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| 00:45:21 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod 010d4a5 Araq [+0 ±8 -0]: fixes a long-standing bug about procvar checking |
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| 01:20:28 | NimBot | Araq/Nimrod f15a1d4 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: added immediate versions of macros.dumpLisp and dumpTree |
| 01:23:23 | reactormonk | Araq, cool :-) |
| 01:25:20 | Araq | reactormonk: actually I already regret it :-) |
| 01:25:26 | Araq | the dump* macros should have been made immediate instead |
| 01:26:05 | Araq | it doesn't make much sense for them to participate in overloading resolution anyway |
| 01:27:30 | reactormonk | Araq, you can still kill it |
| 01:31:29 | Araq | reactormonk: looked at the nightly builds of the docs recently |
| 01:31:32 | Araq | ? |
| 01:32:03 | Araq | cause apparently sometimes doc2 generates the same effect/exception type twice in the headers |
| 01:32:14 | fowl_ | yea |
| 01:32:17 | Araq | but I can't find any example for this |
| 01:32:29 | Araq | fowl_: where? |
| 01:36:07 | reactormonk | Araq, nope :-/ |
| 01:38:40 | Araq | fowl_: any examples? |
| 01:40:59 | fowl_ | er no i was going to say thats awesome about the immediate dump* macros |
| 01:41:59 | Araq | lol |
| 01:42:10 | Araq | alright then |
| 01:49:55 | fowl_ | no, i use those docs all the time and havent seen that |
| 01:52:33 | Araq | alright I'll ask dom96 again about it and then remove it from my todo |
| 01:53:31 | Araq | btw I noticed it's a killer feature and 0.9.2 should have been released with only this additional feature alone :-) |
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| 02:23:36 | reactormonk | Araq, post a bit http://www.reddit.com/r/nimrod :-) |
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| 14:46:24 | reactormonk | Araq, you still own me #347 and a wallet id |
| 14:52:00 | Araq | reactormonk: fixing #347 is not that easy; I'm still thinking how to fix it |
| 14:52:30 | Araq | so don't hold your breath |
| 14:53:40 | reactormonk | aww |
| 14:55:50 | reactormonk | Araq, what about my solution? |
| 15:10:54 | Araq | reactormonk: your solution mostly consists of hand waving ... :P |
| 15:11:43 | Araq | and it looks like more work than what I have in mind |
| 15:16:20 | Araq | bbl |
| 15:45:07 | reactormonk | Araq, it's the clean solution - what was your idea? |
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| 21:20:46 | Araq | so tomorrow is the day, gradha |
| 21:21:04 | gradha | amazing |
| 21:21:05 | Araq | a city in the sky for us to explore |
| 21:21:47 | gradha | do I need to go to the outside world to see this floating sky or will we have a youtube channel? |
| 21:22:49 | Araq | don't be foolish; there is no such thing as an "outside world" |
| 21:24:54 | Araq | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHW78X1XeE |
| 21:25:41 | Araq | they should pay me for this shameless advertisement ... |
| 21:27:01 | gradha | they aren't going to pay you much, since I'm not interested at all |
| 21:27:17 | Araq | good |
| 21:27:55 | Araq | I wonder why though ... ;-) |
| 21:28:43 | gradha | I don't like fps very much, though I could change my mind when I get my hands on an occulus rift |
| 21:30:17 | gradha | you could even replace the word "fps" with "games" and still get it right |
| 21:30:54 | Araq | I wonder what happened to the other gradha ... |
| 21:31:11 | Araq | the gradha that liked games |
| 21:31:45 | gradha | I like them, masters of orions, masters of magic, diablo, SC |
| 21:31:54 | gradha | I just don't play them much |
| 21:32:44 | gradha | I don't like at all online games, and since the trend now is putting everything online there's less games every day I'm interested in |
| 21:33:20 | Araq | yeah I have to decide between gaming and programming |
