lwan is fastest for json |
| 10:30:53 | cheatfate | dom96, i think our json is not very fast |
| 10:31:22 | dom96 | I'm not testing json |
| 10:31:26 | dom96 | just plain text |
| 10:32:05 | dom96 | jester isn't in any of the techempower benchmarks anymore :\ |
| 10:34:30 | dom96 | this seems silly |
| 10:34:55 | dom96 | oh well |
| 10:35:07 | dom96 | Calinou: Made any new progress on the website? |
| 10:59:08 | FromGitter | <gogolxdong> what is correct way to express `if 1<sigfigs or sigfigs>5:echo "sigfigs must be [1,5] was"$sigfigs` |
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| 11:03:11 | dom96 | if 1<sigfigs or sigfigs>5:echo "sigfigs must be [1,5] was ", $sigfigs |
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| 11:14:36 | hohlerde | is there a way in nim to print the abstract syntax tree in human readable form? |
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| 11:18:07 | dom96 | hohlerde: toStrLit(node) |
| 11:18:16 | dom96 | or treeRepr(node) |
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| 11:26:41 | hohlerde | thx dom96, works |
| 11:29:43 | hohlerde | wow, this is pretty cool, haven't worked much with macros, only templates so far |
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| 11:42:41 | dom96 | yep, macros are awesome :) |
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| 11:52:02 | Calinou | dom96: nope :( had to work on university stuff instead |
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| 11:57:14 | miqlas-H | Hi Guys! |
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| 11:57:41 | miqlas-H | I'm trying to get Nim first-class citizen on Haiku. |
| 11:58:18 | miqlas-H | I built the last 3 revision on Haiku sucessfully, but no recipe made for automatic build |
| 12:03:24 | reactormonk | miqlas-H, with the linux compat layer, or native? |
| 12:03:51 | miqlas-H | I think we don't have linux compat layer. Do you mean POSIX? |
| 12:04:09 | reactormonk | yeah, sorry. |
| 12:04:35 | miqlas-H | We have freebsd compat layer, and yes, i use it. But it is nothing else, just some extra header files, activated with -D_BSD_SOURCE |
| 12:04:47 | miqlas-H | If i'm wrong, please, fixme. :) |
| 12:05:36 | miqlas-H | Last time i tried it worked really well, i has able to compile and run some sample codes. |
| 12:05:40 | dom96 | pretty sure that Nim has some support for Haiku natively. |
| 12:07:29 | miqlas-H | dom96, what "native" is? Ofc, there is some preliminary supporting code for building on Haiku, but it is just in the supporting codes (scripts and so on). For building on Haiku i use the vanilla sources |
| 12:07:31 | dom96 | cheatfate: your tupcoming_async test is very unreliable, still getting false negatives on it. |
| 12:08:03 | dom96 | By "native" I mean that it doesn't use any compatibility layers |
| 12:08:59 | ftsf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDop4JELAhc |
| 12:13:05 | miqlas-H | nim tries to link koch with -ldl on Haiku, but we don't have -ldl. Where is it defined? I just grepped the whole source tree, no occurences. |
| 12:20:26 | miqlas-H | it compiled sucessfully without -ldl, but i don't see, where it gets the -ldl |
| 12:21:32 | miqlas-H | Any idea? |
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| 12:24:20 | cheatfate | dom96, problems with time measuring? |
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| 12:24:32 | dom96 | cheatfate: looks like it |
| 12:24:43 | cheatfate | i will disable timecheck then |
| 12:26:53 | miqlas-H | ok, it comes from nim.cfg |
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| 12:52:35 | miqlas-H | Ok, i sent my pull requests for Haiku support. |
| 12:52:41 | miqlas-H | I hope it is okay. |
| 12:53:00 | dom96 | miqlas-H: Thanks! :) |
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| 13:06:16 | cheatfate | miqlas-H, if you dont have ldl then maybe you can't run 50% of nim's stuff |
| 13:07:01 | miqlas-H | cheatfate: we have dl function, but not in -ldl. |
| 13:07:30 | miqlas-H | It is in -lroot, and it is implicitly linked to everything. |
