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00:30:58Prestigehm is there no way to get an entry of an OrderedTable by index? Or at least just the first element, without iterating then breaking?
00:31:13leorizeyea, that's not a thing the api supports
00:31:22PrestigeOkay, thanks for the info
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00:51:23PrestigeHm I'm not quite sure what this error is about https://0x0.st/ieu4.png Says it's expecting an OrderedTableRef instead of an OrderedTable? Just trying to use `[]=` to add an entry
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00:55:30nid<flywind> you should use `var tabTable = OrderTable[Tag, ]`.
01:06:10PrestigeSeems to have gotten rid of that error but now nimsuggest is complaining about.. something? On the same line: https://0x0.st/ieuU.png
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01:34:41FromGitter<danielecook> Does anyone have trouble getting `terminal.isatty(stdin)` to work on macos?
01:35:09FromGitter<danielecook> specifically, I'm trying to test whether there is input from stdin
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01:55:32FromGitter<danielecook> To be more specific, `isatty` works fine when I'm working interactively locally, but it fails when I run it within a continuous integration system
01:55:50FromGitter<danielecook> so My guess is there is something about it being non-interactive
01:59:12Prestigeah when trying to compile from the cli I'm seeing more of the error. Hashing issue
02:01:52nid<flywind> User-defined object should define `hash` proc.
02:02:00nid<flywind> https://nim-lang.org/docs/hashes.html
02:02:25nid<flywind> https://nim-lang.org/docs/tables.html#basic-usage-hashing
02:02:47PrestigeThanks, was just reading that :)
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02:35:42PrestigeIs there a way to define an object as, Foo or any object that extends Foo? I might need to just show all the code to explain my situation
02:37:45PrestigeIf anyone is willing to take a look (oop issue), https://github.com/avahe-kellenberger/nimdow/blob/masterstack/src/nimdowpkg/windowmanager.nim#L75
02:37:59PrestigeI'm getting an error on that line: https://0x0.st/ieSq.png
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02:39:00PrestigeIf you look at tag.nim, it has a layout: Layout property. I'm attempting to have "Layout" be somewhat of an interface or base class
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03:31:33nid<Elegant Beef> I could be wrong but i think in nim it makes more sense to have a proc in the base class that you assign on instantiation to the proc you want
03:32:44PrestigeHm maybe I'll try that, I was attempting to follow this example of oop: https://nim-by-example.github.io/oop/
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03:33:21disruptekplease no.
03:33:23nid<Elegant Beef> ah that indicates im wrong
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03:33:43nid<Elegant Beef> Please no who?
03:33:51disruptekplease no oop.
03:34:24nid<Elegant Beef> Dont worry disrupt my objects are all data holders more or less
03:34:36nid<Elegant Beef> 😛
03:34:44nid<Technicae Circuit> Why no oop?
03:35:09nid<Elegant Beef> inb4 "OOP was a mistake"
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03:35:27PrestigeI am not sure another way to implement this than oop, although I pretty much have only done oop in the past
03:36:25nid<Elegant Beef> not making your layouts objects would me a way of not using OOP
03:36:34nid<Elegant Beef> Considering the layouts just a proc really
03:38:40PrestigeI was making them objects so I could also track the other properties of the layout
03:39:35nid<Elegant Beef> Properties of the layout like what?
03:40:01nid<Technicae Circuit> I wonder if someone will implement a more Python-like class system 🤔
03:40:03PrestigeborderWidth, gaps, number of windows in master, etc
03:40:36nid<Elegant Beef> Well those can all be declared inside the body of the nim fille and set by your config
03:40:50nid<Elegant Beef> Idk i generally think globally configured settings make more sense
03:41:34nid<Elegant Beef> I dont see why a layout needs to have gaps and border widths dependant on the object to implement them
03:41:38nid<Elegant Beef> Seems like it's a global state
03:42:12Prestigesome are layout dependent and at runtime, like the number of allowed master windows in a master/stack layout
03:42:56nid<Elegant Beef> Yea idk that doesnt seem like a per layout thing to me but im crazy so
03:43:02Prestigebut yeah gaps and borders may be configured globally
03:43:22Prestigeeh well actually it all should be per layout
03:43:29Prestigeor per tag rather
03:43:42nid<Elegant Beef> Eh, that's weird imo, but im also weird 😛
03:44:28PrestigeAnyway I thought there'd be a way to do this with oop, but am not sure what the error is about
03:44:58nid<Elegant Beef> Seems it could be attempting to call the method for the intended type without casting it
03:47:22Prestigeyeah it doesn't infer the type of this.selectedTag.layout
03:47:32Prestigebut I didn't think it would have to
03:51:14Prestigedisruptek: Is there a way I could track the properties and the doLayout function without using objects?
03:51:37disruptekjust use a type for the layout and then run some code on it.
03:53:46PrestigeHow would I have mutliple layouts conforming to the same function signature? Each Tag has to have a layout with some properties
03:56:16disruptekuse variant objects.
03:57:31nid<KingDarBoja> That's Nim strength
03:58:18nid<KingDarBoja> OOP is a headache on Nim 😄 You can make it work but need to be careful
03:58:24*nid <KingDarBoja> very careful
03:59:53disruptekit's never worthwhile.
04:00:06PrestigeOh that's very interesting, thanks
04:02:43disrupteki'd say the strengths in data structures are case objs, enums, and sets.
04:03:11disruptekthey all compose together nicely.
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04:09:02FromGitter<bung87> ``` echo s.readAll ⏎ echo s.data``` ⏎ ⏎ the StringStream readAll return empty? [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5ea7ac5d40f3430813c6673f]
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04:56:07nid<Technicae Circuit> How do I cross compile Nim?
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05:40:37FromGitter<awr1> elaborate
05:40:55FromGitter<awr1> cross compile the Nim compiler?
05:40:59FromGitter<awr1> or some nim code?
05:41:25FromGitter<awr1> https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html#cross-compilation
05:42:23FromGitter<awr1> alternatively if you want the simple way of doing things, consider installing zig and using nim's new `zig cc` backend
05:42:35FromGitter<awr1> https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replacement-gcc-clang.html
05:42:46FromGitter<awr1> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13757
05:44:32FromGitter<awr1> @danielecook try `isatty` from the posix module instead of the terminal one and see if any diff
05:45:33FromGitter<awr1> if there is no diff your assumption is probably correct
05:50:09FromGitter<awr1> nim OOP philosophy is to not design your programs around OOP in general but rather to use OOP as a tool only where most appropriate
05:56:11nid<Technicae Circuit> Thanks
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06:45:16nid<cgarciae> Hey, I am new to nim coming from Python!
06:45:16nid<cgarciae> Try to do some basic integration using nimpy but I get this error afters `i|port nimpy` saying that the `pyInitLibPath` when I do
06:45:16nid<cgarciae>
06:45:17nid<cgarciae> ```
06:45:17nid<cgarciae> import nimpy
06:45:17nid<cgarciae> pyInitLibPath("some/path")
06:45:19nid<cgarciae> ```
06:45:19nid<cgarciae>
06:45:21nid<cgarciae> but its clearly in the repo: https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy/blob/90ae3899c269643f0cb5ca968869500afe617b7e/nimpy/py_lib.nim#L459
06:45:22nid<cgarciae>
06:45:24nid<cgarciae>
06:45:25nid<cgarciae> I added nimpy to the .nimble file like this:
06:45:27nid<cgarciae>
06:45:28nid<cgarciae> ```
06:45:30nid<cgarciae> requires "https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy"
06:45:31nid<cgarciae> ```
06:45:32nid<cgarciae>
06:45:34nid<cgarciae> Is it possible its using and older version of nimpy?
06:46:49nid<cgarciae> Hey, I am new to nim coming from Python!
