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00:24:20FromDiscord_<Joshua S. Grant> Is there any 'documentation tool' for Nim like Mdbook for Rust or Dottydoc for Scala3; Or is it recommended to just use mkdocs or similar?
00:24:51leorizenim doc
00:26:49FromDiscord_<Joshua S. Grant> OH WOW; Major oversite by me then, lol, sorry and thanks
00:29:09skrylar[m]thats a big jumble. nim doc is more like doxygen. mdbook is more like mkdocs or hugo
00:30:08skrylar[m]but there is an rst2html thing built in to the nim compiler too, if you don't feel like hugo/nikola/mkdocs for some reason
00:30:11FromDiscord_<Joshua S. Grant> The relative promise of what HCR is to deliver -- has made Nim like 10x more intersting to me as someone who has barely ever touched Python; Like between that and the Lispy macro-system, it's looking so dang attractive for gamedev / live-coding
00:34:19FromDiscord_<Joshua S. Grant> Yeah, looking more for mdbook-styled than some aproximation of api docs / annotated comments.
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00:37:36skrylar[m]i need to finally sit down with nims hcr and test it
00:38:01skrylar[m]hugo has themes like Learn which i suppose are close to mdbook
00:38:13skrylar[m]wasn't mdbook just a markdown processor written in rust
00:38:39skrylar[m]nims hcr also seems to only trigger when you trigger it, which i suppose avoids a lot of issues
00:39:29skrylar[m]not sure if anything stupid happens if you use hcr and threads
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01:00:28FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Joshua S. Grant Keep in mind that HCR is still quite a bit finicky - it usually is in any lowish-level language that's directly compiled to machine code .
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01:11:10skrylar[m]yea but being able to swap a couple of functions can be enough
01:11:49skrylar[m]i remember years ago trying to use embeddable common lisp, tiptoeing around some things like segfaults on the c side killing the whole thing
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01:25:09FromGitter<timotheecour> is there a search functionality for IRC chat logs https://irclogs.nim-lang.org/ ? the gitter search is broken beyond repair
01:27:24FromGitter<timotheecour> (or get access to the db locally)
01:32:56FromDiscord_<Yardanico> Well one way is to use Google, it indexed quite a lot of pages in there
01:38:19FromGitter<timotheecour> ya i guess `site:https://irclogs.nim-lang.org/ “literal”` is the best bet; would still be nice to at least allow users to access db (no idea where it’s hosted, i haven’t looked into irc repo)
01:38:54FromDiscord_<Yardanico> It's hosted on the same VPS where Nimbot itself runs
01:40:01FromGitter<timotheecour> hmm https://github.com/nim-lang/nimbot readme is rather… limited
01:40:41FromDiscord_<Yardanico> Well I just have access to that VPS (because it runs FromDiscord as well) and so I know :P
01:40:56FromDiscord_<Yardanico> I guess you can ask Dom so he could give you access
01:42:15FromGitter<timotheecour> ok thanks for the info; well ideall it’d be for all, not just for me; i feel it wouldn’t be hard to at least write some good local-client based search tool around gitter
01:42:48FromDiscord_<Yardanico> Well yeah that's true the IRC logs contain tons of useful info
01:43:14FromGitter<timotheecour> likewise with forum search; searching raw data via raw db access would overcome the known limitations of forum online search
01:43:56FromGitter<timotheecour> > tons of useful info ⏎ ⏎ can’t agree more
01:46:40FromDiscord_<Yardanico> You can also use Discord search but it's also limited, and it was bridged to IRC only around 1.5-2 years ago
01:47:00FromDiscord_<Yardanico> But I think that sharing IRC logs should be harmless since they don't contain any private data
01:47:43FromDiscord_<Yardanico> I can do it myself with the permission from dom (I mean make a backup of IRC logs and publish it somewhere)
01:49:16FromGitter<timotheecour> oh cool, definitely ask his permission (but he should have a strong rationale if he doesn’t agree) and provide some instructions somewhere!
01:49:45FromGitter<timotheecour> Size wise, should be small = < 1GB i assume
01:50:03FromGitter<timotheecour> (i mean probably much less)
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01:51:08FromDiscord_<Yardanico> Well actually I just checked and in total it's 2gb
01:51:28FromDiscord_<Yardanico> They go all way back to the middle of 2012
01:51:48FromDiscord_<Yardanico> also some of them are stored as .html and others as .logs (seems like marshal'd into json nim objects)
01:51:54FromGitter<timotheecour> perfect; (maybe answer here https://github.com/timotheecour/Nim/issues/126 or create a new issue)
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01:53:53FromDiscord_<Yardanico> yeah I commented https://github.com/timotheecour/Nim/issues/126#issuecomment-619466472
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01:54:21FromDiscord_<Yardanico> The first day of logging seems to be https://irclogs.nim-lang.org/30-05-2012.html btw
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02:17:32FromDiscord_<Sophie> if you use a C++ library in nim code is the GC able to clean whatever memory the library allocates or do you need to do it manually
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02:47:10leorizeyou still have to do it manually
02:47:19leorizethe gc can only collect memory that belongs to it
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02:47:59leorizedisruptek: can you make your `github` module only add an Authorization when GITHUB_TOKEN exists in the environment?
02:48:18leorizenot all github APIs require a token
02:50:11FromDiscord_<Sophie> do you have a mildly long example of C++ integration code
02:50:45leorize!repo wxnim
02:50:54leorizedisbot?
02:51:43leorizehttps://github.com/PMunch/wxnim/blob/master/examples/purewx/example1.nim
02:51:48leorizehere's an example of wxwidgets
02:52:49FromDiscord_<Sophie> I see cnew, assume you’d have cdelete or similar, makes sense, thanks!
02:53:24leorizethat one in particular don't have it
02:53:46leorizebecause you're supposed to destroy them via their .destroy() method
02:54:00leorizebut then it's wxwidgets specific :P
02:54:03FromDiscord_<Sophie> yeah, it’s certainly a cool feature
02:54:15FromDiscord_<Sophie> don’t think I know any other language with C++ integration
02:56:50FromDiscord_<Varriount> Anyone here familiar with UDP?
03:00:47FromDiscord_<Sophie> vaguely
03:01:26FromDiscord_<Varriount> I'm looking for someone with more experience than I do to look at this PR: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/14109
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03:16:50FromDiscord_<Sophie> don’t know about that, hope someone can help you
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03:25:31PrestigeElegant Beef: are you around?
03:30:16FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Yes
03:30:31FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Man this bot really needs mentioning discord users
03:30:36FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> *No i will not use irc*
03:31:43FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Haha
03:34:42PrestigeSending u a request on Discord Elegant Beef
03:35:59FromGitter<bung87> how to pass compile flag when using nimble build?
03:38:04shashlickUse a cfg file
03:39:29FromGitter<bung87> I'm writing a tool so ,
03:41:54FromGitter<awr1> @bung87 use a nimble task or add a cfg file
03:43:33FromGitter<bung87> `build [opts, ...] [bin] ` what's the opts here
03:43:56FromGitter<bung87> when I run nimble build --help
03:44:03FromGitter<awr1> i think that is just flags for compiler
03:45:21FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Nim is OP
03:45:49FromGitter<bung87> hmm I may need read more nimble source code..
03:46:24FromGitter<awr1> ya im looking at it rn
03:46:39FromGitter<awr1> it looks like it just passes cmd line args to compiler
03:48:47shashlickIt does yes
03:49:00FromGitter<awr1> i just tested it too
03:49:53shashlick@awr1 since you are here, wanted to let you know that ast2 isn't in nimterop 0.4.4
03:50:14FromGitter<awr1> oh really
03:50:17shashlickIt's in master and I'm yet to tag it officially in 0.5.0
03:50:40shashlickWorking on various fixes and improvements
03:50:50shashlickChange log, etc
03:50:58FromGitter<awr1> LMK when you tag it so i can change cpuwhat
03:51:04shashlickWill do
03:51:30shashlickSlowed down due to thumb pain
03:51:35FromGitter<bung87> `nimble build -d:release` will work?
