<< 24-12-2013 >>

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00:14:53OrionPKMblah where'd dom go
00:27:40VarriountOrionPKM, I'm gonna work on the ST plugin a bit now. Anything in particular I should focus on?
00:28:35OrionPKMdo you want to work more on syntax highlighting or something else?
00:29:29OrionPKMI'm about to head home now, and I've got a list there of things I want added to the plugin
00:29:32OrionPKMafk
00:31:54Demos_ugh I should get all my VS plugin code on this laptop, maybe when my head calms down
00:39:36OrionPKMvarriount
00:39:39OrionPKMstill here?
00:39:52VarriountYep
00:40:02OrionPKMcouple things on my list..
00:40:15OrionPKMenhancements: some way to specify a "project" file
00:40:31OrionPKMi.e. the primary nim file in your sublime project
00:40:44OrionPKManother enhancement is sublimeREPL support
00:41:13OrionPKMand bug fixes is just.. getting OSX to reliably find babel and nimrod in the PATH
00:41:26VarriountI don't have OSX, so I can't fix that.
00:41:31OrionPKMnp
00:41:55OrionPKManother thing that you could look at
00:42:00OrionPKMis wordrecg.nim
00:42:11OrionPKMI think that's what it's called
00:42:50OrionPKMmake sure all the "special words" are covered in our syntax highlighter
00:43:04OrionPKMit's in nimrod/compiler/
00:43:23VarriountOrionPKM, why did you take out the string literal prefix detection from the regex?
00:43:38OrionPKMit was interfering with something..
00:44:26VarriountProbably the tmpl thing, however you could have just put it at the bottom of the file, or altered the regex to exclude the tmpl
00:44:37OrionPKMwhat changeset is it
00:45:39OrionPKMthis bit: (\w[_\w]*)?\"\"\" ?
00:45:46VarriountYeah.
00:46:06VarriountAnd the same bit for the other strings.
00:46:29OrionPKManother thing we could do is regex highlighting
00:46:52OrionPKMwhats an example of when that would be necessary
00:47:30VarriountOrionPKM, I use it to turn string literals formatted as posix paths into whatever the native path is
00:48:03VarriountIt's also used in the regex and peg modules
00:48:37Araqwell imho special words should not be highlighted, only keywords
00:49:06VarriountAraq, it isn't just about highlighting. It's also about classification of scopes.
00:49:52OrionPKMI like some differrentiation of things lke "and", "or", "addr", "return" etc
00:50:06OrionPKMwe have most of them, obviously
00:50:19VarriountFor me, Shift+Ctrl+Alt+P brings up a list of the scopes that a section of code lies in. These scopes are used by things like snippet recognition and plugins to select parts of code.
01:06:59VarriountOrionPKM, have a look at this -> http://tmtheme-editor.herokuapp.com/#/PlasticCodeWrap
01:08:49OrionPKMinteresting
01:10:32OrionPKMwe definitely need more variety in the colors :P
01:10:41OrionPKMthe scopes
01:11:03OrionPKMfor my theme (soda) pretty much everything is just red
01:11:22VarriountThemes control the colors. TMLanguages control where the colors are applied.
01:11:31OrionPKMright
01:11:38OrionPKMI like my theme
01:11:54OrionPKMbut we dont have enough difentiation in the scope
01:12:38VarriountIt's not easy. For example, there's no way, using a tmlanguage file, to scope a custom operator
01:13:06VarriountAt least, I don't think there is.
01:13:09OrionPKMyeah, but we can do difference between the color of "var" vs the color of "return"
01:13:26OrionPKMwhereas right now I think they're being put in the same scope
01:13:40VarriountOrionPKM, I'm just following the Textmate Language scope guidelines
01:13:55OrionPKMyou're the one in charge of syntax highlighting :P
01:14:42Varriounthttp://manual.macromates.com/en/language_grammars.html#naming_conventions
01:15:21OrionPKMgood resource
01:15:53OrionPKMdid you decide what you want to work on?
01:16:23VarriountI'm gonna work on scoping stuff
01:16:41OrionPKMmmk
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01:50:33VarriountAraq, is there a place in the source tree to put optional tests, or tests that may require root privaleges?
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02:17:43OrionPKMvarriount any idea on how to store/retrieve metadata in a sublime-project with a plugin?
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02:59:08VarriountOrionPKM, well, if you can find the path of the project file, you can just parse it.
