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02:38:17ftsf_hmm should foreign thread functions be marked with {.thread.} ?
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03:55:00FromGitter<gogolxdong> How to return ptr object with constructor?
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04:12:01FromGitter<endragor> @ftsf_: if you want to call it from Nim, make Nim `{.thread.}` proc and call it from there, wrap it as usual (without `{.thread.}`)
04:22:46ftsf_endragor, So the C library (SDL2) registers a callback which it calls from another thread. The callback is a nim proc in this case, but i'm not sure whether it should have {.thread.} or not
04:24:32FromGitter<endragor> it shouldn’t, but it should call `setupForeignThreadGc()` at the beginning
04:25:13ftsf_yep, i am calling that (when I can, not supported where I have to use tlsEmulation:on)
04:25:25ftsf_when tlsEmulation is on I get crashes D:
04:25:34ftsf_not sure how to avoid that
04:25:40ftsf_thanks though!
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06:49:35ftsf_anyone successfully using nim SDL2 with audio on OSX?
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07:09:04FromGitter<gogolxdong> like `result=ptr Histogram( ⏎ lowestTrackableValue:minValue, ⏎ highestTrackableValue:maxValue, ⏎ unitMagnitude:unitMagnitude.int64, ⏎ significantFigures:sigfigs.int64, ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8c990ea1b6b1a6c6a1c24]
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07:09:49FromGitter<gogolxdong> like ``` ⏎ result=ptr Histogram( ⏎ lowestTrackableValue:minValue, ⏎ highestTrackableValue:maxValue, ⏎ unitMagnitude:unitMagnitude.int64, ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8c9bdea1b6b1a6c6a1c6f]
07:10:14FromGitter<gogolxdong> like
07:10:29FromGitter<gogolxdong> like```
07:11:00FromGitter<gogolxdong> like ``` ⏎ result=ptr Histogram( ⏎ lowestTrackableValue:minValue, ⏎ highestTrackableValue:maxValue, ⏎ unitMagnitude:unitMagnitude.int64, ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8ca04ab9ba81255e3b155]
07:11:46FromGitter<gogolxdong> like ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8ca32857ab70f7d401c55]
07:13:20ftsf_gogolxdong, that comes across very ugly in irc
07:13:33FromGitter<endragor> ```result = cast[ptr Histogram](alloc0(sizeof(Histogram))) ⏎ result[] = Histogram(…)``` ⏎ make sure `dealloc()` is called somewhere [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8ca9d783fe9b94598f806]
07:18:50FromGitter<gogolxdong> @FromIRC sorry,I didn't know that,how can I make it better across?
07:19:11ftsf_use a gist or something?
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07:19:44FromGitter<gogolxdong> @endragor thanks
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07:30:29Trioxincan I get a key out of a for loop or do I have to declare one outiside the statement?
07:31:35ftsf_Trioxin, what do you mean by a key?
07:32:34Trioxinsome langs you can define a key for for and foreach loops so on each iteration you have a variable indicating the number of iterations
07:32:45ftsf_oh right, yes you can do that
07:32:50ftsf_for i,v in foo:
07:32:58Trioxinthx
07:32:59ftsf_or for i,v in mpairs(foo):
07:38:56Trioxinis "lines" a reserved word for iterating through a file?
07:39:46ftsf_Trioxin, i don't think it's reserved
07:39:46Trioxinftsf_, I can't do it when iterating through a file like this: for cfgI,cfgLine in cfgLines "config.txt": and if I change cfgLines to lines I get "wrong number of variables"
07:40:16ftsf_lines is an iterator, the iterator has to support returning the second variable for the index
07:41:29Trioxinso it is reserved. because I don't have to declare lines
07:41:53ftsf_no it's just defined in a library
07:42:00ftsf_that you're importing
07:42:15ftsf_you could define your own lines that does what you want
07:42:47FromGitter<endragor> it’s in system module that is imported automatically
07:43:37FromGitter<MiniDude22> Hey guys any idea what I'm doing wrong trying to import the function GetWindowText?
