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02:31:53jfsHey all, quick question. How do I trap a Ctrl-C (SIGINT)? I'd like to print a nice exit message rather than the stack trace.
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02:36:12def-jfs: hi. https://github.com/def-/nim-unsorted/blob/master/signals.nim
02:36:58def-Or if you want an exception: https://github.com/def-/nim-unsorted/blob/master/signals2.nim
02:37:22jfsah perfect, thanks def-
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08:32:37deavmi_mobileAraq_: pegs?
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09:00:50Arrrrhttps://www.wikiwand.com/en/Parsing_expression_grammar
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09:29:24dom96hi guys
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12:32:05maxim5505Hey, guys! Can somebody help me? I can't open file with cyrillic characters in path using system function "open". Instead, IOError exception is thrown
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12:37:14maxim5505Here an example of code
12:37:19maxim5505discard open("""C:\абв\input.txt""")
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13:08:25maxim5505Please, guys...
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13:15:14ArrrrIs nimcall an alias for gcsafe, locks: 0 ?
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14:12:07dom96maxim5505: sorry we missed you. What error did you get?
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15:36:29libmanjq '.[].license' ~/.nimble/packages.json | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
15:36:45libman265 "MIT", 16 "BSD", 11 "CC0", 10 "Apache License 2.0", 4 "zlib", 4 "LGPL", 3 "WTFPL", 3 "MPL", 3 "LGPLv3", 3 "GPLv2", 2 "ISC", 2 "GPLv3", 1 "unlicense", 1 "OpenSSL License and SSLeay License", 1 "MS-PL", 1 "libpng", 1 "LGPL with static linking exception", 1 "LGPLv3 or GPLv2", 1 "BSD3".
15:38:08libmanThought experiment: let's say I wanted to market Nim as the most libertarian programming language. It's already close in terms of syntax philosophy and license choice. What would make it better in that regard?
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16:50:47deavmiello all :)
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16:59:15maxim5505dom96: this error
16:59:23maxim5505Traceback (most recent call last) test.nim(14) test system.nim(2535) sysFatal Error: unhandled exception: cannot open: C:\╨░╨▒╨▓\input.txt [IOError]
17:02:19maxim5505I know that console uses CP866 but error output in another encoding (utf-8 possibly). That's not very important, I think
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17:03:36maxim5505Worth mentioning, I'm using Windows XP and Nim 0.13.1
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17:08:30deavmimaxim5505: WinXP - Good UI
17:08:52maxim5505Is it joke?)
17:09:12deavmiThough insecure AF - although you are probably safer with something other than Windows 8, 8.1 or 10
17:09:33deavmimaxim5505: A bit of a joke - but really, it had a good UI. Simple and easy to use. It's opinionated.
17:11:10deavmiGood song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJiP3jRVJ8
17:11:20deavmiBtw Araq_ Can you watch this? Is it blocked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJiP3jRVJ8
17:11:27deavmi(In Germany)?
17:12:33Arrrrmaxim5505: why did you use triple " instead of simple " ?
17:12:52maxim5505I like XP because only it runs so fast on this computer
17:13:41maxim5505Not to type \\ instead of \
17:14:16ArrrrHave you tried with / ?
17:14:46deavmimaxim5505: GNU/Linux? Haiku? Syllable? - Ever tried one of those.
17:14:55deavmimaxim5505: Maybe DOS (just kidding)
17:15:40maxim5505Ubuntu, eOS have some troubles with graphic card (?)
17:15:49maxim5505doesn't work too
17:16:02maxim5505"/"
17:16:04deavmimaxim5505: Do you use opensource drivers or closed source ones
17:16:58ArrrrWell, probably you are not giving the correct path thn
17:17:00Arrrr*then
17:17:01maxim5505I didn't install drivers by myself
17:17:12deavmimaxim5505: Oh i see.