03:51:43shashlickYes should
03:51:48FromGitter<awr1> i will probably remove the hard nimterop dependency but keep it under a when branch
03:51:52FromGitter<awr1> *the old code
03:53:37FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Is it possible for me to be able to 'import' .so files?
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03:53:50FromGitter<awr1> i've been pining to possibly add ISPC support for it future, i don't quite have a plan yet for how to go about though
03:53:51FromGitter<awr1> https://ispc.github.io/
03:54:27shashlickYes look at dynlib and importc
03:54:29FromGitter<bung87> ah yes it works, I mis read the stdout, `Debug build;` info belongs the tool
03:54:57FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Thanks
03:56:02FromGitter<awr1> using intrinsics in GCC/Clang are annoying if you want to make portable software
03:56:32shashlickWhat do you want to import TC
03:57:27shashlickYou usually need to make a wrapper, as we call it, of the C functions you want to import
03:57:47FromGitter<RocksteadyTC> is there something like NVM for nim?
03:58:01FromGitter<awr1> choosenim
03:58:09FromGitter<awr1> https://github.com/dom96/choosenim
03:58:10FromGitter<RocksteadyTC> I'm trying to get an older app to run, and the error message is quite cryptic, but a friend gets it to run no problem in 0.17.2
03:58:14FromGitter<RocksteadyTC> thanks @awr1
03:59:10shashlickWhat's the error
04:01:15FromGitter<bung87> https://github.com/nim-lang/niminst I'm wondering this lib really in used?
04:01:59FromGitter<bung87> I can't get useful info from readme.txt
04:02:39FromGitter<awr1> https://github.com/nim-lang/niminst/blob/master/niminst.txt
04:03:01FromGitter<awr1> looks like you were looking at the wrong txt
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04:07:35FromGitter<bung87> oh, it should combine the link you provider and https://github.com/nim-lang/niminst/blob/master/niminst.nim `const Usage ` to readme
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04:08:28shashlickIt's used to create the zip file
04:08:41shashlickSee koch
04:15:56FromGitter<bung87> so , for macos it use zip packaging files right?
04:16:26shashlickPosix is the xz file
04:16:54shashlickBut all three can be recompiled from scratch on any other
04:20:58FromGitter<bung87> ok thank you , then I 'm not reinventing the tool.
04:21:52shashlickWhat do you need
04:24:05FromGitter<bung87> (https://files.gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim/GDba/Screenshot-2020-04-26-at-12.23.53-PM.png)
04:24:40FromGitter<bung87> I wrote this, could be part of webgui lib
04:26:04FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Can someone tell how easy my Python script (https://paste.pythondiscord.com/fitusadogi.py) would be to port to Nim?
04:30:41FromGitter<bung87> https://github.com/bung87/nim-pymod
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04:32:36FromGitter<bung87> oh wrong repo , it's nim to py
04:33:17shashlickYou can convert line by line in 10 minutes
04:33:56shashlickIt's short and doesn't import any 3rd party stuff
04:34:00FromGitter<bung87> https://github.com/oumugai/py2nim/blob/master/py2nim.py
04:35:52FromGitter<bung87> then using regex replace , think this would be the short way
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04:37:49FromGitter<bung87> also could build the py code to .so and import it in nim?
04:41:06FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Thanks :p
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05:10:48FromDiscord_<Ahri Fox> im new to nim, i cant figure out what to do: int var (that takes command line argument) cant evaluate at runtime (due to?) custom type that uses it. if types are at compile time and wont accept it, how else should i do it? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jBU
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05:12:26PrestigemaxOps is a variable but arrays are evaluated at compile time
05:12:37PrestigeSo I think you can't do array[maxOps, array[2, int]]
05:12:43narimiranuse `seq`
05:12:46Prestige^
05:12:59FromDiscord_<Ahri Fox> alrighty, thanks for the info
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05:27:30FromGitter<awr1> has anyone ever tried to generate C code (or more specifically C-like code) using the macro system directly? either through the compiler libs (though I don't know of any interface in the compiler libs that allows NimNode *directly* to be reformed into PNodes) or some other means?
05:28:14FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I don't know what you mean 😅
05:28:57FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Anyone know if a class system like `class name(classToInherit)` will be a thing?
05:29:30FromGitter<awr1> come to think of it i suppose the shader generation libs i've seen kinda count
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05:37:25FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Well technicae with the macro system that is possible but nim has inheritance so depending on what you need that's in already
05:38:41FromGitter<awr1> i'm considering approaches to an ISPC library for nim
05:39:01FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I want to be able to have a class that can accept arguments
05:39:50FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> What do you mean?
05:39:51FromGitter<awr1> where individual functions based on a nim subset could be compiled to the ISPC language
05:40:07FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> class that can accept arguements?
05:40:43FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Like a python class
05:40:47FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> With an init function
05:40:49FromGitter<awr1> what is missing from `type Foo = object of Bar` for you
05:40:54FromGitter<awr1> oh init functions
05:41:02FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Yeah :p
05:41:16FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> you mean a constructor?
05:41:24FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Yeah
05:41:24FromGitter<awr1> nim probably will not get user definable implicit ctors
05:41:31FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Damn
05:41:38FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I tried making my own hacky version
05:41:50FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> But I can't really do it well
05:41:54FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> i mean that's what people normally do `newObject`
05:42:08FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I can probably do it with more effort
05:42:25FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> How would newObject work?
05:42:32FromGitter<awr1> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1190
05:42:35FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> https://nim-by-example.github.io/macros/
05:42:45FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Also, the reason i wanna do it like this is because i am making a Python module in Nim
05:42:47FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> there is an example there that looks close to what you want
05:43:01FromGitter<awr1> standard nim way is you make a explicit proc that constructs things
05:43:22FromGitter<awr1> pretty straightforward imo
05:44:03FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Okay then, thanks
05:44:06FromGitter<awr1> if the issue for you is less that "you have to call ctors"
05:44:17FromGitter<awr1> and more that you want a ctor-ish definition in line with the object def
05:44:20FromGitter<awr1> you can do that with macros
05:44:41FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Okay, thanks
05:45:05FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I might just use tables with procs
05:47:29FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Can I define a proc inside of a proc?
05:47:46FromGitter<awr1> yes
05:48:11FromGitter<awr1> it will have closure capabilities unless you specify `{.nimcall.}`
05:49:11FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Thanks
05:52:45PrestigeIs there a way to run a command in nimscript in the background? I was trying exec "my command &" but that doesn't work
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05:55:47FromDiscord_<Varriount> Prestige: Why do you need to run a command in the background?
05:56:51PrestigeI'm trying to set up a nimble task to run my setup to manually test my WM, which launches Xephyr in the background then runs my WM on the new display
05:57:12Prestigecurrently I'm using a bash script, was hoping to get it running via nimble or a nim script
05:57:33FromDiscord_<Varriount> Prestige: Have nimble run the bash script?
05:57:49FromDiscord_<Varriount> Sorry, nimscript
05:58:08FromDiscord_<Varriount> Have nimscript execute the bash script
05:58:46PrestigeI mean atm I'm just doing ./run.sh, would be nice to just be able to add it to my nimdow.nimble and not have an external script at all
05:59:03PrestigeIs there no way to run a command in the background and continue execution?