07:43:40FromGitter<MiniDude22> proc getWindowText*(hWnd: Handle, lpString: cstring, nMaxCount: int): int {. ⏎ stdcall, importc: "GetWindowText", dynlib: "user32".}
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07:58:36FromGitter<Araq> @MiniDude22 maybe its importc: "GetWindowTextA"
07:59:18FromGitter<MiniDude22> You're right! I did get it to load it right with that, but calling it, i'm unable to print the result
07:59:51FromGitter<MiniDude22> ```var title: cstring ⏎ echo getWindowTextA( handle, addr(title), 256 ) ⏎ echo title.len``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8d577ea1b6b1a6c6a48f1]
08:00:12FromGitter<MiniDude22> It gives me a SIGSEV
08:00:28FromGitter<MiniDude22> but getWindowTextA is printing out 23 for the length
08:00:38FromGitter<endragor> that’s because `title` buffer is not initialized (allocated)
08:01:39FromGitter<MiniDude22> Hrm. Okay how do you do that? *facepalm*
08:03:06FromGitter<Araq> var title: array[256, char]
08:03:25FromGitter<Araq> getWindowText(handle, title, title.len)
08:03:48FromGitter<Araq> or sizeof(title)
08:04:05FromGitter<MiniDude22> So then I need to change the import to work with the array right?
08:04:20FromGitter<Araq> no
08:04:38FromGitter<Araq> cstring is ok
08:05:08FromGitter<MiniDude22> gives me a type mismatch though :/
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08:08:36FromGitter<Araq> array of char is convertible to cstring
08:08:41FromGitter<Araq> don't use 'addr' here
08:09:58FromGitter<MiniDude22> Oh okay. So i got rid of add, and using ptr cstring in the import.
08:10:12FromGitter<MiniDude22> Sorry I'm new to this! Thank you for the help!
08:12:11FromGitter<MiniDude22> It seems to be working now!
08:13:10FromGitter<endragor> your wrapper was fine, you did something wrong in the end :)
08:13:56FromGitter<MiniDude22> I had changed it from what I'd sent earlier to try and make it work, so I needed to revert it for it to work with the char array. Thanks for the help guys!
08:15:45cheatfateAraq_, what is problem here? https://gist.github.com/cheatfate/563e2f83a9bcdf018b2aece510151781
08:17:10FromGitter<endragor> didn’t you mean `and 0b11`? Te’s length is 4, not 256
08:20:12cheatfateendragor: its stripped example Te in real has 256 elements
08:20:33cheatfatebut error still same
08:20:41FromGitter<endragor> what’s the error?
08:21:04cheatfatesorry forgot to add comment refresh please
08:21:54cheatfateAraq_, or this error happens because array indices must be signed integers?
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08:23:47FromGitter<endragor> `int` is incompatible with `uint32`. declaring Te this way in your sample works: `Te: array[0'u32..3'u32, int] = [1, 2, 3, 4]`
08:25:08flyxarray indices must be Ordinals, as the error message says: proc `[]`[I: Ordinal, T](a: T; i: I): T
08:25:20flyxuints are not part of Ordinal
08:27:24FromGitter<endragor> type of array index is a part of array type defintion
08:28:26wgf_on my Linux system, it compiles without errors, cheatfate
08:29:43cheatfateendragor, thanks
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08:35:14FromGitter<endragor> @wgf_ I guess your system is 32-bit? I think it’s a bug that Nim type-checking depends on arch
08:36:07FromGitter<endragor> I was surprised by that, too, some time in the past
08:38:31wgf_no, using version 0.14.2 on Linux-64
08:39:03FromGitter<endragor> then maybe it’s some recent changes related to unsigned types
08:40:16wgf_yep
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08:47:21FromGitter<gogolxdong> can I access to a ptr object's method like `hdr.byteSize()` which is initialized through `result[]=Historgram(...)`
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08:48:25FromGitter<endragor> `hdr[].byteSize()`. or enable `—experimental`, then `hdr.byteSize()` will work.
08:49:40FromGitter<gogolxdong> helpful
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09:06:07FromGitter<gogolxdong> How to assign a dynamic array to its field in the object constructor ?
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09:14:56FromGitter<gogolxdong> ` counts:newSeq[int64](0)` `(Attempt to read from nil?)`
09:15:41FromGitter<gogolxdong> `var hdr =new(1,1000,5) ⏎ echo hdr[].byteSize()`
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09:34:57FromGitter<Araq> replace the : by =
09:35:11FromGitter<Araq> counts=newSeq[int64](0)
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09:36:44FromGitter<gogolxdong> ok
09:38:24FromGitter<gogolxdong> Is this new feature ?I didn't see from manual
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09:41:33FromGitter<gogolxdong> I mean counts:newSeq[int64](0) is the assignment in object constructor
09:41:58FromGitter<gogolxdong> `counts:newSeq[int64](0)`
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09:45:11FromGitter<Araq> oh it's in an object constr, then the : was right :P and the problem is somewhere else
09:45:12Trioxinwhy would my program be sending "@[@[a, b, c, ]]" to the console even if I put quit() in the beginning of the program?
