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06:44:14FromGitter<vegansk> What do you think about https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/4714? I think that it must be solved before version 1.0 is out. It's really unusable for now when writing common code for the client and the server for example.
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10:07:11coffeepotheya :)
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10:07:33coffeepoti noticed in ospaths there's a line checking for RISCOS, is this the old archemedies RISC OS?! :)
10:09:19Araqyes
10:12:14Araqthat doesn't mean Nim has been ported to riscos ;-)
10:14:19coffeepothaha! I loved riscos, one of my favourite OS (nostalgia may play a part)
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10:23:07ldleworksame way I feel for os 8/9
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14:44:21hohlerdeshould procCall still be used to call base methods?
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15:13:01FromGitter<kless> Which is the road to next verion/s? Option to non-GC using lifetimes, mobile (compile to NDK)?
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15:26:15Araqkless: 0.15 is mostly cleaning things up and hopefully better documentation
15:26:25Araq0.16 will be stdlib cleanup
15:26:54Araqnon-GC future is region-based memory management
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15:33:46FromGitter<kless> @Araq respect to non-GC future, will be safe to avoid both dangling pointers and memory leaks?
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15:41:11*flyx made some experiments with GC: parsing 100kb of YAML with default GC takes 28ms, with --gc:stack it takes 17ms. results vary because benchmarks are always lying, but it is a rather noticeable gap.
15:48:02dom96flyx: I think you should try a larger YAML file, the longer the time the more reliable your results.
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15:49:45coffeepotis nim heading toward removing the gc entirely? Or just as an option?
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15:49:58reactormonkoption.
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15:50:07coffeepotcool
15:50:43coffeepottho am also looking forward to region memory management as a bonus :)
15:50:50flyxdom96: yeah, I just thought, nobody would come up with YAML larger than 100kb. but why not? I autogenerate the input anyway
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16:03:47flyxfor 1mb, I get the following values: default GC: 324ms, --gc:stack: 174ms
16:04:07flyxfor 10mb, the timing library I use overflows :)
16:04:49dom96it overflows? how?
16:05:14flyxit gives -302299μs
16:05:24flyxprobably because it is actually counting nanoseconds
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16:07:44dom96it should have a setting to count in ms instead :P
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16:31:58FromGitter<kless> Any library to work with binary data? Reading/writing big-endian, little-endian
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18:39:47GustavoLapastaIn python I have mylist.pop(i) to remove and return the item in position i from mylist. What would I use with a Nim sequence?
18:45:13AraqGustavoLapasta: you can use myseq.pop
18:46:04GustavoLapastapop(): "returns the last item of s and decreases s.len by one"
18:46:18GustavoLapastai need to remove the i-th element from a sequence
18:46:57GustavoLapastamaybe there's no one-liner for that, I'll have tp do some slicing?
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18:50:25hohlerdeto remove mylist.del or mylist.delete
18:51:07Araqdon't remember. I never delete in the middle, it's slow :P
18:53:37hohlerdeGustavoLapasta: so basically you would have two statements: get the i'th element and then delete it.
18:54:02cheatfateits better to mark it as deleted, then delete in the middle
18:55:23GustavoLapastawhat about
18:55:24GustavoLapasta popped = mylist[0]
18:55:24GustavoLapasta mylist = mylist[1..mylist.high()]
18:55:40GustavoLapasta(to pop the first item)
18:56:52hohlerdeshould work
18:57:05GustavoLapastaI mean, there's no one liner also to pop the first item, right?
18:57:23hohlerdeI am not aware of one
18:57:41GustavoLapastakk
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19:21:02rudi_sHi, new nim user here. Just looking at the nre module (and its doc). How can I match a string and extract the groups? The docs says "abc".match(re"(\w+)").captures[0] but that fails in the current nim with:
19:21:06rudi_sfoo.nim(14, 7) Error: type mismatch: got (Option[nre.RegexMatch])
19:21:10rudi_sbut expected one of:
19:21:12rudi_sproc captures(pattern: RegexMatch): Captures
19:21:48rudi_sIt looks like the get is missing and it should be "abc".match(re"(\w+)").get.captures[0]
19:22:12Araqnot captures[0].get ?
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19:22:46rudi_sMaybe in addition to my get. But match/find returns an Option.
19:23:41Araqok, then
19:23:48Araqdoesn't look like you need help ;-)
19:24:07rudi_sWell, consider it a bug report ;-) - the question comes soon.
19:24:28rudi_sOh, and is there a shorter/better way to extract data: let x = "a = b".find(re"^(\w+?)\s*=\s*(\w+?)$"); if x.isSome: echo x.get.captures[0]; echo x.get.captures[1] - feels quite long to have to use x.isSome and then get on each arg.
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19:27:04Araqrudi_s: we de-deprecated re.nim
19:27:21rudi_sAraq: I'm talking about nre.
19:27:23Araqif x =~ re"pattern": echo matches[0]
19:27:40rudi_sIs there a reason why Option doesn't evaluate to true/false depending if it has a value or not? Would at least make the if better.