05:59:38FromDiscord_<Varriount> With Nim, yes. With nimscript, I don't know
05:59:51PrestigeAh okay, thanks
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06:10:04FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Man varriount you need an avatar that fucked with me for a good 10 seconds
06:10:28FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Prestige you can use nimble build tasks if you want
06:10:42FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> but yea no clue about the non blocking
06:11:06PrestigeYeah I was using it to build but got hard stopped when I couldn't fork a process to the bg
06:11:33PrestigeLooked through the docs a couple times but haven't found anything yet
06:12:00PrestigeI would assume there's a way but 🤷
06:12:23FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Anyone know how I'd make an asynchronous function for use in python using Nimpy.
06:12:29FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> ?*
06:14:48FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Elegant Beef There.
06:14:55FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> thanks 😄
06:16:07FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Technicae Circuit How are you interfacing with Bumpy?
06:16:16FromDiscord_<Varriount> *Numpy
06:16:57FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> What?
06:17:02FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Nimpy
06:17:12FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> https://github.com/yglukhov/nimpy
06:17:31FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I can make Python functions in Nik or import Python modules
06:17:48FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> See this is why we need explicit names like `NimPythonBridge`
06:17:51FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> 😄
06:17:56FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Haha
06:22:12FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Technicae Circuit What do you mean by async? Python async or Nim async
06:23:22FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Python async
06:23:38FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I need to make an asynchronous Python function in Nim
06:24:02FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I'm basically wrapping httpclient for Python because it's faster then any Python alternative as of now
06:24:12FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> And i need it to be asyncronous
06:24:28FromDiscord_<Varriount> Hm.
06:25:02FromDiscord_<Varriount> What I would do, is create a regular Nim function and wrap that in an iterator which handles the state management.
06:25:49FromDiscord_<Varriount> That being said
06:26:03FromDiscord_<Varriount> You may just need to run it in another thread.
06:36:16FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Threading doesn't like async
06:36:25FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Okay then, thanks
06:36:48FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Also, if you know Python, how do i use an executor? :P
06:39:43FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Why are you using nimpy if i may ask?
06:40:45FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Because it's easy to make Python extensions with Nimpy
06:40:55FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> And i am still a python programmer at heart
06:41:08FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I am too attached to python but i also love Nim
06:41:10FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> So
06:41:47FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> ~~But python is so icky~~ Ah, ok
06:42:12FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Haha
06:47:00FromDiscord_<Varriount> ... I like Python
06:47:40FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> It's ok to be objectively wrong, it happens to some people sometimes 😛
06:47:53FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Technicae Circuit Personally, I would attempt to write a Nim dll, and interface with it via CFFI
06:48:03FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I use windows :p
06:48:18FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> And using cffi isn't allowed on PyPi i think
06:48:31FromDiscord_<Varriount> You mean Pypy?
06:48:40FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Nope
06:48:42FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> PyPi
06:48:42FromDiscord_<Varriount> PyPI is the package index
06:48:46FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Yeah
06:48:58FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Where you upload packages
06:49:18FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> You can't use cffi packages i think on PyPi
06:49:19FromDiscord_<Varriount> Uh... I don't see why using a particular dependency would bar you from uploading or using the package index.
06:49:48FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> They don't allow you to upload other languages that need an additional compiler i think
06:49:54FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> I can't remember exactly tho
06:49:54FromDiscord_<Varriount> I know that Numpy and some other scientific libraries use it.
06:50:00FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> They use Cython
06:50:08FromDiscord_<Varriount> Upload the generated Nim C code
06:50:23FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Since setuptools and distutils can compile the C by default
06:50:33FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> That's distro and arch specifc
06:50:38FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Specific*
06:50:42FromDiscord_<Varriount> Who is the "they" here?
06:51:06FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> They as in the people who run PyPi
06:51:43FromDiscord_<Varriount> PyPI is just a package index. The maintainers don't particularly care what dependencies or tools your package requires to run.
06:52:04FromDiscord_<Varriount> (maintainers, as in the ones who maintain the index)
06:52:06FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Hm
06:52:24FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Well, I don't think people will want another compiler on their system
06:53:12FromDiscord_<Varriount> Use the C files generated by Nim, and have setuptools/distutils/pip build it.
06:53:29FromDiscord_<Varriount> Or better yet, supply a wheel with pre-built binaries
06:53:30FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> But the C files are platform specific
06:53:38FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> A wheel is good
06:53:53FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> But idk how to make them 😅
06:54:29FromDiscord_<Varriount> In Nim? They are OS and architecture specific, but they're aren't that many combinations of those, and the Nim compiler can generate code for all of them from one system.
06:55:24FromDiscord_<Varriount> 64/32 bit x Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD
06:55:36FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Yeah
06:55:45FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Do you know how to make wheels btw?
06:56:00FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Oh yeah, Nimporter can make wheels iirc
06:56:12FromDiscord_<Varriount> Unfortunately I do not. I have not written C extensions before.
06:56:44FromDiscord_<Varriount> That being said, there's probably a dearth of information available on the interwebz
06:57:16FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Damn
06:57:23FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Thanks
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07:08:22FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Technicae Circuit Here's a project that uses CFFI - https://github.com/pyca/cryptography/blob/d75335a7de77d4294bea29d03928229a83a77493/setup.py
07:08:54FromDiscord_<Varriount> As you can see, it's completely simple and straightforward, just like all Python packaging processes.
07:09:22FromDiscord_<Varriount> \sarcasm\
07:09:30FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Oh cool
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07:12:54FromDiscord_<Varriount> The main things I see are adding cffi to setup_requires and a bunch of the side effect stuff
07:14:27FromDiscord_<Varriount> https://cffi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cdef.html#preparing-and-distributing-modules
07:14:36FromDiscord_<Varriount> That should also help
07:20:24FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Thanks
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07:48:27livcdThere's a lot of people here from discord recently wow
07:51:26FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Haha
07:51:40FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> There's 800 people in the discord
07:54:54livcdAmazing. Nim is really taking off.
07:55:18FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Mhm
07:57:31FromGitter<bung87> can I static read binary data?
07:57:58livcdbung87: yes
07:58:12FromGitter<bung87> really? how to do that
07:58:42livcdSorry I am a bit tipsy. But I staticRead an exe (a driver) and I install it before I execute my business logic in a Nim program
07:58:48livcdIs that what you were asking?
07:59:58FromGitter<bung87> not really understood your logic , I mean eg static read a zip file
08:00:33livcdYes you can
08:01:20livcdYou decompress at runtime the zip file
08:05:33FromGitter<bung87> before that I need convert it to cstring?
08:10:52FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> *Someone want to explain what "Static reading" is?*
08:11:08livcdi dont think you have to. You can just dump the zip file and decompress.
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08:11:38FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Ah it's an actual function
08:11:39FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> nvm
08:11:48FromGitter<bung87> ok,thank you, I'll try
08:12:16livcdElegant Beef: for resource embedding in the binary
08:14:04FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Yea i looked it up when i noticed you wrote it camel cased
08:15:19livcdElegant Beef: where are you from?
08:15:39FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Canada, why?
08:17:15livcdAh just thinking about when the people are most active on this channel
08:17:27livcdI would say it's still very EU centric
08:17:38FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Ah yea
08:18:34FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> :p
08:18:51PrestigeSome of us in the US just don't sleep
08:19:00Prestigeer, western hemisphere
08:20:01FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Man this dude just said Canada is in the US
08:20:17PrestigeCanada is just the USA's favorite hat, Beef
08:20:25FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Im thinking with your president tweeing "liberate X state" we might come down there and do it
08:20:30FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> tweeting*
08:21:00PrestigeI try to not read or hear anything he says
08:22:00livcdI dont see any difference between the US and Canda :P
08:22:02livcdsorry guys
08:22:48FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Damn
08:23:01livcdBut seriously :P
08:23:07FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> We have a parlimentary system, and most importantly garuentee healthcare as a human right
08:23:40livcdThat's just nuances. You coul do the same as US state
08:24:34FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Lol im certain the federal US government would like it if you made a new federal government in your state, and disregarded them 😄
08:25:13livcdPolitics aside I really see you like Germany and Austria
08:26:11FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Elegant Beef If it weren't for family, I would seriously consider trying to immigrate to Canada
08:26:22livcdMe too.