09:45:36FromGitter<Araq> trixoin because the modules you import produce this output
09:45:48FromGitter<Araq> use 'when isMainModule' in your imports
09:45:57FromGitter<Araq> but you asked about this before iirc
09:46:10Trioxinaraq, never did
09:46:13flyxgogolxdong: `counts: @[]` is shorter, but does the same thing.
09:46:44FromGitter<MiniDude22> Hey guys sorry for being such a bother. but am I using the callback enum right?
09:46:52FromGitter<MiniDude22> nim```proc enumWindows(lpEnumFunc: proc(handle: Handle, data: ptr DWORD): bool, lp: ptr DWORD): bool {. ⏎ stdcall, importc: "EnumWindows", dynlib: "user32".} ⏎ ⏎ type ⏎ window_data = ref object ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8ee8cea1b6b1a6c6aa8fb]
09:47:16FromGitter<MiniDude22> crap...
09:47:34FromGitter<MiniDude22> > ```nim ⏎ proc enumWindows(lpEnumFunc: proc(handle: Handle, data: ptr DWORD): bool, lp: ptr DWORD): bool {. ⏎ stdcall, importc: "EnumWindows", dynlib: "user32".} ⏎ ⏎ type ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e8eeb6ea1b6b1a6c6aa970]
09:47:52FromGitter<MiniDude22> Eff me i cant get it to look like code...
09:49:24FromGitter<MiniDude22> Here?
09:49:25FromGitter<MiniDude22> https://gist.github.com/MiniDude22/5dc5e92147e9a403440d2dc184363611
09:49:52Trioxinaraq, what do you mean use when isMainModule: in my imports? Meaning I need to find where this is being sent to the console in the module source and run that check?
09:51:32Trioxinyeah that has to be it. at least I quickly found the offending module. it's csv. meh
09:53:42Trioxinoic.. there's an example at the end of the module that echos the return of a proc
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09:54:34flyxMiniDude22: I think lpEnumFunc needs {.stdcall.}
09:55:23flyxsince it is declared as CALLBACK, which is identical to __stdcall: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms633498(v=vs.85).aspx
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09:59:30Trioxinthank goodness commandLineParams() recognizes quoted arguments
10:00:23Trioxinparses them nicely rather
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10:04:19FromGitter<MiniDude22> @flyx Wow that was it! Thank you so much. I wouldn't have even looked at that. Dang so much to learn still!
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10:49:41Trioxinis there a proc I can use to read a specific line from a file with 1 call without iterating over each line?
10:58:38flyxTrioxin: how would you know where the line starts if you do not read the previous lines?
10:59:42flyxTrioxin: this can only work if all lines have an exact, specified width.
10:59:56flyx(length would be the better term)
11:01:12Trioxinwell, I should have said something more along the lines of taking each line into something like a numbered array. I suppose I can do that.
11:03:51euantorTrioxin: In which case you can use `sequtils.toSeq(lines(...))` if you import `sequtils`
11:03:59euantorhttp://nim-lang.org/docs/sequtils.html#toSeq.t,expr
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11:08:15FromGitter<MiniDude22> how would you turn a char array into a string?
11:08:50euantorMiniDude22: Have you tried casting it?
11:09:42euantor`cast[string](x)`
11:11:12flyxum, casting would be really bad. try converting it instead: `string(x)`
11:11:31cheatfatejust make `$`
11:11:37euantorflyx: Any reason why out of interest?
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11:12:21flyxeuantor: because a cast is a reinterpretation of the same data structure as a different type, while a conversion may actually change the data representation
11:12:49euantorflyx: Ah, thanks!
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11:22:21FromGitter<gogolxdong> Can ptr and manage memory manually avoid gc and result in better performance?
11:24:27FromGitter<gogolxdong> How to evaluate GC in modern programming languages? Does it matter in real-time application?
11:30:06flyxthe standard approach for real-time applications to GC is „don't“.
11:30:31flyxas is the standard approach to heap memory.