03:00:28VarriountYou might also be able to use some hidden command to open and/or get the currently active project
03:01:38OrionPKMobviously not ideal
03:02:42VarriountOrionPKM, another option is searching in the folders of all the open files for a project file
03:03:02OrionPKMyour project file isnt necessarily in your project
03:03:16OrionPKMoh
03:03:20OrionPKMyeah I see what you mean
03:03:56VarriountOrionPKM, the methods I'm giving are not ideal. They are workarounds for an incomplete api
03:04:06OrionPKMyeah
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03:04:37VarriountOrionPKM, you can get the project data in ST3
03:05:14VarriountPerhaps you could auto-detect the project for users using ST3, and have them manually input the location in ST2?
03:05:56OrionPKMI dont really like the idea of manipulating the st plugin file directly
03:06:15VarriountHuh? What do you mean?
03:06:36OrionPKMwould rather have something like project().settings().set/get
03:06:45OrionPKMrather than parsing the json and writing the json to some file
03:06:57VarriountThat kind of api is only available in ST3 unfortunately
03:09:02OrionPKMwonder if another plugin does something like it
03:09:56OrionPKMmy project doesnt even contain my ST project
03:10:06OrionPKMits outside the folder of my src
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03:12:26VarriountOrionPKM, what are you trying to do with the project file?
03:12:38OrionPKMstore which .nim file is the project file
03:13:04OrionPKMhttp://build.nimrod-lang.org/docs/idetools.html#specifying-the-location-of-the-query
03:13:09OrionPKMthe last parameter is proj.nim
03:14:44OrionPKMgood grief
03:14:44OrionPKMhttps://github.com/facelessuser/FavoriteFiles/blob/master/favorites.py#L74
03:16:17VarriountWell, that's one way to do things
03:17:30VarriountOrionPKM, I'm looking through things.
03:18:13VarriountThere's also the "${project}" variable that can be used as a argument to open_file
03:18:24OrionPKMinteresting
03:18:45VarriountMaybe it can be used in other ways?
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03:19:20VarriountOrionPKM, the thing about sublime text is that there's a lot of.. not hidden, but obscure api quirks
03:21:07OrionPKMwhere do you see the ${project} variable
03:21:44VarriountOrionPKM, open up the console, turn on the command logging, go project -> open project file
03:27:31OrionPKMdoesnt work in there, that I can see..
03:27:50VarriountWhat do you mean?
03:28:17OrionPKMin open_file that variable doesnt work
03:28:41Varriountopen_file {"file": "${project}"}
03:29:08OrionPKMyeah
03:29:52VarriountOrionPKM, that's what is shown on the console when I open up the current project file via the project menu
03:30:07OrionPKMI know
03:30:09OrionPKMI see it too
03:31:47fowlis there a c library for automating web browsing
03:32:27Varriountfowl, as in, programmatically browsing a web page, or showing a user a web page?
03:32:48fowlVarriount, i need to be able to click things and read from it
03:33:10fowli want to make a gambling bot for https://doge-dice.com
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03:37:03VarriountLets see. You could look at how the javascript on that web page works, and write nimrod code to do what it does.
03:38:23Varriountfowl, in addition, there are a few headless web-browser programs which you can send commands to, a-la interprocess communication
03:39:33fowlthat might work
03:40:08fowli need to be able to input the wager, click lo/hi and read the last result
03:40:16Varriountfowl, do a search on "programmatic web browsers" or "headless web browsers"
03:40:35fowli already have it figured out how to bet: https://gist.github.com/fowlmouth/b6d0746c2cf1e75bd899
03:43:35VarriountThe real problem for searching for this kind of thing is that you can't simply seach for a "C implementation of XXX" in google, because you get everything C# and C++ related mixed in
04:02:15OrionPKMGoogle should get smarter about that. make a special exeption for c even
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10:28:35shodan45fowl: http://docs.seleniumhq.org/
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12:51:38Araqhi Hat_and_Cloak welcome
12:51:49Hat_and_Cloakah thanks
12:55:23Araqoh and merry christmas, #nimrod !
12:55:59dom96hello Hat_and_Cloak
12:56:06dom96Merry Christmas everyone!
13:02:27Araqdom96: tested vm2 already?
13:02:36dom96Araq: No, I will soon.
