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| 00:29:43 | girvo | Has anyone put together a game in Nim and released the source? I'm curious about some architecture choices I need to decide on |
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| 08:14:07 | yglukhov | hey guys, i'm trying to fix nim tests on windows, but don't have windows :) can anyone help me please? specifically i need the output of gcc on './koch test r tests/manyloc/nake/nakefile.nim' |
| 08:19:26 | reactormonk | yglukhov, just grab an amazon ec2 image? |
| 08:20:17 | yglukhov | reactormonk err dont know what youre talking about %) |
| 08:21:24 | reactormonk | yglukhov, first year you have free ec2 instances (micro) https://aws.amazon.com/free/ |
| 08:22:11 | yglukhov | ahhh, ok, will try |
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| 09:45:13 | vegansk | Is there any chance to use {.varargs.} in js target? For example, with ``console.log``? |
| 09:45:52 | vegansk | For now, thge compiler fails in sigmatch.nim(1555) matchesAux with NPE |
| 09:54:38 | vegansk | This is working variant: ``log*: proc(s: cstring) {.nimcall varargs.}``, and this throws NPE: ``log*: proc() {.nimcall varargs.}`` |
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| 11:17:46 | coffeepot | heya, I'm a bit confused about 'object of' with respect to references: https://gist.github.com/coffeepots/f414b0887e6bef6c168e |
| 11:17:50 | coffeepot | object of RootRef is not a ref? |
| 11:18:30 | coffeepot | is object of RootRef a stack object around a reference? |
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| 13:00:35 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: You need a `ref object of RootRef` or `ref object of RootObj`; what matters is the type declaration; the `ref` or `ptr` part of the type is not inherited. |
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| 13:18:40 | coffeepot | Jehan_ Ah okay, so what actually is a 'object of RootRef'? |
| 13:18:58 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: The same as an `object of RootObj`. |
| 13:19:14 | coffeepot | Oh... that's ... not what I expected! |
| 13:19:38 | coffeepot | isn't RootRef defined as 'ref RootObj'? |
| 13:19:55 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: Correct. But the `ref` part isn't inherited. |
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| 13:23:17 | coffeepot | jehan_ okay, that's an interesting detail to remember for inheritance |
| 13:24:19 | Jehan_ | It's not really fundamentally different from other OO languages that have this distinction. |
| 13:27:05 | coffeepot | i guess it's probably confusing for me because I've only used inheritance on classes/refs/pointers |
| 13:27:12 | coffeepot | jehan_ by the way, speaking of inheritance do you know how I can get this code to display the 'correct' type names https://gist.github.com/coffeepots/be4d6a96ef3c7c832137 |
| 13:30:29 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: I'm not sure if that's possible, i.e. I think (or at least seem to remember) that `type` works on the declared type. |
| 13:30:56 | coffeepot | to be honest I feared that might be so :( |
| 13:31:24 | Jehan_ | In any even, you'd need ref object types, since assignment coerces normal objects to become the supertype. |
| 13:31:56 | coffeepot | I did try it with refs and it gave the same result |
| 13:32:11 | coffeepot | is there any way at all I can store descendent objects at runtime and retrieve their types? |
| 13:32:51 | coffeepot | I can't store typedesc as the compiler says it's not concrete, else I would just wrap the type and object together |
| 13:33:39 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: I mean that without refs all would be `A`s regardless of the display. |
| 13:33:59 | Jehan_ | You can install a method typename that returns the proper type name. |
| 13:34:19 | coffeepot | the problem I am trying to solve is storing arbitrary objects in a Table, but it's no use if they lose their type info |
| 13:34:25 | coffeepot | Right, great idea I will try that :D |
| 13:34:33 | coffeepot | thanks Jehan_ :) |
| 13:35:36 | coffeepot | although thinking about it, the typename isn't much use as I cant' use it to cast |
| 13:38:06 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: What's the specific application that you need this for? |
