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| 01:32:04 | flaviu | Joe_knock: That second link looks a lot like a old copy of the tutorial |
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| 17:29:44 | kokozedman | hey guys, I know this is a bit unrelated ... but does anyone know of any existing project that act as a TLS/SSL Server as front-end, and connect clear-text with a backend? |
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| 17:34:53 | Varriount|Busy | kokozedman: You mean, an https proxy? |
| 17:39:24 | kokozedman | Varriount|Busy: yes, exactly ... but I'm trying to find ones that are really small, like using MatrixxSSL or PolarSSL |
| 17:39:42 | kokozedman | it's a project for Router, and we all know how big the spaces in these devices are |
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| 17:44:38 | Varriount|Busy | kokozedman: Oh, so nginx is out? I've used that to secure a connection to a webapp that didn't support https. |
| 17:47:59 | EXetoC | less secure though, right? |
| 17:50:58 | Joe_knock | For a tiny server-like system that would run on an embedded device, you'll most likely have to look at C (or write one for Nim) |
| 17:52:50 | kokozedman | most SSL functionalities in these convinient software are all based on OpenSSL ... it's at least about 1 MB in size and about 640KB when uncompressed |
| 17:53:10 | kokozedman | that's so big that I don't have enough space left to place my actual app in the router |
| 17:53:30 | kokozedman | Varriount|Busy: nginx is way too big... |
| 17:54:06 | kokozedman | I'm investigating MatrixxSSL, as they advertise it to be 50KB in size |
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| 17:55:28 | kokozedman | EXetoC: I don't agree, OpenSSL is like one the biggest SSL library out there, look at how many security bugs have been discovered recently; MatrixxSSL claims they don't have those bugs |
| 17:57:36 | EXetoC | he said without https |
| 17:59:11 | kokozedman | yes, I understand what he said... my goal is just plain SSL/TLS layering |
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| 18:09:24 | Joe_knock | Why does a router need OpenSSL level security? |
| 18:10:38 | Varriount|Busy | kokozedman: Did you investigate this - http://wolfssl.com/yaSSL/Products-cyassl.html ? |
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| 18:13:48 | kokozedman | Joe_knock: because we'll put app that non-conventional router has |
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| 18:14:56 | kokozedman | Varriount|Busy: ah... heard of it, but didn't ... thanks for reminding me |
| 18:19:29 | kokozedman | Good night all. |
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| 18:25:21 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: I agree with the suppression of experimental features in the release builds. Would this '--experimental' switch be something enabled at bootstrap time, or at runtime? |
| 18:26:35 | Araq | at runtime but I'm also thinking about allowing it per module basis |
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| 18:26:52 | Araq | either via yet another pragma or via the #! mechanism |
| 18:28:26 | Araq | btw other things that will likely be removed/replaced: |
| 18:28:36 | Araq | * standalone except/finally |
| 18:28:43 | Araq | * do notation |
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| 18:31:55 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: 'do' notation will be removed? Is it that buggy? |
| 18:32:18 | Araq | no, but it shouldn't produce an anon proc |
| 18:32:28 | Araq | it should simply introduce a block |
| 18:33:09 | Varriount|Busy | Then how will it be used for procedures that take closures? |
| 18:33:31 | Araq | well it won't |
| 18:34:04 | Araq | it's only useful for passing multiple blocks to a macro then |
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| 18:39:49 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: So, I got a little taste of the internals of multiple inheritance in C++ last week. |
| 18:40:13 | Varriount|Busy | Araq: I think I understand much better why Nimrod doesn't have it. |
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| 19:00:54 | gour | anyone considering to do some PIN - Programming in Nim - e(book) around/post 1.0? |
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| 19:10:35 | Araq | gour: that's likely my job |
| 19:10:52 | Araq | but I planned to do this for years and never find the time |
| 19:12:22 | gour | Araq: count on me to buy you a copy...maybe you can start with ebook |