13:02:52Araqwell I'm merging newtempl into vm2
13:03:03Araqand now bootstrapping doesn't work anymore :P
13:03:11Araqnewtempl will break things but should help jester
13:04:35NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 04b3a1b Araq [+25 ±53 -1]: Merge branch 'vm2' of github.com:Araq/Nimrod into vm2
13:04:35NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 1ca6b0c Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: bugfix: InvalidSockets needs to be a let variable
13:04:35NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel ccbb482 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: Merge branch 'newtempl' into devel... 5 more lines
13:04:35NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel f21e127 Araq [+1 ±4 -0]: attempt to merge newtempl
13:04:53Araqsee you later
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13:08:09Hat_and_CloakI have been reading up the tutorials for a while now, very imressed at whatever my noobish brain has managed to grasp and kind of annoyed at why I haven't come across it earlier.
13:08:29Hat_and_CloakWhile the tutorials are imressive, I think you guys should find some spare time to write a 'learn x in y minutes' style tutorial too.
13:08:46Hat_and_CloakI think many people try that resource first to orient themselves with a new language.
13:09:12dom96Time is hard to find heh.
13:09:52Hat_and_Cloakyes that is the sad reality :(
13:25:12Hat_and_CloakSorry if it is bothersome, I just tried a toy collatz script here: http://bpaste.net/show/vSI2PUxqCTkxRHYhAoPd/
13:25:35Hat_and_Cloakfor an input of 100,000 it returns result instantly
13:25:52Hat_and_Cloakbut make it 200,000 and it runs forever
13:26:10Hat_and_Cloakwhich should not be the case
13:28:23Hat_and_Cloakwent beyond int maybe
13:45:10dom96make sure to compile with -d:release
13:47:56Hat_and_Cloakyes but doing that resulted in it running forever, omitting it gave the real reason: Error: unhandled exception: over- or underflow [EOverflow]
13:50:45dom96yeah, there you go.
13:51:06dom96we're still missing bigint support but someone is working on that
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13:56:55dom96uhhh, "ddl_smurfs_machine" wut
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14:49:22dom96Araq: well both the vm2 branch and the devel branch fail to bootstrap
15:01:04Araqdom96: yeah I know ...
15:01:19dom96so I can't test
15:01:38Araqyou need to revert the very latest commit, I think
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15:08:11gradhaHat_and_Cloak: yesterday https://github.com/tylereaves/euler/blob/master/bigint.nim was announced, you may have luck with it
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15:16:22gradhadom96: next time somebody asks for a "nimrod in 5 minutes" thing remember you wrote an article like that
15:19:58AraqHat_and_Cloak: according to gradha dom96 already wrote such a tutorial
15:20:27dom96I wouldn't consider my article a tutorial... but it is a great overview of the language.
15:20:58gradhaHat_and_Cloak: also, lag might have prevented you from getting this message 'yesterday https://github.com/tylereaves/euler/blob/master/bigint.nim was announced, you may have luck with it'
15:21:21gradhathe thing http://picheta.me/articles/2013/10/about-nimrods-features.html
15:23:38gradhaI went to hacker news and clicking on the triangles doesn't collapse branches, the icon just disappears, is that right?
15:24:01Araqyeah
15:24:16Araqthey special cased the UI for macosx
15:24:31Araqso it feels native for mac users
15:29:59dom96Why is github's little repo setup defaulting to HTTP now instead of SSH?
15:30:15dom96silly github
15:30:23gradhalittle repo?
15:30:41dom96setup
15:30:55dom96The quick setup you get when you create a new repo
15:31:22gradhaswitch to bitbucket, let them learn their lesson
15:31:30dom96Yeah, that'll show 'em
15:32:49Hat_and_Cloakgradha: thanks, dom96's article looks great!
15:33:04dom96thanks heh
15:34:15Hat_and_Cloakmaybe a little on the light side, but great introduction nonetheless.
15:40:40KoodaStill no wikipedia page about nimrod? :(
15:41:04gradhathere never will be a wikipedia page, rules are against it
15:41:13KoodaAre they?
