<< 31-12-2013 >>
00:00:11BitPuffinAraq: join us or die
00:00:26Araqno
00:00:41BitPuffinAraq: single draft!!
00:01:04dom96BitPuffin: lol, I dunno... you'll probably keep tweeting about the VNUG :P
00:01:15dom96What should the first tweet be?
00:01:18BitPuffindom96: nnnnnnnnOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo?
00:01:23BitPuffindom96: Hello World
00:01:40dom96echo("Hello World!")
00:01:42dom96:P
00:01:48dom96or better yet
00:01:53dom96echo "Hello World!"
00:02:04BitPuffindom96: start each tweet with "echo "
00:02:10dom96lol no
00:02:29BitPuffinecho "New version of nimrod released!"
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00:03:38EXetoCwhy does gradha go to bed so early? lame
00:03:58BitPuffinEXetoC: why are you never joining me and dom96 playing games, lame
00:04:00BitPuffin?
00:05:19dom96yeah, wat is up with dat.
00:05:47dom96https://twitter.com/nimrodlang
00:05:47BitPuffindom96: it means he is not a real programmer, that's what's up
00:06:37*dom96 follows all the Nimrod programmers he knows
00:07:59BitPuffindom96: does that include me?
00:08:16dom96BitPuffin: of course
00:09:32dom96Let me know if I missed you.
00:10:02BitPuffinAraq: will 0.9.4 run on *BSD lol
00:14:06EXetoCBitPuffin: I'm not into dota that much
00:15:12BitPuffinEXetoC: well I said playing games
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00:16:44BitPuffintrying to build on freebsd now
00:16:47BitPuffinjust to test
00:17:24EXetoCI'm not really a fan of any of those games
00:18:10BitPuffinEXetoC: you don't even know what we play
00:19:28EXetoCyou haven't suggested that many
00:20:19EXetoCwell, about 4
00:20:24BitPuffinEXetoC: neither have _you_
00:21:32EXetoCI only play one game now
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00:27:07BitPuffinEXetoC: was da
00:28:25EXetoCdod
00:29:11BitPuffinEXetoC: nub
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00:31:01BitPuffinWell it compiles at least
00:31:42io2AWESOME, nimrod has an official twitter account
00:31:44io2AWESOME
00:31:46io2:D
00:31:49dom96:)
00:31:57io2just subscribed
00:32:20io2first the package manager, now the twitterverse
00:32:29io2cool
00:32:44io2anyway, cya all soon, off to bed :)
00:32:52io2congrats again dom96 ;)
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00:44:03EXetoCBitPuffin: so, anything other than 0ad, dota, minecraft, gmod and that heist game?
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02:24:58BitPuffinHi lottos welcome to the wonderful world of nimrod! Araq is the savior
02:25:11BitPuffinit's definitely not a sect
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02:29:26BitPuffin:(
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02:39:19NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 45c911b Zahary Karadjov [+0 ±22 -0]: static params: expr[T] is now static[T]... 5 more lines
02:39:19NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 0ee7ac9 Zahary Karadjov [+0 ±3 -0]: documented static params
02:39:19NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 9c4df7f Zahary Karadjov [+0 ±5 -0]: make the current PContext accessible through TCandidate... 4 more lines
02:39:19NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 5f0911e Zahary Karadjov [+0 ±8 -0]: wip type class reforms (the compiler bootstraps fine)... 4 more lines
02:39:19NimBot22 more commits.
03:28:03EXetoCcool, more bits!
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10:40:01NimBotAraq/Nimrod devel 199fd07 Zahary Karadjov [+0 ±6 -0]: clean-up some obsolete code; close #602
10:40:58Araqzahary1: can't be bothered to look at the diffs :-) what did you implement?
10:41:43zahary1 static params, much better handling of generic type aliases and types like seq[Number]; various fixes
10:42:37Araqnice
10:42:37zahary1type aliases in signature matching
10:42:59Araqwhat do you mean?
10:43:41zahary1see this for example: https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/517
10:45:01Araqok
10:45:50AraqI'm working on a better testing infrastructure, I need categories for faster turnaround
10:46:02zahary1categories of tests?