06:46:49nid<cgarciae> Try to do some basic integration using nimpy but I get this error afters `import nimpy` saying that the `pyInitLibPath` when I do
06:46:49nid<cgarciae>
06:46:49nid<cgarciae> ```
06:46:50nid<cgarciae> import nimpy
06:46:50nid<cgarciae> pyInitLibPath("some/path")
06:46:51nid<cgarciae> ```
06:46:51nid<cgarciae>
06:46:54nid<cgarciae> but its clearly in the repo: https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy/ version of nimpy?
06:48:13nid<cgarciae> Hey, I am new to nim coming from Python!
06:48:13nid<cgarciae> Try to do some basic integration using nimpy but I get this error afters `import nimpy` saying that the `pyInitLibPath` when I do
06:48:13nid<cgarciae>
06:48:13nid<cgarciae> ```
06:48:13nid<cgarciae> import nimpy
06:48:14nid<cgarciae> pyInitLibPath("some/path")
06:48:15nid<cgarciae> ```
06:48:15nid<cgarciae>
06:48:17nid<cgarciae> but its clearly in the repo: https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy/
06:48:18nid<cgarciae>
06:48:20nid<cgarciae> Is it possible its using an older version of nimpy? Does nimble use a cache?
06:50:22nid<cgarciae> Hey, I am new to nim coming from Python!
06:50:22nid<cgarciae> I'm trying to do some basic integration using nimpy but I get this error afters `import nimpy` saying that the `pyInitLibPath` doesn't exists. When I do
06:50:23nid<cgarciae>
06:50:25nid<cgarciae> ```
06:50:26nid<cgarciae> import nimpy
06:50:27nid<cgarciae> pyInitLibPath("some/path")
06:50:29nid<cgarciae> ```
06:50:30nid<cgarciae>
06:50:32nid<cgarciae> ts clearly in the repo: https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy/
06:50:33nid<cgarciae>
06:50:35nid<cgarciae> Is it possible its using an older version of nimpy? Does nimble use a cache?
06:53:01solitudesfplease, dont edit long messages on discord, this is how it looks for people in irc http://ix.io/2jRZ
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06:58:18nid<Technicae Circuit> Oof
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07:06:27FromGitter<awr1> doesn't look like `pyInitLibPath` is exposed in the main nimpy module
07:06:58FromGitter<awr1> try `import nimpy / py_lib`
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07:08:45FromGitter<awr1> @cgarciae
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07:15:32nid<Technicae Circuit> ^^ @cgarciae ^^
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08:04:27FromGitter<Vindaar> @pigmej Sorry, wasn't around anymore yesterday. Not sure how much of that is due to how its set up, but you may be right
08:06:11PMunchWait, is nid the new Discord bot?
08:06:48PMunchHmm, feature request: copy the bold username feature of the Gitter bot. Makes it easier to distinguish what the message is
08:07:08PMunchDoesn't have to be bold, but just something else than normal text
08:12:17Araqhttps://forum.nim-lang.org/t/5734#38665
08:16:03leorize[m]PMunch: it's not new, Yardanico just renamed it
08:16:18PMunchOh, so it's still the old FromDiscord?
08:16:27PMunchAnd not the new one he'se been working on?
08:16:47leorizethat one is nl, and it's running offtopic
08:16:53PMunchRight
08:17:07PMunchAraq, "shipping in 1.2" isn't that the current release?
08:17:29leorizeI don't know why we switched to short names like this :P
08:18:30leorizePMunch: yea, arc and sink inference is in 1.2
08:18:48PMunchleorize, someone mentioned the names got a bit long on mobile
08:18:50leorizethe new orc that actually works is not in 1.2 though
08:19:41PMunchI guess I was just confused by the -ing
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08:22:05leorize[m]now we just need some numbers from orc vs arc vs refc :)
08:23:32leorize[m]if orc is working well then maybe it's the ultimate solution to nimsuggest leaking problems
08:24:35Araqleorize[m], I doubt it, nimsuggest has logical leaks that no GC can help you with
08:24:54AraqI could be wrong though, we should try --gc:boehm for nimsuggest
08:25:30PMunchUgh, I'm so annoyed about all these Corona tracking apps. Like FFS, it wouldn't be that hard to create an app that just records the data and keeps it locally on the phone.
08:25:48AraqI can give you my 'havlak' benchmark numbers, it's 0.7s for --gc:arc vs 1.0s for --gc:orc
08:25:56Araqall the other GCs are slower
08:26:07Araq(all about 1.4s)
08:26:07PMunchSlower? Neat!
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08:26:45Araqbut --gc:arc never frees the cycles and the other GCs are forced via GC_fullCollect
08:26:56Araqso --gc:arc is cheating
08:27:22leorize[m]what happens if you use thinout w arc?
08:27:28PMunchWait, you run --gc:arc and then manually start another GC at the same time?
08:27:58leorize[m]if that's slower than orc then orc is the next default?
08:27:59Araqleorize[m], didn't try but it should be about 0.75s - 0.8s with thinout
08:31:00leorize[m]what will {.acyclic.} do with orc? is it gonna turn off cycle collecting for that type?
08:31:58Araqyes
08:32:12Araq(already implemented)
08:33:16leorize[m]can it be inferred for simple objects? I wouldn't want to add acyclic to 90% of my ref objects? :p
08:34:13Araqit is inferred too but 'ref's design throws in a spanner
08:34:46Araqtype Node = ref object le, ri: Node # cyclic in principle
08:37:14leorize[m]sounds like orc can be the reasonable default
08:38:08AraqI still think that --gc:arc is what the library ecosystem should focus on and --gc:orc is for applications
08:39:51leorize[m]so are we ever gonna see thinout() hints? :p
08:40:42Araqthinout doesn't work with async and requires the same =trace proc generation mechanism
08:41:00Araqso far it's not a winning design
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08:44:04Araqanyhow to improve the performance in the realworld further we need "scope based destruction"
08:44:19Araqit's the biggest Todo on my list
08:44:40Zevvyeah, that one was also trivial I heard
08:47:27Araqit isn't :P
08:47:52Araqbut maybe if I implement it via another separate optimization pass
08:58:24Araqnarimiran, do not backport https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/14147 I made a mistake
08:58:36narimiranok
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10:13:00PMunchHmm, is there any reason why "choosenim devel" doesn't have this PR in it? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/14137
10:14:32FromGitter<Vindaar> @PMunch: for some reason choosenim doesn't always give you the most recent devel. I noticed that the other day on travis
10:16:45PMunchHmm, well that's annoying..
10:17:19PMunchOh right: "Updates to the most recent nightly build of Nim."
10:17:29PMunchAnd: The '--latest' flag updates and builds the latest commit in the devel branch
10:18:18narimiranPMunch: i think it gives you the latest nightly release
10:18:34narimiranoh, you already answered it yourself :)
10:21:19PMunchOkay, so I'm doing a docker container, and currently I need that PR so I do `RUN CHOOSENIM_CHOOSE_VERSION="devel --latest" ./choosenim-init.sh` is there a better way to easily install a specific version of Nim?
10:21:31PMunchWithout pulling in too much stuff that must be cleaned out afterwards?
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10:35:47narimiranbtw, PMunch, if you want to add more packages to the playground: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/e1dab59d469bc74b719cdaf90f89c08268e3d979
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10:49:41PMunchnarimiran, care to make a PR?
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11:30:13nid<arnetheduck> @Araq - https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13908 ?
11:32:51AraqI hoped to see more up-/downvotes, I'm fine with doing what the majority says in this case
11:34:25nid<Varriount> Araq: I'll comment later today.
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11:40:57PMunchWith what timotheecour suggests, what would happen if I use a library that depends on an error being catchable, but I define it as a panic?