15:41:23gradhanot enough third party sources or something
15:41:28KoodaAh
15:41:56dom96I wouldn't say "never"
15:42:07gradhaAraq is making a movie (Nimrod, world domination) yet that wouldn't count as reference, because he is the author
15:42:17gradhamaybe if he gets an oscar
15:42:22Kooda:D
15:42:33NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel fc7721e Araq [+0 ±4 -0]: bootstraps with new template symbol binding rules
15:43:13Araqdom96: test with the devel branch please
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15:56:11AraqKooda: in january my DrDobbs article will be released which *might* count as a credible reference but then not really because I wrote it
16:01:55KoodaOk
16:07:08Hat_and_Cloakif it gets published, its because the editorial board endorsed it, sounds sufficient third party involvement to me
16:07:20Hat_and_Cloakabsurd rule if this is not the case
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16:09:30tylereI just wrote what might be the ugliest nimrod program ever
16:09:56tylerehttps://github.com/tylereaves/euler/blob/master/prob031.nim
16:10:03tylere(at least if you consider 9 levels of nesting ugly
16:11:06KoodaD:
16:11:08NimBotnimrod-code/babel master f350899 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Fixes #22
16:11:08NimBotnimrod-code/babel master 2129b2c Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:nimrod-code/babel
16:11:29tylereI will say the performance is quite impressiv
16:11:40tylereruns through all 98M total iterations in 1.5 secs
16:18:21fowli wonder how much of that time is IO
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16:29:33gradhadom96: oh man, it's so tyring clicking the ssh tab during repo creation
16:29:47dom96gradha: I know!
16:30:05dom96I swear I never had to do that though
16:30:14dom96Why would they change the default?
16:30:24gradhagrab that github person you know and interrogate
16:31:32dom96hrm, not a bad idea.
16:33:40gradhait's obvious that this is the NSA, https is not as secure as ssh with PKI, so they weaken our precious bodily fluids
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16:41:44gradhais there any library which loads an xml dom-style using xpath to filter only the parts you need/expect?
16:44:25gradhaawesome xpath C library according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathan
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16:49:04fowlPashtun people (Pashto: پښتانه‎ Pax̌tānə; also spelled Pushtun, Pakhtun or Pukhtun), also known as ethnic Afghans or Pathans,[13][14] form an ethnic group with populations primarily in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
16:49:09fowlgradha, nice troll
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16:52:43gradhathat's linked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpath#Implementations
16:53:45gradhaI think unix is winning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Pipeline
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17:17:31NimBotnimrod-code/babel master 4cd00ae Dominik Picheta [+7 ±1 -7]: Changed directory structure.
17:17:31NimBotnimrod-code/babel master e163ee9 Dominik Picheta [+1 ±1 -0]: Added tester.
17:21:36dom96It's as if I am always sick whenever I have time to actually do some programming :(
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17:27:10gradhadom96: let's play son 0AD then
17:27:21dom96it doesn't work :\
17:27:37gradhawhat doesn't work?
17:27:54dom960AD
17:27:59gradhait got sick too?
17:28:09dom96probably
17:28:33*dom96 will watch a movie instead
17:28:41*Demos_ will play some morrowind
17:28:50Demos_also, hello all, good morning
17:29:50gradhadom96: but there's so many steam sales
17:33:04Demos_I wonder if my intel HD3000 can drive a big screen TV. Underpowered duct tape game console time!
17:33:24gradhadoesn't that depend on resolution?
17:36:07Demos_mmhmm
17:36:43fowlscroll of icarian flight
17:37:05fowl:O
17:37:25fowlhappy pagan holiday errbody
17:37:43gradhaI liked Ultima pagan
17:41:11Demos_fowl, that is the scroll from the wizard on the way to balmora right?
17:42:11fowlyea
17:42:42Demos_also, I like doubled my FPS by running morrowind windowed, wierd
17:42:53Demos_hopefully when it carshes I wont have to restart my computer as wel
17:44:38Demos_I think exclusive fullscreen needs to die in a fire
17:50:48fowlif you're feeling lucky you can install MGE, it never worked for me though
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17:51:44Demos_I am using MGSO
17:52:00Demos_on the lowest settings, so I have MGE-XE a bunch of textuere mods, and so on
17:52:01fowlwhats that
17:52:13fowloh thats gfx and sound right
17:52:14Demos_it is a compilation of graphics and sound mods
17:52:24Demos_makes MW look better than oblivion imo
17:52:46psquidfowl: One way I want to start a new run is to get as far as those scrolls, then point myself in a semi-random direction and jump with one, using the second to re-increase my acrobatics just soon enough to not go splat. Then I'd continue to play from where I landed.
17:56:44Demos_sounds hard, I have never actually finished mw, so I kinda want to do that. I may end up finishing on skywind though
17:59:31gradhadoes somebody have the nimrod crown in svg or something I can use for icons on macosx?
18:00:32fowli want to try to beat the game as an agent or monk or some other non-violent character
18:01:31gradhacan you play as politician?
18:03:12Demos_gradha, you can join the houses
18:04:06gradhasounds boring, do they party?
18:04:10psquidHouse Telvanni is still my favourite, lore-wise.