11:32:58FromGitter<endragor> depends on what kind of app you’re making. Nim’s GC is based on reference counting and is very lightweight unless you have referential cycles in your data structures. You can control how much time exactly GC step may take for soft-realtime apps: http://nim-lang.org/docs/gc.html ⏎ ⏎ if it’s hard-realtime, then no GC, as @flyx said. in soft realtime you should be fine with a program structure like this: ⏎ ```code paste, see
11:32:58FromGitter... link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e9076a857ab70f7d40f7ea]
11:36:32FromGitter<gogolxdong> manually management is the underlying of GC and makes you better understand about GC,right?
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12:08:46FromGitter<gogolxdong> There are some procs in math.nim are just lowercase of Go funcs in the same name module, it's kind of convinient. pow,log2,trunc etc.
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12:22:20FromGitter<gogolxdong> What are bit operators of Nim ,I found `shr`,`shl`,`xor`. what about bit and ,bit or?
12:22:44FromGitter<endragor> `and`, `or`
12:23:00FromGitter<gogolxdong> oops
12:24:34FromGitter<gogolxdong> I thought they are logical operators.
12:26:10FromGitter<endragor> both
12:35:24FromGitter<gogolxdong> tricky
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13:20:56FromGitter<gogolxdong> Is the dependent routine prior to the call routine,or else`attempting to call undeclared routine`
13:28:03FromGitter<gogolxdong> or `undeclared identifier`
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13:36:43FromGitter<gogolxdong> Is `x>>=16` identified with `x=x shr 16` or else?
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13:39:11flyxgogolxdong: there is no operator `>>=` in the stdlib afaik
13:41:23FromGitter<gogolxdong> `Error: 'x' cannot be assigned to`
13:42:56FromGitter<gogolxdong> upside down ,should be Is `x=x shr 16`or else identified with `x>>=16` ?
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14:01:11FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```while x >= 0x8000 : ⏎ x =x shr 16``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e92a27009614165519a78f]
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14:05:03flyxgogolxdong: the error message you posted has nothing to do with the code you posted.
14:08:30flyxgogolxdong: you probably declared x with `let` instead of `var`
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14:35:06FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e9321aca69aeb745b05148]
14:39:00flyxgogolxdong: yeah, `x` is not declared as `var` parameter, therefore, you cannot assign to it.
14:39:35FromGitter<gogolxdong> :0
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14:41:03flyxtry `var tmp = x` at start and use tmp instead of x
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14:41:46FromGitter<gogolxdong> what is the first parameter should be in this context? if it doesn't need.
14:42:40FromGitter<gogolxdong> it can't assign to the first parameter?
14:42:55flyxgogolxdong: you cannot assign to any by-value parameter.
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14:44:11flyxgogolxdong: also, you are using an undeclared variable `n`
14:44:32flyxjust start with `result = 0` and increment it directly
14:45:26FromGitter<gogolxdong> yeah,I see,it's a mess
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14:45:59FromGitter<gogolxdong> good advice
14:50:50FromGitter<aboisvert> ihttrtrnfktbhkcjhutjfduuvgngfbtebvnedtdktutv
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14:52:54FromGitter<gogolxdong> at the last line ⏎ ```Error: ')' expected``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=57e93646783fe9b9459a9683]
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14:55:28FromGitter<aboisvert> @gogolxdong make sure your parenthesis are balanced, a matching `)` for every `(`
14:57:05FromGitter<gogolxdong> could it be some previous unmatched parenthesises?
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14:57:34FromGitter<aboisvert> yes, most likely
14:57:35FromGitter<gogolxdong> parentheses
15:00:10FromGitter<gogolxdong> here is a `proc totalCount(h: Histogram): int64 =h.totalCount` ,will it go into recursion?
15:01:28FromGitter<gogolxdong> or is compiler smart enough to distinguish ?
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15:05:52FromGitter<aboisvert> it isn't about the compiler being "smart enough", it's about lexical rules
15:06:31FromGitter<aboisvert> assuming `Histogram` is object type with a field name `totalCount`, then yes it will prioritize the field rather than a proc invocation
15:06:50FromGitter<aboisvert> i.e., it will not make a recursive call
15:07:26FromGitter<gogolxdong> fine,then it's subtle.