08:26:28PrestigeWhere are you all?
08:26:35livcdI am in Austria
08:26:39FromDiscord_<Varriount> East coast of the US
08:26:46PrestigeSame Varriount
08:27:09livcdI would immigrate to Canada just because it's easier in Canada than in the US. I would very much prefer the US though.
08:27:11FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Family schmamily, not like US/Canada has the worlds strictist border 😄
08:27:24livcdElegant Beef: Costs.
08:27:42FromDiscord_<Varriount> I like being within driving distance of my family
08:28:02FromDiscord_<Varriount> (so you can guess that I'm not in Vermont)
08:28:31FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Well the trick is you get so good at your job you own the company and get a private jet, this way you're preparing for failure 😛
08:28:40Prestigetwo guesses.. Georgia or Marland?
08:28:57PrestigeMaryland*
08:29:47livcdElegant Beef: Where are you in Canada?
08:29:52FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Also bold of you to know i know the placement of any states that arent major states ie NY,Cali,Washington,Florida,Texas,Louisana,Alabama,DC/Maryland
08:30:02FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> That's all my US geography 😄
08:30:34livcdIt does not matter
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08:31:00livcdIt's not like I can pin point any not so known german cities in Germany :P
08:31:24FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> I mean it's a very american thing to expect people to know where states are
08:31:45livcdIt's a european thing to know where at least the capital cities are
08:31:46FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> They got 50 states and have states with like 800k people in them, why are you dividing up land so agressively!
08:32:13FromDiscord_<Varriount> To be fair, although I can list all the states, I would have a hard time placing them all on a map
08:32:47livcdAhh I would not
08:33:03livcdI mean i learned that at high school
08:33:42PrestigeSame
08:34:43FromDiscord_<Varriount> livcd: There is a joke about a European friend/relative coming to visit someone on a state on the East coast (say, New York) and suggesting a "short" trip to visit Texas (Midwest) or California (West)
08:35:14livcdshort trip aye
08:36:05FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> There is another joke about a European suggesting using public transit in NA
08:36:10FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Get it cause most of it's garbage
08:36:12FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> 😛
08:36:14livcdIdk I always felt the US to be so surreal
08:36:29livcdI have to visit to really understand if it's real or not :P
08:36:46FromDiscord_<Varriount> @Elegant Beef That's highly dependant on the state
08:36:48livcdI never had such feeling about Asia
08:36:58FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> >public transit in NA
08:37:05livcdpublic transit is overrated
08:37:12livcdidc tbh
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08:38:03livcdIt's not a religion to me. It's nice if you have an access to an efficient public transit. But if you commute by car it's also nice.
08:38:03PrestigeIt's nice to have esp in big cities
08:38:12FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Well i dont drive and have no interest in getting a license
08:38:13livcdI used to drive in Seoul
08:38:24livcdI ver much preffered driving in Seoul than using a public transit in Seoul
08:38:25FromDiscord_<Varriount> I love public transit
08:38:26FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> I dont need a car, especially in this small town im in
08:38:34livcdAnd Seoul has one of the best public transit systems
08:38:50livcdexpress subway lines aaaaahhhh
08:40:46livcdI like Singapore the most though
08:44:44livcdElegant Beef: do you live in any of the big cities in Canada?
08:49:28FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Nope
08:49:31FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Bumfuck nowhere
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08:59:36PrestigeAre there plans to remove the necessity of forward declaring procs when they aren't listed in order?
09:01:05livcdwait is not that a feature? :P
09:01:23FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Isnt that in C/C++?
09:02:32FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Ah i totally know words and what they mean
09:02:38PrestigeCurrently you have to forward declare procs unless they are declared before they are called
09:02:50Prestigei.e. you can't call a proc before it's declared
09:03:56FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> isnt it like that with C and C++
09:04:12PrestigeYeah, afaik
09:04:15FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> I feel like as annoying as it is it's fine
09:04:46FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> It does suck if you want to call a function from inside another function but the function is above it for good reason
09:05:25PrestigeI prefer listing my functions in essentially the reverse order that is required to not have them forward declared, for readability. So I'm forward declaring all my procs, usually
09:06:45FromDiscord_<Elegant Beef> Eh, i just declare when/where i need without thinking and let the red squiggle tell me if i do good
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09:11:52PrestigeI think it's something that could be done, would be nice. Just don't know if it's even a considered proposal atm
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09:34:58FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> Is there a nice idiomatic way of attaching a few constant static properties to an object?
09:44:21FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> is wxnim pretty much dead by now or are there plans to begin updating it again in the future?
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09:50:44livcdWhy would it be dead?
09:52:00FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> There just hasn't been any updates in over a year
09:53:33livcdThat's not what dead means :P
09:54:23livcdYou need to deal with the fact that Nim's community is very small and a lot of libs will be maintained by solo developers.
09:55:15FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> I know and I understand that. I just really enjoy the language and want to be able to get more out of it.
09:56:04livcdRight now you are talking about PMunch's fork right?
09:57:24dom96There are thousands of possible libraries that could be created and much less Nim developers that have time to maintain them. If there is a library that you care about, help us maintain it :)
09:57:52FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> Yeah, that's the one.
09:58:09livcdone could say jester is also abandoned
09:58:10livcd:P
09:58:25dom96indeed
09:58:30dom96others would say it's complete :P
09:58:58narimiran_ahem... https://github.com/dom96/jester/pull/243
09:58:58FromDiscord_<InventorMatt> I've tried helping with some of the libraries but the low level stuff is hard for me to follow coming from a python background.
09:59:02livcdhttpbeast windows support when!
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09:59:27livcdbtw dom96
09:59:31livcdwhat's your bread and butter @ FB?
09:59:45dom96narimiran, yeah, that needs me to fix the CI, which I don't have the will for right now
10:00:02dom96livcd, httpbeast support for Windows never
10:00:04narimiranso, you can merge it now without CI?
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10:00:23narimiranCI is already failing even without that PR
10:00:35livcddom96: sadpandaface
10:00:44dom96narimiran, did you try the alltest manually?
10:00:52narimiranthis just unblocks me from sending a cleanup PR to nim repo
10:01:10dom96or can you? if it compiles and runs I'll merge
10:01:15narimiranlet me try
10:01:36dom96livcd, what do you mean by "bread and butter"? lol
10:04:18livcddom96: tech stack
10:04:30livcdbasically what do you do
10:06:35dom96A lot of Hack currently. But also some C++ and Python.
10:07:34FromDiscord_<Rika> Hello
10:07:47Prestigeo/
10:09:38FromDiscord_<Rika> Back to whittling on the model of tachiyomi in nim
10:10:16narimirandom96: how long should that test take? it seems like it just hangs :/
10:10:29dom96narimiran, it's a server, send some requests to it
10:10:37dom96see the file for the routes
10:10:55dom96test a few
10:11:02livcdhow's hack?
10:11:53dom96Fairly good for a PHP fork
10:13:30livcdDid you sneak in any Nim?
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10:15:12dom96Nope, but I have been trying :)
10:16:07FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> now thinking python damages the brain the way that basic was said to do :(
10:16:15narimirandom96: tested and it works. (i've just found another deprecated `random` in `alltest.nim`, so i force-pushed that one too)
10:17:02FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> declare a tuple of points, then wrestle with trying to iterate over it
10:17:49dom96narimiran, cool, thanks!