10:46:04Araqso that I can say "test closure_iterators"
10:46:10zahary1I see
10:46:40zahary1will you be getting back at working on the new vm? many tests now fail there
10:47:03Araqlike what? I considered it finished ...
10:47:21Araqthe getType being the obvious omission
10:47:36Araqbut as I said I'm not sure it's sound :P
10:49:18Araqsorry need to go, bbl
10:50:44zahary1some of the tests like ttypetraits and ttypedesc could probably be attributed to this, but there are some more peculiar ones like tunittest, tstringinterp that seem to be more general - anyway, it will be fun to study the new vm, so I could look into it
10:51:55zahary1another problem is that the old VM had clean failures, when some piece of code cannot be evaluated (the new vm just quits) - static params depend on this behavior
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12:08:21gradhaan iterator can have exactly the same name and parameter types as a proc, are there more "parallel namespace" situations like this?
12:12:16gradhathe question is how to make documentation hyperlinks unique, and the iterator would require a prefix/postfix, like i.split or split.i
12:17:01Araqsame for templates
12:17:26Araqthough the situation is more convoluted for templates :P
12:17:47gradhaI guess they share the namespace with procs if they are immediate
12:18:33Araqno they share the namespace if they are not immediate
12:19:19gradhaimmediate templates are resolved only of no other proc matches the types then?
12:19:29Araqno the other way round
12:19:46Araqimmediate templates are preferred over anything
12:20:09Araqbut the implementation has bugs
12:20:14gradhaday backwards is today
12:20:31Araq"immediate" means "skip OR"
12:20:39Araq"OR" means "overloading resolution"
12:21:19gradhawe can have then procs normal, and templates and iterators with t./i. prefix for links
12:21:36Araqyeah I guess
12:21:48gradhabetter make that a suffix
12:21:50Araqyou know the compiler has an ID system, right?
12:22:00Araqand yeah, suffixes rule
12:22:16gradhadon't know anything about the ID system or the compiler
12:22:32gradhaI like treating stuff like black boxes
12:22:35Araqyou can use the ID system to generate a unique link
12:22:40Araq*links
12:22:52Araqbut only with doc2 as doc runs too early
12:23:06gradhaso what's the look of these ID?
12:25:01gradhawrt unique help hyperlinks, my plan is symbol(.i|t)(-shortenedtype)*
12:25:22gradha-shortenedtype = look at all the types, and figure out minimal unique prefixes
12:25:35gradhaso if you have a proc accepting three strings you would get -s-s-s
12:26:54gradhathen you could have split.i-st-se, because it's an iterator, and the first param is a string, the second a set
12:29:53gradhameh, that won't work, it breaks on system with overloads for different int variants
12:30:03gradhacool, let's have full parameters then
12:30:24gradhahmm... maybe use the name instead of the type?
12:31:07gradhaah, not again
12:33:32Araqthe problem you try to solve here is a very hard problem
12:33:56Araqthe history of C++ name mangling speaks for itself
12:34:25Araqthe good news is that it has been solved
12:34:44Araqso just look at how Gnu C++ implements name mangling and use that
12:35:10Araqit's generally useful and we might get decent debug information with GDB as a bonus
12:36:09gradhayou said the ID system already has this
12:37:47Araqthe ID system is fragile though and you want persistent links
12:38:22Araqbut surely sym.name.s & $sym.id works too
12:38:35Araqbut where is the fun in that? :P
12:38:44gradhawell, making hrefs predictable is not a problem, trying to shorten it is the problem
12:39:02gradhaI'll go with the numbered prefix and full types, haven't found yet collisions with that
12:40:07gradhaalso, no matter what naming you implement you could always force a collision through backticks replicating the structure to be generated
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14:20:41Araqgem of the week:
14:20:49Araqproc `()`(cmd: string{lit}): string = cmd.execProcess.string.strip
14:21:00Araq let hash = "git log -n 1"()
14:21:02Araq let branch = "git symbolic-ref --short HEAD"()
14:21:35Araq(but untested ;-) )
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14:31:02gradhamay be handy for nakefiles
14:31:54Araqyup
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14:51:38gradhaaren't macros also in their own "namespace" since they are accesible only at compile time or does nimrod disallow a macro named just like a proc?