17:17:54deavmimaxim5505: I only use open-source drivers but sadly there is none for my laptop's card and hence the CPU graphics is being used (which isn't THAT bad) but it would be nice to use my Nvidia card.
17:19:24maxim5505AMD Athlon XP 2000+
17:19:31maxim5505What are you talking about?)
17:19:49maxim5505Arrrr: I've checked path, it's correct
17:22:40deavmimaxim5505: I'm talking about my laptop's lack of drivers for it's Nvidia card
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17:25:33maxim5505I got it, I mean that my hardware is old
17:25:41deavmimaxim5505: Oh okay.
17:26:07deavmimaxim5505: Have you looked for drivers before?
17:27:50maxim5505No, I'm not interested in it) I'm satisfied with XP
17:28:04deavmimaxim5505: Okay. What ever makes you happy :)
17:28:19deavmimaxim5505: That's all that matters when it comes to personal computing
17:28:53maxim5505Yep
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17:37:19maxim5505The trouble with path still exists even on Windows 10 Insider Preview (build 14332)
17:39:02ArrrrIf you are copy pasting the path from explorer url entry text, you should have no problems
17:40:25maxim5505Paste to code?
17:41:41maxim5505Anyway it didn't help
17:41:45maxim5505;(
17:42:08libmanhttps://archive.is/LEsUi :D
17:44:28Arrrrnon-bureaucratic syntax?
17:44:37Arrrrmaxim5505: i mean this http://kb.mozillazine.org/images/WinExplorerFTP-link.png
17:46:12maxim5505I did exactly as on this screenshot
17:47:05dom96maxim5505: you don't need to use triple quotes, just use r"C:\..."
17:47:13dom96although that's likely not the problem
17:49:00maxim5505Have you tried to create folder with cyrillic name such as "абв"?
17:49:13maxim5505dom96: thanks for tip
17:49:15dom96Not on Windows currently.
17:49:18dom96So can't test
17:49:34dom96Can you pastebin your full code?
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17:50:22maxim5505Yes, I can
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17:54:53libmanNew Wikipedia shortcut: http://enWP.org/nimlang
17:56:06maxim5505dom96: oh, I copied pasted again the path into code and it works. Thank you all for help
17:56:49maxim5505I suppose that I was wrong in russian 'с' letter and english 'c' :D
17:56:57maxim5505I'm sorry for that
17:57:23dom96hehe, glad you got it working
17:57:54dom96libman: ooh, I see someone updated the article
17:58:01libmanWhat would happen if the let keyword became optional?
17:58:38libmanWasn't me, I just like short URLs for retarded social media platforms
18:00:45libmanWhich reminds me, let's rename the language again to just Ni. :P
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18:17:29libmanSerious suggestion for nimble: work without git (or if git not found) by simply downloading a ZIP file from GitHub, ex. https://github.com/xland/nimeverything/archive/master.zip
18:20:35deavmithat would be dependant on the git hosting service
18:20:42deavmiDoes it coen with --depth=1
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18:20:48deavmito only get the last commit?
18:21:06deavmilibman: ?
18:22:15libmanYes, of course, but most repoes are currently on github. Why *require* an extra dependency (git) when you can download and extract a zip file very easily.
18:22:29deavmiI think it should stay as is
18:22:48deavmi"MOST" doesn't mean much because it is dependant on GH then
18:23:01deavmiThat's my opinion. What if it is on another git server?
18:23:07libmanI'm not suggesting taking away use of git, I'm saying if git is not installed there's something to fall back on.
18:23:10deavmiThen what, yeah, nothing works.
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18:23:23deavmilibman: I think,in my opinion git should be kept.
18:23:32deavmias a needed dependancy
18:24:23libmanThen nim won't work on pure Unix that shuns all GPL components.
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18:26:47ArrrrI thought git was pure at heart
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18:27:18libmanIt will be once someone writes a permissively licensed (and perhaps light-weight) version, in Nim. ;)
18:27:44*libman is a license snob.