11:41:14PMunchIs that a compile-time error, or will it just never throw and crash instead?
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12:03:25dom96PMunch, does choosenim not make that clear in the messages? that it's installing latest nightly?
12:03:45PMunchHaha, it does, as soon as I read the --help :P
12:04:09PMunchHas it always been that way though? I seem to remember it always pulling the latest commit before
12:04:28dom96no, it should say when using `update devel`
12:04:54dom96something like "Warning: latest commit hasn't been built yet, if you want to compile it yourself us --latest"
12:05:13dom96no, it hasn't. This is new behaviour since choosenim started using nightly builds
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12:06:56PMunchAh right, so this will only affect people who are used to old versions, not a big issue. And it probably did say that, but it got lost in the long log from Docker
12:07:34PMunchAgain, just an issue with me assuming that I knew how choosenim worked, not something that needs to be fixed really :)
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12:09:45AraqPMunch: it's neither but it should 'crash' instead
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12:10:28PMunchWell yeah, but if that is some odd seldom event that the library "guarantee" will never crash your program
12:10:32livcdAre there any serious streamers on Twitch? Besides disruptek that is
12:10:46PMunchlivcd, define serious streamer?
12:11:10livcdPMunch: like a less evil version of disruptek
12:11:39dom96PMunch, well if you get confused, it's likely others will too. This is on me though, shashlick wanted a different command for installing the nightlies. I didn't consider the Travis use case (from a user perspective a slightly old nightly shouldn't make much of a difference)
12:12:07dom96livcd, hahha, you can follow me d0m96. Although I haven't streamed in a long time
12:12:48livcddom96: were not you the one encouraging him? :P https://www.twitch.tv/videos/599327882
12:13:11dom96hrm?
12:14:18livcdto visit other channels and ask about building adobe premiere :D
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12:14:50dom96what? I don't recall doing that
12:15:32PMunchdom96, I mean it's a super edge-case where running a nightly vs. the latest commit would make much of a difference
12:16:20PMunchAnd the only people affected are those who have used choosenim in the past and is not aware of the change (otherwise they would read the --help message to make sure they did it right).
12:17:34PMunchlivcd, I've also streamed a bit. But I haven't done any either lately
12:17:44PMunchMight stream some WM development soon though
12:17:48nid<arnetheduck> @Araq I see 6 upvotes but no downvotes - just don't want to go on a refactoring bout if it's not going to get merged
12:18:14nid<arnetheduck> well, you didn't vote so 😉
12:18:45nid<arnetheduck> and naming them is the least bad solution I can think of
12:19:15dom96oh, is nid the new bridge
12:19:34dom96Why such an obscure name? Yardanico?
12:19:59nid<arnetheduck> on a different note, we'll be doing a security audit of nimbus at some point in the not too distant future - got an eta for 1.2.2 ?
12:20:02livcddom96: because it read better on mobile with a short nickname
12:20:06Yardanico@dom96 it's not the new bridge yet :P
12:20:08livcdit reads(
12:20:47dom96IRC on mobile is poor anyway
12:20:54dom96I'd rather know where the messages are coming from :)
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12:24:02nid<mratsim> Note that for 1.2.2 we should make sure that this devel regression doesn't happen https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/14136
12:24:45nid<mratsim> Though I don't see any 1.2.x backport branch?
12:25:17Yardanicoit's https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/tree/version-1-2 ?
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12:29:14nid<mratsim> Ah, I didn't see backport on the commits
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12:32:14narimiranleorize, leorize[m] ping
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12:41:07l1xhi folks, how do I read into a buffer in nim using asyncnet?
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12:41:44PMunchhttps://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncnet.html#recvInto%2CAsyncSocket%2Cpointer%2Cint
12:41:51PMunchl1x ^
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12:50:52l1xPMunch: thanks
12:51:01l1xi guess i am not sure about the syntax
12:51:56l1xif you have server = newSocket(..) and i want to server.sendTo(...) i get Error: expression 'sendTo(server, address, Port(port), "A")' has no type (or is ambiguous)
12:52:26l1xif I type hint all the parameters than i get type mismatch: got <Socket>
12:52:27l1xbut expected one of: proc sendTo(socket: Socket; address: string; port: Port; data: string)
12:52:27l1xproc sendTo....
12:52:41Yardanicoare you calling sendTo in some other proc?
12:52:50Yardanicoand if no, do you use "discard" for it?
12:53:13l1xhttps://gist.github.com/l1x/d5114a14a4d256d939c6f1ab61270a62
12:53:27Yardanicono "discard" for sendTo
12:53:35Yardanicoalso that's now how you specify arguments
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12:54:31PMunchThe problem is that sendTo doesn't return anything
12:54:37Yardanicol1x: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jTg
12:54:39PMunchSo you try to discard nothing, which doesn't work
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12:57:22l1xahh, makes sense
12:57:28l1xYardanico: thanks!
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12:59:21Yardanicol1x: also in your program you're using the synchronous version of net, not the async one
12:59:43l1xYardanico: one step at a time, i am just learning the syntax for now :)
12:59:51Yardanicoah ok, there's a simple example here https://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncnet.html#examples-chat-server
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13:06:46dom96PMunch> https://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncnet.html#recvInto%2CAsyncSocket%2Cpointer%2Cint
13:06:50dom96please don't recommend these APIs
13:06:53dom96they're dangerous
13:07:04dom96avoid `pointer` as much as you can
13:07:21dom96I'm fighting to deprecate these
13:07:41PMunchWell, he asked how to read into a buffer
13:08:13PMunchBut yeah, l1x please don't do that if you can avoid it
13:09:04l1xok
13:09:15l1xwhat should you read into then?
13:09:46dom96what's the protocol?
13:09:51l1xlets say you want to implement a DNS server, the requests are 512b data, what is the type you would ideally use for that
13:10:13dom96you can put binary data into `string`
13:10:25dom96just use https://nim-lang.org/docs/asyncnet.html#recv%2CAsyncSocket%2Cint
13:10:26PMunchHmm, is there a way to read a maximum?
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13:10:35PMunchAh..
13:10:42l1xi bet i can, but that is the proper way of doing that?
13:10:50dom96yes
13:11:05l1xin erlang i would describe the dns protocol with binary matching
13:11:13PMunchYou can do that afterwards
13:11:36PMunchI mean you could cast it to an object of the right size
13:11:52PMunchBut you probably shouldn't do that either :P
13:11:54l1x#dns_rec{header=#dns_header{},qdlist=[#dns_query{domain=Domain,type=ptr,class=in}]}
13:11:59l1xsomething like that
13:12:16l1xor even call our the raw binary version
13:12:18PMunchAh, maybe binaryparse could help you?
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13:13:02dom96maybe you could write a nice library that emulates the erlang behaviour? :D
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13:14:17FromGitter<alehander92> binary matching is very cool
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13:14:25FromGitter<alehander92> but i think one can indeed write a macro library
13:14:33FromGitter<alehander92> or extend a pattern matching library to do it
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13:15:46FromGitter<alehander92> or yeah `binaryparse` does look like a different version of that concept
13:16:02l1xdom96: alright, i thought you have something like that in Nim already
13:16:16FromGitter<alehander92> https://github.com/PMunch/binaryparse or also https://github.com/OpenSystemsLab/struct.nim (if its something like python's struct)
13:16:23dom96there are likely packages for this kind of thing
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13:17:17PMunchPretty much the exact thing I wrote binaryparse for: https://github.com/PMunch/binaryparse/blob/master/binaryparse.nim#L687
13:17:42FromGitter<alehander92> PMunch you really need to put some short examples in the readme
13:17:48PMunchYeah I know..