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15:13:12FromGitter<gogolxdong> blind to find unmatched parentheses
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15:42:50FromGitter<gogolxdong> `proc getBucketIndex(h :Histogram,v: int64): int32 = bitLen(v or h.subBucketMask) - h.unitMagnitude -h.subBucketHalfCountMagnitude+1`
15:43:19FromGitter<gogolxdong> `Error: identifier expected, but found 'bitLen(v or h.subBucketMask) - h.unitMagnitude'`
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15:54:17FromGitter<gogolxdong> I think it's relative to `bitLen()`
15:57:28flyxgogolxdong: add a space between `-` and `h.subBucketHalfCountMagnitude`
15:57:49flyxotherwise it is parsed as `-`(h.subBucketHalfCountMagnitude)
15:58:25flyx`-` is both a prefix and an infix operator, and spacing determines which is used
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16:02:14FromGitter<gogolxdong> sharp eyed
16:04:48flyxthis could definitely need a better error message
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16:44:21flyxcan someone explain the difference between getTypeInst and getTypeImpl?
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17:27:27Araq_flyx: type TypeInst = TypeImpl
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17:45:09flyxah okay
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17:55:13flyxI have a strange error here: https://gist.github.com/flyx/2f1b12a944615c0c65ee0d1903a3eea9
17:55:40flyxit complains that (int) does not match any of yamlTagUri, but there is yamlTagUri(typedesc[int]), which matches, and it is even listed.
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19:24:24flyxhmm, I will report this as bug since I do not see an error in my code.
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19:41:17kulelu88odd question: what type of program can I write that can test the raw speed of Nim?
19:43:34Calinoukulelu88: I've done a Fibonacci benchmark
19:43:43Calinouhttps://github.com/Calinou/benchmarks
19:46:44flyxkulelu88: first, try to find a definition of the „raw speed of Nim“. what is it? speed of I/O-heavy code? of algorithmic code? of multi-threading code? networking? there might be quite different results in each of those fields.
19:47:43flyxkulelu88: if you want to compare it against other programming languages, find something with a clear specification and an implementation in other languages, and then implement it in Nim.
19:49:04kulelu88flyx: not really wanting to compare Nim against X. I am just looking for a problem where compiled code can crunch said-problem really fast (as compared to interpreted code)
19:49:06flyxkulelu88: for example, I have some benchmarks for NimYAML, because YAML has an (arguably) clear specification, and therefore, comparing it against libyaml and other implementations yields meaningful results.
19:49:37flyxkulelu88: code is hardly interpreted anywhere nowadays
19:50:05kulelu88hardly? Python? Ruby? Node?
19:50:34flyxPython compiles to .pyc files. Node does JIT Compilation. Ruby, dunno
19:50:55flyxhell, even PHP does not interpret anymore since, I think, PHP 4
19:51:35Calinou.pyc does not really speed up code execution
19:51:40Calinouflyx: PHP is JIT? that's news to me
19:51:53zielmicha[m]Python and Ruby "default" interpreters are, well, interpreters. Python still interprets .pyc.
19:52:35flyxCalinou: HHVM is a PHP JIT engine. the reference parser just produces bytecode ahead of time afair
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19:53:54flyxzielmicha[m]: that's not interpreting. then Java would also be an interpreted language
19:54:39zielmicha[m]Yes, it would be. Most Java VMs JIT-compile .class files into machine code.
19:55:03flyxwell, that is a discussion of terminology and does not lead anywhere
19:55:49flyxinterpreting is reading and executing *source code* line-by-line according to the definition I am familiar with.
19:56:04kulelu88back to my question. Would a difficult mathematical problem be a good option?
19:56:43kulelu88flyx: semantics?
19:58:13flyxkulelu88: I do not really understand what your goal is. if you do not want to compare Nim against anything else, then any numbers you would get would be rather meaningless
19:58:22flyxkulelu88: unless you want to show „I can solve this problem in x time with Nim“
19:58:42kulelu88flyx: I believe you have found my purpose :)
19:58:45ldleworkThe best thing you can do show how Nim is useful, is to write libraries.
19:59:22ldleworkblog posts just momentarilly impress the reader
19:59:25ldleworklibraries open doors
20:00:28flyxkulelu88: yeah but if you want to show that, the problem is a required input. if you want to show that you can solve an arbitrary problem in some time x, that information is of very little use
20:00:56kulelu88which is why I asked with this tag at the start: "odd question:"
20:01:27flyxyeah, well. your task is so oddly unspecific that you can take any problem.
20:02:36flyxbecause since there are no goals defined about what you want to show, there is no „good“ or „bad“ problem to tackle
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21:34:20libmanNim's nimble is 85.556% copyfree, Lua rocks is 85.445% copyfree... Sooo close!!!
21:34:43ldleworklibman: what is the liscencing preventing you from working on
21:36:21libmanThat's like asking Richard Stallman why can't he just use Windows. :P
21:36:47Araq_if foo.baz < 0 // typo: bar meant here.