| 13:07:47 | cheatfate | miqlas-H, what type of executables uses haiku? |
| 13:09:02 | miqlas-H | ELF |
| 13:09:25 | miqlas-H | is it an answer for your question? |
| 13:10:14 | cheatfate | yep |
| 13:10:27 | miqlas-H | i sent a PR for csources too. It is also required to get it compiled on Haiku. |
| 13:10:58 | miqlas-H | koch buit without problems on Haiku with this patches. I think it is a good proof. |
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| 13:12:00 | miqlas-H | http://chunk.io/f/1485a274ff5940a89472ce0ddb071aca |
| 13:12:07 | miqlas-H | It is a screenshot |
| 13:13:14 | miqlas-H | Yeeee, haiku screenshot, frickin awesome, you just got the feeling, that you should download ad install it. |
| 13:13:24 | miqlas-H | Have no fear, it is normal. |
| 13:13:49 | miqlas-H | Everybody feels the same as looking at a Haiku screenshot at first time. |
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| 13:21:25 | cheatfate | miqlas-H, i have seen BeOS :) |
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| 13:26:31 | miqlas-H | Guys, is there any GUI toolkit, what we can use with Nim? |
| 13:27:38 | gokr | miqlas-H: There are several. Aporia uses Gtk2, there is also a Gtk3 wrapper, and a wx wrapper that I am not sure anyone uses. And then there is also a libui wrapper which I actually use a teeny bit. |
| 13:27:51 | gokr | And there is also ... Qt stuff. |
| 13:28:20 | miqlas-H | Qt is okay, because we don't have any GTK. |
| 13:28:34 | gokr | IMHO the libui wrapper is nice, since it maps to native on all supported backends. |
| 13:29:02 | miqlas-H | I need to go Guys, i talk to you later |
| 13:29:04 | miqlas-H | Bye |
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| 17:42:33 | dom96 | Araq_: Is there a blacklist to prevent the tester from compiling certain modules in lib/pure/? |
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| 18:38:08 | Araq_ | dom96: no but you can move modules into lib/upcoming or something |
| 18:41:20 | dom96 | or implement a blacklist ;) |
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| 18:47:17 | cheatfate | is Nim has construction which follows semantic of C's 'switch()` but with access to more then one case? |
| 18:47:47 | cheatfate | i mean in switch() i must `break` after case |
| 18:47:55 | cheatfate | or all cases will be performed |
| 18:48:09 | Araq_ | yeah, there is no such concept in Nim |
| 18:48:34 | Araq_ | it's just a fancy if-elif-elif with a full coverage check |
| 18:54:03 | cheatfate | ok thanks |
| 18:54:23 | dom96 | So it looks like the C source tarballs will only include the install_nimble script instead of actual Nimble sources. |
| 18:54:27 | dom96 | What do you guys think of this? |
| 18:56:24 | Araq_ | I think the "official source based way to install" Nim needs to be "run these instructions and add dir to PATH" |
| 18:56:38 | Araq_ | because then nimsuggest, nimble, nim work out of the box |
| 18:57:09 | Araq_ | and the non-source based installation is "use your OS'es package manager" |
| 18:59:02 | federico3 | dom96: install_nimble is runnig git clone from GH. A source tarball should contain everything needed to build and be able to build without network access. |
| 18:59:12 | libman | There's always the Super Secret Secret Goto Pragma. ;) |
| 19:00:47 | dom96 | federico3: Agreed. But can you give a practical reason why that is important? |
| 19:02:08 | Araq_ | ah I didn't seee the obvious solution |
| 19:02:24 | Araq_ | ship Nimble as *Nim* source code in the tarball, not as generated C |
| 19:02:36 | dom96 | omg lol |
| 19:02:43 | Araq_ | :P |
| 19:02:54 | dom96 | So you're happy with that? |
| 19:03:03 | federico3 | dom96: without that, there would be no way to guarantee that the same sources can build the same application (on different architectures, at different times) |
| 19:03:20 | dom96 | Glad I suggested we discuss this here instead of over PM :P |