| 19:12:58 | EXetoC | there's that examples site. maybe expand on that |
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| 19:13:42 | Mat4 | hello |
| 19:13:48 | gour | maybe do pre-order fund-raising,how it's called kick-start fundraising |
| 19:15:02 | gour | i took a look at e.g. Go's PiG book, it's ~470p and i'm sure there are enough materials to write about Nim do to decent book and increase awareness of it |
| 19:15:57 | Araq | money is not the problem, time is the problem |
| 19:17:00 | gour | you still count on 1.0 this year? |
| 19:17:22 | Araq | yes |
| 19:17:33 | Mat4 | Araq: delegate chapter writing to others |
| 19:17:53 | Mat4 | who want to contribute |
| 19:19:19 | Araq | meh that will suck |
| 19:19:28 | Araq | different writing styles |
| 19:20:12 | gour | the other day i suggested to write asciidoc(tor) implementation in nim to beat severely ruby version which is 20-25x quicker than the original one. |
| 19:20:51 | gour | github uses it, so having one in nim would be nice to make more people interested... |
| 19:23:20 | Araq | well we have an RST implementation. github is not interested afaict. |
| 19:24:08 | gour | Araq: you prefer rst over asciidoc? |
| 19:24:22 | Araq | I don't know asciidoc |
| 19:24:30 | Araq | I prefer it over markdown |
| 19:25:46 | gour | Araq: i also prefer it over markdown - see http://asciidoctor.org/ - nice project with direct rendering into pdf, generting ebooks, rendering in browser (asciidoc.js) etc. |
| 19:27:49 | gour | markdown is ok for simple posts, but for more i prefer richer (asciidoc) markup |
| 19:28:34 | Araq | after skimming asciidoc I prefer RST over asciidoc |
| 19:29:13 | gour | pro git book is done in asciidoc |
| 19:29:19 | gour | Araq: which syntax? |
| 19:29:39 | Araq | RST > asciidoc |
| 19:29:51 | gour | you mean richer? |
| 19:30:46 | gour | one can submit asciddoc source to o'reilly to get printed..asciidoc is, imho, more suitable for larger docs like books etc. |
| 19:31:15 | gour | anyway, not much with nim, just suggestion. everyone according to their taste, that's ok ;) |
| 19:31:46 | * | gour is still waiting for btrfs' balance to end from raid1 into single |
| 19:34:04 | Araq | I can produce pdf from Nim's RST quite easily |
| 19:34:46 | gour | it can handle multi-chapters, parts etc.? |
| 19:39:52 | Araq | it can handle anything I need, chapters, tables, generating an index |
| 19:40:08 | Araq | Nim syntax highlighting |
| 19:45:18 | gour | will you take some light break after 1.0? |
| 19:48:05 | Araq | I don't think so. |
| 19:49:01 | gour | just found out that in order to contribute docs to opensuse, one has to use some subset of DocBook :-( |
| 19:49:29 | gour | Araq: do you have some major points for post 1.0 phase? |
| 19:50:12 | Araq | you mean major features after 1.0? yes. lots of. |
| 19:51:00 | gour | for 1.x only? are there listed somewhere or still in your head only? |
| 19:51:38 | Araq | my todo contains some, some are only in my head |
| 19:52:28 | Araq | the roadmap contains some too |
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| 19:58:50 | gour | there will be no release prior to 1.0? |
| 20:01:05 | gour | Araq: i see 'The new concurrency model' and wonder how, in general Nim's concurrency model compares with other more 'modern' languages in taking advantage of multi-core cpus? |
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| 20:04:00 | Araq | gour: well it uses multi-core cpus just fine |
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| 20:05:57 | Araq | it's also memory safe or let's say it's obvious when it's not safe |
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| 20:06:43 | Araq | but also improves upon the classical low level locking based concurrency |
| 20:07:20 | gour | i can't speak about the details not being skilled enough, but e.g. rust's syntax is awful in comparison with nim's beauty...and this is, at least for me, one of the factors as well |
| 20:07:38 | gour | how do you like golang's channels? |
| 20:11:41 | Araq | they suck |
| 20:13:33 | Araq | you either have to enforce statically that the message is immutable or perform a deepcopy of it |
| 20:13:38 | Araq | golang does neither |
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| 20:21:59 | gour | how is that they've made such a hype around the language? |
| 20:23:38 | EXetoC | cus, google? |
| 20:23:53 | gour | yeah, that's only explanation |
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