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| 00:12:14 | Araq | Demos: it's only allowed in 'push' |
| 00:12:19 | Araq | for some reason. |
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| 00:37:23 | PMunch | Hmm, somethings not right |
| 00:38:20 | PMunch | I call on XQueryTree and get back a list of pointers and a length. But putting it in a loop and printing out the pointers yields one valid pointer, one invalid one, and the rest are just 0.. |
| 00:45:11 | Araq | PMunch: considered using Wayland instead? |
| 00:45:21 | Araq | isn't that the future anyway? |
| 00:45:34 | PMunch | Not really, as I don't use Wayland it would be a bit pointless for me |
| 00:45:47 | PMunch | Well, some believe it is, some don't |
| 00:46:06 | PMunch | But I'm not switching over until things work at least as good in wayland as they do in X |
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| 01:22:12 | fvs | hmm, tput |
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| 02:46:13 | bacterius | hi all, what do I need to do to make --os:standalone and --gc:none work together? I seem to be getting a weird error when importing strutils with those settings: lib/pure/strutils.nim(1008, 14) Error: could not resolve: line[j .. j + < len(padding)] |
| 02:49:41 | def- | bacterius: hi. I believe you will have trouble using strings in general with no os to allocate heap memory from and no gc to collect that memory |
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| 03:04:44 | zds | i was thinking it would be interesting to implement a shell in Nim |
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| 03:08:16 | bacterius | def- I see; it looks like all of the other GC implementations use too much .bss so I guess I will have to implement my own tiny GC... |
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| 05:00:48 | bacterius | yeah it seems --gc:none just pretty much disables anything related to NimString... I think I need to figure out exactly what the --gc flag does to the compiler |
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| 05:37:18 | bacterius | yeah I see it now, hasAlloc goes false and so mmdisp and sysstr don't get included. :( |
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| 06:15:07 | bacterius | oh wow, I found the problem, it was coming from the "echo("out of memory")", "quit(1)" in the raiseOutOfMem() in mmdisp.nim, these totally won't link when there's no OS |
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| 11:10:35 | vktec | Heul: Please ask people in-channel pefore PMing them. |
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| 11:28:17 | vktec | Well.... that was not so fun |
| 11:28:36 | vktec | dom96: Any ideas why he claimed he could not send to this channel? |
| 11:29:03 | bacterius | I had trouble sending on the freenode web client as well, I had to use hexchat to be able to talk |
| 11:29:14 | bacterius | not sure why |
| 11:29:38 | vktec | Ah yes... I think I remember dom96 muting webchat due to a very persistent troll |
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| 11:30:02 | vktec | Not sure if this guy was the same one... |
| 11:30:19 | vktec | Could've been... |
| 11:30:31 | vktec | I had to /ignore :-/ |
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| 11:43:30 | bacterius | this metaprogramming stuff is nuts |
| 11:44:32 | vktec | bacterius: ikr |
| 11:44:46 | vktec | Metaprogramming ftw! |
| 11:45:26 | bacterius | I'm trying to make a compile-time function that takes an object type and returns the sum of the size (via sizeof) of its fields |
| 11:45:59 | vktec | At.... compile-time? |
| 11:46:05 | vktec | Surely that's a runtime operation? |
| 11:46:25 | bacterius | well like an object that has two fields, a uint32 and an int16, should return 6 |
| 11:46:26 | vktec | Oh, oops, I misunderstood |
| 11:48:12 | Araq | vktec: yes the troll is now PM'ing people |
| 11:48:16 | bacterius | I found fieldPairs but if I only have the type I am unsure how to iterate through the fields |
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| 11:48:37 | vktec | Araq: :( |
| 11:48:51 | Araq | bacterius: you can use macros.getType |
| 11:51:09 | bacterius | :o |
| 11:53:55 | Araq | bacterius: it seems wiser though to patch the compiler so that its size computations agree with clang/gcc |