10:23:53FromDiscord_<0ffh> Q: In a library I am writing I have a few one-line convenience/readability procs that really should not result in a call/ret. Should I rather defined them as {.inline.} or as a template?
10:24:52PMunchDepends on what they do
10:25:23PMunchI tend to use templates
10:25:30FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> dom96 when you talk about hacks, what type of hacks?
10:25:48dom96I'm talking about the Hack programming language
10:26:05FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> Lol
10:29:00FromDiscord_<madprops> Nim is kinda hard to pun with isn't it
10:29:21FromDiscord_<madprops> not many words end or start with nim
10:30:10FromDiscord_<0ffh> @PMunch Yes, I think I probably should, too. Also templates are guaranteed to inline, which {.inline.} isn't, iirc. Thanks
10:30:37PMunchYeah, templates are inlined by the Nim compiler the {.inline.} pragma is just a hint to the C compiler
10:30:56PMunchThat being said if it isn't inlined it's because the C compiler deems it a performance loss to do so
10:32:36FromDiscord_<Generic> I thought the inline pragma was performed by the nim compiler, to allow for cross module inlining outside of lto
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10:37:14FromDiscord_<Generic> I see, the inline function is copied into each generated C file as a separate function annotated as inline
10:38:17FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> Yep, I guess that leaves the c/c++ compiler to choose wether it’s better or not
10:40:33FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> Trying the exercism mentor assist function so don’t answer me on here.
10:44:22FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> for the next challenge I am going to prototype in Python then encode it in nim afterwards, see if that makes it less sweat
10:53:00FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> From a philosophical perspective the idea that unit testing is the One Way to develop seems come from an established ethos that coding is difficult. And it is mostly (before the rise of scripting showed us differently). But self-testing is also a form of onanistic conceit. Better to get your conciseness, model and algorithm right, and place any spare chips on that aspect of the craft. Because coding isn’t an
10:53:00FromGitter... endless succession of input => correct_output
10:53:45FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> Or if it was I would immediately change careers.
10:54:00FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> http://claysnow.co.uk/recycling-tests-in-tdd/
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10:58:01FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> Perhaps I am still traumatised by sharing an office with kids far younger than me back in 2010, who placed a Darth Vader meme passively aggressively over my desks: “I find your lack of tests disturbing”. I thought, “who the fuck are you to advise me, when I have more years experience in code than you have had on earth. They got me fired a few months later.” On the plus side, I learned heaps of linux lore
10:58:01FromGitter... from those twats which I now realise is the only way to get it, i.e. from working with other geeks.
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11:02:17FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> jorjun_twitter: prototyping in python is not worth it imo, nim is already very clean
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11:12:14FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> @Recruit_main707 yes, I find it clean. It is me that is at fault for being oblivious about types and focussing only on rapid evolution of an algorithm. Being forced to think about architecture is a good discipline. I am at that steep part of the learning curve. But going on the faith that I will be able to craft in nim without feeling as if I am also trying to construct a c-program underneath it all..
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11:23:01livcdI think prototyping is worth it if you rely on certain set of libraries that are not there yet for Nim
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12:10:30dom96https://i.imgur.com/y6vrNeE.png
12:10:44dom96Close enough :)
12:11:05dom96(gamelight font rendering JS vs. SDL for the same code)
12:12:26PMunchThat's pretty good
12:12:30PMunchNot perfect of course
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12:25:43FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> Can someone give me an example on how i would use a C++ lib in Nim?
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12:38:21Araqok, I did it, got --gc:orc to win the havlak benchmark
12:38:42Araq1.0s for --gc:orc, 1.4s for boehm/refc/markAndSweep
12:38:55Araq0.7s for --gc:arc
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12:45:00dom96what is orc?
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12:49:15FromDiscord_<Technicae Circuit> :p
12:49:38Araqdom96: arc + a cycle collector
12:50:29Araq(so that nobody has to patch async, yay...)
12:50:45inv2004Hello, everything is perfect with nim, except my small question :) Q: t.addColumn[int]("aaa") does not work - it says error in 2nd param, but addColumn[int](t, "aaa") work perfect. Are where any workaround I can apply?
12:51:20dom96Araq, awesome. Does it work with async already?
12:51:25FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> yes, you should write [:int]
12:51:44FromDiscord_<Rika> ive been beat
12:51:57Araqdom96: haven't tried but lots of GC tests are still red too
12:51:57FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> learned from the best one
12:52:42Araqdom96: I wanted to ensure I can meet my arbitrary performance requirements before continuing and the performance it ok
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12:56:00FromDiscord_<Rika> small thought i just had, why is it "case of" rather than the more "conventional" "switch case"
12:56:06FromDiscord_<Rika> in nim
12:56:55inv2004^^^ sorry, looks like my fault with string/cstring conversion
12:59:32FromDiscord_<Rika> inv2004: what do you mean your fauly?
12:59:44Zevvwow orc wins, that's pretty sweet!
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13:03:54AraqRika: because it's less to type and felt cleaner to a non-native English speaker
13:05:47FromDiscord_<exelotl> pascal uses case of too
13:05:50FromDiscord_<Rika> hmm, i see, was just wondering
13:05:59FromDiscord_<Rika> ah so we arent the only ones
13:06:21Araqyeah the Pascal family uses 'case' indeed
13:06:41FromDiscord_<exelotl> I quite like their syntax https://castle-engine.io/modern_pascal_introduction.html#_testing_single_expression_for_multiple_values_case
13:08:14skrylar[m]hoi
13:09:13FromDiscord_<Rika> hoi!
13:09:30skrylar[m]i see dom is also doing type related things
13:09:47skrylar[m]hoping to get the non-richtext renderer done today x.x
13:10:02inv2004no, cstring does not matter :( t.addColumn[int]("aaa") proc addColumn[T](t: var K; name: string) \n first type mismatch at position: 2\n missing parameter: name
13:12:36FromDiscord_<Rika> we told you what to do already]
13:12:46FromDiscord_<Rika> `t.addColumn[:int]("aaa")` add the colon here
13:16:17skrylar[m]is --gendeps intended to take the full time to compile a module but not actually write the result to output :eyes:
13:16:47skrylar[m]i get the depfile but it doesn't also spit out the executable
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13:22:04inv2004[:T] from telegram - solved :)
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13:57:09ZevvSo next thing we know Nim itself will run on orc as well
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14:41:20FromDiscord_<treeform> dom96, can I get your font with "!!" missing? I did fix an issue for things missing. But it looks like it made !! in your font vanish. Fonts are really complex some times.
14:45:11dom96hey treeform, sure
14:45:16dom96let me open discord and send it to you
14:48:14dom96sent
14:48:32FromDiscord_<treeform> thanks
14:49:00disrupteki think it was leorize.
14:49:16disruptekthe doofus who told me i shouldn't use radeonsi.
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15:01:58FromDiscord_<kodkuce> i wnated to try that tabnine, do i have to enable nim default plugin too or what
15:03:42disrupteki thought it was pay-to-play.
15:05:05zacharycarterit was
15:05:25zacharycarterI'm still having trouble getting nim-lsp to play nice with kakoune
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15:09:18PMunchWhat's the issue
15:12:23zacharycarterI probably have something configured incorrectly because I know Solitude uses kak with lsp
15:12:30zacharycarterbut jump to definition isn't working for me or references etc
15:12:46solitudesfdo they never work?
15:12:59zacharycarternope never even in the same local file
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15:14:40zacharycarterI saw your dotfiles on github Solitude so I probably need to take a closer look at them and see what the difference is between my kakrc and yours
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15:27:34FromDiscord_<CoolMan> What would happen if I tried to create more threads than maxthreadpoolsize?
15:29:58disrupteklet's just say i wouldn't want to be in the same room.