| 21:33:35 | Araq | and now that Nimrod exists programming is too much fun ... :P |
| 21:33:49 | gradha | indeed, which is why we are here |
| 21:38:39 | gradha | pending games on my todo list: braid, deathspank thongs of virtue, dustforce, gratuitous space battles, penny arcade adventures and sc2, return of the horrible tutorials |
| 21:39:03 | gradha | plus whatever kickstarters I've backed which will release maybe next year |
| 21:39:55 | Araq | never herad of anything in that list except sc2 ... :P |
| 21:40:27 | gradha | why is this bioshock game in the air, wasn't the previous game under water? |
| 21:40:48 | Araq | yeah that's the point |
| 21:41:14 | Araq | they decided bioshock is not about a "city under water" |
| 21:41:48 | Araq | but about a "city in weirdo land" |
| 21:42:29 | gradha | the trailer spells out more like "it's hard to render open terrain games, so we went for futuristic shit we can make up and nobody will question us" |
| 21:43:34 | Araq | well you can never get a good open world immersion when the world is closed |
| 21:44:37 | Araq | half-life 2 was particularly bad in this respect IMO |
| 21:44:59 | dom96 | whoa whoa whoa, dude. |
| 21:45:10 | dom96 | Do not speak ill of Half Life 2. |
| 21:45:14 | Araq | "oh I have no idea where this black mesa thingie is but hey, there is only one way anyway" |
| 21:45:21 | gradha | hf2 suffered from the "it's great as long as you do what we wanted to" game design |
| 21:45:45 | gradha | I loved halo's opening game, have you played it without moving? |
| 21:45:56 | gradha | I mean, standing still and let bad guys shoot you |
| 21:46:01 | gradha | you never die |
| 21:46:34 | gradha | it's all fake and there's no way to die, but if you play along it looks like you are deep in battle |
| 21:47:28 | dom96 | I don't see what's so great about open world games, I got bored of Skyrim fairly quickly. |
| 21:47:42 | dom96 | Because the main story was not interesting, and side stories even less so. |
| 21:47:50 | gradha | you should talk to minecraft people |
| 21:48:17 | dom96 | true, forgot about Minecraft. |
| 21:48:27 | dom96 | I don't play it anyway though. |
| 21:48:53 | gradha | I loved privateer, other trading games are fun too |
| 21:49:11 | gradha | you get into this "let's see what happens to the economy when I flood it with this article" |
| 21:50:47 | gradha | dom96: played planescape torment? I'm backing the numeria thingy |
| 21:51:47 | dom96 | never heard of it |
| 21:52:42 | gradha | IIRC it uses baldurs' gate engine, basic 2d rpg game where you can pause in battle to order people |
| 21:53:22 | gradha | what I found fascinating is that there were many quests where attributes would affect not only the outcome but also the type of mission you could do |
| 21:53:44 | gradha | there are very few games so open, most are "you need level x to do y", and you are blocked |
| 21:54:28 | gradha | but I got myself a weak character with lots of charisma and intelligence and I could sometimes cheat people giving me missions |
| 21:55:32 | gradha | it had some skyrim total fails related to stealing, like being able to steal everything form people in plain sight due to high level of skill |
| 21:56:50 | gradha | so who of you do I have to pester to merge nimforum pull requests? |
| 21:57:10 | Araq | dom96 |
| 21:57:14 | dom96 | Araq: |
| 21:57:21 | gradha | excellent |
| 21:57:25 | gradha | I'll harass both |
| 21:59:42 | dom96 | I am currently on Windows, and am too lazy to reboot :P |
| 22:00:16 | gradha | Araq: please improve nimrod support for windows |
| 22:00:23 | dom96 | I may be able to do pull it and deploy it tomorrow after work though. |
| 22:01:18 | dom96 | s/do// |
| 22:04:02 | Araq | gradha: in what way? |
| 22:04:24 | gradha | in whatever way is preventing dom96 from using it on windows? |