| 11:54:30 | Araq | so that we can fully support 'sizeof' in const contexts |
| 11:54:51 | bacterius | oh no, this isn't to emulate a C-like sizeof |
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| 11:55:04 | Araq | it's risky though so it needs some decent tests |
| 11:55:49 | bacterius | what I'm trying to do basically is an automatic way to pack/unpack simple objects into/from byte buffers, as part ofan embedded communication protocol |
| 11:56:08 | bacterius | and I'm using metaprogramming to do the codegen |
| 11:57:30 | bacterius | I was thinking of just using sizeof() and copyMem but when I realised Nim didn't support compile-time sizeof of objects it got me thinking that I probably didn't want to do that anyway |
| 11:57:51 | Araq | I see |
| 11:58:02 | fredrik92 | ohh, bacterius, I'm doing stuff like that in C# (to do certain P/Invoke calls to the Windows API), and YES, that is crazy, always!!!! :D |
| 11:59:57 | bacterius | fredrik92: P/Invoke is pretty cool, but from what I've seen Nim's codegen abilities are mind-bending |
| 12:01:08 | vktec | bacterius: They certainly are... |
| 12:01:14 | * | vktec 's mind is bent |
| 12:01:16 | vktec | ;) |
| 12:01:24 | * | vktec straightens mind |
| 12:01:28 | * | vktec is back to normal |
| 12:02:05 | fredrik92 | bacterius, I don't doubt it... But the C# Marshaler is pretty shitty for doing more complex stuff and you don't have compile-time support (not really...) |
| 12:02:41 | fredrik92 | I'd prefer mind-bending codegen abilities anytime! :D |
| 12:04:53 | fredrik92 | Araq, btw, I have started looking into SChannel wrappers for Nim (to replace OpenSSL dependencies) and now that I'm officiellay on holiday until mid-august, I think I can squeeze it into my Private-Fun-projects category :D |
| 12:05:29 | Araq | yay. |
| 12:05:35 | Araq | but I gotta go, bbs |
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| 12:08:41 | bacterius | hmm what's wrong here? |
| 12:09:44 | bacterius | http://pastebin.com/SwqUmyAW |
| 12:10:06 | bacterius | from what I see this macro should produce a literal integer 10 |
| 12:10:17 | bacterius | so I was expecting this to become "const ten = 10" |
| 12:10:32 | bacterius | but it says "value of type 'int literal(10)' has to be discarded" |
| 12:22:58 | EastByte | ls |
| 12:23:00 | EastByte | whoop |
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| 12:47:49 | bacterius | argh what is wrong with this macro |
| 12:49:50 | dom96 | bacterius: try changing ': stmt' to ': expr' |
| 12:53:42 | bacterius | oh.. |
| 12:53:53 | bacterius | that makes more sense |
| 12:53:57 | bacterius | thanks! :) |
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| 13:55:32 | dom96 | fredrik92: what's the problem? |
| 13:56:35 | fredrik92 | everyone leaving and some coming back immediately... I now got a whole screen full of "<xzy> has quit" messages each within a few seconds of each other |
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| 14:03:43 | dom96 | fredrik92: likely one of the IRC servers dying, it happens. |
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| 15:46:05 | rolha | hi everyone |
| 15:46:27 | rolha | I'm starting to learn nim and have a basic question: |
| 15:47:07 | rolha | I'm trying to execute a command with osproc's execProcess as execProcess("dosomething -foo " & $item) inside a loop |
| 15:47:23 | rolha | but I get the error "Error: value of type 'TaintedString' has to be discarded" |
| 15:48:38 | rolha | how can I can I execute it? |
| 15:51:28 | rolha | ah, wow, sorry. sorted :) |
| 15:51:40 | rolha | I hadn't read the discard part of the manual yet |
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| 16:05:45 | dom96 | hello rolha! Welcome to #nim. Glad you got it sorted out :) |
| 16:05:58 | rolha | dom96: thanks! |
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| 18:07:24 | dom96 | TIL Swift has really slow compile times https://twitter.com/kssreeram/status/746759308273029121 |
| 18:13:14 | Araq | dom96: iirc that's the inventor of the Clay programming language |
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| 18:14:15 | dom96 | is it not this guy? https://github.com/jckarter |
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| 18:18:22 | dom96 | (who's now working at Apple on Swift it seems) |
| 18:19:17 | dom96 | Actually, looks like you're right |