15:09:52Araqmacros are like templates
15:10:26Araqcompile-time vs runtime is completely orthogonal to symbol lookup
15:12:51Araqdoes Babel support mercurial and bitbucket already?
15:13:04gradhaI think BitPuffin uses it
15:13:36gradhahttps://bitbucket.org/BitPuffin/linagl
15:14:22gradhawhy did you make converter a keyword, can't it be done with a proc {.converter.} pragma?
15:17:04Araqit can be done but since a converter breaks modularity I thought it's a good idea to emphasize them more syntactically
15:17:47Araqconverters are most often a misfeature
15:18:01Araqso they got treatment like 'cast'
15:18:02gradhaoh, so can I import module A which defines a converter and they work despite not using * for export?
15:18:10Araqnope
15:18:34Araqbut you can import A which exports a converter and it's silently invoked
15:18:49Araqthis silent invokation requires special support in rodfiles
15:19:58AraqTR macros use the same mechanism btw
15:20:56gradharod files were for incremental compilation?
15:21:03Araqyes
15:21:26Araqthey ARE for incremental compliation and they used to work :P
15:21:56gradhaI wonder what intersection they have with CAAS
15:22:56Araqthey predate CAAS and can speed up non-CAAS idetools significantly
15:24:40gradhahah, keep forgetting I can use dash now to search nimrod faster
15:36:05gradhawhat do you think about https://gist.github.com/gradha/8198472
15:36:29gradhait allows documentation to be generated for all platforms
15:36:41gradhabut it avoids tags being properly created
15:38:00gradhaI would propose a "forward declaration" of docstrings, where you can write your docstring and it gets later attached to whatever matches the signature
15:38:22AraqI think it's horrible
15:38:30Araq"paramStrdoc" wtf?
15:38:54gradhathat's to verify the real procs don't appear, and highlights another feature: you can make a typo and never know
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15:39:20Araqit should already work to use foward decls to share the documentation comments
15:39:41gradhabut the forward declares have different pragmas for each platform
15:40:00Araqlike?
15:40:19gradhawindows uses '.rtl, extern: "nos$1", other platforms don't
15:40:46Araqyou can do {.pragma foo, bar, baz.} in a when to patch over any differences
15:41:19Araqand it's a bug that only windows uses rtl, extern anyway, nice catch.
15:42:14gradhaI believe I tried to write the docstring with the windows forward declare and the compiler complained, so it's a bug then
15:42:30gradhabbl
15:42:39Araqok
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15:50:04Araqhi unruly welcome
15:51:01OrionPKmorning
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16:04:04Amrykidits a spam bot
16:04:19Amrykideverything from *!*@91.210.100.0/22 is.
16:05:57Araqah I see
16:08:40Amrykidyeah, they're talking about it over in #freenode. anyway, that was just a heads up.
16:12:29Araqlol I never noticed there is a #freenode channel
16:14:38Amrykidheh. i am surprised the ircd doesn't force you to join it.
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16:36:37dom96Amrykid: oh so that's why I keep seeing it join here and #nimbuild randomly.
16:36:58BitPuffinAraq: yes babel works great with hg
16:37:24Amrykiddom96, maybe. theres always a chance it that it was a real person.
16:37:26dom96BitPuffin: dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
16:37:32BitPuffindom96: hahaha
16:37:34BitPuffinyeah maybe actually
16:37:37dom96lol
16:37:37BitPuffinjust gotta poop first
16:37:42dom96well I wasn't serious.
16:37:44Amrykidanyway, i wanted to play around with nimrod something before my break was over.
16:37:49dom96Maybe in a couple of minutes though :P
16:37:51Amrykid*sometime
16:37:55BitPuffindom96: exactly, poop first
16:38:13dom96Araq: That code is very subtle.