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| 13:39:44 | Jehan_ | Generally, if you need type-dependent stuff, then methods are what you need (that, or `x of T` tests). |
| 13:40:07 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel d3b69e5 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Fixes #3582. |
| 13:40:56 | coffeepot | entity framework for a game. I want to be able to create an entity and add a selection of objects to represent it's data. The objects will be stored in a hashtable against a data ID |
| 13:42:13 | coffeepot | eg; player.add(position); player.add(physicsData) etc |
| 13:42:15 | Jehan_ | Yeah, I'm just not sure why you need the dynamic type. |
| 13:43:57 | Jehan_ | Any action that you need to perform contingent upon the type, you can put in a method. |
| 13:53:11 | coffeepot | I think I'm using methods wrong here :/ https://gist.github.com/coffeepots/522613a8adc1b90cb15b |
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| 14:01:43 | coffeepot | right I think I'm just trying to do something that is impossible. I have another idea on how to do it so I'll try that :) Thanks for your help Jehan_ much appreciated! |
| 14:02:39 | Jehan_ | coffeepot: Good luck! |
| 14:02:44 | coffeepot | thanks! |
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| 18:59:14 | desophos | gmpreussner|work: so what do you think about the sodium port? |
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| 19:07:58 | gmpreussner|work | hey desophos |
| 19:08:02 | gmpreussner|work | i finished the book |
| 19:08:09 | gmpreussner|work | i'm gonna have to read it again :) |
| 19:08:26 | desophos | cool, i haven't finished the book haha |
| 19:08:40 | desophos | idk if i can port this |
| 19:08:53 | desophos | seems very complex |
| 19:08:56 | gmpreussner|work | there are some good ideas, but it doesn't quite fit together in my head yet. |
| 19:09:13 | gmpreussner|work | it's not that complex. porting should be easy. i haven't decided yet whether it's worth it. |
| 19:09:33 | gmpreussner|work | i also want to review some other FRP like frameworks to get the bigger picture |
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| 19:10:56 | gmpreussner|work | i'm gonna try and build a mock UI framework with FRP this weekend to get a better for feeling what it can do and what's missing |
| 19:11:06 | desophos | cool |
| 19:11:42 | gmpreussner|work | my main concern right now is the heavily imperative code. the framework suggests that it is functional, but the examples i've seen are very imperative |
| 19:11:56 | gmpreussner|work | i.e. building and wiring up the streams/cells |
| 19:13:10 | gmpreussner|work | it reminds me of how we built UIs in the 80s and 90s. i'm looking for a more declarative/fluent syntax |
| 19:13:25 | desophos | hmm |
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| 19:15:01 | desophos | i know what you mean but i don't know it well enough to suggest a solution |
| 19:16:08 | desophos | seems like it's just the initial building that's imperative |
| 19:16:37 | desophos | shouldn't it be possible to just do it all at once? |
| 19:16:42 | desophos | in a declarative style |
| 19:17:52 | desophos | i haven't delved into it enough |
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| 19:36:08 | desophos | gmpreussner|work: have you looked at ReactiveX? the authors of the FRP book trash it but it might be decent |
| 19:38:33 | gmpreussner|work | i started looking at it, yes |
| 19:39:03 | gmpreussner|work | i don't think they trash it. they're just saying that it's not pure FRP, and that's causing some issues |
| 19:39:52 | gmpreussner|work | from what i understand, RX has grown out of practice, and FRP has a stronger theoretical foundation |
| 19:40:55 | desophos | hmm |
| 19:41:03 | desophos | Rx also has a lot more support... |
| 19:41:13 | desophos | (probably due mostly to microsoft backing) |
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| 19:53:05 | desophos | i'm actually considering moving to a language with more support :/ nim is a great language but has such a small community and i'm not competent enough to really help expand its support |
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| 19:54:42 | mat4 | hi all |