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| 18:44:52 | dom96 | hi kssreeram, nice to see you here :) |
| 18:45:03 | kssreeram | Hey |
| 18:45:17 | kssreeram | Just reading about Nim. Looks like a nice language. |
| 18:50:43 | Araq | hi kssreeram, I used to be in #clay ;-) |
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| 18:51:11 | kssreeram | Cool! |
| 18:51:28 | kssreeram | Was Nim around back then? |
| 18:51:32 | Araq | yup |
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| 18:51:59 | kssreeram | Heard about it only today on twitter from dom96. |
| 18:53:29 | kssreeram | Everything I see in Nim looks great.. |
| 18:53:56 | kssreeram | Except for the GC part. Not much of a fan of gc. |
| 18:54:31 | dom96 | Surprised you didn't hear about it, it's been around for a while now. |
| 18:54:50 | kssreeram | This article is a good intro: https://hookrace.net/blog/what-is-special-about-nim/ |
| 18:55:19 | kssreeram | Love the meta programming features. |
| 18:55:34 | kssreeram | Very nice FFI syntax. |
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| 18:58:13 | Araq | kssreeram: well I'm not a fan of destructors ;-) |
| 18:58:25 | kssreeram | Me too! |
| 18:58:34 | dom96 | Indeed, that is a very nice article (thanks def-!) |
| 18:58:47 | Araq | and the GC is "real-time" for some definition of real-time |
| 18:59:04 | kssreeram | Swift has a nice design that avoid destructors. |
| 19:01:15 | kssreeram | But of course, it's lack of any real meta-programming features sucks. |
| 19:01:22 | Araq | you mean the RC'ing memory management? |
| 19:01:22 | dom96 | Interesting. How does it avoid the use of destructors? |
| 19:03:02 | kssreeram | Yeah. RC memory management. So cycles aren't allowed. But it also complete does away with the ugly notion of references (like in C++ or Clay). |
| 19:03:12 | kssreeram | *s/complete/completely/ |
| 19:04:17 | Araq | how can you implement a 'view' on a hash table entry without them? |
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| 19:06:02 | kssreeram | I don't know if you can. |
| 19:06:16 | kssreeram | They do have views on arrays (slices). |
| 19:06:36 | kssreeram | But I like the simplicity that results from these restrictions. |
| 19:08:58 | kssreeram | By "I like", I mean as a target language for a compiler! :) |
| 19:09:40 | kssreeram | It's too painful to directly write code in any language without good meta programming. |
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| 19:14:36 | Araq | kssreeram: alright, well that was what made me add 'var T' (&T) to Nim |
| 19:15:04 | Araq | meta programming but you cannot even implement a hash table properly doesn't feel right ;-) |
| 19:15:21 | Araq | though actually I can now think of alternatives |
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| 19:25:19 | Araq | kssreeram: does Swift do any RC optimizations? |
| 19:25:37 | kssreeram | Their solution is to just make Array/Hashtable etc special that have a bit of magic compiler support. That's pretty reasonable imo. It's not often that we have to implement a hashtable. |
| 19:25:49 | kssreeram | Araq: Yes. They do. |
| 19:26:13 | kssreeram | If they can statically prove lifetime, then the compiler takes advantage of that. |
| 19:27:13 | Araq | any papers that have driven this design? the papers I know are of the sort "too little, too hard" ;-) |
| 19:30:00 | kssreeram | This seems like a work in progress: https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/master/docs/ARCOptimization.rst |
| 19:31:34 | kssreeram | Other files in that directory may be useful. But I don't know. @jckarter on twitter should know if there is anything definitive. |
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| 19:40:10 | Araq | ty |
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| 20:29:25 | PMunch | Hmm as strings in Nim store both the data and length and capacity is there a way to convert a string of known length into a Nim string? |
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| 20:32:13 | PMunch | Oh, RTFM.. |
| 20:32:50 | PMunch | nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-cstring-type: A $ proc is defined for cstring that return a string |
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| 20:55:37 | fowl | That will go until it finds a \0 char |
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