| 22:05:05 | Araq | pfff dom96 is simply spoiled |
| 22:05:30 | dom96 | It's not Nimrod's fault, I simply do not have my ssh set up on windows. |
| 22:18:31 | Araq | well there are still bugs if you don't use -d:useWinAnsi |
| 22:21:02 | dom96 | yep, or if you compile Aporia in debug mode :P |
| 22:21:41 | Araq | I blame GCC's poor support for TLS for that :P |
| 22:30:39 | dom96 | I was reading about GSoC, and it would be cool if we could apply. |
| 22:30:44 | dom96 | But it seems like a lot of bother. |
| 22:31:34 | gradha | what prevents nimrod from applying? |
| 22:32:59 | dom96 | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._What_should_a_mentoring_organization |
| 22:33:09 | dom96 | Seems like a lot of planning is involved. |
| 22:33:13 | dom96 | I'm still not quite sure how it works. |
| 22:33:25 | dom96 | Mainly whether it's all over the internet |
| 22:33:37 | dom96 | Or would I need to travel somewhere? |
| 22:33:52 | dom96 | Either case, we have under 4 days. |
| 22:34:00 | dom96 | to apply |
| 22:34:09 | gradha | "All development occurs online; there is no requirement to travel as part of the program" |
| 22:34:35 | dom96 | heh, that's what happens when I read stuff at work. |
| 22:34:45 | dom96 | well that's cool. |
| 22:34:53 | dom96 | Araq: Sign up, sign up, sign up! |
| 22:37:38 | Araq | but then I would need to mentor you ... |
| 22:37:43 | dom96 | :D |
| 22:38:10 | gradha | dom96: are you still a student? |
| 22:39:01 | dom96 | gradha: yeah |
| 22:39:37 | gradha | IIRC you mentioned having a job, wouldn't you have to leave it? |
| 22:40:46 | dom96 | Maybe. But it's always up to me how much I want to work for them. |
| 22:41:01 | dom96 | Although they might expect me to work over the summer for them. |
| 22:42:46 | dom96 | I'm not sure Nimrod would be eligible for this though really. |
| 22:42:48 | gradha | that tends to be the problem, at least I worked full time during university vacation |
| 22:42:51 | dom96 | An organisation with one person... |
| 22:43:27 | Araq | actually it's far worse ... as there ain't no organisation :P |
| 22:43:36 | dom96 | yeah... |
| 22:43:50 | gradha | you have this github organization, should be enough |
| 22:44:01 | dom96 | lol |
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| 22:47:13 | dom96 | Araq: Try it anyway, maybe you'll get some other student hah |
| 22:47:27 | dom96 | And i'll be paired up with the Go team |
| 22:47:35 | Araq | ? |
| 22:47:41 | dom96 | Wouldn't that suck? |
| 22:48:01 | dom96 | Although I suppose you choose your students |
| 22:48:08 | Araq | paired up with the go team? what do you mean? |
| 22:48:30 | dom96 | I dunno, maybe they wouldn't do GSoC. |
| 22:48:36 | dom96 | By Go team, I mean the people behind Go. |
| 22:48:51 | Araq | well obviously |
| 22:49:01 | Araq | that's what "Go team" means ... -.- |
| 22:49:07 | gradha | awww... I was thinking about the board game |
| 22:49:24 | dom96 | well what do you not get then!? |
| 22:49:33 | Araq | how this works |
| 22:49:54 | Araq | you apply to Nimrod's GSoC I think |
| 22:50:00 | Araq | not to Go's |
| 22:50:00 | dom96 | yeah, well after I said that. I realised that the students choose the projects they want to apply to anyway. |
| 22:50:21 | dom96 | So yeah, you should do it Araq. |
| 22:50:36 | Araq | alright I'll mentor you and reactormonk ... |
| 22:50:44 | gradha | Araq: you should do it, forget about floating cities |
| 22:50:54 | dom96 | Actually... |
| 22:51:13 | dom96 | hah |
| 22:51:16 | dom96 | Well I can't do it. |
| 22:51:36 | dom96 | "Yes. You must be 18 years of age or older on or before May 27, 2013 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2013." |
| 22:52:04 | dom96 | Awesome young developers never get to do anything cool. |
| 22:52:24 | gradha | I'm sure it has to do something with being paid |
| 22:52:25 | Araq | dom96: I wonder who would check your age ... |