16:38:13BitPuffindom96: if you want I can have the VNUG running so you can hear the poop splash into the water in the toilet
16:38:16BitPuffinif that's your thing
16:38:20dom96Araq: Also don't call things 'gems' :P
16:38:38dom96BitPuffin: oh god no
16:38:47BitPuffindom96: I had a feeling it would be your thing
16:43:20dom96BitPuffin: Audio is not my thing... video on the other hand... :P
16:45:05OrionPKlots of swedish cursing and grunting and plopping
16:47:01OrionPKmm i should set up my template library to use yield in an iterator
16:48:32Araqdom96: yeah we need a name for snippets
16:48:43AraqNimSnipIt
16:48:49AraqSnipper
16:49:07AraqSnimippets
16:49:39Araqdom96: it's not subtle though IMHO, it's cool and sexy
16:51:21BitPuffindom96: lol
16:51:41AraqSnimppet
16:51:42BitPuffindom96: wanna play now?
16:51:54BitPuffinAraq: nimple
16:52:01AraqBitPuffin: new year's eve is ahead? how can you play a game?
16:52:18BitPuffinAraq: why not?
16:52:22Araqyou should party instead
16:52:29BitPuffindota party
16:52:32dom96That is how we party
16:52:37BitPuffindom96: cmown boi
16:52:39dom96BitPuffin: gimme a couple more minutes
16:52:41BitPuffindon't have all day you kno
16:52:41Araqlol that's poor
16:52:49BitPuffinAraq: fowl is poor
16:52:52Araqanybody drunk already?
16:52:55BitPuffinno
16:53:02*Araq looks at Trixar_za
16:53:49dom96BitPuffin: ok, give me like 15-20 minutes.
16:53:50AraqBitPuffin: fowl ain't poor anymore, he got a job from me
16:53:52dom96Sorrryyyy
16:53:56dom96brb
16:54:00BitPuffindom96: wtf maaaan
16:54:02BitPuffinno
16:54:04BitPuffinnao
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17:23:55Araqhi fredmorcos welcome
17:26:44dom96BitPuffin: ok i is here
17:28:34BitPuffindom96: let'g go?
17:29:11BitPuffindom96: YOU ARE NOT IN ZE VNUG
17:29:17dom96CALM DOWN
17:29:19BitPuffinYOU LIED TO ME
17:29:21BitPuffinYOU LIED
17:29:24dom96I WAS TALKING WITH MY MOTHER
17:29:30BitPuffinI THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS
17:29:31dom96actually wait, I need tea
17:29:36BitPuffinI GUESS NOT THEN!!!
17:30:13BitPuffindom96: we could have been searching for a match while you were getting your british tea!!
17:31:59dom96A true British Tea cannot be rushed.
17:39:19shevythis is why the boston tea party event happened
17:40:36fredmorcosAraq, hello.. what's up?
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17:50:38OrionPKcoffee > tea
18:01:21fredmorcostrue that
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19:02:46gradhaGuest29850: hiding from the joker?
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19:03:13Guest29850lol shhhh
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20:47:42dom96Guys, tweet the languages you used this year with the #code2013 hashtag: http://code2013.herokuapp.com/
20:47:55dom96And by that I mean: everybody tweet "Nimrod #code2013" :P
20:52:54dom96!seen wbhart
20:52:54NimBotI have not seen wbhart
20:57:49shevysoon it is 2014
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20:59:55OrionPKfuck is it cold here
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21:03:21EXetoChow come
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21:05:06dom96yay people
21:05:13BitPuffinYAY PEEPL
21:14:57OrionPKdom96 you expose that socket yet?
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21:17:04dom96OrionPK: No, not yet sorry.
21:17:12dom96May do it after dinner today
21:17:23dom96If someone in VNUG doesn't distract me *cough*
21:18:12EXetoCjust calculate the field offset and then perform a cast. what could go wrong?
21:19:09OrionPKno
21:19:10OrionPKp
21:19:36OrionPKgod this coffee is so tasty
21:19:40NimBotnimrod-code/babel master 099dbbf Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz [+0 ±1 -0]: Adds note about babel runtime dependencies.
21:19:40NimBotnimrod-code/babel master 8219bcb Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #26 from gradha/pr_adds_note_about_dependencies... 2 more lines
21:20:18dom96bbl
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22:34:40OrionPKhow does nimrod js backend do dead code elimination (or does it?)
22:35:16Araqit does it by voodoo
22:35:58Araqhow come I'm not the only one without a life here?
22:36:05OrionPKwhat a cad
22:36:10dom96We're programmers, we have no life.
22:36:13OrionPKit's 4:30 araq
22:36:17Araqit's new year's eve!