21:37:10ldleworklibman: ah so just religion, nothing practical at stake
21:37:14Araq_Lua: turns foo.baz into 'nil', compares it against 0, resulting in false
21:37:26Araq_Nim: reports your typo.
21:37:30libmanAccording to my automated analysis, there are 59 GPL projects in Nimble, 35 Apache, 23 LGPL, 6 Eclipse license, 4 artistic, 3 zlib ... 38 without a clear license, and 13 "other". Help Nim retain first place by switching to a license like MIT or BSD. :)
21:38:03Araq_it's just no comparison. and libraries cannot patch over a non-existing type system.
21:38:22Araq_for the same reason JavaScript will always suck btw.
21:38:25libmanldlework: yes, that "just religion" statement is 99% correct.
21:38:32ldleworkok
21:39:41libmanUsing AL2 or even GPL is not going to kill anybody. But it's an ideological line in the sand about the definition of "Free Software".
21:41:50libmanLet's say there are 1000 programmers in the world (our of many millions) who care about what I'm talking about. Someday there may be more. For an upstart language like Nim, at this early stage, appealing to these programmers would increase its support by a noteworthy percentage.
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21:43:59Araq_well we already have 1 out of these 1000 and we enjoy your support. more support of yours, we would enjoy more.
21:44:16libmanI haven't done anything for Nim yet. But someday I will.
21:45:16libmanI haven't even decided if Nim is the language I wanna specialize in. Go is a very strong contender. (Lua has zero appeal to me, I just mentioned it because it's a close second in the package ecosystem license percentage.)
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21:46:17libmanLLVM/Clang relicensing would have a big impact on the Copyfree-ness of Nim vs Go...
21:46:51libman(But it would totally take LLVM-married languages Rust and Julia out of contention.)
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21:47:17libmanHas anyone used Nim with PCC (Portable C Compiler)?
21:47:26gokrAraq_: Any interesting thoughts on Linda/tuplespaces in the context of Nim/Spry?
21:48:01gokrI am reading up on it but curious for your thoughts.
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21:48:37Araq_well at some point you actually have to program in your programming language of choice. and deciding based on the license for this is like deciding what to eat based on whether it's
21:49:32Araq_free of sugar or not.
21:50:12Araq_gokr: what's Linda/tuplespaces?
21:50:22libmanProgramming language choice is a marriage.
21:50:37gokrAraq_: Oho, a hole in your extensive knowledge! :)
21:51:10gokrhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuple_space
21:51:45gokrIt's basically a model of shared nothing coop between processes.
21:52:18gokrFeels like a good fit for Nim and Spry.
21:54:08kulelu88libman: surprised there are other people who care about licensing
21:55:10libmankulelu88: the goal is not having to care about licensing. But if we didn't, we'd end up with AQGPLv4 that makes Apple EULA's look tame...
21:55:37kulelu88libman: where do you host your code?
21:56:01libmanI don't. My past code was all proprietary or thrown away.
21:56:08kulelu88oh
21:56:23libman(There's https://github.com/lbmn but there's nothing there.)
21:56:41kulelu88using github is a bit of a paradox, if you care about licensing
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21:59:41libmanI don't really "use github", I just have an account there because all the cool kids are doing it. I'm not depended on it for anything.
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22:01:15Araq_gokr: how is a shared tuple space "shared nothing"?
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22:01:54gokrIt can be. There are commercial middleware tuple spaces - that go beyond a single machine.
22:02:11gokrIt's not limited to inter thread communication.
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22:02:45kulelu88libman got angry and left :P
22:03:01libman<libman> I don't really "use github", I just have an account there because all the cool kids are doing it. I'm not depended on it for anything.
22:03:14libmanSorry, I have a very bad connection.
22:03:16kulelu88oh you back libman
22:03:17gokrBut I presume for very high performance inter thread stuff - a tuple space implementation could "hand over" tuples using pointers.
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22:05:37libmanThe proper channel for "why copyfree" discussion is ##copyfree (or #nim-offtopic). In this channel I only aim to discuss Nim advocacy / outreach / marketing, and I propose that one of Nim's promo points is less license fuss in its ecosystem.
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22:16:02Araq_gokr: my own musings are about entity systems and replacing pointers by IDs
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22:18:22ldleworkAraq_: have you been writing an ECS in Nim?
22:18:59Araq_ldlework: no.
22:21:45libmanECS... (over my head) Entity Component System?
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