| 22:52:42 | dom96 | I bet they would. |
| 22:52:47 | gradha | google could get into trouble for underage slavery |
| 22:52:56 | dom96 | lol |
| 22:53:17 | gradha | not that it prevents China from making iphones, say you are chinese and be done with it, there it's normal |
| 22:53:41 | Araq | so ... what do you want to work on? |
| 22:55:26 | dom96 | What do I usually work on? :P |
| 22:55:35 | gradha | reddit nimrod spamming |
| 22:56:00 | Araq | dom96: no idea |
| 22:56:05 | dom96 | "In order to participate in the program, you must be a student. Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs. You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status. |
| 22:56:05 | dom96 | " |
| 22:56:08 | dom96 | This really won't work. |
| 22:56:11 | dom96 | They won't accept me. |
| 22:56:39 | Araq | it's certainly not "fixing the stdlib to not use deprecated recvLine" |
| 22:57:04 | Araq | nor it is "adding some notes in web/news.txt" |
| 22:57:41 | dom96 | "Please also note that any residents of Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Peru, Russia, and the Ukraine that participate in the program will not receive a t-shirt or any promotional items for their participation." |
| 22:57:53 | gradha | that really sucks |
| 22:57:55 | dom96 | That is terrible. |
| 22:58:45 | Araq | that is hillarious |
| 22:59:05 | Araq | poor russians, no t-shirt for them ... |
| 23:00:32 | dom96 | 5000 dollars! |
| 23:00:35 | dom96 | omg |
| 23:00:50 | gradha | you can't even get a decent tshirt in russia for 5000$ |
| 23:01:07 | dom96 | That's because in russia, tshirts buy you. |
| 23:01:25 | Araq | I guess in these countries additional t-shirts would change the GDP too much |
| 23:03:04 | dom96 | "For all students, we will need a transcript/proof of enrollment in school. A pdf or electronic file of the transcripts is acceptable." |
| 23:03:15 | dom96 | Araq: think you could fake one for me? :P |
| 23:03:41 | dom96 | that's it |
| 23:03:48 | dom96 | I am joining #gsoc and complaining. |
| 23:04:00 | gradha | I see the tshirt issue has really fired you up |
| 23:04:01 | Araq | dom96: no need to fake one, my family is full of lawyers, remember? |
| 23:05:58 | dom96 | meh, I guess I can just forget it. |
| 23:06:05 | dom96 | I'll try to beg them to let me do it :P |
| 23:06:18 | dom96 | You should do it anyway though Araq, for reactormonk. |
| 23:06:36 | gradha | js integration mentoring |
| 23:16:45 | dom96 | ughr |
| 23:17:00 | dom96 | Apparently there is GCI for younger students. |
| 23:17:22 | dom96 | By the time the next one starts I won't be eligible for it. |
| 23:19:26 | dom96 | looks like I'll just have to continue working on Nimrod for free. |
| 23:19:58 | gradha | you could try finding a proxy student and give him 20% of your earnings for proxying you |
| 23:20:54 | gradha | after all, everything is online, nobody will now you are a dog |
| 23:21:05 | gradha | s/now/know/ |
| 23:21:08 | dom96 | Yeah, and then i'll get screwed over when he decides to take everything for himself. |
| 23:21:28 | gradha | the thing is: you are already in that situation, you can only get better |
| 23:21:54 | dom96 | I also don't know any students. |
| 23:22:23 | dom96 | Part of the fun is it being "official" |
| 23:22:32 | dom96 | And of course getting that tshirt! |
| 23:22:41 | gradha | fame and recognition |
| 23:23:23 | dom96 | yep, i'm a sucker for that. |
| 23:23:42 | dom96 | I guess I should be an actor instead of a programmer |
| 23:28:06 | gradha | what kind of role would you play? |
| 23:34:17 | dom96 | a serial killer |
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| 23:35:16 | gradha | TCP or UDP? |
| 23:35:32 | dom96 | TCP |
| 23:37:58 | gradha | requiring handshakes for each victim limits you scaling to big numbers |
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