13:18:09Yardanicoalso there's nesm
13:18:12FromGitter<alehander92> api + docs is very useful, but its much much slower to understand
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13:19:31Yardanicoweird now bold messages suddenly work :D
13:19:36Yardanico(I'm testing in #nim-test)
13:21:12l1xalexander92: thanks!
13:21:31l1xPMunch: thanks too!
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13:27:49FromGitter<alehander92> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995466 disruptek Araq
13:27:55FromGitter<alehander92> it might be interesting to compare
13:28:27FromGitter<alehander92> rust-analyzer's approaches for IC to the nim ones (it seems they also tried different stuff starting from RLS until getting to here)
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14:01:28zacharycarterI'm still trying to figure out why my program is getting hung up at `popSafePoint()` at the end of my thread's execution
14:01:31FromGitter<iffy> Does the `times` module include a way to get the hour value of a DateTime as an int/natural number? or am I stuck with `x.format("h").parseInt()`
14:04:57narimiranhttps://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/times.html#DateTime
14:05:09narimiran`myDateTime.hour` doesn't work?
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14:05:37nid<Recruit_main707> how can i make an string readonly but public in an object?
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14:22:55nid<mratsim> make the object a "let"
14:23:22nid<Recruit_main707> but the other fields should not be readonly
14:24:03dom96leave the field private and create an accessor proc
14:24:32nid<Recruit_main707> ok
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14:57:10zacharycarterso I've isolated the issue in my program to context switching on a non-main thread
14:58:05zacharycarterseems to work fine on the main thread though
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14:58:43zacharycarterI guess I can try just using pthread functions and not use Nim's threads
14:58:48zacharycarterand see if that fixes the issue
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15:00:16zacharycarterI wonder though if Araq might have any idea why this is the case though
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15:16:21Yardanicois there a way to make a template accept optiona openArray[tuple[k, v: string]] ?
15:16:51Yardanicooptional*
15:18:06disruptektwo templates?
15:18:11YardanicoI guess so
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15:19:13disrupteki'm trying to get my nvidia card to do the stream encoding but i guess it's just too ambitious.
15:19:21Yardanicoit's actually pretty easy
15:19:39Yardanicoif you mean nvenc
15:20:52disrupteki'm trying to record from a radeon and encode on an nvidia.
15:21:07Yardanicooh
15:21:12Yardanicogood luck
15:27:21FromGitter<iffy> narimiran: thank you! I forgot to look at the type def (I was scrolling through the procs only)
15:27:46narimirannp :)
15:31:32nid<Recruit_main707> should this code work? also with arc i get a c compile error and without it i get it at nim compile error:
15:31:32nid<Recruit_main707> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jUk
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15:33:46shashlickfixed the nimterop bug that was bothering non-nimble users
15:33:52shashlickany takes for testing?
15:35:32nid<clyybber> oh nice
15:35:52disrupteki will mess with it today; nim.cfg branch still?
15:36:12shashlickyes
15:36:21shashlickfixed it for wrappers and toast standalone
15:36:27disruptekawesome.
15:36:31disruptekgood job, dude.
15:36:42shashlickit will detect the cfg and works for v1.2.0+
15:36:52disrupteknot 1.0?
15:37:02shashlicksince before that, there's no `std/compilesettings` nor sufficient info in `nim dump`
15:37:18disruptekthat pr needs backporting.
15:37:20FromGitter<kaushalmodi> shashlick: Does it require creating a `nim.cfg`? What should that file contain?
15:37:26shashlickfor 1.0, nimcache works, and any explicit `--parth`
15:37:28FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Where should that file be placed?
15:37:42shashlickkaushalmodi - just per usual how your project needs, if at all
15:37:51FromGitter<kaushalmodi> I don't use any nim.cfg
15:38:25shashlickthen if you are using cli flags, those will get picked up by the wrapper and forwarded
15:38:43shashlickonly nimcache, nimblePath and --path are covered
15:39:48FromGitter<kaushalmodi> I do `nim --clearNimblePath --NimblePath:/custom/nimble/dir/ some_wrapper_doing_nimterop_cimport.nim`
15:40:04shashlickwill work
15:40:06FromGitter<kaushalmodi> So that case should Just Work?
15:40:08FromGitter<kaushalmodi> awesome
15:40:11shashlickplease try though
15:40:17FromGitter<kaushalmodi> will do
15:41:23nid<Yardanico> @Recruit_main707 "type ClientThreadArgs = tuple[packet: var string, response: var string]" I don't know if this is supposed to be valid
15:41:30shashlickalso while you are here @kaushalmodi, please test your wrappers with -f:ast2 - new backend
15:41:51nid<Recruit_main707> @Yardanico it seems like its not, im trying with pointers
15:41:59Yardanicoyeah you need pointers for threads
15:43:35Yardanicoand on 1.2.0 arc doesn't have some thread fixes it does on devel
15:43:39YardanicoI'll try to adapt it for arc
15:43:55FromGitter<kaushalmodi> shashlick: I git pulled, switched branch, `nimble install` and got: ⏎ ⏎ > /home/kmodi/sandbox/nim/nimterop/nimterop/getters.nim(5, 16) Error: cannot open file: compiler/ast
15:44:32shashlickwhat version of nim
15:44:35FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Should I revisit the nimterop README on how to build from git?
15:44:38shashlickOS
15:44:41FromGitter<kaushalmodi> nim 1.3.1
15:44:44FromGitter<kaushalmodi> RHEL 6.8
15:44:48shashlickthat should work
15:44:53FromGitter<kaushalmodi> hmm ..
15:44:58shashlickdoes the config.nims have --path:"$nim"
15:46:00FromGitter<kaushalmodi> full trace: http://ix.io/2jUn/text
15:47:01shashlickdo you have a `compiler` directory in your Nim folder
15:48:45FromGitter<kaushalmodi> duh :facepalm: of course not
15:48:49FromGitter<kaushalmodi> ```./ ⏎ ├── bin/ ⏎ ├── config/ ⏎ ├── doc/ ⏎ └── lib/``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5ea85061d898fe7a3751fc7f]
15:49:08FromGitter<kaushalmodi> so far, my locally deployment of nim had just these and it worked fine
15:49:20FromGitter<kaushalmodi> .. will deploy compiler too
15:51:03shashlickya don't deny us of the compiler code 😄
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15:55:38FromGitter<kaushalmodi> +1 ⏎ ⏎ > Success: nimterop installed successfully.
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15:56:55shashlickpeace, step 2
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16:00:08disruptekshashlick: i cannot `nimble build` or `nimble test` in ~nimterop.
16:00:39disruptek~stream
16:00:40disbotstream: 11https://twitch.tv/disruptek (live video/audio) and mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/ (live voice chat) -- disruptek
16:00:40shashlickwhat's the error
16:00:56shashlicknot able to join now 😞
16:00:56disruptekoserr.nim(94) raiseOSError
16:00:56disruptekError: unhandled exception: Permission denied
16:00:57disruptekAdditional info: "/home/adavidoff/.nimble/pkgs" [OSError]
16:01:21disruptektoday only: lua embedding fails.
16:01:48shashlickuhh, not enough info there
16:02:26disruptekit wants to do something to pkgs.
16:02:34disrupteknot enough permissions to do so.
16:02:41shashlickhow about just `nim c nimterop/toast`
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16:02:54shashlickthat's cause of nimble wanting to setup deps probably
16:03:48shashlickyou need to put deps somewhere and then `nim c --nimblePath:deps nimterop/toast`
16:04:17shashlickor `mkdir deps` then `nimble install -d --nimblePath:deps`
16:04:21disrupteki'm in a deps folder, so that should be fine.