| 19:56:28 | federico3 | desophos: :( |
| 19:56:34 | desophos | i know :( |
| 19:56:58 | federico3 | a lot of people seem to leave because of that |
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| 20:10:21 | mat4 | the available documentation is sufficient albeit not very detailed in my opinion |
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| 20:18:55 | Araq | what does 'more' support mean when you don't even pay for the available support anyway |
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| 20:25:38 | strcmp1 | functional programmers are such purists. |
| 20:25:42 | strcmp1 | all or nothing. |
| 20:26:22 | * | mat4 thinks this apprach has some advantages |
| 20:26:30 | mat4 | ^approach |
| 20:27:08 | strcmp1 | i agree but i dont think there is a "one and only" way, so i don't dig the purist argument. |
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| 20:51:38 | theduke | what's the bitwise complement operator? |
| 20:53:24 | mat4 | NOT(x) := (-x) - 1 |
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| 20:55:22 | mat4 | alias 'not' |
| 20:56:41 | mat4 | see http://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#not,int |
| 20:56:57 | mat4 | "proc `not`(x: int32): int32 {.magic: "BitnotI", noSideEffect.} |
| 20:56:57 | mat4 | computes the bitwise complement of the integer x" |
| 20:57:28 | theduke | mat4: makes sense, thanks |
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| 20:58:12 | theduke | i was staring at the manual for 15 minutes, going crazy. Note to self: always check system.html before asking stupid questions. ^^ |
| 20:58:50 | mat4 | please note that that the first defination is only valid for a value in two-complement format |
| 21:01:47 | mat4 | ^no question is stupid as is |
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| 21:21:55 | Araq | theduke: the website has been updated and the allmighty index is now the first entry |
| 21:22:01 | Araq | maybe that helps too |
| 21:25:59 | mat4 | Araq: A gently introduction to Nim's 'special features' would probably also helpful. A documentation with explain most common programming tasks compared to another C oriented language |
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| 21:53:32 | ldlework | Is there an assembler? |
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| 21:56:40 | theduke | Araq: all hail the mighty index |
| 21:58:34 | mat4 | ldlework: Which kind of assembler do you mean ? |
| 21:59:17 | ldlework | mat4: a library offering an x86 assembler or similar |
| 21:59:17 | theduke | A section in the manual listing the binary operators would be nice |
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| 22:03:15 | mat4 | ldlework: there exist an asm keyword for inclusion of assembler sources |
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| 22:26:16 | desophos | did i miss anything? |
| 22:29:10 | ldlework | mat4: ah but unless I'm doing crazy things with macros that sounds like I wont be able to assmble during runtime |
| 22:29:16 | ldlework | right |
| 22:33:27 | mat4 | you want to compile assembler sequences at runtime ? |
| 22:34:44 | ephja | opcodes? |
| 22:35:02 | ldlework | mat4: yes |
| 22:35:21 | mat4 | I'm working on it |
| 22:35:26 | ldlework | mat4: what |
| 22:35:28 | ldlework | lol |
| 22:35:36 | mat4 | *g* |
| 22:37:06 | mat4 | a JIT compiler |
| 22:38:04 | mat4 | however compilation reuse my own instruction-set architecture |
| 22:39:11 | ldlework | mat4: oh you mean, in general you've been working on a JIT compiler |
| 22:39:13 | ldlework | jesus |
| 22:39:32 | ldlework | I thought you were like "hold up, let me throw a JIT together, few more mins..." |
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| 22:42:12 | mat4 | there are various projects of these spirit available which only need a written wrapper to be accessible with Nim |
| 22:43:45 | mat4 | it's only you can't expect good code quality from them |
| 22:44:12 | mat4 | need some sleep, ciao |
| 22:44:15 | ldlework | o/ |
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| 23:08:40 | theduke | aand another question, how do you increment a pointer? inc / +1 don't work. Casting to int, incrementing and casting works, but I would hope theres a better method. :D |
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