18:27:55libmanhttp://libman.org/img/bak/20160430-Dont-take-kindly-to-GPL.png
18:30:15deavmilibman: shuns?
18:30:36flyxwell libgit2 is GPL with linking exception
18:30:45deavmioh k
18:32:10libman`jq '.[].url' ~/.nimble/packages.json | sed 's/:.*//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr` => 170 https, 164 git
18:32:50libmanBy method: 322 git, 12 hg.
18:34:32bozaloshtshif you're completely shunning GPL, I'm not sure if not being able to download nimble packages is your biggest issue
18:36:37ArrrrWhich dristributions avoid GPL and why ?
18:39:39bozaloshtshthe linux kernel is GPL so you'd be using some BSD
18:39:44deavmiArrrr: Why shun away from GPL apps?
18:40:09libmanObviously BSD.
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18:42:43libmanWithout going into reasons for avoiding GPL - why force an extra dependency when simple http fallback would be so easy to implement?
18:43:21bozaloshtshshouldn't be that hard to implement, just download the zip file that github provides
18:44:14ArrrrProbably because the nim staff has no time for it. But as dom would say "pr are welcomed"
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18:49:40dom96libman: that would still require a dependency on ssl
18:49:48dom96*on an SSL library
18:50:02reactormonkdom96, pretty sure there's a BSD one somewhere.
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19:03:12Arrrrbtw, the copyright date is not up to date https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/copying.txt#L4
19:03:23libmanOpenSSL license is a separate issue.
19:04:52libmanLibreSSL is slowly liberating it with ISC code... ;)
19:06:19libmanAlso stuff Google added for BoringSSL is ISC.
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19:10:05libman`curl -OL` zip/from github, gitlab, and bitbucket works fine with just http://
19:10:29libmans/\// /
19:13:12deavmiAnd will my custom git service that doesn't have that layout syntax work
19:13:14deavminope
19:13:28deavmiso using the whol github archive thing, just nah.
19:14:19deavmi* whole
19:14:47deavmiLibreSSl v.s. OpenSSL (what is the difference)
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19:19:14zodiak_digging nim (started yesterday, converting over some python play-scripts/stuff). One quick question, how do I view nimble installed packages documentation ? is there like any "nimble web" to bring up local packages doc in browser ?
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19:25:43libmandeavmi: you're not making any sense. "My custom thing may not support http, therefore no one should support http." 100% of packages in nimble currently can be obtained via http.
19:26:56libmanNimble may need to run in some lean environments someday. It shouldn't force dependencies it doesn't have to.
19:27:52libmanIt already supports http, obviously, like for fetching the packages.json.
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19:29:31Arrrrlibman what's the difference between BSD and MIT ?
19:29:32deavmilibman: sorry.
19:29:52deavmiMIT license, I don't even understand the point of it's existence ~Deavmi 2016
19:29:56libmanArrrr: almost none.
19:30:32libmanI think it's an east-coast vs west-coast rapper battle. :P
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19:31:05libmanI use the Unlicense personally. (Not that I ever released anything noteworthy.)
19:31:20deavmiUnlicense = Public domain
19:31:30deavmiMIT license is like public domain with boilerplate
19:31:37deavmirequired boilerplate
19:31:44deavmiI don't see the use of it.
19:31:56libmanAlmost. Some legal jurisdictions don't recognize "public domain". SQLite had a lot of pain about that.
19:32:11deavmilibman: There are ways to get around that
19:32:17libmannimble wisely defaults to MIT, so everyone should just use that.
19:32:27ArrrrDoes BSD or MIT forces you to redistribute the license with the binaries?
19:32:38deavmiWithin countries that don't do public domain you an give them permission to use the code however theyt want
19:32:41deavmiThat's how you do it
19:32:48libmanThis conversation isn't worth polluting the channel. All copyfree licenses are fine.