16:05:38FromGitter<kaushalmodi> shashlick: I will continue with step 2 later today because to reproduce the issue I posted earlier, I need to locally undo the hacks in Makefile I deploy at work
16:05:51shashlickokay no problem, thanks
16:06:04narimiranshashlick: regarding https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12860 - yeah, i already fixed one package, and i think it might affect nimterop too
16:06:05disbot➥ Undefine `paramCount` & `paramStr` in nimscript.nim for *.nims
16:06:47narimiran(or some other package of yours, i don't remember exactly)
16:06:51disruptekshashlick: http://ix.io/2jRr
16:07:00shashlicknarimiran: yes i made a fix to docs.nim - https://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/blob/nimcfg/nimterop/docs.nim#L5
16:07:19disruptekhttp://ix.io/2jUv/nim
16:07:46shashlicksame as before - somehow the plugin isn't getting compiled but execAction doesn't fail
16:07:57shashlickcan you find the plugin error you found earlier
16:08:06shashlickcould try a manual compile and see what the output is
16:08:42disruptekthat /is/ a manual compile.
16:08:51disrupteknot sure what you mean, i guess.
16:09:11shashlicklast time you had sent another paste with the plugin script filename
16:09:16shashlickand the cfg file that was generated
16:09:29disruptekthe second link i sent is the plugin script.
16:09:40disruptekwhere do i find the nim.cfg that was generated?
16:09:58shashlicksame temp plugin filename + ".cfg"
16:10:16disruptekhttp://ix.io/2jRu/cfg
16:10:18shashlickcan you try compiling - nim c --app:lib /path/to/plugin.nim
16:10:42shashlickbefore that
16:10:48shashlickcan you check if libplugfilename.so exists
16:10:54shashlickat the same location
16:11:21disrupteknope.
16:11:53disruptekthat built.
16:12:36shashlickhmm
16:12:44shashlickcan you edit nimterop/getters.nim
16:12:45shashlickhttps://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/blob/nimcfg/nimterop/getters.nim#L735
16:12:51shashlickjust echo the output of execAction
16:12:56shashlickwondering what's going on
16:13:07shashlickand delete the cache or run with -f
16:13:21disrupteknimble cannot parse your .nimble
16:14:25shashlickyou on devel?
16:15:30shashlickif you are seeing a paramStr/Count error and are on devel, need to recompile koch and then koch tools
16:15:36shashlicksame link narimiran just sent above
16:15:48shashlickissue is fixed in this branch but need nimble fix as well
16:16:16narimiranshashlick, disruptek: i think i've hit that issue when trying to test `nimph`
16:16:42narimirani don't know exactly anymore cause in last 2 days i've tested lots of packages, and it all got mixed up
16:17:39disrupteki'm not on /that/ recent of a devel.
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16:43:20FromGitter<kaushalmodi> shashlick: ⏎ ⏎ In `nimterop.nimble`: ⏎ ⏎ > requires "nim >= 0.20.2", "regex#v0.13.1", "cligen >= 0.9.43" [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5ea85d28b6dd230697919a6b]
16:43:40nid<arnetheduck> shashlick btw - you did some callback handling updates based on ast2 - is that gonna make it into a release?
16:43:41FromGitter<kaushalmodi> can you change the regex dependency to `regex >= 0.13.1`
16:44:13FromGitter<kaushalmodi> I was curious why that one package installed in a dir with `#` in its name
16:49:26shashlick@kaushalmodi - had a bug in regex, got fixed, i should update the dep
16:50:09shashlick@arnetheduck: what do you mean by callback handling?
16:53:14FromGitter<kaushalmodi> shashlick: I was just commenting on the fact that if you have `regex >= 0.13.1` instead of `regex#v0.13.1`, I won't get a dir name with `#` char in it
16:56:35nid<arnetheduck> shasklick, the `proc`-as-parameter fix (for sqlite for example)
16:59:10nid<arnetheduck> Araq - https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13908 looks ready to me except for some weird macos ssl build thing
16:59:11disbot➥ Error -> Defect for defects
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17:08:43shashlick@arnetheduck - oh the one marked as fixed - https://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/issues/156
17:08:45disbot➥ Pointer to function pointer is not handled correctly
17:08:47shashlickyes it is fixed in ast2
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17:10:48nid<arnetheduck> yeah, but 0.4.4 doesn't include that fix (I'm using a locked release version in an attempt to get at least some of the code at a fixed version, even if nimble screws that up)
17:13:35shashlickyes I haven't tagged a release yet since i'm still fixing various issues
17:14:09shashlickits in #head for now but i hope to get a release out in a next few days, if not weeks
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17:35:04FromGitter<keslerm> could anyone point me in how to read lines from a constant pipe? it's multiple lines and for each line i need to do some work on it
17:35:16FromGitter<keslerm> i've tried a couple things but can't get it to do more than 1 line and then stop
17:37:02Yardanicowdym by "constant pipe?
17:37:17FromGitter<keslerm> sorry, i'm piping from a program that outputs a line every 10 seconds or so
17:37:24FromGitter<keslerm> but it doesnt terminate, just keeps outputting data
17:37:48FromGitter<keslerm> so it needs to read the line, process then wait for the next one
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18:01:18FromGitter<keslerm> you know what, my code was fine - it looks like httpclient is blocking when posting to influxdb
18:03:51Yardanicowell unless you use async version of httpclient, it will block of course
18:03:59Yardanicountil the request is finished
18:05:14FromGitter<keslerm> it should complete, wireshark shows a 204 response from influx
18:06:52Yardanicocan you share code? maybe you're blocking somewhere else
18:08:18FromGitter<keslerm> https://gist.github.com/keslerm/078b0e02bc8ade1166df50362a4a9e90
18:12:02Yardanicoso it blocks on client.request or what?
18:12:14Yardanicocan you add some "echo" statements before and after client.request
18:12:28FromGitter<keslerm> it blocks on client.request
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18:13:05FromGitter<keslerm> i updated the gist with the stacktrace nim outputs when i hit ctrl+c
18:13:38FromGitter<keslerm> which is it sitting around readIntoBuf/uniRecv
18:14:25leorize[m]httpclient is blocking
18:14:35leorize[m]you need to use asynchttpclient
18:14:39Yardanicoleorize[m]: well in kase of @keslerm for him it hangs
18:14:40leorize[m](it's in the same module)
18:15:03Yardanicoin wireshark the server returns a 204 response but client.request is still active
18:15:14FromGitter<keslerm> it should block in this case, but it should also be complete, influx is returning a 204
18:15:19Yardanicodoes httpclient handle 204 correctly btw? hm
18:16:16FromGitter<keslerm> when i route the httpclient through charles http proxy it seems to complete the request fine
18:17:46FromGitter<keslerm> i added the raw header i see in charles to the gist
18:20:57leorizedo we have a thread safe ring buffer in nim?
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18:22:31Yardanicocool, https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13908 got merged
18:22:32disbot➥ Error -> Defect for defects
18:26:36nid<Rika> so is that gonna be slated for nim 2?
18:26:45nid<Rika> it looks like a big breaking change
18:26:47Yardanico no?
18:26:51Yardanicoit's not a breaking change at all
18:26:56Yardanicoyou can still use the deprecated error names
18:27:04YardanicoDefects were around for much longer
18:27:18nid<Rika> ah, okay
18:27:25nid<Rika> i thought the older names were totally removed
18:28:45Yardaniconah
18:28:56Yardanicoeven before 1.0 it was really really rare for something to get straight up "removed"
18:29:14Yardanicothere always was some deprecation
18:29:27Yardanicoyou can still find some deprecated stuff from years ago
18:29:27nid<Rika> so 1.4?