19:28:05rudi_sAraq: Where can I find doc for that. It's not here: http://nim-lang.org/docs/nre.html
19:28:20rudi_sAh, de-deprecated.
19:28:28rudi_sThen you didn't de-deprecate the docs.
19:28:44rudi_s"Regular expression support for Nim. Deprecated. Consider using the nre or pegs modules instead."
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19:29:45csorianoAraq: do you happen to know if the gtk2 bindings were manually created?
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19:44:33Araqcsoriano: pas2nim'ed and then heavily modified
19:44:44csorianoAraq: aha I see
19:46:15Araqrudi_s: http://nim-lang.org/0.15.0/re.html
19:46:34Araqhas "Edit" buttons
19:46:44Araqso people can easily improve the docs
19:46:55Araqfor now I got 0 PRs thanks to this feature.
19:47:40Araqso you would be first and since it's a githut PR, you can improve your CV with it too.
19:54:47rudi_sAraq: Ah, it was de-deprecated for 0.15 and the message is gone. That's fine.
19:55:02rudi_sIs nre deprecated for 0.15?
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19:57:10Araqa good question.
19:57:20Araqno, not yet.
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20:02:19rudi_sAraq: Are there any short examples for the re module?
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20:08:20stisa_So lets say I want to build nim from github on windows, can I use 0.14.2 to build koch and then that to build devel?
20:09:22Araqstisa_: yes
20:09:58rudi_sAraq: Is if x =~ re"pattern": echo matches[0] supposed to work in 0.14.2? let x = "foo"; if x =~ re"[aeiou]": echo matches[0] prints nothing here.
20:10:05stisa_Araq: cool, thanks
20:11:31Araqrudi_s: you need to put it in ()
20:11:38Araqit's still a regex
20:11:51Araqalso watch out that reExtended is the default
20:12:06Araqso you can use spaces in your regex but they don't match spaces
20:13:10rudi_sAraq: Thanks. But that still doesn't work. The if is not entered.
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20:13:48Araqfoo doesn't contain only vowels
20:14:11rudi_sAraq: Are the regex answered by default?
20:14:37Araq'anchored'. I think so.
20:14:51rudi_sAh yeah, anchored ;-)
20:15:32rudi_sIs there a way to de-anchor them? It's very unexpected as I don't know any other language which anchored per default.
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20:24:23Araqpython: match vs find
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20:24:33rudi_sYeah. But not with =~
20:26:13rudi_sI guess it's re".*XXX.*"
20:26:41Araqyou can also use re.find if you need to find things
20:30:46rudi_sYeah. But I find this inconsistency makes it harder to read the code. I also hate that in python.
20:31:04rudi_sfind vs. match is IMO not obvious and makes no sense to an unknowing reader.
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20:31:47rudi_sBtw. is there a reason why Option doesn't evaluate to true/false depending if it has a value or not? Would at least make the if better.
20:34:34Araqwe don't like converters to bool.
20:34:46Araqor converters in general.
20:35:27Araqfind vs match makes perfect sense, either you perform data validation (match) or you search for something (find)
20:38:02Araqanchors are harder to read, does $ match the end or a newline?
20:38:46rudi_sI see. Is there a specific reason why converters to bool are bad?
20:39:26rudi_sHm. Never thought of it with that meaning. Sounds sane .. but I must have used it a thousand times in python and still can't remember it.
20:40:05rudi_sDepends on the regex settings. Per default of the string.
20:42:15Araqpretty sure per default $ is different from \z and stops at the newline :P
20:42:27Araqregular expressions are such a mess
20:42:54rudi_sNot in Perl. - But yeah, regex are a mess.
20:43:05rudi_sCan I get the type of a variable?
20:43:26Araqyes, but usually you know the type.
20:43:49rudi_sHow?
20:43:59Araqbecause Nim is statically typed.
20:44:08Araqit's known at compile-time.
20:44:49rudi_sBut for example in json where I can use [0] I'm not sure what the result type is.
20:45:15rudi_sAnd I could either look it up in the docs or maybe nim has a function to tell me.
20:45:44Araqno, you move your mouse cursor over the thing and let your editor with nimsuggest plugin tell you
20:51:12rudi_sSo there's no internal way to do that?
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20:51:42rudi_s(I don't like to install plugins for such a task. Especially if I'm experimenting with a new language.)
20:52:56csorianoAraq: since the gtk2 bindings are not generated from GIR, the memory management for memory anotations (full, none, container) are not managed at all in here right? That means, it is leaking all of them, or am I missunderstanding how the FFI works here?
20:54:09Araqrudi_s: import typetraits; echo type(x).name
20:55:29rudi_sAraq: Perfect. Thank you!
20:56:50Araqcsoriano: what's GIR? :-)
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20:57:11csorianoGObject introspection
20:57:23Araqhow does it help with memory management?