18:05:45fowlthe cool thing about morrowind is some of the quests overlap like you have to kill some thieves guild in the fighters guild
18:06:50gradhaI loved how in torment with charisma and inteligence you could fool people giving you quests "Yeah, sure I did it <exp caching>"
18:11:45gradhathe ios7 game tech talk spends half of its time on obvious non game stuff, like IDE completion or "you can parse urls with NSURL class"
18:12:42gradhaoh, wait, I got the wrong PDF, sucky websites
18:13:05EXetoCopenmw is making progress
18:13:17Demos_grr my laptop shut down, apperently my charger can not support morrowind
18:13:59Demos_I saw openmw is actually using OGRE...
18:14:07fowlyep
18:14:19gradharight, the game dev tech is all about the new shiny apple controllers you have to buy
18:14:33Demos_well pretty much anything is better than morrowind's engine'
18:16:48Demos_skywind is making progress as well
18:17:16Demos_and presumably bethesda is planning TES VI
18:20:45fowlare you interested in tes online
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18:23:14Demos_not really
18:24:05Demos_played the beta a bit and was not impressed. It just did not seem have been made with love
18:24:31Demos_anyway, really pissed that my battery charger can not deal with max discharge
18:25:01Demos_65W adapter
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18:27:53Araqgradha: congrats for the finalizers API proposal, it's not bad.
18:28:13gradhaOrionPKM: found http://nimrod-lang.org/rst.html, maybe that's what Araq meant
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18:28:37Araqohh cool
18:28:42Araqforgot about that one
18:28:44Araq:D
18:29:27Araqmy time machine strikes again :P
18:30:04gradhaAraq: is that API possible?
18:30:28Araqyeah
18:30:43Araqthough for efficiency reasons we should do it differently :p
18:30:49gradhano problem
18:31:40gradhaI forgot to ask, if finalizers inside macros work, and if they should propagate to runtime code, then you could consider those finalizers as "C++ class initializers" which run at startup before user code
18:32:08gradhabut then, I've read horror stories about the non determinism of c++ initializers, so may be best to avoid that
18:32:45gradhahowever, that could mean a macro inside a module *registers* the finalizer for the type, which is convenient
18:33:01Araqwhat? why should a *finalizer* run at *startup* ?
18:33:20gradhaerr, no, something which registers the finalizer at startup
18:33:44Araqwell that's what you're proposing
18:34:07Araqthough we can make the API compiletime
18:34:09gradhayes, and so the macro thingy: could a macro register a finalizer for a type?
18:34:18gradhaok, that's it
18:34:26gradhacompiletime, the codeword which solves everything
18:34:28AraqI can't see why not but I dunno
18:34:45Araqthis requires some thinking :P
18:35:02Araqbtw please test your stuff with the new devel branch
18:35:11Araqwhich is about to be merged
18:35:17Araqsee you later, bye
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21:57:14dom96So how's everyone Christmas Eve going?
21:58:30fowlgood
21:58:43fowlim winning
21:59:38dom96*everyone's heh
21:59:48dom96What are you winning exactly?
22:00:23fowlhttps://doge-dice.com/
22:00:28fowlim writing a bot for it
22:06:18dom96In Nimrod?
22:07:16fowlno
22:07:21fowlruby
22:09:01dom96pity
22:09:21fowlneed more functionality to do it in nimrod
22:09:26dom96like what?
22:09:30fowlselenium
22:09:53dom96I see.
22:10:04dom96Fair enough then.
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22:12:34NimBotnimrod-code/nimforum master 9132db3 Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz [+0 ±5 -0]: s/nimrod-code/nimrod-lang/
22:12:34NimBotnimrod-code/nimforum master 8d94ef5 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±5 -0]: Merge pull request #20 from gradha/pr_updates_domain... 2 more lines
22:12:42fowli would have started wrapping it but the aur package for it is out of date
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22:36:16KoodaIs that the selenium you’re talking about? http://docs.seleniumhq.org/
22:37:42KoodaI have a little question about httpclient, is there a way to get it use IPv6 where possible?
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22:44:29fowlKooda, yes
22:44:34fowlirt selenium
22:45:20KoodaThat’s funny, I wanted to try httpclient and xmltree for browsing automation
22:47:45fowlthis site relies heavily on javascript
22:48:03fowland being able to watch it working is cool :)
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22:49:24KoodaSure
22:49:55KoodaI don’t need javascript here, I think it’s pretty simple.
22:50:15KoodaBut I need SSL (I’m glad that’s already sorted) and IPv6
22:54:51fowlnot sure if anybody tried ipv6
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