19:32:55libmancopyfree.org/standard/licenses
19:33:09deavmiNever work on personal projects at a University or business because they will make you license it under their prefered license, especially MIT
19:33:47dom96hello zodiak_
19:33:57deavmiBasically any Uniuversity. (I will just say I never worked on campus, I used a parabolic wifi antenna to ssh into my machine at home) XD. Anyway, that was just my rant. I will stop spamming now.
19:34:02deavmidom96: Ello o/
19:34:14dom96zodiak_: unfortunately not, sounds like a good idea though. Please make an issue on http://github.com/nim-lang/nimble for it :)
19:34:25deavmianyone want to slither.io
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19:34:57zodiak_dom96: alrighty. I guess I am so used to/spoiled by rdoc/pydoc and friends :)
19:35:14*libman contemplates the Shakespeare License - http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/lets-kill-all-lawyers
19:35:15flyxSlither? wasn't that this b-movie
19:35:36deavmiflyx: http://slither.io
19:35:58dom96deavmi: heh, I played that a bit today
19:35:59*flyx doesn't trust website that do not show anything without JavaScript
19:36:11dom96deavmi: was considering reverse engineering the protocol and writing a bot for it
19:36:15deavmiplaying now, can't type or will die
19:36:20dom96but then I realised that I ain't got time for such things anymore :(
19:36:41deavmidom96: jsut died
19:36:44deavmilol
19:37:00deavmiflyx: It is a game, and for a game to be in a browser JS is mandatory. so yeah
19:37:11libmanSlither looks like nibbles on LSD.
19:37:14deavmimaybe write a Nim implementation and compile to JS
19:37:50dom96I think it would be cool to create a Tron-themed slither.io
19:38:10libmannibbles.bas: GOSUB SigmundFreud
19:38:37nivflyx: can i ask why? js is sandboxed. where's the distrust?
19:40:35libmanJS is no longer mandatory (on latest browser builds at least). Thanks to WebAssembly. https://webassembly.github.io/demo/
19:41:51deavmioooh awesome
19:41:56libmanIs this channel always so off-topic, or did I damage it somehow?
19:43:20deavmilibman: Netflix and chill bro
19:43:27deavmior shuld I say Nim and Slither.io
19:45:34flyxniv: because I distrust a a developer who fails to write a site that at least displays some message „this site requires JavaScript for $reasons“. and yeah, we all know that every JS implementation has security issues
19:46:01nivhmmm, alright
19:46:41flyxit's more about style. someone who assumes abilities of the client's browser without testing for them just didn't understand the web
19:46:53dom96Cool. lightcycles.io was free.
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19:47:29nivflyx: sure, but assuming js is available has been pretty much hammered into existence by force of stubborness
19:47:30dom96It's mine now :D
19:47:43flyxthis stems a bit from my huge distaste of JavaScript as a whole
19:48:13nivpeople turning off js are quite literally a unsupported usecase and closed as wontfix
19:48:56flyxwell it's a lot more efficient than adblockers
19:49:38nivi dont disagree with that. but it blocks a lot of content too nowadays. i used to run noscript myself, 5 years ago or something. im happy i dont anymore
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19:56:22flyxyeah it's quite inconvenient nowadays. a typical site has 5-10 JS includes from different domains
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20:29:04libmanjq '.[].url' ~/.nimble/packages.json | grep '\.co\/' # typo in subviewer package url domain suffix
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20:44:32deavmi_mobileAraq_: ever used Tor to get passed censorship in Germany?
20:44:36deavmi_mobileor i2p?
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20:52:39zodiak_dom96: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/issues/227 .. I hope the ticket/intent is clear/obvious
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21:05:28dom96zodiak_: that's great, thanks.
21:05:36zodiak_(thumbsup)
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22:52:50zodiak_jst so I am on the 'right page', the JsonNode values are supposed to be decomposed before using .. correct ? meaning that (say) the JsonNode("dispatch") field I would assign to a let/var by doing; getBVal(app.Config("dispatch")) and then using ? or is the expectation that this should be 'automagical' to the dev ?
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