18:29:35Yardanico1.2.2 maybe
18:29:38Yardanicobut probably 1.4
18:36:10nid<Yardanico> and about uncommon modules - @Rika did you know https://nim-lang.org/docs/strmisc.html exists? 😄
18:37:00nid<Yardanico> or https://nim-lang.org/docs/smtp.html (although I wonder why this is in stdlib, I agree with dom that modules like this and the FTP module shouldn't be in stdlib)
18:37:26nid<Rika> yes about strmisc
18:37:30nid<Rika> no about smtp
18:37:40nid<Yardanico> asyncftpclient
18:37:50nid<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/colors.html
18:37:57nid<Rika> why'd you ping me over this, but i appreciate it, i like learning about std modules i dont know of
18:38:00nid<Rika> i know that too
18:38:05nid<Rika> colors i know but havent learned
18:40:02FromGitter<keslerm> looks like influx is not returning Connection: keep-alive, i think maybe it has something to do with casing since going through charles sets it to `keep-alive` but nim uses `Keep-Alive`
18:40:23FromGitter<keslerm> setting `Connection: close` seems to resolve it anyway
18:40:59Yardanicohmm maybe a regression of https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13968 ?
18:41:00disbot➥ Add the ability to pass title case headers to an HTTP server
18:41:04Yardanicoah wait you're on 1.2 so no
18:43:58FromGitter<keslerm> yeah actually it doesnt look like influx returns connection at all, i think charles was putting it in (and not the first time charles has "fixed" the issue transparently with something)
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18:54:17nid<cgarciae> Hey, I am new to nim. I am amazed by the parallel and spawn primitives, so simple compared to Python!
18:54:17nid<cgarciae> I've noticed there is the threadpool and weave modules, which one is the most recommended right now?
18:56:03zacharycarterI don't think threadpool has any load balancing
18:56:10zacharycarterweave is an entire runtime and isn't just a threadpool
18:56:18zacharycarteralso weave doesn't yet work with `--gc:arc`
18:58:01Araqwhat's required to make it work with --gc:arc?
18:58:26nid<cgarciae> Seems weave is new and has more features but sounded as if it was still experimental.
18:58:53nid<cgarciae> So I wanted to know what the community is using.
19:00:00zacharycarterAraq: 1) the bugs reported related to exceptions, threads and `--gc:arc`
19:00:52leorize[m]cgarciae: weave is better than threadpool in every aspect
19:01:27Araqzacharycarter, issue number?
19:01:32zacharycarter2) something about pointers and I don't remember what - mratsim: can you fill us in here?
19:02:09leorize[m]Araq: mratsim tagged them all
19:02:15leorize[m]just search by label
19:02:30zacharycarterhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13936
19:02:31disbot➥ Simple channels with --gc:arc
19:10:14nid<cgarciae> Thanks!
19:10:14nid<cgarciae> Side note: weave reminds me of erlang /elixir, any benchmarks?
19:10:15nid<cgarciae> Side note 2: just saw in 0.13 there was an actors module, is this still a thing?
19:15:59Yardanicosee https://github.com/mratsim/weave/tree/master/benchmarks for benchmarks maybe?
19:21:25leorizecgarciae: we phased actors out
19:25:05nid<Chiqqum_Ngbata> Wonder if it's possible to represent this monstrosity in nim https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/481ed297d900af0ce395f6ca8975903b76a5a59e/include/uapi/linux/io_uring.h#L17-L61
19:25:29leorizeyes
19:26:26nid<Chiqqum_Ngbata> How do you deal with the anonymous unions?
19:26:41leorizecreate non anonymous versions of them
19:26:55leorizethen refer to them in the main object
19:27:06Yardanicoyeah, c2nim usually generated INNER_UNION_XXX objects for anonymous unions like that
19:27:55nid<Chiqqum_Ngbata> I've tried that and, predictably `attempting to call undeclared routine: 'off=`
19:27:59shashlickyay nested structs
19:28:10leorizenow with type section macros we can make it look kinda nice too
19:28:25leorizeChiqqum_Ngbata: yea you'll have to define some templates
19:33:58leorizeAraq: do you have any tips for implementing a thread-safe buffer for files/pipes?
19:35:05nid<Recruit_main707> params.response[][0] != "!"
19:35:05nid<Recruit_main707> how can i convert that len 1 string into a char?
19:35:11Yardanico'!'
19:35:22leorizewell compare it with a char :P
19:35:41Yardanicoin most compiled languages chars are single quotes, strings are double-quotes AFAIK
19:35:58Yardanicoactually not just compiled, most languages which have a distinction between an ascii character and a string
19:37:30nid<Recruit_main707> right, a bit tricky imo, i guess thats what happens when you come from python
19:37:45leorizenot that tricky, though I can understand
19:38:31leorizein the strongly typed land pascal is an example of not having this distinction
19:39:09YardanicoI wonder if there's an easy way to compare two types for equality?
19:39:13Yardanicolike "typeof(multiply(u1, u2)) == U[3]"
19:39:16leorize`is`
19:39:18Yardanicoah, is
19:39:18Yardanicoright
20:04:24shashlickYardanico: any plans of consolidating the two discord bots?
20:04:36shashlickdon't want to add two rules for nick renaming
20:04:42Yardanicoshashlick: wdym? there are plans to make ircord the default of course
20:05:03Yardanicothe one in #nim-offtopic is the new one, when it's completed it'll either use "nid" or "nl", not sure which one to choose though
20:05:20shashlickright now there's nl and nid and i only have a rule for nl right now
20:05:23shashlickso nid shows up here
20:05:37Yardanicowell nl is #nim-offtopic, nid is here
20:05:57supakeenI vote for 'bottymcbotface'
20:06:00shashlickokay which one is going away
20:06:40YardanicoI honestly don't know, need opinion from other people :D
20:07:17supakeenI like nid more.
20:07:25Yardanicoyeah I think I will keep that one
20:07:25supakeennl seems like it's the country code for the netherlands
20:07:34Yardanicook nid it is :P
20:07:55supakeenAlso easier to pronounce :)
20:07:58nid<Chiqqum_Ngbata> disrod
20:08:02Yardanicolol
20:08:08Yardanicowe have disbot already
20:08:11Yardanicoa bit confusing :P
20:10:24nid<Chiqqum_Ngbata> leorize: Do you mean I'll have to emit C to interact with it or
20:10:57dom96Why not FromDiscord again?
20:11:58leorizeChiqqum_Ngbata: no, use a template to access the internal objects
20:12:17Yardanico@dom96 well some people said that it's a bit too long
20:12:21YardanicoFromDisc? :P
20:12:29dom96who?
20:12:34leorizeChiqqum_Ngbata: ie `off(t: IoUring): int`
20:12:45dom96We've had it for months if not years and nobody complained
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20:13:23Yardanicoso should I return the FromDiscord one?
20:13:59dom96I would prefer it, it's clear where it's coming from that way
20:14:23Yardanicook, i'll restart the bridge now, expect some seconds of downtime :P
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20:15:41Yardanicouh apparently FromDiscord wasn't even registered on freenode before
20:16:15*FromDiscord joined #nim
20:16:16Yardaniconow it is
20:16:26dom96it might have been, they cleared old unused nickname registrations
20:16:35Yardanicowell but FromDiscord is active every day
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20:20:15disruptek!last axiom
20:20:15disbotaxiom never seen.
20:20:18disruptek!last axion
20:20:19disbotaxion quit 79 days ago and last spoke 4 weeks ago
20:20:22Yardanicoalso @dom96 I think we might want to apply for discord verification so we could have a nice discord server url like discord.gg/nim-lang (e.g. discord.gg/rust-lang or discord.gg/vlang), although from what I've read the server owner should be also an official representative of the project. Right now their verification queue is closed, but when it opens maybe we'll need to find a way so I can transfer server ownerhip to you so you
20:20:22Yardanico would do that :P
20:20:39Yardanicowell I'm not entirely sure now, I'll email them again when they have that queue open
20:20:53dom96sure, gimme a ping when that's available
20:21:15Yardanicowe'll also get a "verified" checkmark on the server :P
20:22:02leorizealso verify our github org too :)
20:22:10leorizeor at least verify the link :P
20:22:30YardanicoAh yeah this would be cool too
20:22:45Yardanicohttps://help.github.com/en/github/setting-up-and-managing-organizations-and-teams/verifying-your-organizations-domain
20:23:03Yardanicoit's really simple, but need to have access to nim-lang.org's DNS records :P
20:23:35supakeenAnd Twitter! (does nim have a twitter?)