15:30:55FromDiscord_<CoolMan> Would anything bad happen if I just set MaxThreadPoolSize to something very high
15:31:15disruptekyou know what's really high right now?
15:31:25disruptek👍this guy👍
15:31:44zacharycarter:D
15:32:00solitudesfstop abusing substances and turn on the stream
15:32:10zacharycarteror turn on the stream while you abuse substances
15:32:15zacharycarterI'm not picky
15:32:34disrupteki'm not sure obs can actually capture video yet.
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15:33:47disruptekalso i don't have a web browser.
15:33:56zacharycarterwhat happened to it?
15:34:06disruptekit just fucked right off.
15:34:16zacharycarterhate it when they do that
15:34:22disrupteki think maybe it's on my old video card.
15:34:30zacharycartersneaky web browser
15:35:04disruptek$ chromium --new-window 4760ms  11:34
15:35:06disruptekOpening in existing browser session.
15:35:23disruptekis it me?
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15:35:31zacharycarteryes
15:35:35zacharycarterno
15:35:39zacharycarterpossibly
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16:01:05inv2004C: header.h
16:01:05inv2004typedef struct{unsigned char g[16];}U;
16:01:05inv2004function: K ku(U);
16:01:05inv2004Nim:
16:01:05inv2004GUID* = array[16, byte]
16:01:06inv2004proc ku*(x: GUID): K0 {. importc: "ku", header: "header.h".}
16:01:08inv2004trying to call ku(GUID), but compilation fails during compilation into C:
16:01:10inv2004incompatible type for argument 1 of ‘ku’
16:01:12inv2004expected ‘U {aka struct <anonymous>}’ but argument is of type ‘NU8 * {aka unsigned char *}’
16:01:27inv2004ogm sorry, did not expect it from copy-paste
16:02:11FromDiscord_<Yardanico> @kodkuce I use it with the Nim plugin together and it actually works pretty good. TabNine sometimes really helps when you need you type quite a lot of similar code, or it can predict what you want to write by the previous lines and stuff. I've been using the free version
16:02:44inv2004Telegram pointed that nim force for pass the array by pointer, but are there any way to pass it like value?
16:03:01FromDiscord_<Rika> inv2004 try `cuchar` instead of `byte` i think
16:03:14FromDiscord_<Rika> i have no clue tbh
16:04:06inv2004Rika, it did not help
16:04:48FromDiscord_<Rika> > i have no clue tbh
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16:21:15skrylar[m]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/239881657908330499/704004089372999680/unknown.png woo. now to add the prettier linebreaker
16:29:37FromDiscord_<dom96> Working on a new leaderboard
16:29:37FromDiscord_<dom96> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/704006282369040471/unknown.png
16:30:11FromDiscord_<Rika> io game :ThonkDumb:
16:30:53FromDiscord_<dom96> io games are the best 😄
16:32:51Prestigedom96: written in nim?
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16:34:22dom96of course
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16:36:27iwsmemory access question: I am trying to use SDL2/Audio and in the example the outputbuffer is set up with `var outputBuffer = allocShred(nBytesPerSample)`
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16:37:03iwsI have a sequence I want to write inot that shared buffer before handing to the queueAudio() call
16:37:13iwsHow could that be done?
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16:39:09zacharycarter`addr seq[0]`?
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16:42:56iwsThat would give me the pointer to the value at seq[0] right? But in this case I want to write to some byte x inside the outputBuffer (which is a poitner to something?)
16:43:19iwshttps://github.com/nim-lang/sdl2/blob/master/examples/sdl_audiostream.nim Line 111->116 is what I was trying to replicate
16:43:35iwsbut with my data coming from a seq[int] instead of a stream
16:45:14zacharycarterjust try what I suggested
16:45:29iwsI did, but I have syntax errors abound
16:45:44zacharycarter`queueAudio(addr seq[0], len(seq) * sizeof(seq_datatype))
16:46:00FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> can you edit an openarray?
16:46:03iwsOh I see!
16:46:07Yardanico@Recruit yes
16:46:14Yardanicoif you pass it as "var openArray[...]"
16:46:35FromDiscord_<Recruit_main707> ok, forgot about var
16:48:22iwszacharycarter: That works great! Thanks a ton
16:48:32iwsI understand what's going on now, that's much clearer
16:48:35zacharycarternp
16:48:58iwsthe only couple differeces were type issues
16:49:04iws`device.queueAudio(unsafeAddr wave[0], uint32(len(wave) * sizeof(int)))` wound up with that
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16:50:58zacharycarterlooks good
16:52:56zacharycarterI'm running into a EXC_BAD_ACCESS signal here - https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/excpt.nim#L114 - at the end of my thread func's execution
16:53:11zacharycartercan't figure out why :/
16:53:28FromDiscord_<Varriount> zacharycarter: Are you using arc?
16:53:38zacharycarteryeah with `--exceptions:setjmp`
16:54:09FromDiscord_<Varriount> Are you getting a stack trace?
16:54:16zacharycarteryeah but it's not very helpful
16:54:19Yardanicouh guys I'll restart the FromDiscord bot now coz I accidentally made a public paste with the token (so I'll recreate it), expect a few mins of downtime for the FromDiscord here, sorry for the inconvenience
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16:55:01FromDiscord<Varriount> Yardanico: You've doomed us all
16:55:03Yardanicodone
16:55:38FromDiscord<Varriount> zacharycarter: What's the trace?
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16:57:15zacharyc1rterwhoops killed my tmux session I think
16:59:04zacharyc1rterVarriount: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jGU - are the top three frames of the stack trace
16:59:24zacharyc1rterthe middle frame is the last line of my thread func
16:59:43zacharyc1rterwhere I make a call to another proc that calls `mnunmap` and that call returns with a zero exit code
17:00:23zacharyc1rterif I remove that call, the program exits after I call joinThreads. If I keep that call present it hangs and this EXC_BAD_ACCESS signal occurs
17:02:53leorizedid you unmap some of Nim's memory?
17:03:58zacharyc1rterno I unmapped some memory I previous mapped with `mmap` / `mprotect`
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17:24:21FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> can you use "in" with a seq?
17:24:48FromDiscord<Varriount> Yes
17:25:01FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> with sequtils right?
17:25:15FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> oh, it now works
17:25:30FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> i swear it said it didnt work before :p
17:26:34FromDiscord<Varriount> zacharycarter: I'd modify the pop safepoint code to print out the value of excHandler.prev
17:26:46FromDiscord<Varriount> *excHandler
17:26:57FromDiscord<Rika> @Recruit_main707 no need even, its from `system`
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17:29:17zacharyc1rterhmm this one is pretty easy to reproduce - https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jHa
17:29:58zacharyc1rterasan is not happy
17:35:02Yardanico@Recruit_main707 it's easy to check if you can use "in" for some type - search for "contains" for that type
17:35:23Yardanicoif a type has proc contains*(a: MyType): bool defined it'll be used by "in" and "notin"
17:36:23FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> hmm arc being slower than the default gc....
17:36:30Yardanicocode?
17:36:51FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jHh
17:36:55Yardanicoand it's not always supposed to be faster (at least yet), it's much newer than default GC which has been around for years :P
17:37:33Yardanico@Recruit it's actually faster for me with --gc:arc lol
17:37:49Yardanicoon the last cpuTime it's 4s for --gc:arc vs 5s for default gc
17:37:55FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> which leads to the second question, how the hell is python doing that in under 1 second (the biggest array/seq
17:37:57Yardanico(I'm on latest devel and compiled with -d:danger)
17:38:10Yardanicocan you show python code?
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17:39:15FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jHj <- python code
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17:40:19FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> also, on my machine last cpuTime takes 20 seconds lol
17:40:38FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> (with arc -d:danger)
17:42:08Yardanicohttps://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jHk that's faster for me
17:42:11Yardanicoaround 25%
17:42:32Yardanicoalso cpuTime isn't always what you want
17:44:36leorize[m]use std/monotimes for benchmark
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17:45:49FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> but still, nim being that slow compared to python...