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20:59:48csorianowell it helps with the whole FFI. Basically it has anotations for return values, like "transfer full" (transfers ownership of a GList and its objects), "transfer none", "transfer container" (juts the GList needs to be freed). It's of course possible to do manually just reading the docs.
21:00:25csorianoI was just wondering, I cannot see this difference management of memory in the generated nim code on the gtk2 bindings. Or maybe I'm missunderstanding how the GC works in here...
21:01:09Araqcheck out https://github.com/jdmansour/nim-smartgi
21:01:50csorianoAraq: ah perfect, thanks
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21:01:51Araqto answer your question: the wrapper uses 'ptr T', not 'ref T', so the GC doesn't mess with anything and you need to manually free stuff
21:03:43csorianomanually as in the user, or the binding?
21:04:27csorianoI was looking at aporia and doesn't seem to unref/ref, except in one case
21:06:56Araqthe user.
21:07:37Araqwhy would aporia unref? it doesn't create widgets after startup and for shutdown it's meaningless
21:07:54Araqharmful even, the OS cleans up.
21:14:34rudi_sIs there a way to get qualified imports?
21:17:00csorianomaybe aporia doesn't really call anything that trasnfers onwership. So I guess it's fine. In any case, if glib/gtk+ transfer ownership, the client should do GC_ref and GC_unref right?
21:17:22csorianos/client/user
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21:28:43AraqI guess so.
21:29:15Araqrudi_s: from module import nil
21:30:09rudi_sAraq: Ah, nice. - Is the recommended way in nim to always use unqualified imports?
21:31:46rudi_sCan nim's templating support something like perl's qw( a b c ) which is converted to a list 'a', 'b', 'c'?
21:32:54Araqthat's a macro away. qw"a b c "
21:33:01Araqexercise for the reader :P
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21:39:42rudi_s;-) Awesome. Good to know what it will work (once I learn nim's macros).
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21:47:06csorianoAraq: the repo you pointed out has smart pointers for GObjects, which is what I was looking for. Pretty nice. https://github.com/jdmansour/nim-smartgi/blob/master/gobjectutils.nim#L95
21:47:34csorianoalso kudos for the macros, this https://github.com/jdmansour/nim-smartgi/blob/master/gobjectutils.nim#L247 in the rust bindings are much harder :)
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21:48:39Araqyay, generic converters. let's hope these still work
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21:59:11GaveUpprobably a stupid question but given a memfile opened r/w how are you suppose to write to .mem at some offset
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22:03:43Araqcast[ptr byte]([cast[int](x.mem) + offset])[] = 4
22:03:56Araqusually wrapped in a template.
22:06:11Araqcast[ptr byte](cast[int](x.mem) + offset)[] = 4 # fixed typo
22:08:12GaveUpargh... stupid mistake... missing the []
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22:08:16GaveUpthanks
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22:24:44rudi_sAny idea what "On most operating systems, will fail if a lonk" could mean in the doc for os.createSymlink?
22:28:57Araqs/lonk/link
22:29:51Araqs/lonk/link
22:30:14rudi_s*is already present?
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22:34:36Araqaye
22:34:52Araqdid I tell you you can easily create PRs to improve the docs?
22:35:10Araqand no, don't ask me how that got through our review process.
22:35:25AraqI suppose we don't read comments.
22:36:50rudi_sAraq: ;-) - You did and I was planing to do that. Just wasn't sure what that sentence was supposed to mean.
22:40:14Araqrudi_s: how does $_ work in perl? just some special constructs that use it?
22:40:33Araqor are there rules for non-builtin functions too?
22:41:49rudi_sAraq: Just for builtin functions.
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22:47:36rudi_sBtw. is nim "designed" to be able to omit braces in many places or this just by accident? For example echo("hi") vs. echo "hi". I really like this but I'm not sure if it's just by accident and I shouldn't use it when writing nim-code.
22:48:44AraqI would say "designed"
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22:49:40Araqthough the rules evolved.
22:49:50rudi_sNice, I like that.
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23:00:51rudi_sHow can I add references/links to proc's on the same page in the documentation?
23:01:26rudi_se.g. I want to link "cstringArrayToSeq" in the system docs to the matching proc on the same page
23:01:43Araqit's RST. maybe `#anchor`_
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23:04:59rudi_sThanks will try it. How can I build the docs?
23:05:22Araqkoch website
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23:07:06Araqdamn. I tried to write a macro that models Perl's $_
23:07:18Araqbut I figured, it's not even necessary
23:08:04Araq{.this: it.} and some appropriate overloads produce the same result
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23:16:29rudi_sNice. - I was really impressed when you showed me the =~ example which locally defines the matches variable just for this scope. Being able to write custom code which can do that feels like a really great feature.
23:26:34Araqhttps://gist.github.com/Araq/eb9f9168b6751737b2cc4f9872f8e562
23:32:05cheatfateAraq, is {.bitsize.} pragma works?
23:32:38Araqit translates into ': size' in C struct decls
23:32:55Araqmaybe you can find a way to break that too :P
23:33:07Araqgood night.
23:33:14cheatfategood night
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