20:24:09Yardanicoyes
20:24:16Yardanicohttps://twitter.com/nim_lang
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20:24:26supakeenBut we haven't stolen nimlang even if it belongs to an 84-year old who likes chicken?
20:24:44Yardanicowhy not steal twitter.com/nim then
20:24:50supakeenOh right.
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20:36:24Araqleorize, give it a lock?
20:48:22FromDiscord<Rika> disruptek: axion gave up on nim quite a while back, why the !last?
20:49:06leorizewait he did?
20:49:22FromDiscord<Rika> he messaged me about it yes
20:49:55FromDiscord<Rika> he didnt like how basically every new feature was left experimental; i dont know if it's insensitive to talk about it more
20:50:33leorizeAraq: yea, that's a way, though I don't know if lock contention should be something I need to be worried about
20:52:02leorizeRika: well maybe he will return after looking at all the other languages :P
20:52:07leorizeor maybe he'd just get back to lis
20:52:10leorizelisp*
20:54:08FromDiscord<Rika> he went back to lisp
20:55:49FromDiscord<Broadwell> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jWP
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20:57:40leorizeBroadwell: typedesc is not a valid runtime value
20:57:59FromDiscord<Broadwell> Oops
21:00:25FromDiscord<Joshua S. Grant> @Rika He (if I'm remembering right and axion is mfiano), left the Lisp-Discord a lil bit ago as-well; Not sure where he really stands -- but is still doing semi-regular commits to his game-engine and related depends
21:01:14zacharycarteryeah he is - I talk to him on a semi-frequent basis in another IRC chat
21:01:18zacharycarterrelated to roguelike development
21:01:44FromGitter<Bennyelg> Happy independence day Israel even dow in
21:01:46zacharycarterI don't think he was a big fan of Nim - but he also doesn't love CL anymore so maybe he'll go to Rust or Zig or something
21:01:50FromGitter<Bennyelg> quarantine
21:02:05FromDiscord<Rika> he liked cl for its macros so i doubt rust
21:02:12zacharycartertrue
21:02:23FromDiscord<Rika> zig, im not familiar with
21:02:29FromDiscord<Rika> if it has good macros then maybe
21:02:36leorizezig don't have that
21:02:37zacharycarterit does not
21:02:37FromDiscord<Rika> he legitimately liked lisps macros a lot
21:02:48leorizelike not having syntax sugar is the point of zig
21:02:58leorizeno "surprises"
21:03:04FromDiscord<Rika> so zig is almost the anti-nim no?
21:03:16leorizeyes :p
21:03:17FromDiscord<Rika> nim is literally built on sugar haha
21:03:43FromDiscord<Rika> you get expression but also surprises -- if you dont read code
21:03:48FromDiscord<Joshua S. Grant> Well, he's a very taleneted guy and hope he falls into another fever-pitch even if it doesn't happen to be Nim, ultimately
21:03:57FromDiscord<Rika> though i do understand, reading code takes a lot of time
21:04:14FromDiscord<Rika> yeah, i dont mean him any harm, its just sad he didnt like nim that much
21:04:42FromDiscord<Rika> if i were skilled enough i'd strive to improve it enough for him to reconsider 😛
21:04:47leorizehe will like nim once nim v2 is out :p
21:04:56leorizejust try :p
21:05:01leorizeyou can't be skilled if you don't do it
21:05:23FromDiscord<Rika> you can though?
21:05:26FromDiscord<Rika> education exists
21:05:31FromDiscord<Rika> i dont have a college education yet
21:05:37FromDiscord<Rika> ill try out once i do
21:05:46leorizecollege is overrated
21:05:55leorizeexperience trumps all
21:06:04FromDiscord<Joshua S. Grant> I selfishly want him here, because now that I've started to make a commitment to the ecosystem -- I want to see more game-engineers about. :^) Though we seemed to of bagged oakes for the time being ... so hey!
21:06:34FromDiscord<Rika> are you a close friend of his?
21:07:47FromDiscord<Joshua S. Grant> Assuming you're talking about mfiano; Nah, we've talked a few times -- and I've actively bugged him with reorganizing my Github enough that he's took notice and dm'd me to basically 'chill' lol -- But really appreciate his body of work, and how readable / clear his CL is
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21:23:24FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> *wait people have college education* 😄
21:23:40FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I prefer collage education myself it's more hands on
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21:26:18leorizecan't really relate on that :P
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21:40:07leorize[m]> `lpCommandLine`: The maximum length of this string is 32,768 characters, including the Unicode terminating null character.
21:40:14leorize[m]so they built windows on top of uint16 or something
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21:45:25FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> Who is axi0n?
21:47:00leorizeaxion was our fellow lisper
21:48:35FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> By Lisper you mean Lisp Advocate?
21:49:34leorizehe is a common lisp user looking to switch
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21:50:00FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> I have never met a Lisp developer
21:50:16FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> Only heard of the parenthesis meme
21:50:35leorizehe said if you actually write lisp you won't see them
21:50:46leorizethe editor abstracts them out of you
21:50:47FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> Loool
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21:54:11FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> I was able to overcome my unicode issues on the graphql lexer module, just making the last fixes, hooray
21:54:19leorize\o/
21:54:23FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> That's what happen when u come from Python
21:54:31FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> Unicodeplus was helpful indeed
21:54:59FromDiscord<KingDarBoja> And I find comfortable comparing runes with runes instead of Char with char
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22:03:00krux02as far as I know we lost axion back to lisp.
22:03:09krux02The language just had too many bugs.
22:03:17krux02with the language I mean Nim.
22:04:14krux02leorize, regarding the parenthesis, they are after all just syntax. you get used to them as you get used to other syntaxes.
22:05:02FromDiscord<Rika> i said that above
22:05:49leorizeI don't doubt that, touch macros a bit and you might make the compiler implodes
22:05:52krux02yea I didn't read everything
22:06:18PrestigeIs there any way to get an i'th item from an OrderedSet without using an iterator?
22:06:56krux02Prestige, maybe you can get declare your own [] operator to do that.
22:07:35krux02But as far as I know ordered sets are internally linked data structures that require O(n) access time
22:07:43krux02if you go by index
22:08:35Prestigelooks like it's a sequence underneath
22:09:25PrestigeOnly really had one place where I wanted to grab the first element so it's nbd, was just curious
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22:33:30disrupteki can't build disbot under orc, but it builds under arc.
22:33:36leorizeping Zevv
22:34:58shashlickwhat's the best package to measure how long my nimterop tests are taking individually
22:34:59disruptek!last zevv
22:35:12disruptek!last zevv
22:35:13disbotZevv spoke in 12#nim 33 hours ago
22:35:37disruptekthe bot binary is also much larger under arc.
22:35:44disruptek>+50%
22:35:59federico3urgh
22:47:19FromDiscord<codic> How od I run a ssytem command in nim?
22:47:21FromDiscord<codic> *do
22:52:05leorizeos.execShellCmd
22:52:23leorizethough I'm not sure what you mean
22:53:17FromDiscord<codic> have a string (eg `"ls"`), run it through a system call, and return the output
22:53:25FromDiscord<codic> I want a function that does that, does it exist?