17:46:23leorize[m]give me the benchmark in python and the same in nim :P
17:46:33leorize[m]and I'll see if I can beat python :P
17:47:22FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> on the last aray: `hyfix 0.16587833000000005`
17:47:22FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> i linked hyfix above
17:47:26FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> array*
17:47:53Yardanicowhat about the full code?
17:47:58Yardanicofull python script
17:48:02Yardanicowith actual benchmarking
17:48:59FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> What is the fastest C compiler that i should use with Nim?
17:49:09disruptekgcc
17:49:17leorizeclang is also decent nowadays
17:49:27disruptekmore codegen bugs, though.
17:49:37Yardanicodisruptek: clang is sometimes faster
17:49:42FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> gcc tends to be faster though iirc
17:49:54Yardanicoclang and gcc are the same for perf most of the time nowadays
17:50:06FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Okay then
17:50:08Yardanicohttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gcc-clang-3960x&num=1
17:50:09FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Thanks
17:52:40FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> _maybe_ its just my machine being slow
17:53:04FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> wait a sec
17:53:06Yardanicowell if you share full python script we might help
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17:56:45FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> leorize: what do you use for benchmarks?
17:58:39leorizestd/monotimes, that's one of the most accurate and low overhead timers in the stdlib
17:59:49FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> how would i use it?
18:00:12Yardanicothere are docs though?
18:00:12Yardanicohttps://nim-lang.org/docs/monotimes.html
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18:00:25Yardanicojust subtract one getMonoTime() from another
18:00:38FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> thx
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18:11:05zacharyc1rterhmm
18:11:51zacharyc1rterapparently here - https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/excpt.nim#L113-L114
18:11:58zacharyc1rter`excHandler` is undefined
18:12:33Yardanicohttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/excpt.nim#L62
18:13:16zacharyc1rterI put a breakpoint in lldb and turned off line mappings and when I try to print `p excHandler__rqLlY5bs9atDw2OXYqJEn` I get - `(lldb) p excHandler__rqLlY5bs9atDw2OXYqJEn5
18:13:19zacharyc1rtererror: use of undeclared identifier 'excHandler__rqLlY5bs9atDw2OXYqJEn5'`
18:13:22zacharyc1rtersorry
18:13:47zacharyc1rterI'll check out the generated C code to see what's wrong
18:16:05zacharyc1rteryeah, it's not generated hmm
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18:17:39Yardanicobut how did the code compile if it's not there
18:18:01zacharyc1rterhmm good question
18:18:07zacharyc1rtermaybe it's defined in another source file let me look
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18:22:25zacharyc1rterokay yeah my mistake I think I was just messing up the search string
18:22:34zacharyc1rterwhen I dereference it, I get -
18:22:44zacharyc1rtererror: Couldn't apply expression side effects : Couldn't dematerialize a result variable: couldn't read its memory
18:24:28zacharyc1rterand if I dereference it and print it's `prev` member property - error: supposed to interpret, but failed: Interpreter couldn't read from memory
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18:29:11zacharyc1rterI think those are lldb errors
18:29:53Yardanicobut is that variable even supposed to contain something meaningful if there's no exception in nim code happening currently?
18:30:18zacharyc1rterwell I'm getting an EXC_BAD_ACCESS error in lldb and my program just hangs when I run it
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19:12:41FromDiscord<CoolMan> How do I convert a char to byte or uint8?
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19:15:29Yardanicouint8(myvar)
19:16:03Yardanicohttps://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2jHW
19:16:28Yardanicothere's also "ord" to get an int value of a character
19:16:32Yardanico(or an enum value)
19:17:54FromDiscord<CoolMan> ty
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19:28:23disrupteki'm watching my stream from a couple days ago.
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19:38:26disruptekpretty damned boring.
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19:47:00FromGitter<Bennyelg> Dummie Question
19:47:29FromGitter<Bennyelg> I wrote nim backend but I dont want to use static pages but React
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19:47:54FromGitter<Bennyelg> How should I do it 👀😅
19:48:46Yardanicodo an api in nim and make your frontend call that api?
19:48:51YardanicoI mean rest api or whatever
19:49:34FromGitter<Bennyelg> Well so I need to understand when I should use the static pages and when is not enough since that what I thought
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19:49:49FromGitter<Bennyelg> But I still wany my logic will remain on Nim
19:49:55Yardanicoyes it'll still be in nim
19:50:19Yardanicoif you want to use react you will implement backend api in nim
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19:51:48FromGitter<Bennyelg> Which just return Jsons, but when called Ill cast to the relevant types, do the logic and put it via the dal
19:52:11Yardanicowell that's how it works, and it doesn't really have to be JSON, it can be anything you can decode on the frontend
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19:52:41Yardanicohttps://medium.com/free-code-camp/create-a-react-frontend-a-node-express-backend-and-connect-them-together-c5798926047c for example, but replace backend with nim
19:52:55FromGitter<Bennyelg> Thanks 😊
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20:33:45FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran why are you forking all those repos? :D
20:34:04Yardanicofor fusion maybe?
20:34:08Yardanicoidk
20:34:35FromGitter<Vindaar> hmm, maybe
20:36:07FromGitter<Vindaar> ahh, he's fixing some deprecated things
20:49:15FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> How do i make a webserver in Nim?
20:49:20FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Using the C side
20:51:21skrylar[m]hmm looks like this [expired] adobe patent for line breaking is a lot like the one optimized knuth plass one but with a depth limit stuck to it :curiou
20:51:24skrylar[m]* :curious:
20:52:04Yardanico@Technicae you mean the C (default) backend?
20:52:29Yardanicothe easiest choice would be to use jester or asynchttpserver (but it's a bit broken in 1.2.0 but it was fixed and will be in next 1.2 patch)
20:54:51FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> You and thanks
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21:47:01FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Can Nim be used to make mobile apps?
21:47:12FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> it can
21:47:15FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> If so, is it ideal?
21:47:28FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> i heard android is a bit painful
21:47:31FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Is it not recommended or something
21:47:33dom96ideal for what?
21:47:44FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Ideal for making android apps
21:47:50dom96obviously Swift is ideal for iOS and Java/Kotlin is ideal for Android
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21:48:09FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> ~~I totally am not thinking about making a custom mobile discord client~~
21:48:22FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> oof
21:48:28FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> I sadly can't figure out Kotlin or Java
21:48:41FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> you seem to just want to die based on your projects xD
21:48:47FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Hahaha
21:48:57FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> https://stallman.org/discord.html
21:49:05dom96There are hundreds of resources for how to make Android apps in Java
21:49:14dom96*hundreds of thousands probably
21:49:15companion_cubewhat's so bad about kotlin?
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21:49:25dom96For Nim there are like a dozen at most
21:49:36FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> I don't want to learn Java, and i like Kotlin as a lang
21:49:43FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> But can't figure out the deps system
21:49:54FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> I can't figure out maven or gradle with it
21:49:56dom96If you can't figure out Java or Kotlin then you will have a very hard time using Nim.
21:50:03FromDiscord<Generic> I have to correct you obvously Nim is idea for iOS and Nim is idea for Android
21:50:09FromDiscord<Generic> *ideal
21:50:12FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> I am a Python programmer mainly
21:50:17FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Cool
21:50:31FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> And Nim seems okay to me so far
21:50:45dom96I'm writing a game in Nim targeting mobile and web browsers, and it hasn't been easy :)
21:50:55FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Oof
21:51:01FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Goodluck though!
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21:51:50dom96If you're writing something that needs to target so many platforms then Nim may make sense, otherwise you're far better off sticking with what most use.