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| 19:09:21 | federico3 | dom96: and apart from the pratical and security problems, various licenses require people that provide binary packages to make sources available. If a build script downloads even only a little script that is not part of the source packages, the distribution might end up in violation of the license (especially when the upstream repo disappears) |
| 19:11:32 | dom96 | Thanks, those are very good reasons. |
| 19:14:01 | Calinou | gokr: libui maps to GTK+3 on Linux, not Xlib |
| 19:14:41 | Araq_ | dom96: yeah sure |
| 19:18:53 | dom96 | okay, great. |
| 19:26:36 | dom96 | Araq_: Have you seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/nim/comments/547inw/why_wasnt_nim_optimized_for_code_reading/ |
| 19:28:49 | Araq_ | skimmed it |
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| 19:31:15 | cheatfate | Araq_, could we mark realloc bug as `showstopper`? |
| 19:31:38 | euantor | The whole `result` argument makes little sense to me |
| 19:32:01 | euantor | You'd be assigning the array to a variable anyway, Nom just has a convention to make that more obvious |
| 19:32:41 | euantor | Otherwise he'd be doing `var foo = bar` and `return foot` |
| 19:32:51 | euantor | *foo |
| 19:32:56 | Araq_ | cheatfate: no because we don't want to delay the release any further |
| 19:33:07 | Araq_ | but yeah, it's a pretty weird bug |
| 19:40:39 | cheatfate | its a very weird bug |
| 19:41:10 | cheatfate | and i think fixing this bug can fix many issues about leaks |
| 19:44:00 | Araq_ | I doubt it |
| 19:44:26 | Araq_ | at the end of the day it's just a stupid snippet allocating ever bigger blocks of memory |
| 19:44:43 | Araq_ | so yeah, it fails too early with out of mem |
| 19:44:58 | Araq_ | but the allocation pattern is just absurd |
| 19:49:10 | cheatfate | Araq_, but for what reason this memory manager allocates 20GB of ram? |
| 20:00:39 | libman | >wow< |
| 20:03:05 | Araq_ | cheatfate: address fragmentation |
| 20:03:12 | Araq_ | still my bet. |
| 20:03:28 | Araq_ | it works better when you disable the "return mem back to OS" feature |
| 20:03:39 | Araq_ | but as I said, I'm still investigating |
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| 20:12:15 | cheatfate | Araq_, one more question about arrays, with --verbosity:2 i got every time warnings about uninitialized arrays, is it possible to initialize array properly? |
| 20:18:23 | krux02 | I get weired error messages in my code |
| 20:18:27 | krux02 | tensormath.nim(222, 13) Error: cannot instantiate Tensor |
| 20:18:27 | krux02 | got: (Dimensions) |
| 20:18:27 | krux02 | but expected: (Dimensions) |
| 20:19:40 | krux02 | the type tensor has a static value Dimensions that must be set on declaration so the tensor size is statically known |
| 20:23:29 | krux02 | ok thanks I did some rubber duck debugging with you ;D |
| 20:29:44 | dom96 | krux02: that deserves a bug report, the error message needs to improve. |
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| 20:34:20 | Araq_ | hi planhths welcome |
| 20:34:35 | planhths | hello Araq_!! |
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| 20:44:58 | krux02 | dom96: yes but it is kind of hard to isolate the bug, I have a macro that creates a macro call that creates a type expression |
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| 20:46:29 | krux02 | I realized that static doesn't work stable with any dynamically sized value type, so I faked a dynamically sized array but making everything the same constant length plus a length value in an object |
| 20:47:19 | krux02 | object( N: int, dimensions: array[16, int]) |
| 20:47:52 | krux02 | but that thing is not nice to construct as type parameter, so I have a macro that does that |
| 20:48:00 | krux02 | but aparently there is something not nice in there |
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| 21:18:40 | krux02 | I have a question, I have a case where the ast passed to a typed macro still has some macro calls in the argument ast. Could this be intentional or is it a bug? |
| 21:26:48 | Araq_ | intentional |
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| 21:34:18 | krux02 | ok, thanks |
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