22:36:17OrionPKfor me
22:36:21Araqoh ..
22:36:29dom96Araq: Let's celebrate together!
22:36:29Araqwell it's 23:30h here
22:36:33OrionPK;D
22:36:38dom96On the VNUG
22:36:39Araqwell I celebrate in half an hour
22:36:41OrionPKi'm going out @ 8:30
22:37:01OrionPKI dont have MUCH of a life, but I am going out :P
22:37:18dom96I went nowhere, and now i'm depressed.
22:37:22Araq@8:30 wtf
22:37:30Araqam or pm?
22:37:33OrionPKpm
22:37:51Araqso it's 4:30 pm ?
22:38:04OrionPK4 hours from now
22:38:09Araqaka 16:30 ?
22:38:12OrionPKyes
22:38:19OrionPKat 20:30 im going out
22:38:21Araqam and pm sucks btw
22:38:32Araqcool cool, big party huh?
22:38:35OrionPKtake it up with the english speaking countries of the world
22:38:54OrionPKgoing to the kitty cat klub
22:39:14Araqis that a strip club?
22:39:19OrionPKi wish
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22:43:13OrionPKgerman strip clubs are probably better than here
22:43:31OrionPKdo they let you drink in & have fully nude in the same establishment?
22:45:08Araqlol of course
22:45:27OrionPKhere there are two kinds of strip clubs
22:45:43OrionPKthe kind where it's topless only and they can serve alcohol, and the kind where its fully nude and no alcohol
22:46:20Araqwell we have "all you can drink" in strip clubs too ...
22:46:57Araqdoesn't help though, at the end of the night you won't have any money left ...
22:47:06OrionPKhehe
22:51:24OrionPKstill dont see nimrod on here
22:51:24OrionPKhttp://code2013.herokuapp.com/
22:53:19Araqthe problem is the nimrodders are all opposed to social media and the internet in general
22:53:39OrionPKI do dislike twitter...
22:53:57Araqthey also tend to dislike computers and computer games
22:54:09Araqand women and alcohol
22:54:10OrionPKI dont ever play games
22:54:15OrionPKor lay women
22:54:20Araqsee?
22:54:20OrionPKhmm
22:54:29AraqXD
22:54:37OrionPKbut i do like alcohol and computers
22:54:42OrionPKespecially together
22:55:53OrionPKand looking up women on computers while drunk is pretty awesome
22:56:55Araqwell obviously I was kidding
22:57:09dom96Araq: 3 minutes for you :O
22:57:22dom96Timezones ruin all the fun
22:57:36Araqoh yeah
22:57:40AraqI need more wine brb
22:59:07Araqback
23:00:23Araqhappy new year!
23:02:30OrionPKyaay
23:15:02Araqalright dom96 so this is how the new tester looks:
23:15:25Araqtests are grouped by a category and this will be reflected in testresults.html
23:15:49Araqthe distinction between reject, compile, run works differently
23:16:29Araqit's not based on the funny directory scheme anymore
23:16:53Araqalso tests can contiain:
23:17:01Araqtargets: "js c c++"
23:17:17Araqand then the test is for multiple targets at the same time
23:17:54dom96hrm ok. You didn't change testresults.json right?
23:18:03Araqright
23:18:07dom96Good.
23:19:21Araqfinally the tester will output its results into testament.db for my querying pleasures :P
23:19:39Araqand we can generate much better reports from that later
23:19:56Araqlike "show me the history of this test. when did it broke the first time?"
23:20:01dom96Well do you expect nimbuild to upload that file somewhere?
23:20:29Araqwell ultimately it should be uploaded to some github repo
23:20:36dom96or will the tester automatically upload its testament.db to some git repo?
23:20:44dom96because that would be cool :P
23:20:46Araqthat's a possibility too
23:20:58AraqI'm not implementing that for now
23:21:03dom96ok
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23:23:47OrionPKpooping is taking over my life
23:25:19Araqer what exactly does testresults.json contain?
23:25:49Araqthe data field contains the HTML?
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23:27:45dom96Araq: It just contains numbers.
23:39:57Araqtrue
23:40:10Araqcool so I can get rid of the HTML rendering in this path