21:51:58dom96Unless your goal is to learn Nim or just have fun with it
21:52:21FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> I want to learn Nim and have fun with it so i guess my use case works
21:53:24FromDiscord<exelotl>
21:53:24FromDiscord<exelotl> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/704087763279937657/unknown.png
21:53:38FromDiscord<exelotl> why am i not surprised that this is the first point lmao
21:53:44dom96Then I would suggest something more fun than fighting with Android :P
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21:53:59FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> hello, is there a nice functional programming library i can use with nim?
21:54:14FromDiscord<Technicae Circuit> Haha
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21:58:02FromDiscord<exelotl> @__ابــــراهــــيــــم__ I'm reminded of the itertools port, though I guess it's not exactly functional programming https://github.com/narimiran/itertools
21:58:20FromDiscord<Varriount> rayman22201: So I looked at Rust's executor's and async, and I think they would work very well for Nim. I'm a bit puzzled by how the passed-in "wait" function works, since it would need some sort of reference to the task or top-level callback, which would create a circular reference ( wait -> task -> async future chain -> ... )
21:58:56FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> @exelotl nice! ill have a look. do you think i can bind this library to nim? https://github.com/Dobiasd/FunctionalPlus/
21:59:52FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> why do you want clear c++ code in nim though :P
22:00:46FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> sorry, my idea may be weird, i want to learn functional programming and i want to use nim. please no haskel :P
22:01:33FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> doesnt nim work as a functional language without much fuss?
22:02:47FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> i guess it does. i found an example in the nim in action book but there is only one
22:03:19FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> list.map()
22:03:25FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> whats functional programming?
22:03:42FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> something about pure functions
22:03:59FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> i trying to learn about it
22:04:03companion_cubewhat an annoying nickname
22:04:24FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> lol
22:04:28FromDiscord<exelotl> @__ابــــراهــــيــــم__ there are more functional helpers in the sequtils module in the standard library: https://nim-lang.org/docs/sequtils.html
22:04:35FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> me? :D
22:04:39companion_cubeyeah :p
22:04:44FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> lol
22:04:48FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> no latin characters are horrid
22:04:52companion_cubecan't even write it
22:04:58FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> it's arabic
22:04:59FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> its probably suuuuper long in irc
22:05:07FromDiscord<__ابــــراهــــيــــم__> omg really
22:05:20FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> *It's arabic*, yes that's why i said non lating 😄
22:05:21FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> `__ابــــراهــــيــــم__`something like this probably
22:05:23FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> latin*
22:05:39FromDiscord<irc-friendly-name> this better?
22:05:42FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> yes
22:05:46FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> xD
22:05:52FromDiscord<irc-friendly-name> xD
22:06:46FromDiscord<irc-friendly-name> @exelotl that's it !!! thank you so much
22:08:41FromDiscord<exelotl> np :)
22:08:44companion_cubeirc-friendly-name: heh :D
22:08:59companion_cubeI didn't see it as arabic, or rather, there's a ton of `_` in the middle
22:09:01FromDiscord<exelotl> lol it was pretty epic in my irc client
22:09:01FromDiscord<exelotl> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/704091691400822784/unknown.png
22:09:15companion_cubeahahah
22:09:37FromDiscord<irc-friendly-name> that's a crime in itself xD
22:09:43Araqhmm I invented a new GC algorithm, now what? who wants my paper?
22:10:26FromDiscord<irc-friendly-name> is it similar to ARC?
22:10:43companion_cubeAraq: there are conferences about that
22:11:16Araqirc-friendly-name: it's orthogonal to arc
22:12:11FromDiscord<irc-friendly-name> i dont understand GCs that deeply but it sounds amazing xD
22:12:24dom96Araq, actually, maybe you should do it :)
22:12:38companion_cubeugh, can't find anything
22:14:41Araqdom96: do what?
22:15:03dom96Araq, write a paper
22:15:38Araqmaybe later, better finish the GC I'm currently writing
22:17:36dom96also, your paper would be one of very few that actually have an implementation used in production
22:17:57dom96seems like many papers out there propose something and their implementation has bugs
22:23:08Araqwell the algorithm that I found isn't implemented anywhere yet, let alone "used in production"
22:23:27disrupteksounds fast.
22:24:04companion_cubea lot of papers have implementations I think
22:24:13dom96it will be, I trust in your algorithmic skills
22:24:15companion_cubee.g. if you look at the java GCs
22:26:46skrylar[m]https://www.beeflang.org/ wot
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22:29:39skrylar[m]well the append allocators are neat. for bolting on variadic bytes in the same alloc as the object
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22:32:29skrylar[m]seems a lot of people are interested in hcr these days
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22:42:27Araqskrylar[m]: yeah it's nicely done
22:43:34FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> My favourite thing about the beef lang is someone complaining about how the name is unethical
22:43:59FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> *side note, sorta wish i made it* 😄
22:44:41FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Complaint in question https://github.com/beefytech/Beef/issues/14
22:46:34krux02Interesting, I also just read about the beef language.
22:47:03skrylar[m]inb4 savage retort that they can just use v if they are vegetarians
22:48:17krux02If beef gets a compile time code execution path, they can call the subset of the language that works at compiletime tofu.
22:48:36skrylar[m]the hcr looks fancy but seems to be only if you use their ide. and append allocators are very yes. otherwise eh.. no macros, otherwise haxe syntax, meh.
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22:49:54krux02It is nice that beef comes with its own editor.
22:50:06krux02but also meh, I am so used to emacs now.
22:50:24krux02Mixed builds are cool though.
22:51:07Araqskrylar[m]: you can use an 'UncheckedArray' as the last field in an object to get a bit of the same as "append allocators"
22:52:35skrylar[m]yea you can also do similar things in C++; the allure is that it otherwise works with a normal constructor syntax
22:54:43Araqtried to make the compiler's ropes faster with this idea, no performance difference
22:55:10skrylar[m]eh. ropes aren't worth it. piece tables or death
22:55:19FromDiscord<Varriount> Araq: Is there any way to allocate an iterator closure's environment on the stack?
22:55:32FromDiscord<Varriount> Or within another iterator closure?
22:55:33Araqergo based on this experiment with a sample size of one it's not important and doesn't need sugar :P
22:56:15Araqvarriount: no
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22:59:53Araqgood night
23:03:06Araqdom96: --gc:orc works with async
23:04:31Araqand frees memory too, pretty good for a weekend of work
23:27:57FromDiscord<Skaruts> is there some way to allow optional parameters in a template that takes a block of code, without having to create a bunch of overloads?
23:28:07FromDiscord<Skaruts> for example, `template(x, y, z:int, a:A, b:B, c:C, code:untyped):untyped`
23:28:20FromDiscord<Skaruts> I want a, b and c to have default values
23:28:53FromDiscord<Varriount> Can you have variadic parameters?
23:29:21FromDiscord<Skaruts> hmm, can you remind me what variadic is?
23:29:36AraqSkaruts: no but we should have allowed default parameters for templates taking a single last 'untyped' block a long time ago...
23:29:48Araqplease write an RFC
23:30:02FromDiscord<Varriount> A variable number of arguments. `proc output(x: varargs[string])`
23:30:51FromDiscord<Skaruts> ah, no, they have different types
23:33:59FromDiscord<Skaruts> @Araq will do thanks
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23:39:02FromDiscord<Skaruts> @Araq, well, I never done an RFC before though, and I have no knowledge of how to implement such a thing, can I leave blank sections in the RFC?
23:40:19FromDiscord<Skaruts> I also don't have much to say about it, though I have one real use case
23:44:20FromDiscord<Varriount> Skaruts: Just explain the problem, the proposed solution, pros, cons, alternatives, etc
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