22:53:54Yardanicodisruptek: maybe due to a lot of destroy/etc calls?
22:54:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> @codic https://nim-lang.org/docs/osproc.html#execProcess%2Cstring%2Cstring%2CopenArray%5Bstring%5D%2CStringTableRef%2Cset%5BProcessOption%5D
22:55:27Yardanicoimport osproc; echo execProcess("ls")
22:55:43FromDiscord<codic> So if I had `import osproc; echo execProcess("ls -al")` it would output the output?
22:55:49FromDiscord<codic> ya beat me to it, great ;p
22:55:55Yardanicoyes
22:56:40Yardanicolol
22:57:11Yardanicoleorize: so I tested this simple example with and without -d:useMalloc with both --gc:arc and default gc
22:57:24FromDiscord<codic> I've also noticed that some examples in the docs use `$variable` instead of `variable` as an aside. for example `var t="o"; echo $t`. Why is this?
22:57:29Yardanicoah wait wrong chat
22:57:42leorizeI'm in both :P
22:57:49leorizestop chatting on topic on off topic :P
22:58:27FromDiscord<codic> haha
22:59:22Yardanico@codic maybe a remnant of the past or just to be explicit
22:59:30Yardanicoecho converts all arguments to string with $ implicitly, yeah
22:59:47Yardanicoalthough $ is no-op for strings so it won't cost performance or memory to do "echo $stuff"
23:02:53FromDiscord<codic> But `$` is useless to put in front of a variable?
23:02:56FromDiscord<codic> in modern nim
23:03:55FromDiscord<codic> also, another quick question. assuming I had a library thing, `import thing` would pollute everything in thing to the global namespace. How could I put it all in a namespace like python, so that I do thing.whatever() instead of whatever() (assuming the library thing has a function whatever)?
23:06:09FromDiscord<Rika> from module import nil
23:06:39FromDiscord<codic> then i can do module.thing()?
23:06:43FromDiscord<Rika> Yes
23:07:11FromDiscord<codic> yay
23:07:41leorizeplease don't do that unless you have a good reason to
23:08:51FromDiscord<Rika> Nims "global namespace pollution" is just like lisps parenthesis hell I think
23:09:02FromDiscord<Rika> Editors make it much more bearable to use
23:09:39FromDiscord<Rika> E.g. You can hover over the proc in vs code and it will show what module it's from
23:10:24FromDiscord<Rika> So yeah, there's a reason we don't have it on by default, also because UFCS fails to work with it
23:10:36leorizethat's not the reason
23:10:46FromDiscord<Rika> Never said it was
23:10:52FromDiscord<Rika> But I guess it's implied
23:11:00FromDiscord<Rika> Well, I didn't mean to imply that
23:11:38leorizeit's not like you can easily see where something came from in python anyway :P
23:11:57leorizeput on some classes and you will need ides
23:13:31FromDiscord<codic> Does nim even have a dedicated ide?
23:13:34FromDiscord<codic> vscode works great for me
23:15:01leorizeno we don't
23:17:33FromDiscord<codic> i remember there was one written in nim but it's dead
23:18:14leorizeyea, the alternatives just worked better
23:18:53dom96no, the alternatives had the support of big companies
23:20:56leorizenot much big companies but users
23:22:12federico3namespace pollution is a bit annoying tho
23:22:22PrestigeI'm using neovim w/nimlsp and alaviss/nim.nvim, it works pretty decently codic
23:22:27federico3especially when librarie export meaningless proc names
23:22:54federico3Prestige: nimisp?
23:23:08PrestigeLSP
23:23:29Prestigehttps://github.com/PMunch/nimlsp
23:24:05federico3what is it doing?
23:24:09Prestigesometimes if I'm refactoring something and the syntax is very messed up, alaviss/nim.nvim crashes tho
23:24:17Yardanicofederico3: language server in Nim
23:24:18Yardanicofor Nim
23:24:18leorizenot a setup I'd recommend, but feel free to use it, it works
23:24:32federico3Yardanico: yep, but what is it for?
23:24:35Yardanicoany editor which supports LSP could be configured to use nimlsp
23:24:42Yardanicoand nimlsp provides access to nimsuggest and stuff
23:24:55Yardanicoso you can get suggestions and go to definition and stuff in any editor with LSP support :P
23:24:58federico3nim.nvim uses nimsuggest already
23:25:11federico3(hence my question)
23:25:20Yardanicowell there are more editors than just nvim :D
23:25:24leorizePrestige would like to use the LSP ecosystem
23:25:56PrestigeYeah, I use lsp for all languages I work with
23:26:02federico3Prestige: sounds like you are using them together
23:26:31Prestigemostly for the syntax highlighting
23:26:39Prestigenim.nvim I mean
23:26:56leorizeonce PMunch got that working in nimlsp I'll toss in a switch to let you turn nimsuggest integration off
23:27:08FromGitter<bung87> ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ anyone can help me with this? [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5ea8bbcc347bd616304217ba]
23:27:43PrestigeI'll probably be contributing to nimlsp once I've gotten my current project to a decent state
23:28:12FromGitter<bung87> I'm tring to create zip archive from cstring it gives error code 19
23:28:27FromGitter<Yardanico> why are you using unSafeAddr?
23:28:35FromGitter<Yardanico> and did you look into nimarchive?
23:28:45FromGitter<bung87> `data: cstring`
23:29:06FromGitter<Yardanico> yes, you can just use ".addr" if it's a "var", you shouldn't get address of "let" variable (hence it's unsafeAddr)
23:29:51FromGitter<bung87> I have not try nimarchive, I modify the std libzip add new func import from c
23:31:01FromGitter<bung87> `var cstring` still same problem.
23:31:13shashlickback to FromDiscord?
23:31:31Yardanicoshashlick: well yeah sorry
23:32:02leorize[m]bung87: remove the addr and the cast
23:32:11Yardanicoleorize: would it work without that?
23:32:14Yardanicohe's calling into raw C functions
23:32:30leorize[m]his data is a cstring
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23:32:50FromGitter<bung87> ok , just cstring
23:33:17FromGitter<Bennyelg> sporadic error when trying to execute multiple deletes on over sqlite connection ⏎ Error: unhandled exception: index 1 not in 0 .. 0 [IndexError]
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23:33:56FromGitter<bung87> am I main logic wrong?
23:33:59shashlickleorize[m]: was https://github.com/nimterop/nimterop/issues/151 your concern as well with nimterop?
23:34:18FromGitter<bung87> ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ I'm try porting these cpp code [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5ea8bd7ab6dd230697929adc]
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23:35:55leorize[m]shashlick: yea
23:36:49leorize[m]bung87: remove cast and addr and it should just work
23:37:10shashlickokay it should be fixed in #head now
23:37:37FromGitter<bung87> I removed still `19 ZIP_ER_NOZIP`
23:40:36FromGitter<bung87> `zip_source_buffer_create(const void *data, zip_uint64_t len, int freep, zip_error_t *error);`
23:41:14FromGitter<bung87> am I doing right?
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23:48:27FromDiscord<codic> is nim's `ui` good for small dialogs? is there an example just showing text and two buttons under it?
23:50:59FromDiscord<codic> that's all i need
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23:51:10FromDiscord<codic> (one closes the app, the other spawns a system process)
23:51:36leorize[m]codic: yea it's pretty decent for that
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23:52:24FromDiscord<codic> oo matrix
23:52:35leorize[m]bung87: that code should be the same as the c++ code. I can't be 100% certain with a runnable example though
23:52:37FromDiscord<codic> is there an example for that then?
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23:53:29codicnow I must use matrix
23:53:34codic:)
23:54:10shashlickmeh, cannot benchmark in nimscript, no time functions available
23:55:20FromDiscord<codic> or is there any other library with a similar example?
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